Tools from the old world

[american lockpicker]

Welcome to the forum Lukas.

 

[north]

Hello Lukas. Welcome. Looking forward to see your tools.

 

[Monte]

Looks like the hoffman-tools.com site is only in German and only ships to Germany... pity, although probably wouldn't be economical to ship anyways, but it's neat stuff they have.

Unfortunately the website don´t work at my computer !?!?!? So i can´t comment... ps: The official Hoffmann partner in the US is: www.toolcribinc.com

Thanks, Monte! I'm going to get one for my dad.

good idea !

Thanks! Will definitely be getting a set of these soon. Because i need more screwdrivers.. I only have about 250.

Only 250 ??? I feel sorry for you dude !!! I think i should send you a care package with more drivers !! j/k

They look really useful and i often need long screwdriver bits (more torque) so these are perfect. And i want the "bumblebee" handles!

but they don´t transform !!!!

Hello from Poland. I'm impressed by selection of tools and all the knowledge gathered in this thread. Tomorrow i'll take some pics of my tools from the old world.

Hi Lukas ! Welcome on board !

 

[Steve_P]

I'm a newish member here and have been going thru this thread catching up and have to say this is very impressive. Go Monte! Keep the pics coming. I don't have a lot of "old world" tools but have been introduced to Wiha on this board and so far are very impressed with their quality.

 

[Gmonkee]

An old Gedore found in the shop, late 70s or so. Looks rough but a very good tool to use.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Hello from Poland. I'm impressed by selection of tools and all the knowledge gathered in this thread. Tomorrow i'll take some pics of my tools from the old world.

Cześć, Lukas!

Only 250 ??? I feel sorry for you dude !!! I think i should send you a care package with more drivers !! j/k

I know.

Need more screwdrivers.. And sockets.. And Ratchets.. And... More everything..

but they don´t transform !!!!

Didn't know there was a Transformer called "Bumblebee".. (Never seen Transformers.)

I just meant their likeness to a real one!

 

[Moose-LandTran]

More tools from the old world:

Esgen/Mark-Line and Matador trim tools:

Elora screwdrivers:

Many thanks to Monte for these. He knows how much i like Elora tools!

And Some Hazet and Stahlwille long Torx drivers:

 

[Lukas]

Hello guys, thanks for welcome.
Old Gedore ratchet with new gear insert.

Lux screwdrivers, made by Felo

Older Gedore screwdrivers

Gedore 6101 spanners, very flat design(2.2mm head thickness) designed for bicycle wheel hubs. Sometimes useful in tight spaces.

Gedore spark plug tubular spanner

Knipex rope wire cutter

Bo(e)cker tubular 10mm socket with red acetate handle

Wera L-shape hex keys, 'hex plus' drive. Use them on bolts with slightly damaged hex insert, normally I prefer regular tight fitting Bondhus.

Matador combination spanners, 19 and 8mm, biggest and smallest from set.

bicycle crankset axle mechanism socket by Unior of Slovenia

(Quality of pics could be better, gotta do something with that white 'burned' spots on shiny surfaces and sharpness).

Next time maybe some tools made in Poland, from Soviet Union times. Very few hand tools are still made in my country, and design didn't changed much in last 20-30 years, so people prefer to buy shiny imported ****. One of biggest producers is Kuznia(in polish it means forge(?), place where things are forged) Sulkowice(town in Poland). http://www.kuznia-narzedzia.com.pl/oferta.php?k=1

 

[Steve_P]

3/4" Japanese torque wrench next to a 3/8 proto for comparison. Looks like the head design is a copy of the proto. Is anyone familiar with Johnichi? Timeframe would be late 80s early 90s. As you can see, it's a big wrench but "only" ~200 lbf-ft capacity.

 

[Steve_P]

some vintage german micrometers, 0-1", 1-2". Does anyone know if these are pre ~1945? I wouldn't think they're that old, but I am sure they're 30+ yrs old and they are marked germany

the above pic is the 1-2" one. I couldn't find a mfg marking on this.

the above is the 0-1" one. Looks like the mfg is "Supreme". Anyone know anything about them? Yeah I know, google....

the 0-1" one

 

[Timmerz]

These are pictures of some of the tools from the Belzer took kit I posted last week. The pictures of the hammer is for Hlidskjalf.

 

[Monte]

Looks like the hoffman-tools.com site is only in German and only ships to Germany... pity, although probably wouldn't be economical to ship anyways, but it's neat stuff they have.

website works now for me, it seems germany only....
http://www.hoffmann-tools.com/

I'm a newish member here and have been going thru this thread catching up and have to say this is very impressive. Go Monte! Keep the pics coming. I don't have a lot of "old world" tools but have been introduced to Wiha on this board and so far are very impressed with their quality.

post them !

