Tools from the old world

[Dave455]

@Dave455 will be along shortly with an authoritative answer. In the meantime, I'd suggest Facom or USAG.

Oh dear, I’m getting a reputation!

Facom (I think) don’t currently offer a long combination wrenchs in SAE sizes. I’m pretty certain they are discontinued in both the No. 40L (which is being replaced by the 440XL - but not in SAE yet) and also the No. 41 offset box.

I suspect the same for USAG, but it might be worth looking.

 

[dukefx]

Correct, USAG doesn't offer any long combination wrenches in SAE sizes either. They only have the 285 L series which are metric.

 

[Zewnten]

How much are you looking to spend? A 12 pc. set of Elora SAE long 1/4 to 7/8 is around $207.

That is a better price than anything I’ve found. On the USA available sites it was more like $300-400 for a set up to 1”

 

[Zewnten]

Correct!

I think the No.14 may have been available in SAE sizes historically, but not for some years.

Hazet are excellent, I’d probably go for those if I could live without the offset.

Gedore are variable. The No. 7 XL is actually one of their better tools. A friend has a set and I have to admit they are not bad.


They are much better than the Gedore No. 1, which I find dog rough, though I admit I don’t like Gedore much.

Elora shouldn’t be ridiculously expensive, they are generally very competitive. They can certainly offer what you want, even Whitworth of you want it! Can you order direct from Europe? I have a few Elora tools and they’re pretty decent.

The offset of the Stahlwille 14 is what had me looking at them. I’ve not used them yet but I can see them being very handy. Even the Hazet with the forged vs bent beam to get the boxed end angle is a step up from American wrench manufacturers.

I’ve heard a lot of mixed reviews on the Gedore open ends compared to Stahlwille, Hazet, and Elora so I’m hesitant to invest much. I appreciate everyone’s input though.

 

[Chrome Vanadium Cody]

Elora seems to have the best selection of inch size tools of the euro brands I’ve looked at and I’m guessing this is because of their historical link to Draper exporting to Britain. It seems like an area they put a lot of effort into so if aiming for a balance of quality/bang for the buck that’s who I’d go with.

I ordered a couple things from their US distributor Bloomer Tools (mostly in inch sizes!) and I’ve been happy with them. Bloomer’s catalog is limited and prices are good on some things and not so good on others. If they don’t have what you like at a reasonable price Amazon.de has much of it cheaper and eligible to ship here.

 

[Dave455]

The offset of the Stahlwille 14 is what had me looking at them. I’ve not used them yet but I can see them being very handy. Even the Hazet with the forged vs bent beam to get the boxed end angle is a step up from American wrench manufacturers.

I’ve heard a lot of mixed reviews on the Gedore open ends compared to Stahlwille, Hazet, and Elora so I’m hesitant to invest much. I appreciate everyone’s input though.

One question / suggestion.

How often do you think you will use the open end of the long combination wrench?

If the answer is “not often”, why not go for box end wrenches?

If you do that, just about everything is available in SAE sizes, and you only need half the number of wrenches!

 

[Zewnten]

One question / suggestion.

How often do you think you will use the open end of the long combination wrench?

If the answer is “not often”, why not go for box end wrenches?

If you do that, just about everything is available in SAE sizes, and you only need half the number of wrenches!

I use the open end every day usually multiple times a day when working on hydraulic hoses. Tool storage space is very limited so duplicates and overlapping has to be avoided.

 

[Steve_P]

One question / suggestion.

How often do you think you will use the open end of the long combination wrench?

If the answer is “not often”, why not go for box end wrenches?

If you do that, just about everything is available in SAE sizes, and you only need half the number of wrenches!

In the US, combo wrenches have been the norm forever. And that's mostly what I have, because I'm old. But if I was 25, I'd definitely buy a lot more DBE wrenches instead of the many, many sets of combo wrenches that I have; I rarely need to use the open-end, and I'd suspect that the vast majority of DIYers would say the same. So yeah, definitely rethink if you really need so many open-end wrenches.

