Tools from the old world

[aspera]

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5504355...versible-Ratchet-Type-Wrench---Patent-6666112

I went looking to see how GearWrenches are built and found a bunch of patent diagrams. Scroll down the page on the link and there are several ratchet patents. Gedore came up with the brilliant idea to build a ratchet wrench like a ratchet!

I'd like to see a side-by-side comparison with other ratcheting wrenches to see which ones have smaller heads, and which ones can handle the most torque.

 

[north]

Interesting stuff. I'll probably understand it too when the cotton-in-head inducing fever goes away. Man...

 

[Cantause]

Zum Beispiel, bottle opener. Made from the high grade titanium, leftovers of course.


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Someone might assume that it's not a tool, maybe, but not in Russia

it looks relly nice!
Actually I know some places where a bottle opener is an essential tool to keep the factory running

Knipex strippers are "made in germany" while the Pressmaster tools are "made in sweden". There are some differences in design etc. (metal jaws on the Knipex tool vs. plastic on the Pressmaster, pressure adjuster on the Pressmaster tool, slightly different lower handle design + joint design etc.)

I have the Facom version (since 1 year), called "Swingo", used it again this afternoon and still not convinced, for 75euros I wish I would have bought a regular automatic cable stripping plier...

@Cantause:
no question, Facom makes pretty (nice) tools, i was a big fan of Facom too, all their tools look nice (except maybe the extra long "40LA" series combo wrenches) but now since i can´t buy the "France" anymore i dont see paying their prices. The tools will work no question, the warranty seems to be good etc. but for me there is something "lost", the "identity"....

I totally agree with you, Facom is clearly overpriced now, they're destroying a well earned reputation, a pity... I bought my "basic" tools from them because I liked the design, actually except the ratchet and sockets they're almost all made in France (I bought some NOS on ebay). It's getting so hard to know which tool was made in France that I consider to go east and buy Gedore

However, I finally found (on ebay.de) my first combination wrench set! Facom (I know...) 40 series, made in France. I wasn't totally convinced by the 440 serie, I'm sure they're stronger and more ergonomic but I didn't like the finish and, most important, the ends are thicker than the 40 serie. I got 2 sets, 7-24 OGV (the one out of the bags) and 7-32 non OGV (still in the bags, I'm not sure I'm gonna keep them).
I think it's Facom at its pinacle, no bling-bling, smooth curves, excellent satin finish and nice stamping, no sharp edges, easy to clean

I also bought a Ruko step drill bits set from the same seller, I'm almost sure I've read somewhere that they're made in Germany, I'll tell you if they worth the money or not a few holes later

 

[Theloniousmonk]

FACOM 40'S

Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie!!!!

I now "need" to track down some Belzers too... thanks Monte!

 

[AlexRS]

Now I need to find some Facom 40's

I like my 440's but I love the old style made in France Facom

 

[Bolster]

Since I'm off topic I'll keep this really short, but I saw some of you had interest in bottle openers. Atwood Knife and Tool has made a sort of specialty out of creative bottle openers that have useful tool functions, check them out. This is the one I carry on a daily basis...

 

[spv]

Another Off-topic: Monte you have a PM.. Gedore Torcofix coming soon..

 

[Vinko]

Nice Ruko's. I've been looking at those myself.

 

[Monte]

@Moose:
the Matador tool (€9,50) should be here by the end of this week or in the beginning of next week and the Esgen tool should be here by the end of this week

Nice Belzer wrench.

yesssss !!!!!!

I went looking to see how GearWrenches are built and found a bunch of patent diagrams. Scroll down the page on the link and there are several ratchet patents. Gedore came up with the brilliant idea to build a ratchet wrench like a ratchet!

I'd like to see a side-by-side comparison with other ratcheting wrenches to see which ones have smaller heads, and which ones can handle the most torque.

