Tools from the old world

[Mr MoAiZo]

Those Witte keys look like they are made by HaFu (http://www.hafu.de/index.php?lang=en).
But I am not sure...

By the way, Stahlgruber has an interesting 30 piece 1/4" Hazet box for 69€ + VAT.
It contains a 1/4" ratchet, 1/4" bit holder, 55mm 1/4" extension, 1/4" 6-point sockets from 5-13mm, torx E5-E10, torx T10-T40, hex 5-8mm, PH1 and PH2.
I only saw the box. I think the number is 855-2.

 

[Monte]

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Do you have a link for Storm tools ?

I've been using the SFH to drill some 1/2in holes in solid cinder blocks to install railings and other stuff for the past two days. I was surprised how well it works for a cordless. I would love to have one of Hilti's TE rotary hammer drills, the same coworker who got me hooked has a TE 7-C. I just don't drill concrete often enough to warrant buying one. Who knows though, if I have a bunch of concrete projects lined up in the future I would really consider a picking up a cordless TE-4

ah ok i thought you need the tools for your profession so it would be reasonable to buy a cordless rotary hammer. But for just a few holes a good percussion drill combined with good drill bits works too.

Maybe I have to stop by Sears then, hopefully they have more Knipex pliers than before. Chadstoolbox has been a godsend for me. That website sells all kinds of goodness from Germany and a few other European tool companies. That is where I buy Knipex and NWS pliers from, they sell the entire catalogues for both companies along with Stahlwhile, Felo, Hazet, Wera, Wiha and more!

yeah they have a lot, but i heard some bad stories about delivery time, but well, with patience you can reach every goal

I love the Hilti box! When I bought the impact, Hilti's website only sold the kit with a carry bag. While its a robust bag, I was more inclined towards a hard case instead. The hammer drill kit gave me an option for the bag or a hard case so I went with the hard case. What I didn't know is that the hard case also had slots for the impact and could carry all 4 batteries that I had so I was really happy about that . If that wasn't the case I would have bought a hard case for the impact. The only con with the hard case is there is no room to store bits with the impact and batteries. I can fit the Wera bit-check and some of the Felo bit boxes but that is it. Not to big of a deal though, that is what the Facom tool bag is for

i thought i could sell you a L-Boxx or Systainer but it seems you´re happy i like the idea that you can store two tools and even 4 batteries inside ! Usually there is only space for one tool and 2 batts....time to upgrade to Hilti !

I've been pressured to buy the jacket by coworkers and friends, I wear soft shell jackets just like that style all the time, and the heating element would be perfect to keep me warm when driving the backhoe and Zamboni at work .

luckily christmas is soon

Chadstoolbox has a promo sale on a ergonic screwdriver set so I picked up a set or two...

nice ! one set slotted/PH the other slotted/PZ or the same ?

this one is on my wish list:

I´ve been a little sceptical to all the cordless tools, but my Bosch Li-Ion 10,8-2 drill has in a way changed my mind. There can be weeks in between I use it, but it holds the charge, and has nice capacity, the size taken in mind. So nice that they continue the "small" 10,8 V line.

yeah i think they´re awesome. So light and small yet powerful for it´s size. I´m pretty happy with the GSR and the GDR is nice too. And (at least) the naked tools without batteries have reasonable street prices. The small recip saw is on my wish list for garden work and i´d like to have the metal shear for metal/car body work/repair one day.

Off topic, but short story: Volvo bought the car division from dutch DAF. The "infinite gear" DAFs 66 were transformed to the Volvo 340/360 series. Later the 440/460/480 FWD series were build in Holland. Japanese Mitsubishi needed a European plant for car production (EU import taxes), the "Nedcar" company formed together with Volvo. Mitsubishi Carisma and Volvo V40/S40 shared the chassis platform. Ford aquires Volvo Cars, the cooperation with Mitsubishi stops, Nedcars splits. Volvo announces in adds "Now we are "all premium"" - meening "All made in Sweden"*. I know Dutch build Volvos had a lower status in the dealership, i cant tell if it was due to lower quality or the Renault drivelines used in these cars. The Volvo dealers maybe just were too snobbish to sell affordable Volvos...
*) But many premium Volvos were, and still are, build in Belgium and Canada.

