ash95608
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The 1" is $59.99, and the 1.5" is $85.99
Tools from the old world
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The 1" is $59.99, and the 1.5" is $85.99
mr_jack
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And he said:
So I expect more ...
@ ash95608
There are some other brands you know ...
Coventry
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Hi all,
First post and I thought I'd put it in the old world thread. I've been reading some (!) of it and now have a burning desire to spend money I don't have.
So, thanks for that...
Here are some pictures comprising some of my hand tools. Most of these are from my father (and his father & father in law) and are ~30-50 years old I believe.
Tin snips are JW Ward, Sheffield. Pipe wrench is a Record 10, Made in England. Snips are Lindstrom, Sweden. Pliers are ----(can't make it out) Lucas, England. Long nose pliers are Teng, no COO. Water pump pliers are Lucas Cannock England.
First is a 1/2" breaker, ~30cm long. Unknown COO because I can't make out the stamp through the age-related marks on the shaft. Second is a Britool 3/4" breaker, ~45cm long, Made in England.
1/2" and 3/8" Britool extensions, Britool converter, T-bar and ratchet, all Made in England. Also a 1/2" extension marked Germany with an unusual train carriage symbol and 'VBW', anyone know this brand?
Anyone know the brand of this Japanese 10mm socket? Has an 'S' in a circle next to 'Japan'. Also, Kamasa 19mm, is it Swedish?
Britool and Gordon Sheffield spanners.
A little imperial set I made up recently from old spares in my Dad's garage. May come in handy one day. Sockets are 1/2" and all Britool. Spanners are mainly Britool with some King **** British Made, a TW Superslim Made in England and a Stahlwille Stabil Germany. The Stahlwille has something I've not seen stamped on other Stahlwille spanners before: 'Stronger than any bolt'. If only it were a 13mm: the open ended spanner test thread would be all over...
I'm slowly upgrading my other tools to better quality items like the above as they break/become lost. After reading this thread, next up are some Knipex pincers and a tasty Bacho hacksaw.
Cheers chaps.
First post and I thought I'd put it in the old world thread. I've been reading some (!) of it and now have a burning desire to spend money I don't have.
So, thanks for that...
Here are some pictures comprising some of my hand tools. Most of these are from my father (and his father & father in law) and are ~30-50 years old I believe.
Tin snips are JW Ward, Sheffield. Pipe wrench is a Record 10, Made in England. Snips are Lindstrom, Sweden. Pliers are ----(can't make it out) Lucas, England. Long nose pliers are Teng, no COO. Water pump pliers are Lucas Cannock England.
First is a 1/2" breaker, ~30cm long. Unknown COO because I can't make out the stamp through the age-related marks on the shaft. Second is a Britool 3/4" breaker, ~45cm long, Made in England.
1/2" and 3/8" Britool extensions, Britool converter, T-bar and ratchet, all Made in England. Also a 1/2" extension marked Germany with an unusual train carriage symbol and 'VBW', anyone know this brand?
Anyone know the brand of this Japanese 10mm socket? Has an 'S' in a circle next to 'Japan'. Also, Kamasa 19mm, is it Swedish?
Britool and Gordon Sheffield spanners.
A little imperial set I made up recently from old spares in my Dad's garage. May come in handy one day. Sockets are 1/2" and all Britool. Spanners are mainly Britool with some King **** British Made, a TW Superslim Made in England and a Stahlwille Stabil Germany. The Stahlwille has something I've not seen stamped on other Stahlwille spanners before: 'Stronger than any bolt'. If only it were a 13mm: the open ended spanner test thread would be all over...
I'm slowly upgrading my other tools to better quality items like the above as they break/become lost. After reading this thread, next up are some Knipex pincers and a tasty Bacho hacksaw.
Cheers chaps.
Default guy to blame is Monte. So have at it...
Elliot-Lucas?
Welcome to the show Coventry.
dutch79
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How can we get one (now the Lifestyle-shop is closed)?...and here is the calendar from HAZET
edit: Lifestyle-shop is online again: http://www.hazet.de/shop/index.php (but no calendar available).
