Tools from the old world

[mr_jack]

... When were Facom and Pastorino bought by Stanley ...

In 1991 USAG became part of the French Group Facom Tools S.A., then of the American Group The Stanley Works and, by March 2010, of the Multi-National Group Stanley Black & Decker Inc.

... from USAG's webpage ...

Utensileria Sociale: does that mean something like a comunal / syndicated utensil production? Is it a state owned entity?

Pinzeta: Isn't a pinzetta = tweezers?

Correct!
pinzetta = tweezers
pinze = pliers

USAG - UTENSILERIA SOCIETÀ ANONIMA GEMONIO
SOCIETÀ = company

 

[mkstuls]

superautobacs thank you for the info.
Today I asked in one Pastorino shop but there wasn't service kit.
The shop has NOS Pastorino but also the new controversial quality tools from epxert line

 

[Minimal Oasis]

... from USAG's webpage ...


Correct!
pinzetta = tweezers
pinze = pliers

USAG - UTENSILERIA SOCIETÀ ANONIMA GEMONIO
SOCIETÀ = company

There are two interpretations of the "A" in the acronym: "Anonima" (Anonymous) or "Amos", from the family name of the founder, Hermann Amos.
The 2010 USAG catalog says "Amos" (attached).

 

[mr_jack]

There are two interpretations of the "A" in the acronym: "Anonima" (Anonymous) or "Amos", from the family name of the founder, Hermann Amos.
The 2010 USAG catalog says "Amos" (attached).

The second actually sounds more truthful, with the name of the founder in it.

I think those bastards at Stanley have made them change it in the webpage ...

 

[garfieldzzz]

German child TV program shows how a Hazet wrench is made:

<iframe width="480" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/Ulvzdqc3rLQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

not sure it this was already here.

 

[TedF13]

German child TV program shows how a Hazet wrench is made:

<iframe width="480" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/Ulvzdqc3rLQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

not shure it this was already here.

Sesame Street in Germany is so much better.

 

[Minimal Oasis]

The second actually sounds more truthful, with the name of the founder in it.

I think those bastards at Stanley have made them change it in the webpage ...

Yes, you're right!

 

[StanleyAdams]

Found at a Leroy Merlin:

hmmm.....

They didn't even bother to re-brand it

I've had this automatic cable stripper for a while (a few years), so I'm not even sure if it had a brand name stamped when it was new.

M.I Germany.

Notice any similarities?

 

[superautobacs]

StanleyAdams,

Those are made by Weicon

 

[StanleyAdams]

StanleyAdams,

Those are made by Weicon

WOW! Thanks for that. I found it odd that out of the Wiha pliers I have and see in stores only the plastic strippers are marked "Made in Germany" but the other pliers are not, which I suspect are forged in Vietnam and finished in Germany or Switzerland.

Dunno if these are the same.

But I also have the same (or very similar) knife branded as Knipex.

The Wiha coaxial stripper don't look exactly like anything Weicon has.

 

[StanleyAdams]

Actually I found out they make the Wiha coax strippers as well:

http://www.weicon.com/pages/en/products/stripping-tools/cable-stripper/round-cable-stripper.php

Wonder if they make the same stuff for Knipex as well. But they don't look very similar.

 

[superautobacs]

StanleyAdams,

Also look at these manufacturers: Weidmuller, Jokari, Pressmaster. They are OEM and provide ODM services for various companies. I'm sure there are other companies that I've missed.


This is Greenlee branded one...made by Pressmaster:




Check out this Weicon cable stripper that I bought in Japan. It's rebranded to Marvel.