Didn´t know about that... i always thought they´re made in sweden... I know some Volvos come with a VW/Audi engine though ...btw. what about Saab ?? Chinese now ?














Bosch L-Boxx with tools:



...and the new stationary home for the driver...:


....and impact:

 

[nanofrog]

btw. what about Saab ?? Chinese now ?

Sort of.

Different parts are owned by different companies, but the auto manufacturing, tooling, and factory has been licensed/sold to National Electric Vehicle Sweden AB (NEVS), which is a Swedish Holding Co., and though the CEO is Swedish, it's financial backers are 100% Chinese (78% private, 22% public). Other parts are owned by Scania AB and Sweden's National Debt Office (gov't).

NEVS acquisition/licensing of Saab Automobile Powertrain AB, Saab Tools AB, and the factory in Trollhättan (wiki).
NEVS Company history (wiki).

 

[CanUK]

A couple of recent gifts....

I finally joined the Wera Advent calendar club. Last year's I think, but I don't mind (about half the price):

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French-made Britool hard handle screwdrivers. I'm not a huge hard-handle fan, but these are pretty nice. The PZ2 tip is an even better fit than (dare I say it here) my Wihas (which I love). Not sure if it shows, but the Philips are actually dark green.

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[Lasu]

Torx T -handle recommendations? i need some high quality T 20 , 25 , 27 , 30
About 150mm long and maybe rubber coated handle + good warranty if the handle breaks.

felo,is this good, and made in germany?
wiha, plastic handle , is stihl t27 made by wiha ?
bondhus ?

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

Torx T -handle recommendations? i need some high quality T 20 , 25 , 27 , 30
About 150mm long and maybe rubber coated handle + good warranty if the handle breaks.

felo,is this good, and made in germany?
wiha, plastic handle , is stihl t27 made by wiha ?
bondhus ?

I own a set of Wiha and a set of Bondhus Hex handle keys.
I prefer the Bondhus. They seem bulletproof.

 

[handtools-from-germany]

Here are one of my favorite Hazet Screwdriver sets:

Contents:

Ergonomically shaped 3-component handle allows high power transmission

Suface: blade matt chrome-plated, tip burnished


Consisting of 3 screwdriver sets:
810 SPC/6, contents:
K 0.5 x 3.0 x 80 0.8 x 4.0 x 100 1.0 x 5.5 x 125 1.2 x 6.5 x 150 mm
L PH 1 (80 mm) PH 2 (100 mm)

810 T SPC/6, contents:
N T 10 T 15 T 20 T 25 T 27 T 30

810 SPC/4, contents:
N T 6 T 7 T 8 T 9

 

[BJ42LX]

810 SPC/6, contents:
K 0.5 x 3.0 x 80 0.8 x 4.0 x 100 1.0 x 5.5 x 125 1.2 x 6.5 x 150 mm
L PH 1 (80 mm) PH 2 (100 mm)

Wonderful Hazet set.

However, it drives me nuts (Ha! A pun!) that manufacturers don't put a PH3 in ther set. Madness I say!

 

[Lasu]

@ Mr MoAiZo

Yep, the Bondhus prohold's looks really comfortable and solid steel handles + welded joint.

 

[dutch79]

New Hazet website in English is also available now: http://www.hazet.de/index.php?id=169

 

[Monte]

Sort of.

Different parts are owned by different companies, but the auto manufacturing, tooling, and factory has been licensed/sold to National Electric Vehicle Sweden AB (NEVS), which is a Swedish Holding Co., and though the CEO is Swedish, it's financial backers are 100% Chinese (78% private, 22% public). Other parts are owned by Scania AB and Sweden's National Debt Office (gov't).

NEVS acquisition/licensing of Saab Automobile Powertrain AB, Saab Tools AB, and the factory in Trollhättan (wiki).
NEVS Company history (wiki).

Thanks for the info ! The last news i heard was that the chinese bought them but didn´t look deeper. You barely see Saab over here anymore....In the past they had a good reputation though....