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mac_intosh
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"VBW" is a tool manufacturer in Remscheid, Germany (for some years now owned by Stahlwille), which is famous for it's plumbing tools, especially the red water plumb pliers, (not sure if that's the suitable translation).
Actually they once made train stopper shoes - these things they put on the rails in front of train wheels. That is probably why they chose that symbol.
Actually they once made train stopper shoes - these things they put on the rails in front of train wheels. That is probably why they chose that symbol.
Parental advisory: Do not look at this thread !Great, now I have to figure out how to get a couple of sets of pristine out of production British wrench sets to Oregon...
Grrr.... Dang you Monte!
they´re still around: www.kingdicktools.co.uk
very nice tools !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
looks like you were on a shopping trip through europe
(at least some tools seem to be from here...Bosch brushless tools e.g. ?)
want...and here is the calendar from HAZET
Welcome to the GJ forum !
www.vbw.de
I once mailed VBW about the carriage/waggon symbol:
In the last century VBW had manufactured products for the german state railway ("Deutsche Reichsbahn"). On these products the manufacturers name had to be applied but also a waggon symbol. Then they decided to apply the waggon symbol to all of their tools as a sign of quality.
Nowadays some products still carry that symbol and are branded "VBW Waggon"
Looked through my e-mails from 2009 and found the answer from VBW:
Von 1969 bis 1995 gab es im Bereich Rohrzangen eine gut funktionierende Produktions-Kooperation zwischen den Firmen Dako
und VBW. Innerhalb dieser Zusammenarbeit wurden bei beiden Unternehmen völlig identische Rohrzangen gefertigt bzw. geliefert.
Mit Übernahme von Dako durch Gedore wurde diese Koopertation jedoch eingestellt.
Ab 1996 erfolgte die Fertigung aller Rohrzangen wieder in eigener Regie. Unsere Zangen unterscheiden sich jedoch gegenüber alten Modellen durch einen sichtbar angeschmiedeten Sicherheitsklemmschutz gegen Verletzungen.
day 19:
tools in action:
step drill bit action:
riveting:
hole saw in action:
grinding:
wrenching:
welding magnet in action:
band saw after action:
Welcome, Coventry. Love your english made tools..
@Kamasatools: Started in the 60´s as a japanese toolmaker, was aquired by a swedish car accesories company, and marketed as "designed in Sweden, made in Japan". They are still swedish owned, but I don´t know if they are all made in Japan (maybe + Taiwan now?). I have some old Kamasa tools, clearly marked "Made in Japan".
Fine Quality IMHO. Was through many years sold a.o. by the swedish Volvo Trucks dealers, a kind of a quality stamp to me.
Coventry
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Cheers for the welcomes and replies guys . Interesting information regarding the waggon marking too. I've been salivating over the Facom 440 combination spanners, is it bad to want/buy them when they're likely made in Taiwan considering there might sets made in Europe available for similar money?
superautobacs
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Speaking of Kamasa, I've recently seen a Kamasa glass removal kit which came in it's own carrying box with a few KTC upholstery/trim removal pliers. I can't remember if the handles said "KTC" on them, but the handle design and the purpleish,pink color was unmistakably KTC. I thought that was a cool discovery.
Very true about thickness issue. If you don't have a slimmer one you can't even do the job at hand.
Someone should come up with a DOE spanner that has the same size opening on both ends, but one is thick (like the 440 series) and the other end a slim (like a 31 series).
Very true about thickness issue. If you don't have a slimmer one you can't even do the job at hand.
Someone should come up with a DOE spanner that has the same size opening on both ends, but one is thick (like the 440 series) and the other end a slim (like a 31 series).
ash95608
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All the components except bit holder look identical to the Felo set, so I would say Felo. The bit holder is wiha.
@Monte
Many thanks for the informations about DAKO/VBW !
Does anybody (Monte) knows who is made the ratchets for Festool ?
The ratchets from LUX looks identical !
sorry i don´t know
for me they still look taiwanese no matter what the package says
yes, i´ve seen the Knipex XL pliers wrench today at a store.
day 20:
upgrading
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OK good info.
I am glad you are not trapped under a pile of Wiha bits and was able to get out.
What was the price ?
