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Pexto

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I got one of those over 40 years ago when I was working for a landscaping outfit installing lawn sprinkler systems. I haven't used it for a band clamp since then, but it rides around in my carpentry toolbelt because it makes a great nail puller. Since the jaws are slightly rounded, it works surprisingly well as an adjustable nut driver, too! :thumbup:
 
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I got one of those over 40 years ago when I was working for a landscaping outfit installing lawn sprinkler systems. I haven't used it for a band clamp since then, but it rides around in my carpentry toolbelt because it makes a great nail puller. Since the jaws are slightly rounded, it works surprisingly well as an adjustable nut driver, too! :thumbup:
I get the nail puller usage, but cant figure out how I would use this as a nut driver. Unless that's some kind of euphemism :)
 

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I get the nail puller usage, but cant figure out how I would use this as a nut driver. Unless that's some kind of euphemism :)

This will probably get me banned from GJ! :D Since the edges are rounded, they actually don't damage nuts (much!). Definitely qualifies as marginally abusive; not just for the tool but for the nut as well. But sometimes you're up on a ladder, and you just have to make do with what's in your toolbelt. And these Knipex are always in my toolbelt.

Note also that these are marked "W Germany". Old school!

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This will probably get me banned from GJ! :D Since the edges are rounded, they actually don't damage nuts (much!). Definitely qualifies as marginally abusive; not just for the tool but for the nut as well. But sometimes you're up on a ladder, and you just have to make do with what's in your toolbelt. And these Knipex are always in my toolbelt.

Note also that these are marked "W Germany". Old school!

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I imagined that and then said nah, I’m missing something. Sometimes you just gotta make it happen.

I was living in Munich in the late 80s and early 90s before reunification. West Germany , the D Mark and all kinds of other things that are gone into history. Makes me feel old at 53.

I see the same tool is still available from Knipex. 40 year run with little to no change doesn’t seem common these days.
 

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I imagined that and then said nah, I’m missing something. Sometimes you just gotta make it happen.

I was living in Munich in the late 80s and early 90s before reunification. West Germany , the D Mark and all kinds of other things that are gone into history. Makes me feel old at 53.

I see the same tool is still available from Knipex. 40 year run with little to no change doesn’t seem common these days.
Hard to improve on that design, cheap and simple to make and effective. That style of snips has a geometry that lets them be quite hard and they stay sharp for a long time and can potentially even be resharpened.
 

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Hard to improve on that design, cheap and simple to make and effective. That style of snips has a geometry that lets them be quite hard and they stay sharp for a long time and can potentially even be resharpened.
I think you might be missing something. Although they look very similar, these aren't end nippers. They have rounded smooth working edges for tightening band clamps (System Oetiker).


Indeed, as you say, these are hard to improve on. Mine have taken many beatings over 40 years and they are still going strong.


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I think you might be missing something. Although they look very similar, these aren't end nippers. They have rounded smooth working edges for tightening band clamps (System Oetiker).


Indeed, as you say, these are hard to improve on. Mine have taken many beatings over 40 years and they are still going strong.


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Oh interesting. I admit I used the regular nippers to pinch those clamps in the past, and I wondered how the correct tool for that looked like. Quite surprised it's basically the same :))
 

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Here are some more older Knipex pliers.

The West Germany nippers are apparently "concreters' nippers", intended for cutting and tieing rebar tie wire. I inherited these from my dad and have no idea why he had them as I don't think he ever did any concrete work or was even near it. They have fairly blunt cutting edges, with the idea that you can use a light touch to twist the wire tight, then bear down to cut it off. These are apparently still made (https://www.knipex-tools.com/products/pincers-and-nippers/concreters'-nippers); current model number is 99 00 220. I've done a lot of rebar work in the past, but we always just used combination pliers.

The other pliers are also from my dad, and maybe even from my Austrian grandfather. Knipex No. 26, "Vanadin Super". Labelled 'Germany' and not "West Germany", but these look pretty old to me. Knipex still makes a similar model 26 21 200.

I should have had a lot more old Knipex from my dad, but there was some miscommunication when we moved him into a retirement place, and he gave a dozen pairs to someone else, after I thought I had dibs. Oh, well, at least I know they went to a good home!