Torx T -handle recommendations? i need some high quality T 20 , 25 , 27 , 30
About 150mm long and maybe rubber coated handle + good warranty if the handle breaks.

felo,is this good, and made in germany?
wiha, plastic handle , is stihl t27 made by wiha ?
bondhus ?

I have the Wiha set as hex version and a Hafu torx and hex set. They´re comfortable and the fitment is good. I tried the Bondhus in a store but i don´t like the slim handles. I would choose Wiha.












made a video of the Bosch 10,8 volt screwdriver:

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[nanofrog]

Thanks for the info ! The last news i heard was that the chinese bought them but didn´t look deeper. You barely see Saab over here anymore....In the past they had a good reputation though....

They're supposed to have started with a petrol version of the 9-3 this year, but I don't think it's actually being manufactured yet (in volume), or if it's for a specific market (they were looking to Chrysler for the drive train, but haven't seen any updates, so may have fallen through).

Their big splash is intended to be an EV version of the 9-3 due out 2014. So you might begin to see new SAAB's about the roads in the next year or two (figuring for a late 2014/early - mid 2015 release).

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Torx T -handle recommendations? i need some high quality T 20 , 25 , 27 , 30
About 150mm long and maybe rubber coated handle + good warranty if the handle breaks.

felo,is this good, and made in germany?
wiha, plastic handle , is stihl t27 made by wiha ?
bondhus ?

Wiha with the red handles. I have some a they're great.

 

[Beenman]

Dang, even though I've been on here for weeks now, I've only discovered this thread last night, and then sat here until 02h30 reading through some of the posts.

Below some of my meager "old world" possessions.

First off from Grermany. 8-54Nm torque wrench from Knipex - in VDE spec:

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Pliers:

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First one is a needle nose from Knipex.

Second one is a Will in VDE spec. Will is a South African company though, so I am surprised this one is made in Germany. The toughest SOB of a tool I ever came across was my dad's, SA made, Will fencing pliers - it could crush kryptonite! I hope this German made one can live up to its reputation...

Last one with the green handles is a "Meister". I assume its German from the name, but it does not say Made in Germany, and I can find no details on this brand on the web. Perhaps someone here can shed some light...

 

[Beenman]

More from Germany.

Spanners:

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Top one is a Hazet 450, middle one is Stahlwille and bottom one is Elora. The Stahlwille impresses me. Being in the brake industry I use a flare nut wrench often - other makes of flare nut wrenches open up with minimal use, but the Stahlwille is tough as nails.

These sockets say "Made in Germany", but have no brand markings?

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USAG combination spanner from Italy:

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Baiter file from Switzerland, and Bahco screwdriver from Sweden:

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From Stanley in Belgium:

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[Beenman]

From England (some of the world's best tools use to come from here).

Footprint tin snips:

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Starrett internal micrometer set (gift from my Brother):

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[Beenman]

More from England.

Thickness gauge from Chesterman Sheffield:

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Scribe and engineer's square:

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Scribe is an Eclipse and the engineer's square is from Moore & Wright.

 

[Beenman]

And for good measure, some Japanese tools.

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Pliers are Topman (not Japan's finest tool mind you). Toho Koki shifting spanner, Mitutoyo micrometer (which I picked up for $1) and Shinwa steel ruler.

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Mitutoyo dial gauge.

The rest of my tools are all USA or South African made, with a few odd Taiwanese pieces.

 

[mr_jack]

My first NWS pliers (3 in 1 multicutter), to replace the Knipex regular wire stripper I recently bought

The normal version was not available at the local supplier, so I just bought the VDE.

The color/finish is different from the 2013-catalog. Not sure why that is.
Partnumber probably changed from xxxx-69-*** to xxxx-49-***..?

Congrats for the new pliers! Strange, I haven't see that 69 VDE finish either ...

 

[Krokodil]

Beenman, Will is not a South African company. They only produce under license here. Same with Gedore and Wera.

 

[Roverbo]

Nice tools Bhae, are the made in Italy Storm tools new or NOS? Only Storm tools i´ve seen was asian imort tools from a US dealer.

