Tools from the old world

[Reto]

Older Hazet

 

[dede2897234]

Older Hazet

Reto,

Is the above Hazet tool for removing and installing spark plugs?


Thanks,

Dave

 

[Reto]

Reto,

Is the above Hazet tool for removing and installing spark plugs?


Thanks,

Dave

Hi Dave,

Yes, that is exactly correct

 

[hautpot]

PB Swiss 00, 0, 1, 2 Phillips - Made in Switzerland
PB Swiss Terminal Screws (1, 2 Pozidriv/flat blade) - Made in Switzerland
Wera Impaktor 2 Phillips - Made in Czech Republic

 

[hautpot]

Nice GIF's hautpot.

Glad you enjoy them! Amateur cell phone. Wish I didn't use left hand, that is why the video is shakey

 

[rice rocket]

Beta haul.

 

[upgrading]

Facom France (still available in shops). I think I bought them at Zoro

Those are cool looking.

 

[dutchgray]

View media item 54937Got an Nos Facom 40L 35mm, odd size but it was very cheap so i why not and also found an old and beat up Bedford Whitworth DOE.

 

[Cybermike]

Got an Nos Facom 40L 35mm, odd size but it was very cheap so i why not

You and me think the same way.

 

[Reto]

Beta haul.

Very nice! Made in....?

 

[rice rocket]

Beta doesn't list COOs, but most of their hand tools are still Italy.

So all the hex drivers, screwdrivers, sockets, and wrenches for sure still are. The impact socket is made in Japan by Ko-ken. I'm not entirely sure where their pliers are made, probably Italy as well? I haven't done enough research into their pliers.

Either way, the pliers are excellent. The ergonomics are the reason I buy most Beta tools, and I already see these pliers are going to become my favorites. The in hand feel is incredible. What you can't see in the photo is how the handle flattens out toward the end of the handle, to distribute the pressure over a bigger area on your hand, but where your index finger would be, is narrow, so the grip isn't obnoxiously large. Its little things like that that make Beta awesome.

Same with their screwdrivers, its a trilobal, like some of my other drivers, but they just nail the proportions right every time.

 

[Olafur]

Nice haul rice rocket.

 

[rice rocket]

What you can't see in the photo is how the handle flattens out toward the end of the handle, to distribute the pressure over a bigger area on your hand, but where your index finger would be, is narrow, so the grip isn't obnoxiously large. Its little things like that that make Beta awesome.

To illustrate:

 

[the gypsy]

Reto,

Is the above Hazet tool for removing and installing spark plugs?


Thanks,

Dave

Is this universal joint smoother working than the springless model? In my experience some uni joints tend to swing to much (side to side making the movement slightly resistent) for a smooth operation.

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

Wiha XZN set. Made in Germany.


Wera ratchet screwdriver. Made in Czech Republic.

 

[chrissalas1]

Beta doesn't list COOs, but most of their hand tools are still Italy.

So all the hex drivers, screwdrivers, sockets, and wrenches for sure still are. The impact socket is made in Japan by Ko-ken. I'm not entirely sure where their pliers are made, probably Italy as well? I haven't done enough research into their pliers.

Either way, the pliers are excellent. The ergonomics are the reason I buy most Beta tools, and I already see these pliers are going to become my favorites. The in hand feel is incredible. What you can't see in the photo is how the handle flattens out toward the end of the handle, to distribute the pressure over a bigger area on your hand, but where your index finger would be, is narrow, so the grip isn't obnoxiously large. Its little things like that that make Beta awesome.

Same with their screwdrivers, its a trilobal, like some of my other drivers, but they just nail the proportions right every time.

When I was studying automotive engineering the 95% of the tools that we were using was beta(made in Italy) and matador(made in Germany).I was really impressed with the two makes especially with the beta.Beta has a reputation here in Greece and many car mechanics prefer them.Beta,unior,facom and gedore are the professional tools that can be found very easy here in Greece.One reason I don't buy Beta tools is because they don't write the coo on them so I am not sure where they make them and the price is very high if they are made in china or Taiwan.Some of the tools are obviously made in Taiwan but for the others I am not sure.One guy here in town was the biggest supplier of Beta tools and now he is selling Gedore and Heyco and told me that he wasn't satisfied with Beta,who knows...

BTW,Have you contacted Beta and told you that the sockets,wrenches etc are made in Italy?

 

[upgrading]

The Holidays approach.
Time for a 125mm family pic.

 

[rice rocket]

One guy here in town was the biggest supplier of Beta tools and now he is selling Gedore and Heyco and told me that he wasn't satisfied with Beta,who knows...

BTW,Have you contacted Beta and told you that the sockets,wrenches etc are made in Italy?

#1 thing you'll learn is your dealer will be the first person to lie to you. Their incentive is to sell you tools at a profit, and to have you buy more tools, so the incentive there is to sell you tools they make the biggest profit on (and he will for sure put down all brands except the ones that he carries, making some excuse that he only carries the best brands), but also tools that you'll have to replace in the future. No one except you makes money if all your tools last forever.

