Tools from the old world

[Dave455]

Those wrenches, the screwdriver, and 2 of the hammers are made in France. The soft faced hammers are "bri'ish"
They produce all over the world these days.

The soft faced hammers are made by Thorex.

They make hammers for a lot of other companies, but in the U.K. it’s generally cheapest and easiest to buy the ones sold under their own name.

The range on offer is quite staggering.

 

[dutchgray]

Very impressed with this sola tape measure. 13€, made in the UK, the retraction is excellent, the brake works as it should, it is well made and it has a nice, not cheesy design

One of the classic Fisco tapes, I reckon they have been available for 30 years at least. Used to get them branded with whatever merchant you were in at the time.

 

[gillrich]

Very impressed with this sola tape measure. 13€, made in the UK, the retraction is excellent, the brake works as it should, it is well made and it has a nice, not cheesy design

I had one of those. Excellent

 

[KnurledNut]

Quite possibly my most unique screwdrivers. Enjoy:

 

[lardy1]

Quite possibly my most unique screwdrivers. Enjoy:

Can you provide a source for those drivers? Very impressive looking.

 

[KnurledNut]

Can you provide a source for those drivers? Very impressive looking.

They are vintage W. Germany.
(Schlagring is the german word for brass knuckles.)


As fas as I can tell, they are still in business.
http://www.schlagring.de/produkte.php
Schlagring Catalog.pdf. Screwdrivers start at page 69.

Modern-day Anatom:

 

[lardy1]

Interesting. I believe Bondhus has some kind of business relationship with Felo here in the USA. I wonder if there is a connection to your drivers and the modern Felo company.

 

[KnurledNut]

Interesting. I believe Bondhus has some kind of business relationship with Felo here in the USA. I wonder if there is a connection to your drivers and the modern Felo company.

The german made Bondhus screwdrivers may be made by Felo. Im not certain. I also see similarities to Schlagring. Maybe someone else can confirm.
I edited my post and removed that info since it wasnt verified, although possible.

 

[lardy1]

The first time I clicked your link I got something different. Sorry if my post about Felo came from left field. Not sure what happened .

 

[dukefx]

I don't think there's any relation between Schlagring and Felo.

 

[Monte]

Nothing stamped into the hammer head or handle…..I have a “Swiss” gunsmith hammer that looks to be from the same maker. Handle is marked Swiss with Swiss crest but I heard the head was German. I think they do this to exploit rule of Origin, like the Austrians. And there is plenty of wood handle industry in Swiss and Austria. Not as much for metallurgy and forging.

Might need to do an unboxing of some of these!

ah ok i thought there might be something stamped/forged into the head somewhere which disclose the OEM.




The modern Schlagring drivers might come from Sora

Startseite - SORA Schraubendreher

www.sora-schraubendreher.de

Manufacturer:

The specialist in premium screwdrivers with your private label - Heinrich Betz Tool Factory - Screwdrivers and Screw-Clamps

Screwdrivers with your Private Label. Your unique item for instance as promotional gift, tool assortment, special offer etc. - Heinrich Betz Tool Factory, Radevormwald. Tools made in Germany.

www.heinrichbetz.de

 

[Pixel_Rage]

Today I received the order from amazon, which also includes the 2 tools.
Hazet managed to disappoint me.

 

[garfieldzzz]

Howly cow, looks like the forklift in the warehouse dragged it along. I would return it.

 

[CGarage]

ah ok i thought there might be something stamped/forged into the head somewhere which disclose the OEM.

Monte:

The Stubai hammer is indeed German made, because of the handle. Hence, why it isn’t stamped or marked “Austria”. Confirmed now by Stubai office. I have another “Swiss” hammer that has a Swiss crest on the handle but that I know was German produced because the Swiss don’t forge hammer heads (none that I am aware of)….not like PB Swiss hammers.

There is a Stubai tools importer in the US:

Sheet Metal & Slate Roofing Tools & Supplies | Stortz Tools

Specializing in sheet metal and slate roofing tools and supplies. Quality seaming, cutting, soldering, & bending tools. Fast Shipping!

www.stortz.com

 

[KnurledNut]

@Monte
Do you know who manufacturers the German made Bondhus screwdrivers?

 

[dukefx]

@Monte
Do you know who manufacturers the German made Bondhus screwdrivers?

No German manufacturer I know would sell something as terribly finished as this Bondhus


If you look at it, it has the exact same design as the Vessel ball grip drivers. Totally the same. I call BS on "engineered in Germany" as it's a patented design.