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Didn´t know about that... i always thought they´re made in sweden... I know some Volvos come with a VW/Audi engine though ...btw. what about Saab ?? Chinese now ?

Yes, some 80´s and 90´s Volvos had the VW/Audi diesel (pump type). The demand for diesels at that time wasn´t so big, since Volvos primary markets are sweden and the US (Both petrolhead nations). Later in the end-90´s when the demand for diesels was growing, they developed their own diesel, the "D5", straight five cylinder, with first 163, then 185 and now 215 hp. This year, they introduce new engines in all their models. Like BMW, its at modular engine, all are 4-cylinder, diesel or petrol, app. 2,0 liters, ranging from 125 to 250 hp. Different powers achieved with different software and turbos and/or compressors (superchargers). The former "luxury" 5-cylinder, 2,5 l. engines from the Skövde plant are soon history... Impressive, though, that it´s possible to get so much power from todays small engines.

Sort of.

Different parts are owned by different companies, but the auto manufacturing, tooling, and factory has been licensed/sold to National Electric Vehicle Sweden AB (NEVS), which is a Swedish Holding Co., and though the CEO is Swedish, it's financial backers are 100% Chinese (78% private, 22% public). Other parts are owned by Scania AB and Sweden's National Debt Office (gov't).

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Will be exiting too see, if it´s possible to sell a basically 10 year old model with new components... I´ve read in swedish newspapers, that they plan to start with some thousand unfinished 9.3´s, since it will be too expensive to start the chassis factory.

A couple of recent gifts....

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French-made Britool hard handle screwdrivers. I'm not a huge hard-handle fan, but these are pretty nice. The PZ2 tip is an even better fit than (dare I say it here) my Wihas (which I love). Not sure if it shows, but the Philips are actually dark green....

Nice Britools! Wish I could find them here in Denmark.

More from England.

Thickness gauge from Chesterman Sheffield:

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Scribe and engineer's square:

...
Scribe is an Eclipse and the engineer's square is from Moore & Wright.

Very nice english tools.

 

[CanUK]

Nice Britools! Wish I could find them here in Denmark.

I'm not particularly impressed with the seller, but they do ship to Denmark:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRITOOL-U...t=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item54002b0318

 

[Monte]

They're supposed to have started with a petrol version of the 9-3 this year, but I don't think it's actually being manufactured yet (in volume), or if it's for a specific market (they were looking to Chrysler for the drive train, but haven't seen any updates, so may have fallen through).

Their big splash is intended to be an EV version of the 9-3 due out 2014. So you might begin to see new SAAB's about the roads in the next year or two (figuring for a late 2014/early - mid 2015 release).

i hope it works out for them because the uniformity on the streets here is kind of boring...

Dang, even though I've been on here for weeks now, I've only discovered this thread last night, and then sat here until 02h30 reading through some of the posts

welcome to this thread

Last one with the green handles is a "Meister". I assume its German from the name, but it does not say Made in Germany, and I can find no details on this brand on the web. Perhaps someone here can shed some light...

Meister is a german brand who offers mostly imported tools for the DIY user.
www.meister-werkzeuge.de

Question: What are your current recommendations for a 1/2" drive reversible torque wrench (10-50 Newton Meters or so)? Share with us your experiences--what you like and perhaps also do not like concerning your selection of this kind of tool.

check out Gedore for a good price/performance ratio. The smaller wrenches usually come with 1/4" or 3/8" drive though.

Yes, some 80´s and 90´s Volvos had the VW/Audi diesel (pump type). The demand for diesels at that time wasn´t so big, since Volvos primary markets are sweden and the US (Both petrolhead nations). Later in the end-90´s when the demand for diesels was growing, they developed their own diesel, the "D5", straight five cylinder, with first 163, then 185 and now 215 hp. This year, they introduce new engines in all their models. Like BMW, its at modular engine, all are 4-cylinder, diesel or petrol, app. 2,0 liters, ranging from 125 to 250 hp. Different powers achieved with different software and turbos and/or compressors (superchargers). The former "luxury" 5-cylinder, 2,5 l. engines from the Skövde plant are soon history... Impressive, though, that it´s possible to get so much power from todays small engines.