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En esta parte del mundo se les conoce como: tenazas rusas, e incluso tenazas de encofrar, que es su uso principal. También son muy utilizados por los soladores para romper baldosas.
 

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Bought the Stahlwille socket set a few weeks ago. Really like the locking feature they all have. Bought the jack last week, also like it low profile two stage 20 ton. Both bought from ebay uk. No damage to the socket box even with only one layer of cardboard protecting it.
 

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¿Cómo te gusta?
La verdad es que aún no lo he abierto, espero poder hacerlo este fin de semana. Pero creo que las expectativas serán buenas. Este modelo es la evolución del c24s (que yo tengo) y estoy encantado con él, y este ha sido igual pero más grande y con algunas mejoras.
 

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Bought the Stahlwille socket set a few weeks ago. Really like the locking feature they all have. Bought the jack last week, also like it low profile two stage 20 ton. Both bought from ebay uk. No damage to the socket box even with only one layer of cardboard protecting it.
The locking feature is actually an option on most of the Stahlwille socket accesssories.

Generally, you add “QR” to the part number to get the locking version.

I must admit that most of my Stahlwille is non locking - I love the smooth flowing lines that don’t snag on hoses or cables. The only exception are the ratchets. I know that the quick release versions are theoretically weaker, but in most other respects I’ve come to prefer them.
 
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Had to explain this to a customer yesterday and figured I might as well share. Added the write-up to my blog on Facom & USAG tools.........https://www.ultimategarage.com/Facom/facomnews.html

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I have the Proto version of those ratchets in flex and fixed head. They are by far my favorite ratchets. The knurling is nice, the heads are compact, the back drag is minimal, and the weight is well balanced. I wish the replacement kits were cheaper but these ratchets are sweet.
 

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Found these 1/2" drive Beta sockets on clearance from Zoro and used a 20% off coupon on top of that, ended up being somewhere between 6 to 8 USD a piece. 23-30mm and a 32mm.

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Chrome is very bright and shiny on the outside, matte on the inside. Old school hex and square profiles with no off-corner engagement but that shouldn't be a huge deal at these sizes and low frequency of use. Some of the larger ones have some nicks/dents under the chrome or splotches but I don't really care at this price.

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The labeling is minimal and easily legible which I love. Just the size in very larger numerals followed by the Beta logo/text and the product series (920A). Wish other manufacturers kept it this simple!

Not sure when I will ever use a 25 or 29mm but I have them now just in case, lol. Either that or they will be shiny seal drivers. :)
 

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Found these 1/2" drive Beta sockets on clearance from Zoro and used a 20% off coupon on top of that, ended up being somewhere between 6 to 8 USD a piece. 23-30mm and a 32mm.

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Chrome is very bright and shiny on the outside, matte on the inside. Old school hex and square profiles with no off-corner engagement but that shouldn't be a huge deal at these sizes and low frequency of use. Some of the larger ones have some nicks/dents under the chrome or splotches but I don't really care at this price.

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The labeling is minimal and easily legible which I love. Just the size in very larger numerals followed by the Beta logo/text and the product series (920A). Wish other manufacturers kept it this simple!

Not sure when I will ever use a 25 or 29mm but I have them now just in case, lol. Either that or they will be shiny seal drivers. :)
COO is Italy?
 

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Had to explain this to a customer yesterday and figured I might as well share. Added the write-up to my blog on Facom & USAG tools.........https://www.ultimategarage.com/Facom/facomnews.html

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The Facom ratchets are really cool, but I generally prefer a pear head design (easier to switch over). Are the pear head ratchets from Facom also made in Europe?
 

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I think so? That's how Zoro and Chad's Toolbox have them labeled anyway.

No marks on the tools but neither does my other Beta stuff. They came in individual ziplock bags with hand labeled sharpie part numbers.
I have a Beta 3/4” drive set. While I’ve had it for some years, the styling and finish of the sockets looks identical to your 1/2” sockets.

My set was marked “Made in Italy” on the packing.
 