He doesn't care if his customers are satisfied really, because the manufacturer will refund him for all the broken tools he returns, plus the broken tools gets the customer back in the store, which means he can make more sales.

What more likely happened is he found out he could make more money selling other brands, and told some lie to get people to switch when he didn't want to carry them. Or maybe he was pulling the "I'm the biggest distributor in the land, give me better profit margins", Beta said no, and he pulled the plug to try to hurt them.

I work in retail at the corporate level, so I have a little insight into how vendor negotiations work. Rarely do we drop a product because it's not a good product (that only really happens if it hurts our brand image), it's more likely that we couldn't get the price we wanted to hit our profit margins, or some other vendor came in to undercut them.

I prefer to research things on my own, I rarely trust what my dealer says.

 

[rice rocket]

Anyways, the screwdrivers (at least the Beta MAX series) has been verified mfg'd in Italy, as have the T-handles and sliding T-handles. The wrenches are definitely as well, though you'll only find verification on the Ko-ken branded versions (which are stamped Italy), which have appeared in this thread a few times. For the other things, I usually check with Trident Supply, they have COOs listed for all the Beta stuff.

http://www.trident-supply.com


In the end, I know this is the tools from the old world thread, but I'm honestly not too hung up on where the item is made. All my Bosch cordless stuff is made in China, and they're really nice tools. My Metabo stuff is split 50/50 between Germany and China, and while you can tell the difference, both are still great tools. Beta designs w/ great ergonomics, I'll continue buying for their comfortable designs alone, unless tool quality REALLY falls off.

 

[hautpot]

Cool stuff, Beta is on my wishlist

 

[chrissalas1]

#1 thing you'll learn is your dealer will be the first person to lie to you. Their incentive is to sell you tools at a profit, and to have you buy more tools, so the incentive there is to sell you tools they make the biggest profit on (and he will for sure put down all brands except the ones that he carries, making some excuse that he only carries the best brands), but also tools that you'll have to replace in the future. No one except you makes money if all your tools last forever.

He doesn't care if his customers are satisfied really, because the manufacturer will refund him for all the broken tools he returns, plus the broken tools gets the customer back in the store, which means he can make more sales.

What more likely happened is he found out he could make more money selling other brands, and told some lie to get people to switch when he didn't want to carry them. Or maybe he was pulling the "I'm the biggest distributor in the land, give me better profit margins", Beta said no, and he pulled the plug to try to hurt them.

I work in retail at the corporate level, so I have a little insight into how vendor negotiations work. Rarely do we drop a product because it's not a good product (that only really happens if it hurts our brand image), it's more likely that we couldn't get the price we wanted to hit our profit margins, or some other vendor came in to undercut them.

I prefer to research things on my own, I rarely trust what my dealer says.

Anyways, the screwdrivers (at least the Beta MAX series) has been verified mfg'd in Italy, as have the T-handles and sliding T-handles. The wrenches are definitely as well, though you'll only find verification on the Ko-ken branded versions (which are stamped Italy), which have appeared in this thread a few times. For the other things, I usually check with Trident Supply, they have COOs listed for all the Beta stuff.

http://www.trident-supply.com


In the end, I know this is the tools from the old world thread, but I'm honestly not too hung up on where the item is made. All my Bosch cordless stuff is made in China, and they're really nice tools. My Metabo stuff is split 50/50 between Germany and China, and while you can tell the difference, both are still great tools. Beta designs w/ great ergonomics, I'll continue buying for their comfortable designs alone, unless tool quality REALLY falls off.

I know the lies that the dealers saying.
BTW thank you very much and nice tools

 

[Jolomite]

Thank you for the advice, Monte. I might have to start with the 18V as it will do everything and then get a smaller driver for those types of tasks. Much appreciated

The 18 V model is definately made for larger screws. Maybe for smaller screws i would use the second gear because the drill has lower torque in 2nd gear. There is also a difference in torque if you fully push the switch or if you don´t. But i also would recommend a 10,8 volt tool for all smaller screws for let´s say up to 6mm screws. So a combination of the 10,8 and 18 volt Fein drills would be ideal
The drawbacks are the price and the limited selection of available tools. So it depends which tools you need or must have...

Dewalt or the new Makita would be a (cheaper) option too. But if you want something really Fein ehhh fine...


Fein 12 volt drives a 8x220mm screw...

 

[rune-hammer]

Either way, the pliers are excellent. The ergonomics are the reason I buy most Beta tools, and I already see these pliers are going to become my favorites. The in hand feel is incredible. What you can't see in the photo is how the handle flattens out toward the end of the handle, to distribute the pressure over a bigger area on your hand, but where your index finger would be, is narrow, so the grip isn't obnoxiously large. Its little things like that that make Beta awesome.

Carl Kammerling does this on their ESD electronics pliers too:

Maybe other manufacturers too, I have just not looked for that feature. I am very impressed with the finish on these C.K tools. For the price I think that they are the nicest looking german made electronics pliers I have seen.