Video of the Rennsteig Pipe Wrench I watched today.
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Interesting carriage logo certainly.
From VBW site:
VBW started its long history in 1828 with the production of a range of hole-punching tools, such as today's wad punch. By 1900, VBW had built up a broad range of handtools for the construction industry, for the installation trades and industry as a whole. Over the course of time, a long list of key patents has borne witness to the innovative nature of VBW's tool makers.
One example worth citing is that of a patent in 1949. At that time, the company had just designed the revolutionary slotted handle of the waterpump wrench which is known affectionately as "No. 188, the red one with the yellow dot", of which the latest version is still included in the VBW catalogue. Based on the same patent, "No. 966 in red" has continued to keep a firm grip on the world. It is still the waterpump wrench with one of the highest sales volumes worldwide. In this way, VBW and the colour red have been a decisive influence on the whole industry.
During the 1980s, VBW concentrated to a large extent on the field of bathrooms and the construction industry. In both areas, VBW skills and expertise covered the entire range of handtools.
Today, VBW is a member of the Wille Group of companies and, as an experienced manufacturer of all manner of pliers, wrenches and cutters, provides industry and the trades with a fascinating range of products for electrical work, electronics, sanitary installations, gas and water installations and the building trade. "VBW - The world of pliers" thus became the subtitle of VBW's logo.
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Does anyone know how I can get one of these Russian sockets sets sold to me in the USA?
http://niz.ru/vmchk/9-nabory-shofer...a.-tu-3926-026-05797687-2006.html?format=html
I can sell for you some used, some new.
Welcome to the forum Old Bean....
I have a full set of Facom 440 spanners from 4mm to 34mm and in my humble
opinion they are the without doubt the best spanners I have ever used. Yes,
the open ends are thick, but that is a big plus in my book as they don't spread
under extreme load.
I once had to remove a fitting and the only tool I could use was a tiny 10mm
open end spanner. The fitting was so tight I had to smack the poor little
spanner with a big hammer and it did the job... It withstood much much more
punishment than any 10mm spanner has a right to, and it came out unscathed.
They are also very comfortable with the thick I beam profile and the clever
ring end allows access to recessed fasteners. It would be handy to add a set
of thin open end spanners to the tool kit for those rare times you need one.
Taiwan made or not.... Simply awesome spanners....
Facom 4mm - 34mm 440 series spanner set
Coventry
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Welcome to the forum Old Bean....
I have a full set of Facom 440 spanners from 4mm to 34mm and in my humble
opinion they are the without doubt the best spanners I have ever used. Yes,
the open ends are thick, but that is a big plus in my book as they don't spread
under extreme load.
I once had to remove a fitting and the only tool I could use was a tiny 10mm
open end spanner. The fitting was so tight I had to smack the poor little
spanner with a big hammer and it did the job... It withstood much much more
punishment than any 10mm spanner has a right to, and it came out unscathed.
They are also very comfortable with the thick I beam profile and the clever
ring end allows access to recessed fasteners. It would be handy to add a set
of thin open end spanners to the tool kit for those rare times you need one.
Taiwan made or not.... Simply awesome spanners....
Yeah it's the shaft shape, finish and ring design that's appealing. Thanks for that review though, I'm sold on them I think. The thicker open end I'd consider an advantage too, spreading the force seems like a good idea to me.
Dave455
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I'm not sure these are made in Taiwan! I know we've come to expect the worst from Facom now they have been taken over, but many of their tools are European made and I thought read somewhere that the 440's were made in Italy!
Can you help us here Monte?
only 3 days left then the Wiha calendar is empty
So no more bits then They wanted €95.- for the XL pliers wrench
iirc the lady at the Facom customer service phone said Taiwan...
day 21:
Bosch "Mini GML" radio:
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Coventry
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I've seen the various posts debating it and am certainly no expert so I'm not advocating or condemning them either way, I just think they look fantastic and read good things about their quality regardless.
It is impossible that Taiwan can make equal quality tools to Europe?
Is it impossible that they can have the skills, machines, casting ability etc. to match the Europeans?
Is it possible that some (even if not many) items are just as good as anything made here?