 

[F-22]

No German manufacturer I know would sell something as terribly finished as this Bondhus


If you look at it, it has the exact same design as the Vessel ball grip drivers. Totally the same. I call BS on "engineered in Germany" as it's a patented design.

I wonder if I'm looking at different screwdrivers? The Bondhus says "100% made in Germany" on the handle. On "www.bondhustools.com" it says Bondhus partnered with Felo to sell them in the US. It does not look like a Vessel ball grip to me.

Felo Tools has partnered with Bondhus for distribution rights in the US. They have been producing high-quality screwdrivers in Germany since 1878, and their lineup includes interchangeable screwdriver-blade systems, screwdriver sets, socket and bit sets, and specialty screwdrivers. Felo hand tools are the highest quality hand tools on the market; Felo simply doesn't produce low-end tools. These tools are designed for individuals who appreciate well-made tools and who need tools that work as designed.

Germany makes lots of nice tools but also some which are quite mid-range in quality in my opinion (despite hefty prices).

 

[CGarage]

Germany makes lots of nice tools but also some which are quite mid-range in quality in my opinion (despite hefty prices).

This.

100%.

I think the Japanese today surpass the Germans in overall quality.

 

[dukefx]

It does not look like a Vessel ball grip to me

Not sure if we're talking about the same stuff then, but the only Bondhus drivers I know that are "made in Germany" are the ball grips. The regular squarish handled ones are made in the US, and Felos are Felos.

Bondhus on the left, Vessel on the right. The handles (patented) are 100% the same, the blades are not. They are poorly machined if you look up high res images.

 

[CHI_Tool&Die]

This.

100%.

I think the Japanese today surpass the Germans in overall quality.

Yeah, everything I ever bought that was MiJapan has been very consistent in quality. Too bad they’ve been on a roll of discontinuing product offerings so I’ve had to go back to MiUSA for items (I’m specifically referring to tools in my trade, not sockets, wrenches, etc.).

 

[KnurledNut]

Not sure if we're talking about the same stuff then, but the only Bondhus drivers I know that are "made in Germany" are the ball grips. The regular squarish handled ones are made in the US, and Felos are Felos.

These are what we’re trying to determine the manufacturer. The packaging and design points to Heinrich Betz. I assumed in my original post that Schlagring was making them because they are similar, but ended up deleting that because I couldnt confirm. It now makes sense that HB may be making them both.
EDIT: Just noticed it literally says Heinrich Betz on the packaging. Well that confirms that.
It also says “A Bondhus Company”. I wonder if they now own HB? If so, if HB is making Schlagring then that does make a connection to Felo, as they are the exclusive German distributor or OLFA and Bondhus brands.

 

[CGarage]

Yeah, everything I ever bought that was MiJapan has been very consistent in quality. Too bad they’ve been on a roll of discontinuing product offerings so I’ve had to go back to MiUSA for items (I’m specifically referring to tools in my trade, not sockets, wrenches, etc.).

What tools are they discontinuing?

 

[dukefx]

These are what we’re trying to determine the manufacturer. The packaging and design points to Heinrich Betz. I assumed in my original post that Schlagring was making them because they are similar, but ended up deleting that because I couldnt confirm. It now makes sense that HB may be making them both.
EDIT: Just noticed it literally says Heinrich Betz on the packaging. Well that confirms that.
It also says “A Bondhus Company”. I wonder if they now own HB? If so, if HB is making Schlagring then that does make a connection to Felo, as they are the exclusive German distributor or OLFA and Bondhus brands.

Ah, now it makes sense. Didn't know Bondhus had those. As for Bondhus owning HB, yes, if you look it up on pitchbook it says parent company Bondhus.

 

[lardy1]

Interesting. I read somewhere about a marketing agreement between Bondhus and Felo but I can't seem to find it now and I've forgotten the details.

 

[Steve_P]

The packaging on that Bondhus screwdriver set does remind me of Felo.

 

[silkman]

Today I received the order from amazon, which also includes the 2 tools.
Hazet managed to disappoint me.

Don't bother with Amazon, send an email with photos to the service email at the Hazet website and they will send you a replacement...

 

[Pixel_Rage]

Don't bother with Amazon, send an email with photos to the service email at the Hazet website and they will send you a replacement...

Amazon DE refunded my money without returning the product.