 

[Monte]

Heco screw set




mmmhhh delicious screws

 

[DAustin]

That is a better price than anything I’ve found. On the USA available sites it was more like $300-400 for a set up to 1”

DIN-3113B-ISO-3318 Combination Wrenches made in Germany

Combination wrenches made in Germany by Elora Werkzeugfabrik, offered for sale on-line by www.BloomerTool.com

www.bloomertool.com

 

[Zewnten]

In the US, combo wrenches have been the norm forever. And that's mostly what I have, because I'm old. But if I was 25, I'd definitely buy a lot more DBE wrenches instead of the many, many sets of combo wrenches that I have; I rarely need to use the open-end, and I'd suspect that the vast majority of DIYers would say the same. So yeah, definitely rethink if you really need so many open-end wrenches.

Long pattern and stubby are my only combo wrenches haha. The rest are job specific

 

[gsanvi]

Gedore copper 750g hammer. I checked, it’s made in Germany. Feels really well made. I like the retaining collar on the top which provides additional safety.

 

[Loga_3]

Vintage Swedish steel ruler by "Emil Olsson". They were most famous for making pocket knifes. But in the 1920's they started making steel rulers. The company disappeared in the 60's.
The finish is plain steel, no fancy stainless, no plating, no nothing. I'm not even sure if its hardened.
The backside is completely filled with whitworth thread stuff, neat!
Anyway, it was completely covered in rust when i got it. But it turned out great i think!

 

[Monte]

Rodcraft orbital sander

 

[Qualitytools]

Vintage Swedish steel ruler by "Emil Olsson". They were most famous for making pocket knifes. But in the 1920's they started making steel rulers. The company disappeared in the 60's.
The finish is plain steel, no fancy stainless, no plating, no nothing. I'm not even sure if its hardened.
The backside is completely filled with whitworth thread stuff, neat!
Anyway, it was completely covered in rust when i got it. But it turned out great i think!

Very nice indeed, post a photo of the back

 

[Loga_3]

 

[Qualitytools]

That’s great, thanks for sharing.

 

[Monte]

Rennsteig chisel

 

[zeug]

Gedore copper 750g hammer. I checked, it’s made in Germany. Feels really well made. I like the retaining collar on the top which provides additional safety.

I’ve got the same handle and retention on an engineers hammer. No COO on the tool however.

 

[Dave455]

I’ve got the same handle and retention on an engineers hammer. No COO on the tool however.

Those hammers are made by Habero.

The line is called “Rotband Plus”. The “Rotband” being the red reinforcing ring, and the ”Plus” being the additional metal plate securing the head.

These hammers were made by Habero for years, both under their own name, and for Gedore. I have one or two of the former, and all were marked “Made in Germany” for the U.K. market.

Gedore subsequently bought out Habero, and I don’t even know if tools are available under the Habero name any more.

You’re right to be suspicious, I don’t trust Gedore one bit, they always seem to be looking for a way to shave a few cents off the costs and I often find their tools disappointing. In this case however, I’m fairly sure the hammers are made in Germany.

 

[Spongebob89]

Hi, I bought this 3/4 MMH torque meter (new old stock). I didn't know the brand MMH. After searching I didn't find new tools of this brand, so I suppose tha the company doesn't exist anymore, but I beleive that back then must be one of the top brands (Made in England). Do you know if there is any catalogue or leaflet about the torque meter?

 

[Dave455]

Hi, I bought this 3/4 MMH torque meter (new old stock). I didn't know the brand MMH. After searching I didn't find new tools of this brand, so I suppose tha the company doesn't exist anymore, but I beleive that back then must be one of the top brands (Made in England). Do you know if there is any catalogue or leaflet about the torque meter?

I have almost exactly the same tool. Had it for some years. Excellent tool. The calibration doesn’t seem to wander like it does with some dial instruments,

I think MHH either got bought out by Torqueleader, or became Torqueleader. Either way, the designs were still available from Torqueleader for many years, and still are with few changes. Look at the Torqueleader website and you will find them.