<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/ccassan/15451676418" title="J2014 Marvel by autobacs, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3937/15451676418_a93d944d2d_b.jpg" width="916" height="1024" alt="J2014 Marvel"></a>

<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/ccassan/15451670278" title="J2014 Marvel3 by autobacs, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5614/15451670278_c518eea856_b.jpg" width="1024" height="992" alt="J2014 Marvel3"></a>

<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/ccassan/15638636012" title="J2014 Marvel 4 by autobacs, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3947/15638636012_f4a186d626_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="J2014 Marvel 4"></a>

<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/ccassan/15451672318" title="J2014 Marvel2 by autobacs, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5613/15451672318_7b12263006_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="J2014 Marvel2"></a>

 

[nanofrog]

This is Greenlee branded one...made by Pressmaster:

I actually own a pair of those, with a Pressmaster label on them no less.

FWIW, I've seen Wiha, Waytek, and Xcelite labels on them as well, with Waytek being the least expensive. Same goes for the other Pressmaster products they offer, such as the Multi Crimp Tool (MCT) and dies they carry (automotive oriented, so they don't carry all of the dies).

And those Weicon's remind me of Jokari.

 

[durallymax]

StanleyAdams,

Those are made by Weicon

I have the blue point version.

 

[StanleyAdams]

StanleyAdams,

Also look at these manufacturers: Weidmuller, Jokari, Pressmaster. They are OEM and provide ODM services for various companies. I'm sure there are other companies that I've missed.

So apparently Jokari are the OEM for 90% of Knipex strippers and dismantling tools

 

[Monte]

.

maybe just try the Facom repair kit....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Facom-S-1...882?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a29aba7ba

or: http://www.ebay.it/itm/CRICCHETTO-R...06594?pt=Utensili_manuali&hash=item25968e6de2














Hazet screwholding screwdrivers

 

[wild cowboy]

@Monte -

How would you rank the screwdriver manufacturers of Europe (Wera, Wiha, etc.) as far as quality?

How would you rank the hand tool (ratchets, wrenches, sockets) manufacturers of Europe (Hazet, Stahlwille, Gedore, etc.) as far as quality?

I found a socket that was VERY WELL made, from Germany, but I was unfamiliar with the brand - the manufacturer's name was Stallion

 

[StanleyAdams]

Ikea tool cabinets :

Drawer #1:
Ghetto pliers rack

Piergiacomi precision electronics pliers, made in Italy:
They're awesome electronics pliers, reasonably priced. They run from 10-25 EUR depending on the model. The only bad thing about them is the brand name is impossible to remember.

Interesting, self-setting precision stripper, works quite well. Recently I find myself using it much more than the bulky automatic strippers on 22AWG wire.

Unior PH/PZ precision drivers:
Probably not the best out there, but well worth the money I payed. Reasonably durable, good ergonomics.

Walter Shroder Precision Torx:
They're OK quality, not the best ergonomics for me. Still can't figure out what the button on top is for.

 

[Miskin]

Walter Shroder Precision Torx:
They're OK quality, not the best ergonomics for me. Still can't figure out what the button on top is for.

If you find out let me know!
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2681471&postcount=12887

 

[dutch79]

Youtube tip of the day, if you're not familiar with this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/user/colinfurze/videos

 

[StanleyAdams]

If you find out let me know!
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2681471&postcount=12887

Heh .

As far as the price goes I see they run for 4-6 EUR a piece in the brick store where I bought them, which seems similar to what I payed 5 years ago. Mind you, it's an overpriced store in general, but I needed them right then. So you got a good value on yours. I see them listed as Gebra brand on that store's site now, but I think they're the same screwdriver. Even more expensive on amazon now - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gebra-639040-GSS-Set-torx-screwdrivers/dp/B007UY6BN4/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1415386562&sr=1-3&keywords=gebra+torx

From the description on Amazon: "Grip can be fitted with vario-ring to adapt to different hand sizes". Maybe the button has something to do with that, whatever that is. I didn't get any vario-ring thingy with mine.

Also, from descriptions online they should have a spinning cap, but the caps on mine don't spin so well, if at all. So far my best guess is that the spring-action button on top is to help put constant downward pressure on the screw. That is if you use them with your index finger putting pressure on top and spinning with your thumb and middle finger. I don't really care either for the spinning caps nor that, cause I use precision drivers like I use regular ones - with the bottom of my palm putting downward pressure.

