Tools from the old world

[upgrading]

Is all Gedore Red stuff made in Asia ?

 

[Matt XYZ]

Is all Gedore Red stuff made in Asia ?

Be careful with Gedore Red. Most of it is made in Asia- China and Taiwan. The wrenches are made in India and are of poor quality. There are displays in the local hardware store here. I would put them below Tekton and others but with a higher price tag.

 

[mr.lemons]

There was mention in another thread about wrenches made in India. Didn't think I had seen any but spotted these today at a local store called 'The Range.' Produced in 'The India.' Wonder if there is currently a shift over to production in India for some lower price tools.

 

[Qualitytools]

Xiaomi does with Wiha. Wiha doesn't make a ratcheting screwdriver for the international market.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000009145132.html

It's known as the Xiaomi Mijia Wiha 8'n'1 (36 tooth design). If you search for other Xiaomi Wiha products you can find other Wiha products being sold under the Xiaomi name with Wiha and Xiaomi branding (pliers, pliers wrenches, hex keys, bit sets etc).

Thank You!

 

[bulletpruf]

Cataloging a bunch of my DOE wrenches that I collected when I was in Europe. There are a few interesting ones - Eagle Brand, made in U.K., Robur, Emmenr, Omma, Belzer (very nice copper/beryllium 46mm/41mm).

I've seen a bit out Robur and Belzer here, but is anyone familiar with Eagle, Emmenr, or Omma?

Thanks,

Scott

 

[Dave455]

Cataloging a bunch of my DOE wrenches that I collected when I was in Europe. There are a few interesting ones - Eagle Brand, made in U.K., Robur, Emmenr, Omma, Belzer (very nice copper/beryllium 46mm/41mm).

I've seen a bit out Robur and Belzer here, but is anyone familiar with Eagle, Emmenr, or Omma?

Thanks,

Scott

I’ve seen a few Eagle wrenches over the years. Not a huge number though, which makes me think ‘Eagle’ was probably a brand of a smallish forging company that banged out a few tools, and probably a load of other stuff too.

Every wrench I’ve seen appeared to have been a ‘contract’ tool of some sort, either supplied to a vehicle manufacturer, or a government contract, which makes me wonder if these were ever retailed?

Finish seems to be either unfinished, or a generic ‘black’. I remember seeing one tool that had a blacked handle and a polished head that was obviously of a very high quality. Most are nothing special finish wise, but I’ve never seen one really bruised, which suggests decent steel and heat treatment.

The high quality wrench screamed ‘pre war’ at me. I’ve seen other wrenches that were dated (gov’t contract requirement) and they were wartime dates. I’ve seen them marked ‘British Made’ too, but on unplated tools, which suggests 1950’s. Don’t think I’ve seen anything newer, and nothing chromed!

 

[E.T.]

Werkzeug 1244-WW easy lock wiper arm removal tool.

Compared to my older puller which I think is about the cheapest available and sold under many brands.

The Werkzeug puller looks to be a copy of the Facom U.14A. The sprung design really does make it easier to use. The Werkzeug also has a deeper reach than my old puller which only just fitted on my car's rear wiper arm.

Spring design in action.

Facom U.14A puller for reference. I think the Facom puller is made in France and is probably much better quality than the Werkzeug but twice the price.

I don't know much about Werkzeug tools. Their tools look to be rebrands sourced from China so the puller may be available under different brands in different parts of the world. There is no COO on the box or tool.

Quote from the Werkzeug website.

Founded in 2011 by Tyrone Welch, Welzh Werkzeug Ltd has grown rapidly over a short period of time to become one of the largest UK automotive tool suppliers. We specialise in the automotive sector providing an extensive range of tools and accessories. Our products are available through motor factors, independent retailers, hardware stores and van sales.

This puller is available stateside under ECS tuning’s Schwaben brand. I have inquired as to COO in the past and all their line is made in Taiwan.

https://www.ecstuning.com/b-schwaben-parts/schwaben-heavy-duty-wiper-arm-puller/018544sch01a/

 

[bulletpruf]

I’ve seen a few Eagle wrenches over the years. Not a huge number though, which makes me think ‘Eagle’ was probably a brand of a smallish forging company that banged out a few tools, and probably a load of other stuff too.

Every wrench I’ve seen appeared to have been a ‘contract’ tool of some sort, either supplied to a vehicle manufacturer, or a government contract, which makes me wonder if these were ever retailed?

Finish seems to be either unfinished, or a generic ‘black’. I remember seeing one tool that had a blacked handle and a polished head that was obviously of a very high quality. Most are nothing special finish wise, but I’ve never seen one really bruised, which suggests decent steel and heat treatment.