The 440 series may justify that.
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Google failed me while trying to find any info about this manufacturer. Anyone know anything about them?
The only other markings are FORGED DROP STEEL on the inside surface of each handle.
I found a company that makes tools branded as "Pyramid," but there's no mention of a COO and they're marketed as being for Dentistry, so they would be Stainless anyway, which would rule these out.
The only other markings are FORGED DROP STEEL on the inside surface of each handle.
I found a company that makes tools branded as "Pyramid," but there's no mention of a COO and they're marketed as being for Dentistry, so they would be Stainless anyway, which would rule these out.
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As it is already said in this forum, the 440 series are made by Toptul.
Besides the shaft they are the same as the Toptul wrenches. Facom uses even the same pictures in their catalogue.
I received mine 14-piece set today and I am very pleased by their finish. They look good and seem to fit really good in my hand, but I haven't used them a lot (one day...).
Fun fact: My holder says USAG...
Got a hefty load of new tools but no time to make pictures of them. Maybe after Christmas...
Burgerkong
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Whoaaaaa, a sea of red invading my blue (ignore the price tags, I got them for free)!
As it is already said in this forum, the 440 series are made by Toptul.
Besides the shaft they are the same as the Toptul wrenches. Facom uses even the same pictures in their catalogue.
I received mine 14-piece set today and I am very pleased by their finish. They look good and seem to fit really good in my hand, but I haven't used them a lot (one day...).
Fun fact: My holder says USAG...
Got a hefty load of new tools but no time to make pictures of them. Maybe after Christmas...
The 'Toptul is the OEM for the Facom 440 wrenches' has been debated a bit the last couple of weeks, nobody really knows.
USAG is an italian tool brand, that is very high quality. USAG and Facom collaborate/rebadge alot of tools. That's why your holder says USAG.
I have a set of 440's myself, and I believe they are premium quality. Excellent finish, very high hardness and innovative design. They are my favourite wrenches.
y20dth
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The question is, what exacly do the mean by "best brand"?
What parameters were used?
I can see them take price into account, that would explain why proxxon is so high up there.
What parameters were used?
I can see them take price into account, that would explain why proxxon is so high up there.
N.I.
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Their finish is excellent, there is no doubt about it.
They have the potential to be one of the best, but for me it is their shape that lets them down.
Compare them to the Hazet 600N which many consider the ultimate choice for strength.
Across the set the Facom open end is thicker and more lobster clawed. On some sizes they are 1 - 2mm thicker than the Hazet in addition to the lobstar claws.
So why make a stupidly strong open end and then sell your spanner in a short pattern when in mose cases, in everyday use, there is no physical way to make use of all the strength?
The two reasons I can think of why a company would do this - For warranty reasons (less likely to break), or it enables them to use cheaper steel? What else can it be - it has to be profit related?
The Facom have skyrocketed in price. If you are spending big money on a set of spanners their features and useability better match the price. If you want a shorter pattern spanner you would be better off with the Gedore Number 7 series which are at least sized appropriately. If they are out of your budget, any cheap £20 set would do just as good.
For me the only big plus of the Facom set is their case. It is excellent for carrying around to jobs. Facom seem to be good at designing those sort of things.
FYI the Hazet 600N fit into the Facom case perfectly. If money was no obstacle, I would buy another set of the Hazet and throw away the Facom.
Another mild irritation is on the ring end. The side that is flush with the handle, has no chamfer and the flat surface is not square to the broaching.
And yes, I love bashing Facom.
I agree with N.I. here, the two things they need to change are the thick open end and the short length. The length needs to be more Hazet 600N / Snap-On OEX length...Facom are way too short for a "go to" set of wrenches, I can get the same length in the USA at Sears in the Craftsman brand.
Van Steele
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IUS combination spanners.
Rescued these from becoming your next fridge: Tenadium, Walter and Golden City from Germany, Facom from France and Dynacore from Belgium.
Rescued these from becoming your next fridge: Tenadium, Walter and Golden City from Germany, Facom from France and Dynacore from Belgium.
Miskin
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Van Steele
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I suppose so, I only ever saw IUS until after they were taken over by MOB.