 

[ALFA]

new tools box !

 

[Monte]

@Monte -

How would you rank the screwdriver manufacturers of Europe (Wera, Wiha, etc.) as far as quality?

How would you rank the hand tool (ratchets, wrenches, sockets) manufacturers of Europe (Hazet, Stahlwille, Gedore, etc.) as far as quality?

That´s a complex question with no definitive answer i think. To rank the quality of each tool you would have to do "tests" like this http://wiesemann.eu/_UPLOAD/files/Oldtimermarkt.pdf to find a ultimate answer. But if you buy products from one of the manufacturers you mentioned you can´t go wrong

I found a socket that was VERY WELL made, from Germany, but I was unfamiliar with the brand - the manufacturer's name was Stallion

never heard of that brand !?

They're OK quality, not the best ergonomics for me. Still can't figure out what the button on top is for.

Thats the only thing i found:
http://www.werkzeug-news.de/handwer...onikschraubendreher-von-walter-schroeder.html
https://translate.google.com/
"The patent cap is an evolution of the spherical cap. The patented spring pin facilitates working with tiny screws."

.

Schroder bought Gebra.

new tools box !

nice !













Alarm steel fish tape (draw wire)
www.alarm-werkzeuge.de

 

[CV90]

Gedore K1900-018 hand operated impact driver. 1/2" drive, manganese phosphate finish, 8mm bits, COO Germany.

Still unused but looks like a sturdy piece of kit. Shame on Gedore for changing the steel storage case to plastic.

The older steel case:

Apparently there is also a version made in Brazil:

 

[durallymax]

@Monte -

How would you rank the screwdriver manufacturers of Europe (Wera, Wiha, etc.) as far as quality?

How would you rank the hand tool (ratchets, wrenches, sockets) manufacturers of Europe (Hazet, Stahlwille, Gedore, etc.) as far as quality?

I'm not Monte, but can offer some insight as I was in your shoes.

What I did for screwdrivers was by a PH2 from every brands line that I was interested in. I had been using craftsman pros. I bought a Wiha Microfinish, Felo Ergonic, Felo 550 and Wera Chisel driver.

Before I got then, just from reading around I got the impression that I would like the Wera best followed by the Wiha.

When I opened them all up the Wiha felt cheap and boring. My first impression was that it was my least favorite of all of them. To be fair, I ordered a standard microfinish and should have ordered their extreme duty version to compare to the chisel driver since both have striking caps and hex shafts. The Felo Ergonic had a soft grip and I thought it would be my favorite. The 550 felt too small so I never really gave it a chance. The Wera just seemed odd. After talking with others on here hey mentioned you have to hold the Wera differently than you would a driver with the Wiha style handle. That's perfectly fine, but it wasn't my style and I didn't like it. That let the Felo ergonic and Wiha. I actually found the Wiha ergonic to be too soft. After driving a few screws my hand would start to cramp. The Wiha was hard plastic with the nice microfinish. It was soft by any means but it had the perfect handle shape for me which was a surprisingly simple looking design. It also had one of the best tips and could actually hold a lot of Phillips screws without dropping them.

In the end I settled on Wiha and the turned into a slippery slope.

As for sockets. I suggest doing the same thing. I myself planned on doing it but don't want to drop that kind of money on socket sets right now. I really like a lot of the euro sockets but for the cost it makes me want to just go to snap on because it's so much easier and I do like snap on sockets. I have mostly craftsman ones now that have seen daily abuse since I first started buying my own tools 4 years ago. They are showing their age a bit. I'm most likely going to replace them with decent snap on sets from eBay. Not much for the euro stuff on there that's easy to find unfortunately.

One nice thing about euro sockets other than their super duper tool steel is the useful knurling many of them have.

 

[durallymax]

Hazet screwholding screwdrivers

The business end of those looks the same as my Wihas.