 

[silkman]

Amazon DE refunded my money without returning the product.

Great! So you can now also ask for a replacement

 

[CHI_Tool&Die]

What tools are they discontinuing?

Mostly their non-digital micrometers and the various non-standard depth mics. They are still making the enamel outside mics, but the other variations are discontinued.

 

[dukefx]

It's been a while since I posted any of my new tool additions, so here it is: Hazet pliers for wheel nut caps. The finish is worse than your average Chinesium, but hopefully that'll be the only flaw. Can't really test it right now until I switch to my summer wheels. I can grab the caps on my winter wheels easily while it's impossible on my summer wheels without a tool.

 

[Spongebob89]

Hello,
I want a Bearing Puller for a bearing that has outside diameter 8mm. Do you know where can I find one? I want to extract the below bearing that is shown on the images.

 

[dukefx]

I'm not an expert so I won't even try to give you direct links, but I'm pretty sure Kukko makes what you need. They have pretty much everything in terms of pullers.

 

[CGarage]

For Monte:

Mauser digital calipers from Germany. Yes, they are slick.

 

[PiotrxV]

Very impressed with this sola tape measure. 13€, made in the UK, the retraction is excellent, the brake works as it should, it is well made and it has a nice, not cheesy design

I can recommend also BMI Vario, only problem is they are not very sturdy unlike for example Hoffmann 46 2300/5 (Tajima). But if you need precision, this is it

 

[CGarage]

- Swiss 300 gram Gunsmith’s hammer
- Swiss Gunsmith’s mallet
- Stubai Germany 100 gram locksmith’s hammer

Also note, same identical hammer head forge markings on the “Swiss” 300g hammer and the Stubai hammer. I believe both hammer heads are from German origin and the handles are from Switzerland and Austria.

 

[CGarage]

Another Facom find, my beloved first set purchased in the 90s. Originally with 12 point fractional sockets. I changed these out for metric 6 point sockets.

 

[Dave455]

Another Facom find, my beloved first set purchased in the 90s. Originally with 12 point fractional sockets. I changed these out for metric 6 point sockets.

Lovely.

I remember those sets.

You can see how Facom was slowly moving from the very traditional sets, towards the “Nano” sets they produce today (still probably the best combination of quality, price, and compact packing for everyday use).

They say you never regret the things you didn’t buy! Not true, I can’t believe I didn’t buy one or more of those French made Facom sets in the red steel boxes!

Well, that and the green bezel Rolex Submariner I could have obtained, at a discount, and tax free…! Dohhh!

 

[f121]

They say you never regret the things you didn’t buy! Not true, I can’t believe I didn’t buy one or more of those French made Facom sets in the red steel boxes!

Well, that and the green bezel Rolex Submariner I could have obtained, at a discount, and tax free…! Dohhh!

Hah that is definitely incorrect. Funnily enough a Rolex is also on my list, along with a e30 m3 and a 110 v8, when both were affordable.

 

[CGarage]

Lovely.

I remember those sets.

You can see how Facom was slowly moving from the very traditional sets, towards the “Nano” sets they produce today (still probably the best combination of quality, price, and compact packing for everyday use).

They say you never regret the things you didn’t buy! Not true, I can’t believe I didn’t buy one or more of those French made Facom sets in the red steel boxes!

Well, that and the green bezel Rolex Submariner I could have obtained, at a discount, and tax free…! Dohhh!

This one pictured is in the plastic case. My other “dueling set” was in the steel case. The plastic red case set I bought first if I recall correctly, even though the red steel cases preceded the red plastic cases in Facom production.

I love the Nano sets!

Don’t fret about the Submariner! I don’t own a Rolex and not my style!!! Ever!

Far better off with an Omega, and if it is a dive watch, you should have a 50 Fathoms!

Wearing an English dive watch today from Elliot Brown. They supply to UK MOD and are top!!! Swiss movement as well and beautiful build- and English!!!

 

[Dave455]

Hah that is definitely incorrect. Funnily enough a Rolex is also on my list, along with a e30 m3 and a 110 v8, when both were affordable.

You’re definitely right about the E30 M3’s.

I have a friend with a low mileage one, two owners, always garaged. I once asked if he’d let me know if he was ever going to sell it, but I doubt I could afford it now.

Trouble is, we knew the E30’s were good, but newer was always an option. We never thought BM would start knocking out cars that are uglier than a bears ****, and contain 27 unfixable computers.