Torqueleader were, in turn, bought by Gedore (fairly recently). Sort of makes sense as they made all of Gedore’s torque wrenches. Still the same factory in the same place. Still the same people last time. I spoke to them.

They make a lot of specialist tools for the British (and French) aerospace industry, so I can’t see things changing drastically.

 

[Spongebob89]

I have almost exactly the same tool. Had it for some years. Excellent tool. The calibration doesn’t seem to wander like it does with some dial instruments,

I think MHH either got bought out by Torqueleader, or became Torqueleader. Either way, the designs were still available from Torqueleader for many years, and still are with few changes. Look at the Torqueleader website and you will find them.

Torqueleader were, in turn, bought by Gedore (fairly recently). Sort of makes sense as they made all of Gedore’s torque wrenches. Still the same factory in the same place. Still the same people last time. I spoke to them.

They make a lot of specialist tools for the British (and French) aerospace industry, so I can’t see things changing drastically.

The Gedore is the main brand of my tools. I didn't find an official site of Torqueleader, but only the gedore's site when I search on google. Thank you very much for the informations. If anyone knows where can I find or download a vintage catalogue from MHH brand please tell me.

GEDORE® Tools | Hand Tools & Torque Experts

Need a tool for your next project? Check out GEDORE® and find the perfect tool for the task at hand!

gedore-torque.com

 

[dukefx]

You could try archive.org. Start here!

 

[Spongebob89]

I have almost exactly the same tool. Had it for some years. Excellent tool. The calibration doesn’t seem to wander like it does with some dial instruments,

I think MHH either got bought out by Torqueleader, or became Torqueleader. Either way, the designs were still available from Torqueleader for many years, and still are with few changes. Look at the Torqueleader website and you will find them.

Torqueleader were, in turn, bought by Gedore (fairly recently). Sort of makes sense as they made all of Gedore’s torque wrenches. Still the same factory in the same place. Still the same people last time. I spoke to them.

They make a lot of specialist tools for the British (and French) aerospace industry, so I can’t see things changing drastically.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9FAA9683669CDA2F

 

[Spongebob89]

F. Chandler, Boston, MA / speed indicator / patent 282067 Jul 31 1883 Charles H. Fowler /



Tabor Mfg. Co., New York, NY / Speed Indicator / patent 325991 Sep 8 1885 Harris Tabor /

L.S. Starrett Co., 121 Crescent St., Athol, MA 01331-1915 / https://www.starrett.com/ / est. 1880 / patent http://alloy-artifacts.org/other-makers-p3.html#starrett / https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/ls-starrett-co-and-not-a-vise.391577/ /

Hello,
I found the below. Because I don't know anything about speed indicators, could you tell me which is worth it?

Number 1

Tabor Mfg Co 4 Inch 1885 Patent Speed Indicator / Collectible Tool | eBay

<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">We always ship next business day or sooner </p>

www.ebay.com

Number 2 - has quite high price even from starret

Vintage 6 1/2 inch FOWLER Patent Speed Indicator | eBay

Patent copy included. The dial has one hundred teeth. Manufactured by F.Chandler, Boston, Mass.

www.ebay.com

Number 3

Starrett Vintage No. 107 Speed Indicator, RPM Indicator, Made in USA | eBay

For your Consideration is this Antique L.S. Starrett RPM Gage. Starrett, Athol, Mass., Made in USA. This Tool is in Good Used Working Condition.

www.ebay.com

From the below brands I didn't find something (maybe I didn't search right):
Number 4
George W. Church Co., 109 Fulton St., New York, NY / speed indicator / patent 527207 Oct 9 1894 William Lang /.
Number 5
Connecticut Cutlery Co., Naucatuck, CT / pocket knives, speed indicator /

 

[four.cycle]

@Spongebob89 - I'm not sure what your question is.

 

[Spongebob89]

@Spongebob89 - I'm not sure what your question is.