A torque comparison of some ratcheting wrenches is here: (post #3)
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70947

Maybe we should start our own database of ratcheting wrenches with specifications ??

it looks relly nice!
Actually I know some places where a bottle opener is an essential tool to keep the factory running

lol

I have the Facom version (since 1 year), called "Swingo", used it again this afternoon and still not convinced, for 75euros I wish I would have bought a regular automatic cable stripping plier...

Which one and why ?? Whats wrong with this one ?

I totally agree with you, Facom is clearly overpriced now, they're destroying a well earned reputation, a pity... I bought my "basic" tools from them because I liked the design, actually except the ratchet and sockets they're almost all made in France (I bought some NOS on ebay). It's getting so hard to know which tool was made in France that I consider to go east and buy Gedore

go east lol but not too far ! Do you know how the Gedore tools look in real live ?? Are you sure you want that finish ? ?

However, I finally found (on ebay.de) my first combination wrench set! Facom (I know...) 40 series, made in France. I wasn't totally convinced by the 440 serie, I'm sure they're stronger and more ergonomic but I didn't like the finish and, most important, the ends are thicker than the 40 serie. I got 2 sets, 7-24 OGV (the one out of the bags) and 7-32 non OGV (still in the bags, I'm not sure I'm gonna keep them).
I think it's Facom at its pinacle, no bling-bling, smooth curves, excellent satin finish and nice stamping, no sharp edges, easy to clean

Sweet !!! Looks very nice !!!

I also bought a Ruko step drill bits set from the same seller, I'm almost sure I've read somewhere that they're made in Germany, I'll tell you if they worth the money or not a few holes later

nice !!
Regarding the COO of the Ruko step drills: this website says "Germany"
http://uk.farnell.com/ruko/101050-9/step-drill-4-12mmx1mm/dp/1368555

Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie!!!!

I now "need" to track down some Belzers too... thanks Monte!

you´re welcome !

Since I'm off topic I'll keep this really short, but I saw some of you had interest in bottle openers. Atwood Knife and Tool has made a sort of specialty out of creative bottle openers that have useful tool functions, check them out. This is the one I carry on a daily basis...

nice little expensive tools...

Another Off-topic: Monte you have a PM.. Gedore Torcofix coming soon..

i know Answer this evening - have to check the catalogs first

Nice Ruko's. I've been looking at those myself.

http://chadstoolbox.com/ruko.aspx







Found some more fresh pics of the new Gedore ratcheting wrenches:

ps: The wrenches will cost the same than their predecessors (at least until the end of this year)

The starter set with 4 wrenches for 41,95€ which comes in a pouch:

set in metal case:

7R wrench

7UR wrench

action shot

 

[Monte]

Finally Metabo now also has 10,8 Volt (1,5 AH) tools !!


Metabo "PowerMaxx 12" driver

Angle attachment. A chuck for the driver will be available too.

Metabo "PowerImpact 12" impact driver (105 NM)

"PowerLED 12" light

 

[superautobacs]

I went looking to see how GearWrenches are built and found a bunch of patent diagrams. Scroll down the page on the link and there are several ratchet patents. Gedore came up with the brilliant idea to build a ratchet wrench like a ratchet!

I'd like to see a side-by-side comparison with other ratcheting wrenches to see which ones have smaller heads, and which ones can handle the most torque.

Nothing new there. Been done and offered under different brands, just that the mechanism incorporates a 72-tooth or higher gear.



So, I gather that the Gedore has a lower tooth count than the conventional, modern rat. wrench. We all agree on that right?
Their promotional advertisement mentions that their mechanism has minimal backlash....as opposed to most other conventional, modern rat. wrenches out there. It'be interesting to compare the working angle with some typical Lea Way produced (Danaher Taiwan (GearWrench)), and a Kabo made one. I find the Kabo has the least amount of backlash.





EDIT: Cantause,

RE: current Facom
I think we can all blame Stanley for taking over Facom.