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Had to explain this to a customer yesterday and figured I might as well share. Added the write-up to my blog on Facom & USAG tools.........https://www.ultimategarage.com/Facom/facomnews.html

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I am a customer of yours for a long time and I own close to 20 Facom ratchets beginning from the 1970s to current.

I have to commend Facom for this, they are always improving the tool designs.

I had the earliest version of their 3/8 Rotator ratchet from you. When I bought the 3/8 metric socket set that came with a Rotator ratchet about two years later, I found they made the ratchet head smaller and thinner on the rotator ratchet- meaning, it would get into even tighter quarters to access hard to get to fasteners.

The new sealed head ratchets are fantastically thin and compact.

I do not like not being able to rebuild them, but I do like the size and form factor.

As always, one needs to have multiple options and the ability to pick the tool for the job.
 

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Since the early 2000s the COO of Beta tools is Whoknowswhere. Based on the inside of the sockets I'd say they are Italian.
There are the obvious Japanese Ko-ken rebrands and the mostly Taiwanese Beta easy line. But I think most of the core socket + ratchet line as well as the T-handles are still Italian manufacture. The satin metal handle ratchets might be Taiwan, idk.

But yeah, the styling and lack of off-corner loading screams "forging that hasn't been redesigned in 20+ years". If it were a Taiwanese forging, it would be newer and probably be a more modern design. Interestingly, I believe Beta has redone their 3/8" drive line to include corner cutouts. I'm not terribly worried about COO either way here though.
 

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Hazet Jumbox 3.0 of Circlip pliers
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12 different kinds of circlip pliers in a blue tub
Seems like the most quirky way to pack stuff up. On the surface a box seems more efficient, but ultimately maybe if you have a bunch of cylinders all of the same diameter it also brings some benefits (and looks really unique)?

Like, beer cans are also almost as efficiently packed as square beer boxes would be, but are way stronger and easier to manufacture...
 

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Seems like the most quirky way to pack stuff up. On the surface a box seems more efficient, but ultimately maybe if you have a bunch of cylinders all of the same diameter it also brings some benefits (and looks really unique)?

Like, beer cans are also almost as efficiently packed as square beer boxes would be, but are way stronger and easier to manufacture...


It is quirky.

The two halves are threaded, so that part is nice. It screws together in about 3 turns / revolutions.

I do not like that the tools bang around against each other inside the plastic can.
 
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Odd question. I'm working on a wish list of tools and I'm having a hard time finding sets of sockets on any of the european websites, amazon.de, a new one I found svh24.de, handtoolsfromgermany etc. I'm mostly looking at Stahlwille as they have SAE as well as metric but I only find a few select sets usually with ratchet and extensions. I barely recognize certain german words for tools so I can't really browse the menus. Stahwille set numbers don't turn up anything either.
 

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I think you may be able to find a lot of stuff on www.conrad.com too.
Stahlwille is neat but others have imperial sockets too (I know the sockets from Hazet, Gedore and Unior are made in Europe for sure).
Hazet lists the inch/imperial sizes as "American dimensions" in their catalogue.
 

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Odd question. I'm working on a wish list of tools and I'm having a hard time finding sets of sockets on any of the european websites, amazon.de, a new one I found svh24.de, handtoolsfromgermany etc. I'm mostly looking at Stahlwille as they have SAE as well as metric but I only find a few select sets usually with ratchet and extensions. I barely recognize certain german words for tools so I can't really browse the menus. Stahwille set numbers don't turn up anything either.
Your location would be good to know because most shops won't even ship to neighboring countries let alone much farther (by default). You don't need to know German, you just need to know the EAN number which a lot of shops use, and you can also use idealo or geizhals. They will cross reference EAN numbers, article numbers, and whatever the manufacturer calls it.

An example:
I go to Stahlwille.de, pick what I like. Lets go with the 1/2" set I own. I take the EAN number, throw it into idealo.de and I get 26 results. The de version will list shops that will ship to Germany. If you use at, fr, es, co.uk etc. you get results that will ship to those countries. Of course you can always pick a shop, e-mail them, and ask. I'm sure some shops will ship elsewhere on demand.

Finding something isn't hard at all. If you need help, I'll help. The main issue remains shipping.
 
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