 

[Blöckw@rt]

 

[Blöckw@rt]

 

[StanleyAdams]

-

Nice organizers

A Chinese knockoff, sold as "Amtech":

 

[hemdale]

Hello everyone,

I had a look at TURNUS products and was surprised to see that it "belongs" to Kukko.com

I was interested in these letters: http://www.roci-outillage.com/Outils-a-main/Chiffres-lettres-a-frapper/4000871964.html

I've seen some others from MOB but much more expensive:

http://ecatalog-mob.maqprint.fr/produit.php?pro_id=2151
http://ecatalog-mob.maqprint.fr/produit.php?pro_id=2212

Should I go for the Turnus or the MOB ones before I pull the trigger ?

Looking at the MOB image (ok it's much bigger than the other one...MOB's numbers look somewhat sharper...)

Doctor Monte...

 

[Monte]

The business end of those looks the same as my Wihas.

...and Athlet....

...and Wera.....

...and Cimco....

Looking at the MOB image (ok it's much bigger than the other one...MOB's numbers look somewhat sharper...)

Doctor Monte...

i guess its just the pic...
you also could check out what Heidenpeter has to offer...:
www.Heidenpeter.de (Gravurem and Masus brand)
http://www.heidenpeter.de/wp-content/uploads/Heidenpeter_Katalog_Deutsch_WEB.pdf
http://stores.ebay.de/stahlstempelpragewerkzeuge/















sneak peaks of new Bosch tools

brushless 10,8 volt impact:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/g39lpPfTX1E?list=UUIvFxSFeCHZsBGuBDpsVY8Q" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

18 volt sheet sander:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/8luiOD6Nh0Y?list=UUIvFxSFeCHZsBGuBDpsVY8Q" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

[durallymax]

I gotta ask, after seeing that Bosch I'm wondering who owns the battery design if anyone does. You see it used everywhere for various brands. I thought it was just an M12 Milwaukee thing until I saw it used in various other places

 

[Blöckw@rt]

Big guns from Wiha, I couldn't resist!

 

[dutchgray]

I couldn't resist these big Gedore ones either.
View media item 44739£24 the lot delivered.

 

[CV90]

I couldn't resist these big Gedore ones either.
View media item 44739£24 the lot delivered.

Used to have an almost complete set of these component handle Gedore drivers until I sold them to a friend. Quality screwdrivers but I didn't care for the squareish handle shape. The shape is very good for high torque though. The OEM for this driver is Oplast or Unior I think.

The latest version looks like this (not my picture)

 

[Monte]

I gotta ask, after seeing that Bosch I'm wondering who owns the battery design if anyone does. You see it used everywhere for various brands. I thought it was just an M12 Milwaukee thing until I saw it used in various other places

i think the Knipex battery is from Milwaukee...
if you want to make a battery with 3 cells there are not many choices for the design if you want to build it as compact as possible














Mitutoyo vernier caliper

 

[Blöckw@rt]

My humble Wiha screwdriver collection, but not comparable to durallymax.

 

[rumb]

i think the Knipex battery is from Milwaukee...
if you want to make a battery with 3 cells there are not many choices for the design if you want to build it as compact as possible
















Mitutoyo vernier caliper

Hi! I have 530 series - love it!

NEW vs old cheap vernier caliper.

 

[zaboravi]

Hi, here are my new Bosch and Hitachi products bought last weekend:

first Bosch GWS 12-125 CI angle grinder, 1200 W, Made in Germany for 75 Euro. It is very well made, excellent quality, with 3 m long cord and starting current limitation, Champion motor, constant electronic, direct cooling, KickBack Stop, smooth start, locking system, overload protection, anti-rotation protective guard and restart protection. Simply best of German tool technology. Like it.













Hitachi C6SS 165 mm circular saw, 1050 W, 3.2 kg, for 65 Euro:











and Hitachi CJ65V3 jig saw, 400 W, 1,5 kg, for 60 Euro:















Both Hitachis are made in China, but very well made, something like Makita made in China quality.

 

[Lofthouse]

Can't Wait