And oh, I haven't used my GreenLee branded Pressmaster much, but I sure love it over my previous version auto wire stripper. ....and can't complain especially at the price I got it for.

 

[stricht8]

Is the ratcheting mechanism on the Gedore also made in Germany?

@Moose:
the Matador tool (€9,50) should be here by the end of this week or in the beginning of next week and the Esgen tool should be here by the end of this week




yesssss !!!!!!



A torque comparison of some ratcheting wrenches is here: (post #3)
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70947

Maybe we should start our own database of ratcheting wrenches with specifications ??




lol



Which one and why ?? Whats wrong with this one ?



go east lol but not too far ! Do you know how the Gedore tools look in real live ?? Are you sure you want that finish ? ?



Sweet !!! Looks very nice !!!



nice !!
Regarding the COO of the Ruko step drills: this website says "Germany"
http://uk.farnell.com/ruko/101050-9/step-drill-4-12mmx1mm/dp/1368555




you´re welcome !




nice little expensive tools...




i know Answer this evening - have to check the catalogs first




http://chadstoolbox.com/ruko.aspx







Found some more fresh pics of the new Gedore ratcheting wrenches:

ps: The wrenches will cost the same than their predecessors (at least until the end of this year)

The starter set with 4 wrenches for 41,95€ which comes in a pouch:

set in metal case:

7R wrench

7UR wrench

action shot

 

[cranky]

those gedore spanners look nice never heard of gedore before though. think ill have a look on there website, whats the quality of the tools like, they certainly look nice

 

[Cantause]

Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie!!!!

Now I need to find some Facom 40's

I like my 440's but I love the old style made in France Facom

I like the 440 for their "innovative" design but I really don't understand why they made a sharp edge at the fork end..., it's also a pity that they're thicker than the 40, I guess it was nice to gain strenght but....

For those who want some Facom 40's, this ebay seller in Germany still have some 7 wrenches set (7-19) for 33 euros (sometimes on sale +16 shipping), it's a big shop so you may be interrested in buying other tools and save on shipping...

Nice Ruko's. I've been looking at those myself.

I bought mine for 40 euros on ebay.de (the set) which is fair if they're good quality, at least they look like, time will tell...
If you want to save money, look on ebay.de, I see them quite often on auction and german sellers are always willing to send their stuff abroad, even if it's mentioned Germany only.

Which one and why ?? Whats wrong with this one ?



go east lol but not too far ! Do you know how the Gedore tools look in real live ?? Are you sure you want that finish ? ?


Regarding the COO of the Ruko step drills: this website says "Germany".

Thanks for the COO and trying to contaminate me with Gedore
Actually I haven't seen any recent Gedore tool, but from the pictures, satin finish seems 'coarser" than Facom's, I'd like to see how it feels with my hands, maybe with a small set of their new ratcheting wrenches...

I was talking about the Facom Swingo strip plier, here is what I don't like compared to a traditional lateral automatic strip plier:
-Tear the sleeve (part not in contact with the blade) and cut some wires of the cable.
-Tuning is time and sometime cable (especially small ones) consuming when you use different cable sizes at each strip (usually what I do when re-wiring a motorcycle).
-Can't do "mono-wire" cable (at least from 1,5 mm2).

I prefer the traditional type, I agree it doesn't fit in tight spaces, which is quite useful sometimes and need some practice to choose quickly the right hole on the blade, I'll give a try to this one:

or this one for cut and strip in one take (but I'm a bit scared by Facom's "do it all" tools now)

EDIT: Cantause,

RE: current Facom
I think we can all blame Stanley for taking over Facom.

Yup, you didn't rescue France on this one
However I can't remember if the production already moved to asia before Facom was bought by Stanley (I was a bit young) or if it really started with Stanley (I mean with big factory shut down in France), could someone tell me?

 

[tonydanzah]

monte do you have a set of gearwrench to compare the gedores to?