The high quality wrench screamed ‘pre war’ at me. I’ve seen other wrenches that were dated (gov’t contract requirement) and they were wartime dates. I’ve seen them marked ‘British Made’ too, but on unplated tools, which suggests 1950’s. Don’t think I’ve seen anything newer, and nothing chromed!

Thanks for the details. I'll post a few pics in the next day or two.

Scott

 

[Monte]

A tool box inlay which should belong into every box

 

[bulletpruf]

I’ve seen a few Eagle wrenches over the years. Not a huge number though, which makes me think ‘Eagle’ was probably a brand of a smallish forging company that banged out a few tools, and probably a load of other stuff too.

Every wrench I’ve seen appeared to have been a ‘contract’ tool of some sort, either supplied to a vehicle manufacturer, or a government contract, which makes me wonder if these were ever retailed?

Finish seems to be either unfinished, or a generic ‘black’. I remember seeing one tool that had a blacked handle and a polished head that was obviously of a very high quality. Most are nothing special finish wise, but I’ve never seen one really bruised, which suggests decent steel and heat treatment.

The high quality wrench screamed ‘pre war’ at me. I’ve seen other wrenches that were dated (gov’t contract requirement) and they were wartime dates. I’ve seen them marked ‘British Made’ too, but on unplated tools, which suggests 1950’s. Don’t think I’ve seen anything newer, and nothing chromed!

Here are a few pics. For sale if anyone wants it. Just make me an offer and it's yours. Trying to clean out the garage.

 

[BBDartCA]

Hello. New member of GJ. This is my faveorite thread as I have a fair collection of Euro mechanics tools. Here is a Gedore Red (old Carolus line) 3/4 speed bar purchased on one of my recent trips to Germany. I guess its the real old world as it was made in Taiwan. Still a quality tool for a very fair proce (20 EUROS if I recall correctly).

 

[BBDartCA]

Made in Spain SAE wrench. Any idea who the maker was?

 

[BBDartCA]

Other side of the Spanish spanner.

 

[Jack84]

Could be Palmera.


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[butsir]

I always saw the manufacturer's brand stamped on tools of a certain quality; Palmera, acesa, irimo were the most common brands of spanners.

 

[Kasal]

I always saw the manufacturer's brand stamped on tools of a certain quality; Palmera, acesa, irimo were the most common brands of spanners.

+1, and I'm not sure if these brands made sae tools. It could also be Ega master, since they manufacture for other brands and also sae tools.

 

[Cynical huckster]

A tool box inlay which should belong into every box

Nice inlay. Is it yours? COO?

A folding rule branded by Knauf PFT, but made by Stabila.

 

[OMMP]

+1, and I'm not sure if these brands made sae tools. It could also be Ega master, since they manufacture for other brands and also sae tools.

Well, I have Palmera SAE wrench... So it could be, but just doesn't look like it

 

[Qualitytools]

A tool box inlay which should belong into every box

Monte, I like that, very nice! I learned about Warsteiner beer watching the DTM Touring Championship Racing in the late 80's and early 90's as they sponsored the BMW M3s during those races.

 

[Qualitytools]

Purchased to use on my car.

 

[66HertzClone]

Purchased to use on my car.

Used for checking rear differential plugs on Mercedes I think correct?

 

[BBDartCA]

Talk about taking a hand grenade to a knife fight. Hazet 3/4 drive 24mm impact andElora 3/4 23mm.

 

[Qualitytools]

Used for checking rear differential plugs on Mercedes I think correct?

Yes, actually both the BMW uses the 14mm for the diff and Manuel trans as well as the Mercedes. I will try it out tomorrow as I do a differential service on the BMW. Last time I used an Allen socket with a ratchet and an extension, so I will put the wrench to the test and see

 

[mrspeed]

I haven't posted in a while as I was trying to upgrade my lighting situation for the pictures. Here goes the first attempt with some Lindstrom pliers and cutters with the Ergo comfort grips. Made in Spain.



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[Dave455]

+1, and I'm not sure if these brands made sae tools. It could also be Ega master, since they manufacture for other brands and also sae tools.

Both Palmera and Acesa made SAE / AF tools, I’ve seen examples from both makers, which were marked with their names.

Acesa had a reasonable presence in the U.K. in the 70’s and 80’s. Unfortunately, you only know you’ve got really decent tools when you’ve used them for a fair time, so it takes a while to build a reputation.

As things turned out, Acesa were first class tools. Of course, parts of Spain (Toledo) have a history of steel making and cutlery to rival Sheffield or Solingen, so it shouldn’t be a surprise that they can produce pretty decent tools.

When I was about 16, Dad gave me an Acesa 1/2” drive socket set, with both SAE and Metric sockets. He’d spotted them at a local tool shop and thought they were quality. He was right! I used this set extensively for some years and still have it. There is little noticeable wear on the sockets even now.