 

[nanofrog]

Carl Kammerling does this on their ESD electronics pliers too

Those are actually ODM'ed by Schmitz (link = online store; they ship internationally).

They've recently started selling directly and through Amazon.de for ~ half the price or less of what most companies that rebrand their products (NWS's yellow & black grip ESD line and Bernstein would be additional examples).

Maybe other manufacturers too, I have just not looked for that feature. I am very impressed with the finish on these C.K tools. For the price I think that they are the nicest looking german made electronics pliers I have seen.

They're also some of the best performing cutters you'll ever get your hands on as well, and their pliers are the best I've ever used. BTW, I ended up getting them for ~$28 per shipped from Germany.

As per the grip style, Lindstrom's Rx grips do this as well, as do some of the products made for Excelta.

 

[Monte]

Carl Kammerling does this on their ESD electronics pliers too:

Usag too













Bahco Laplander saw + knife set

 

[shanny19]

^^ that is widely acclaimed as THE saw to have in your survival bag, if you're into that sort of thing.

 

[Monte]

^^ that is widely acclaimed as THE saw to have in your survival bag, if you're into that sort of thing.

yeah i might need a survival bag i think. Or maybe i should stop watching Walking Dead and Z Nation . No I want to use it for garden work. Maybe for camping one day.

 

[Dave455]

With regard to Beta, the COO seems to depend on what 'level' of tool you are buying!

The Beta 'Easy' seem to be their cheap line and although made in the Bets style, they all seem to be far eastern manufacture!

Beta 'Max' are one of their premium lines and the last I saw were marked 'Made in Italy', but on the packing only. This may have been to meet U.K. requirements.

I have one of their 3/4 drive socket sets and that was marked the same.

The 'aerospace grade' socket sets are KoKen rebranded, but I've always found it cheaper just to buy KoKen.

 

[NonSenCe]

everyone needs somekind of survival kit nowdays imo. or atleast a mental state of knowing what they have , what they need and how to use them if needed.

be the "survival incident" just few days of electrics cutting out: one needs some food stored, way to cook it, and to keep yourself warm.

 

[impulse922]

^^ that is widely acclaimed as THE saw to have in your survival bag, if you're into that sort of thing.

No love for Silky saws ?

 

[Reto]

Dowidat

 

[Reto]

On the left side are Gedore NC sockets. Gedore says the following about Corostop:
COROSTOP is a special process for preventing corrosion on
tools used in wet areas. The tools are specially electroplated
to provide corrosion proofing many times greater (at least
500%) than our conventionally coated tools. The protective
COROSTOP coating reliably protects the tool, even when it
sustains slight surface damage.
This method ensures COROSTOP tools are ideally suited to
a wide range of marine applications, work on drilling rigs
- in fact everywhere where water is present or used in the
process and robust tools are required for sustained use.

Right to the Gedore NC sockets is an older Dowidat 1/2 ratchet, and next to it several 3/8 sockets, a 1/4 ratchet, and some 1/4 sockets (all Dowidat).

The 1/2 Dowidat ratchet has a feeled 15 teeth or so. it is really the opposite of a smooth ratchet action. But if feels quite solid....

The following picture shows one of the Gedore NC sockets. The color is a little bit different than a "normal" socket (maybe difficult to see in the picture).

 

[Reto]

More Knipex

 

[Reto]

Duratool Cable Cutter made in Germany (indicated on the packaging, but not on the tool itself). My best guess is that this is a rebranded Orbis

 

[Reto]

PB Swiss (basically the only newer PB Swiss tools I have). Not sure if this is going to change in a week when PB Swiss has 30% on all tools for Black Friday...

 

[Reto]

Older Vessel Philips for JIS screws. JIS is a somewhat confusing topic. It is my understanding that JIS is an older standard and has been extended over time, and any newer Vessel screwdriver (and many other brands) should work with older JIS screws. However, this is not completely clear in my opinion. I wanted to be on the safe side and bought these older Vessel screwdrivers (not the 700, 800, or 900 series). What I can say is that these screwdrivers grab JIS screws the way it was meant to be. I am one of those guys who opened a, let's say, 1990 carburator from a Japanese bike with a regular screwdriver, and thought that the screws were bad quality, whereas in reality I just didn't have the right tool.

 

[Reto]

Rennsteig pliers ($16 each on Amazon a few months ago).

 

[Reto]

If you live in the US, I think you should get the 7 and 10 inch Craftsman - rebranded Knipex Cobra. If you look around a bit, you should be able to get the set for $35 and/or use points on them. My 7 inch do not even say Craftsman on them, only Knipex.

 

[Reto]

Knipex Wire Cutter. This should work where your normal diagonal cutters give up....

 

[Reto]

More Knipex. I really have never used it, but it is from the time when Lowe's cleared out their Knipex inventory, and I bought a few or around $1.50 each.