 

[Moose-LandTran]

@Moose:
the Matador tool (€9,50) should be here by the end of this week or in the beginning of next week and the Esgen tool should be here by the end of this week

Thanks, Monte!

I may need your help with some eBay.de things too if that's ok.

I have some of my own tools from the old world today!

My new DeWalt drill. It's an 18v XRP, i don't know the model number..

(Yes, it was made in Germany. The batteries were too.)

My new Elora 110 deep-crank ring spanners. Very nicely made, they'll look good with my other Elora spanners/wrenches.

Monte, have you any experience with Elora ratcheting wrenches? They make some flex combination ones that i'm interested in buying in the future.

 

[Monte]

Is the ratcheting mechanism on the Gedore also made in Germany?

i dont know - i guess yes. When they can make they own gears/pawls for their ratchets, then for the wrenches too i think.

on this pic if you look at number 9 you can also see the production steps at least from the "ring"

those gedore spanners look nice never heard of gedore before though. think ill have a look on there website, whats the quality of the tools like, they certainly look nice

www.gedore.de
Here´s a video about Gedore and their production: http://www.gedoretools.com/index.php?dispatch=pages.view&page_id=11
another one

Thanks for the COO and trying to contaminate me with Gedore
Actually I haven't seen any recent Gedore tool, but from the pictures, satin finish seems 'coarser" than Facom's, I'd like to see how it feels with my hands, maybe with a small set of their new ratcheting wrenches...

They feel like the Facom wrenches but sand blasted and then plated

I was talking about the Facom Swingo strip plier, here is what I don't like compared to a traditional lateral automatic strip plier:
-Tear the sleeve (part not in contact with the blade) and cut some wires of the cable.
-Tuning is time and sometime cable (especially small ones) consuming when you use different cable sizes at each strip (usually what I do when re-wiring a motorcycle).
-Can't do "mono-wire" cable (at least from 1,5 mm2).

I prefer the traditional type, I agree it doesn't fit in tight spaces, which is quite useful sometimes and need some practice to choose quickly the right hole on the blade, I'll give a try to this one:

or this one for cut and strip in one take (but I'm a bit scared by Facom's "do it all" tools now)

Didn´t have problems with cutting wires of the cable with my pliers (Knipex/Jokari type). The sides of the insulation is ripped off where the blade don´t cut thats right. They´re automatically adjusting though. I was thinking of the "Weidmüller" pliers which looks like the "Swingo" but instead of 2 blades it has like 30 or 40 (?) tiny blades which eventually also cut the sides of the insulation. Or take a plier with automatic adjustment like the Knipex Multistrip 10, maybe it won´t cut the wire itself (but probably will still rip the sides of the insulation)

Yup, you didn't rescue France on this one
However I can't remember if the production already moved to asia before Facom was bought by Stanley (I was a bit young) or if it really started with Stanley (I mean with big factory shut down in France), could someone tell me?

Somewhere here in this thread i posted a press release (or "investor relation" PDF) from Stanley were they said which plants, distribution centers etc. should be closed and how many people were laid off.


ps: here something for you on ebay.de

http://cgi.ebay.de/Fahne-Flagge-Fac...003301?pt=Reklame_Werbung&hash=item27b5557d65

monte do you have a set of gearwrench to compare the gedores to?

I only own a set from Gedore probably made by HiFive and a stubby set from Beta probably made by Infar. No original Gearwrench (difficult to find here). Since i collect 13mm combination wrenches i will add a original 13mm Gearwrench or rebadged Gearwrench tool (Kraftwerk e.g.) as well as the new Gedore + Hazet etc. ratcheting wrenches to the collection to make a comparison later this year.






Just found a new Flex polisher ! Flex POLISHFLEX PE 14-2 150
Looks like a competitor to the Festo Shinex

more info: http://www.productpilot.com/en/suppliers/flex-elektrowerkzeuge-gmbh/product/mf_bat_0000358962/en

 

[Monte]

Thanks, Monte!