Just read that 94% of sold Volvos in 2012 in Germany were Diesels...
Sometimes it´s quite interesting which motors you can find in other cars or which cars are based on each other from other "manufacturers", in case of the diesel Volvo it´s good to know where the engine is from since the VW parts are like 50% or so cheaper













Wiha advent calender "door" 1 (actually a small box with the content)

 

[LeGarage]

My first NWS pliers (3 in 1 multicutter), to replace the Knipex regular wire stripper I recently bought

The normal version was not available at the local supplier, so I just bought the VDE.

The color/finish is different from the 2013-catalog. Not sure why that is.
Partnumber probably changed from xxxx-69-*** to xxxx-49-***..?

Where do you buy NWS in The Netherlands?

 

[upgrading]

Wiha advent calender "door" 1 (actually a small box with the content)

Please keep us informed how much COO= SROV stuff is in it.

 

[morregerbert]

made a separate thread about this puller already, so just one picture here.
kukko 20-5
any of you german guys here happen to know list price for this puller??
or maybe anybody got a full price list for kukko tools??
also my little collection of ball joint separators, missing 2 out of full set
kukko 128-1
128-2
128-5

 

[Beenman]

Meister is a german brand who offers mostly imported tools for the DIY user.
www.meister-werkzeuge.de

Thanks, that's the one. I recognize the crown logo that I saw on my pliers.

PS. Only on page 25 of this thread now - have a long way to go.

 

[Roverbo]

They're supposed to have started with a petrol version of the 9-3 this year, but I don't think it's actually being manufactured yet (in volume), or if it's for a specific market (they were looking to Chrysler for the drive train, but haven't seen any updates, so may have fallen through).

Their big splash is intended to be an EV version of the 9-3 due out 2014. So you might begin to see new SAAB's about the roads in the next year or two (figuring for a late 2014/early - mid 2015 release).

Funny thing, just 1 hour since the first Saab 9.3 rolled of the assembly band on national swedish television! They didnt mention anything about the driveline, except is was a petrol version. Just a 15 sec. clip with the chinese CEO and the swedish minister of trade.

 

[shoturtle]

Wera last year, wiha this year. Nice.

i hope it works out for them because the uniformity on the streets here is kind of boring...

welcome to this thread

Meister is a german brand who offers mostly imported tools for the DIY user.
www.meister-werkzeuge.de


check out Gedore for a good price/performance ratio. The smaller wrenches usually come with 1/4" or 3/8" drive though.

Just read that 94% of sold Volvos in 2012 in Germany were Diesels...
Sometimes it´s quite interesting which motors you can find in other cars or which cars are based on each other from other "manufacturers", in case of the diesel Volvo it´s good to know where the engine is from since the VW parts are like 50% or so cheaper













Wiha advent calender "door" 1 (actually a small box with the content)

 

[Monte]

Please keep us informed how much COO= SROV stuff is in it.

it started good

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Thanks, that's the one. I recognize the crown logo that I saw on my pliers.

PS. Only on page 25 of this thread now - have a long way to go.

853 pages .... have fun

Wera last year, wiha this year. Nice.

i thought that too
the price/performance ratio is better with the Wiha calender i think.











day 2 door 2: a tiny hex key

 

[nanofrog]

Funny thing, just 1 hour since the first Saab 9.3 rolled of the assembly band on national swedish television! They didnt mention anything about the driveline, except is was a petrol version. Just a 15 sec. clip with the chinese CEO and the swedish minister of trade.

Did they show the entire line, or just one car w/ people mentioned standing around it?

I ask, as I know they've produced a prototype (not full production) of one under the current ownership/management, but hadn't spun up the entire factory in Trollhättan (cost reasons, as they weren't ready for full production last I saw).

 

[Roverbo]

Did they show the entire line, or just one car w/ people mentioned standing around it?

I ask, as I know they've produced a prototype (not full production) of one under the current ownership/management, but hadn't spun up the entire factory in Trollhättan (cost reasons, as they weren't ready for full production last I saw).