My original question was "Hello, do you know where can I find an old used RPM Indicator like this in the below image. There was any good brand back in this time?" I want to buy a vintage good quality RPM indicator but I don't know anything about brands pros & cons.

 

[Monte]

Weller soldering grease

 

[gsanvi]

I’ve got the same handle and retention on an engineers hammer. No COO on the tool however.

The handle used to have „Made in Germany” written on it. Now it doesn’t. They claim this:

 

[dutchgray]

My original question was "Hello, do you know where can I find an old used RPM Indicator like this in the below image. There was any good brand back in this time?" I want to buy a vintage good quality RPM indicator but I don't know anything about brands pros & cons.

Get a used Hasler tachometer, you can find them very cheaply on ebay, they are nice quality and unlike those very old types it gives a direct RPM reading, you don't have to count the seconds and work out from the rpm yourself.

 

[four.cycle]

OH! sorry... I wasn't sure what you were asking.
I own one of those gizmos made by Stewart-Warner, but I've never had a reason to use it.
I honestly have no clue which would be "better". I would assume all of them would function as intended if they weren't broken.

 

[Spongebob89]

Get a used Hasler tachometer, you can find them very cheaply on ebay, they are nice quality and unlike those very old types it gives a direct RPM reading, you don't have to count the seconds and work out from the rpm yourself.

Thanks for the reply. I found two types. Could you check the attached pictures and tell me if am I right?

 

[dutchgray]

Thanks for the reply. I found two types. Could you check the attached pictures and tell me if am I right?

The first reads 0-300 or 0-1,000, the outer large dial is 30 or 100 per revolution of the needle and the small dial counts the revolutions of the main dial.

The second one Is the same but the ranges are 0-3,000 or 9-10,000.

The nobs on the side, one is a run/hold button, the other is a range selection button.

The one I have just has a single large dial, but it has 3 ranges. They are about 80mm diameter in the main body.

Both of those examples are in rougher condition than I would buy, but the one in the green lined box is pretty nice, you should be able to find one in effectively new condition without too much difficulty, its an item that in a lot of cases us rarely used but well looked after. They are in effect an obsolete tool since non contact tachometers are pretty cheap now.

 

[dukefx]

Got myself some Tsunoda cable cutters. Bought them from Aliexpress. The tool itself was a bit more expensive than Amazon.jp, but 2-week shipping was free as opposed to Amazon's twice the price of the tool. Amazon would have been ~50% more expensive.

 

[honcho]

Weller soldering grease

"Soldering Grease," is that the correct UK English term for what I know in American English as "soldering flux"?

 

[dukefx]

Yes, it even says flux para estañada if you look at the Spanish, but in all other languages I can read it says fat / grease.

 

[Tactile]

Recently acquired a few common sizes of Beta 42 combo & 90 double deep offset wrenches. Website says the 42 is still made in Italy and the 90 looks like an older style forging so...?

 

[snowblindb]

Speed E Pocket Drive
Is this really a new version? There’s like zero info about this anywhere. I know the speed e 2 but I don’t like the vde bits.

 

[Spongebob89]

The first reads 0-300 or 0-1,000, the outer large dial is 30 or 100 per revolution of the needle and the small dial counts the revolutions of the main dial.

The second one Is the same but the ranges are 0-3,000 or 9-10,000.

The nobs on the side, one is a run/hold button, the other is a range selection button.

The one I have just has a single large dial, but it has 3 ranges. They are about 80mm diameter in the main body.

Both of those examples are in rougher condition than I would buy, but the one in the green lined box is pretty nice, you should be able to find one in effectively new condition without too much difficulty, its an item that in a lot of cases us rarely used but well looked after. They are in effect an obsolete tool since non contact tachometers are pretty cheap now.

Thanks you very much for your time to give me all these information. One more question... I found the below where if I am correct measures from 0-1000(red scale) & 0-10000(black scale). From the picture do you think that is in a decent condition and it is worthy to buy it or I have to wait to find something even better looking?