I may need your help with some eBay.de things too if that's ok. .

no problem, except maybe if you want to buy a car or so

I have some of my own tools from the old world today! .

My new DeWalt drill. It's an 18v XRP, i don't know the model number..
(Yes, it was made in Germany. The batteries were too.)

what ?? Germany ??? are you sure ??? ??? Do you have a proof ??
I thought they´re from Czech Republic or Mexico ?
btw: nice drill !

My new Elora 110 deep-crank ring spanners. Very nicely made, they'll look good with my other Elora spanners/wrenches.

nice !! looking good !! Elora has a nice satin finish !

Monte, have you any experience with Elora ratcheting wrenches? They make some flex combination ones that i'm interested in buying in the future.

no experience with them. I doubt that you will find "Germany" on them. The manufacturer of the Elora ratcheting wrenches is "Chang Loon" i think.
If you look at the Elora catalog and their reversible wrenches i think you will find this


So it depends if you can get the "Elora" wrenches for a good price or if there is not a better offer from Gearwrench or Draper etc. (or if you want the "Elora" name on the tools)

 

[american lockpicker]

German Dewalts? Your lucky we have the choice between China and Mexico.

 

[AlexRS]

German Dewalts? Your lucky we have the choice between China and Mexico.

At least you don't have the choice between China and China like us, German DeWalt is a rare sight here

@Cantause: Thanks for the eBay link

 

[Moose-LandTran]

no problem, except maybe if you want to buy a car or so

Damn, i wanted you to find me a nice Golf 4Motion TDI.

Nah, maybe some special sockets.

what ?? Germany ??? are you sure ??? ??? Do you have a proof ??
I thought they´re from Czech Republic or Mexico ?
btw: nice drill !

It says Germany on the drill and on the batteries. I will take some pics tomorrow and post them. My 12v says China i think. Maybe i missed something? On the label on the drill it says Germany. The chuck is a Rohm, made in Germany.

Thank you, it's a very good drill and i like it a lot already!

nice !! looking good !! Elora has a nice satin finish !

Thanks. They're really nicely made and finished. I like the satin too. Great wrenches.

no experience with them. I doubt that you will find "Germany" on them. The manufacturer of the Elora ratcheting wrenches is "Chang Loon" i think.
If you look at the Elora catalog and their reversible wrenches i think you will find this

So it depends if you can get the "Elora" wrenches for a good price or if there is not a better offer from Gearwrench or Draper etc. (or if you want the "Elora" name on the tools)

I thought they may be imported. The pictures i've seen show no country of origin mark which is disappointing. I really like Elora tools so it would be nice to have these to match, but if they're not from Germany i'll go with Gearwrench as they're cheaper.

 

[american lockpicker]

At Grangier the corded Dewalt drills that are Chinese have German made rohm chucks.

 

[Tool Pants]

I bought this Stahlwillie 3/8" flex head at the flea market. Very unusual to find something like this at the flea I go to. Looks like it was made out of Legos.

 

[Monte]

Damn, i wanted you to find me a nice Golf 4Motion TDI.

Nah, maybe some special sockets.

sorry to difficult to ship
but sockets are ok !!

It says Germany on the drill and on the batteries. I will take some pics tomorrow and post them. My 12v says China i think. Maybe i missed something? On the label on the drill it says Germany. The chuck is a Rohm, made in Germany.

I think that´s just their adress... "Idstein, Germany" or so...
There are also Hitachi + Makita drills with Röhm chucks...
Which model is you Dewalt drill ? DCD925B2 ? If it´s the DCD925 you can click here and then click on the part numbers to see the country of origin of each individual part of your drill.

I thought they may be imported. The pictures i've seen show no country of origin mark which is disappointing. I really like Elora tools so it would be nice to have these to match, but if they're not from Germany i'll go with Gearwrench as they're cheaper.

yes makes more sense.... or wait until they make their own.........if.....ever....