It was just a press event, where the minister cut a silky ribbon...you only saw one car, and they didn´t tell anything about the driveline, production etc.
As I mentioned earlier, they just put new drivelines into unfinished chassis from the stock, or thats´s what i´ve heard. In the last years Saab only produced around 25.000 cars/year, it´s very difficult to get at profit at such low numbers. So i guess it will be a tough start for the "new" Saab, with - say - 15.000 cars/year max., no real partners in engineering (most parts used to be GM), and one 10 year old model, even though they have chinese money behind them.

 

[dutch79]

Anyone with some specs or years of manufacturing of the Hazet 168N?

 

[Beenman]

I'm not sure if Sylvac (Switzerland) has been shown on this thread. I get to use these every day, sadly not in my own garage, but at work.

First the dial gauge:
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Has max/min, delta and tolerance functions (with a "go" "no-go" light). Tip is special hardened for extra durability. Measures to 0.001mm resolution. Very cool

Two micrometers (0-30mm and 30-66mm)
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The anvils are geared so that the shaft moves proportionally much quicker than on usual micrometers (much less frustrating), but it has a clutch to prevent under-reading or over tightening on the sensitive screw threads.

Vernier:
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The vernier is auto-on so you never have to switch it on before use. Just pick up and go. Switches off on its own after 20 mins.

I also have the USB proximity cables for all of them. That allows you to plug each unit directly to a PC and record and save multiple measurements for later use.

They also rate them IP67 which means they are water / oil proof and can handle being dropped a bit. Handy in my work environment....

 

[Miskin]

I'm not sure if Sylvac (Switzerland) has been shown on this thread. I get to use these every day, sadly not in my own garage, but at work.

Great measuring instruments!!
How do you compare with Mitutoyo? Have you ever worked with Mitutoyo?
I use only Mitutoyo (like you, only at work) and some old USSR micrometers and calipers. Never saw live a Sylvac or Starrett, Helios, etc. Sylvac seems some quality like Mitutoyo!

 

[Lasu]

@ monte

HaFu is probably good too ,http://hafu.de/torx#torxtorx.520-271-07 or 526 series , but hard to get here. I would have to buy directly from Germany.

USH Torx , German made bits are much harder and longer lasting.

 

[nanofrog]

It was just a press event, where the minister cut a silky ribbon...you only saw one car, and they didn´t tell anything about the driveline, production etc.
As I mentioned earlier, they just put new drivelines into unfinished chassis from the stock, or thats´s what i´ve heard. In the last years Saab only produced around 25.000 cars/year, it´s very difficult to get at profit at such low numbers. So i guess it will be a tough start for the "new" Saab, with - say - 15.000 cars/year max., no real partners in engineering (most parts used to be GM), and one 10 year old model, even though they have chinese money behind them.

Thanks.

In respect to the drivetrain, GM is out of it, and SAAB's new owners no longer have access to those systems. They got the body, related engineering (structural), and the factory. Not the engine, transmission, or electronic control systems needed for them to run, hence the negotiations with Chrysler.

Definitely a lot of unanswered questions IMHO, and makes me wonder if they'll really be able to make a real go of it, or if SAAB & it's parent, NEVS, will ultimately die off.

 

[bcradio]

Wera last year, wiha this year. Nice.

Haven't seen you in a while... glad you're back

I'll take me some Wiha.

 

[Nocturnal-G]

Haven't seen you in a while... glad you're back

I'll take me some Wiha.

+1, welcome back Shoturtle!

 

[Beenman]

Great measuring instruments!!
How do you compare with Mitutoyo? Have you ever worked with Mitutoyo?
I use only Mitutoyo (like you, only at work) and some old USSR micrometers and calipers. Never saw live a Sylvac or Starrett, Helios, etc. Sylvac seems some quality like Mitutoyo!

To be honest, I cannot really say which is better, Mitutoyo or Sylvac. The Sylvac's I use now has replaced old conventional Mitutoyo micrometers and a Compac dial gauge (also Swiss made). There was nothing wrong with these, it was just time for more modern equipment that has more functions and can connect to a PC.

If I had to put my money on one, I would say that Mitutoyo is perhaps the better instrument. But that is based purely on reputation, and by the fact that Mitutoyo is more expensive here.