 

[garfieldzzz]

Is all Gedore Red stuff made in Asia ?

No, I got a 300Nm torque wrench sayn made in Germany. Seems like a little cheaper version of their blue torque wrenches.

 

[upgrading]

That is interesting info.

 

[Qualitytools]

Purchased to use on my car.

UPDATE: I Used the wrench to service the differential today and it worked out very well as I was concerned about clearance but that was not an issue

 

[TjoFrasse]

Is all Gedore Red stuff made in Asia ?

Some (can't say all) of their hammers and punches seems to be Habero Made in Germany. Other than that I would say that many Gedore Red items looks worse that their Carolus predecessors. From nice Taiwan stuff to cheap China stuff.

 

[mr.lemons]

Picked up a set of Kamasa spanners from the autojumble this morning. No real signs of use on them. Textured finish with polished open ends. Marked 'W-Germany.'

Also spotted a Hazet Assistent for sale.

 

[Ruxpin]

Both Palmera and Acesa made SAE / AF tools, I’ve seen examples from both makers, which were marked with their names.

Acesa had a reasonable presence in the U.K. in the 70’s and 80’s. Unfortunately, you only know you’ve got really decent tools when you’ve used them for a fair time, so it takes a while to build a reputation.

As things turned out, Acesa were first class tools. Of course, parts of Spain (Toledo) have a history of steel making and cutlery to rival Sheffield or Solingen, so it shouldn’t be a surprise that they can produce pretty decent tools.

When I was about 16, Dad gave me an Acesa 1/2” drive socket set, with both SAE and Metric sockets. He’d spotted them at a local tool shop and thought they were quality. He was right! I used this set extensively for some years and still have it. There is little noticeable wear on the sockets even now.

It's nice to see older quality tools kept in good condition despite being clearly used (not abused).
You must have a cracking selection / collection of tools you have amassed over the years Dave. Do you have any photos on here of your work bench set up, your toolbox(es!) and favourite tools you've used over the years?

 

[BBDartCA]

Caolus SAE wrench set from one of the liquidators on eBay. No country of manufacture markings. Assume Taiwan.

 

[Kasal]

Some Toptul and Knipex pliers.

 

[OMMP]

While you are here Kasal, I wonder... Best over here for top grade handtools is flea market - there was this guy with box full of screwdrivers - Palmera, Irazola, Irimo... Saw few chinesium, one Bondhus... Guy is cocky, sort of douche, so I did not take the pic. Irazolas were with blue handles, even there was Bahco, exact same. Had only Spain on handle - is it legit? He was no cheap... Irimo did not have nothing. Palmera also Spain. Is there production of these brands in Spain?

 

[Kasal]

Yes, they were all Spanish brands with manufacturing in Spain, Irazola manufactures screwdrivers for Bahco. Today Irimo manufactures in China, and Palmera and Irazola have become part of the snap europe group, which renames everything in the name of Bahco.

 

[Kasal]

While you are here Kasal, I wonder... Best over here for top grade handtools is flea market - there was this guy with box full of screwdrivers - Palmera, Irazola, Irimo... Saw few chinesium, one Bondhus... Guy is cocky, sort of douche, so I did not take the pic. Irazolas were with blue handles, even there was Bahco, exact same. Had only Spain on handle - is it legit? He was no cheap... Irimo did not have nothing. Palmera also Spain. Is there production of these brands in Spain?

surely this was the model. If so, I have had it for a few years under the name Bahco and have been fantastic.

 

[OMMP]

surely this was the model. If so, I have had it for a few years under the name Bahco and have been fantastic.

Well, no. It was same as Irazola 191, 192. Blue-grayish handle. Sharp lines. Squared - sort like ergo Felo and Wera. Yes, also had Bellota. Maybe I did not make myself clear - are those manufactured in Spain? Almost pulled a trigger... Do not want bad egg. Also, Palmera had just Spain inscribed. Irimo like virgin - nothing. I am asking because I happened to buy Bahco combo pliers - one side has Bahco Sweden, other Made in France by Bahco. If it helps, they looked NOS.
So, are they alive - those brands? Do they manufacture tools, and if they do, which ones? As far as I know, Irimo went faaaaaaar east, Palmera is long gone, Irazola has some pulse...

 

[Kasal]

Surely they are legitimate but old. I think that nothing is manufactured under the name Irazola. Today they can be found under the name Bahco.

 

[upgrading]

Some (can't say all) of their hammers and punches seems to be Habero Made in Germany. Other than that I would say that many Gedore Red items looks worse that their Carolus predecessors. From nice Taiwan stuff to cheap China stuff.

I will stay clear of it.
Amazon had a ton of the Red stuff which is why I was curious.

 

[Dru]

Got a good deal on the bahco torx drivers, they were dusty all over like they sat in their warehouse for some time.