I bought this Stahlwillie 3/8" flex head at the flea market. Very unusual to find something like this at the flea I go to. Looks like it was made out of Legos.

wow cool find !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nice !!!!!! My favourite flex head ratchet !!!





Picked up my new old vise today. It´s a Leinen vise with 150mm jaw width.

now i have to find green "hammered paint" so it once will look like new again

 

[AlexRS]

@Monte: Nice Leinen vise

For hammered paint you can try Hammerite but the green is darker -> http://www.hammerite.co.uk/products/ps_metalmaster_paint.html

 

[Monte]

@Monte: Nice Leinen vise

For hammered paint you can try Hammerite but the green is darker -> http://www.hammerite.co.uk/products/ps_metalmaster_paint.html

Thanks !
yes it´s too dark unfortunately. On ebay i found this green from "Büchner":
I think I´ll get a can of this to paint my 125mm + the new 150mm vise

and a can of light blue for my 100mm Heuer vise

"Zerem" 8-in-1 socket wrench (a.k.a. dogbone wrench) from Germany made by "Eugen Zerver" in Remscheid.

once available also in the US for $3.98 click

patented in feb. 1952

from a old magazine:

 

[MogeraCND]

Maybe old new about a week old...
The Japanese tool manufcture AIGO・相伍工業　went backrupt...
Sorry... i couldn't find any English page... quite a bad translation done by google..
http://translate.google.co.jp/trans....yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20100922-00000163-mailo-l15
original yahoo news...
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20100922-00000163-mailo-l15

i got email from the DIY tool shop saying that AIGO went under...
Getting metric ko-ken socket set soon...

I apologize for hijacking the thread

 

[superautobacs]

Toolpants,

Indeed, a rare find at a North American flea market! I wonder how much you snagged that up for?


Monte,

Nice to have a second Leinen vice!


MogeraCND,

That's too bad. to see a company that's been around for that long go under.

 

[american lockpicker]

Heres a tool I got in the mail a few minutes ago. Its a "French Army Knife" although its better suited for a picnic or something.

 

[Monte]

@MogeraCND:
That´s sad to hear.... too bad.... especially when it´s a tool manufacturer.....


@superautobacs:
Yes very nice !


@american lockpicker:
"Knife made in France" ? And the spoon + fork ? ?
ps: what´s that for a quote ???


@Moose:
Your "Esgen" tool is here....it says "Mark-Line" though....

(sorry couldn´t resist to post some pics )

 

[north]

@Moose:
Your "Esgen" tool is here....it says "Mark-Line" though....

Monte - The Tool Fixer GmbH.

 

[american lockpicker]

@ monte Its something I found while reading through this thread...

 

[Monte]

Monte - The Tool Fixer GmbH.

@ monte Its something I found while reading through this thread...

but then you have to add the pic to your signature too

 

[american lockpicker]

I would but its a bit big... Maybe as an avatar...

 

[Monte]

lol yeah that looks good !!!!

 

[american lockpicker]

Also I noticed in the window shopping pictures that you look like Col. Klink.

 

[Monte]

loooool yes almost !!!
But i wear glasses and no monocle and i don´t have such a uniform

 

[AlexRS]

Also I noticed in the window shopping pictures that you look like Col. Klink.

____

Just received this

 

[superautobacs]

I think there was a recent post questioning about the origins of some Facom hand tools. Here's a picture that Monte posted some time ago:


I'm assuming that the Gemonio plant in Italy is producing the roto head ratchet mechanism (or wholly?) for Facom, USAG, Pastorino, and Proto.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

@Moose:
Your "Esgen" tool is here....it says "Mark-Line" though....

(sorry couldn´t resist to post some pics )

OOOOOH!

I have an Esgen XZN M4 screwdriver that also says Mark-Line on it. Don't be sorry, i was going to ask you to take pics. Take pics of the Matador one too when it arrives!