An old Gedore found in the shop, late 70s or so. Looks rough but a very good tool to use.

nice ! The "Bollywood" version !

I know.
Need more screwdrivers.. And sockets.. And Ratchets.. And... More everything..

Didn't know there was a Transformer called "Bumblebee".. (Never seen Transformers.)

what !!!! ?? Go to the video shop !!

Elora screwdrivers:
Many thanks to Monte for these. He knows how much i like Elora tools!

yup i know

Next time maybe some tools made in Poland, from Soviet Union times. Very few hand tools are still made in my country, and design didn't changed much in last 20-30 years, so people prefer to buy shiny imported ****. One of biggest producers is Kuznia(in polish it means forge(?), place where things are forged) Sulkowice(town in Poland). http://www.kuznia-narzedzia.com.pl/oferta.php?k=1

Nice tools !!!! The Gedore bicycle wrenches are cool !!!
Thank you for the link too ! The only tools from Poland i know are "Bass" and "Yato" (But they look like imported tools...)

3/4" Japanese torque wrench next to a 3/8 proto for comparison. Looks like the head design is a copy of the proto. Is anyone familiar with Johnichi? Timeframe would be late 80s early 90s. As you can see, it's a big wrench but "only" ~200 lbf-ft capacity.

It´s Tohnichi www.tohnichi.jp

some vintage german micrometers, 0-1", 1-2". Does anyone know if these are pre ~1945? I wouldn't think they're that old, but I am sure they're 30+ yrs old and they are marked germany

Never heard of "Supreme", sounds like a english name... I´m not very familiar with measuring tools, they were and are dozens of "manufacturers" which once existed and some still exist... Horex, Preisser, Helios, Mahr, Vogel, Ultra, Hartig... etc.... but who of them (or others) produced the micrometers and when i don´t know.
A company who makes similar looking mics with the "wheel" is Hartig:
www.hartig-germany.com

 

[Lukas]

Nice tools !!!! The Gedore bicycle wrenches are cool !!!
Thank you for the link too ! The only tools from Poland i know are "Bass" and "Yato" (But they look like imported tools...)

Yes, they are importers. I guess polish tool producers are still concentrated mainly on professionals and industry: mines, ironworks etc., large customers. It's hard to compete with importers in non-professional market, there is lack of knowledge about tools and lack of something we call 'technical culture'. Sometimes when talking about tools i hear "this is very good producer, i put 2m pipe on my ratchet and it didn't broke!".
Other producers I know are:
http://www.vis.com.pl/en/index.php
http://www.bison-bial.pl/index.php?lang=en
http://www.globus-wapienica.eu/
http://www2.romaniktools.com/ (garden&forest tools)



I forgot to ask earlier. I want to buy some good two speed drill. I was thinking of Fein DSeu 638, but I saw new BOP 10-2, and now I'm confused. BOP has more power but it's rated to 10mm in steel(DSeu 638 13mm), why is that? More power but less torque, or BOP has chuck up to 10mm? Do you know if DSeu 638 has metal gearbox(is that black part of drill painted metal or some plastic?). Or maybe Bosch GBM 13-2 RE, or something from Metabo, Kress would be sufficient(but Fein is so sweet orange)? BTW, how much is Fein systainer in Germany? Too many questions.

 

[thomfr]

Hi,

I'm very satisfied with my Metabo BHE24 (not a two speed but a very sturdy machine with metal gearbox inside and outside with a very good price to performance) Had a lot of heavy work during a rebuilt but stil works like on the first day.

For battery powered (lighter work) I love my Makita BDF442 but that is a different story.

Thom

 

[Moose-LandTran]

It's hard to compete with importers in non-professional market, there is lack of knowledge about tools and lack of something we call 'technical culture'. Sometimes when talking about tools i hear "this is very good producer, i put 2m pipe on my ratchet and it didn't broke!".

I've worked with a few Polish mechanics, they had an "individual" way of working.

They were all good mechanics though and i've still never met a single Polish person i didn't like, they're all very nice people. We had two Polish guys work on our house a few years ago and they were great guys, would like to see them again.

 

[spv]

A couple of recent Mitutoyo micrometer purchases. I am still looking for the 75-100mm digital. I have a Mitutoyo Bore Gauge (50-160mm) and Mitutoyo Dial Indicator with magnetic base on the way (postage is slow..). Pics to come.

On the Micrometers; the thimble and ratchet mechanism are similar to use. I get accurate repeatable readings every time. I have been won-over by the Mitutoyo quality. These are spot on!

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Spv, are they made in Japan? I could do with a good micrometer and Vernier caliper set.

 

[spv]

Spv, are they made in Japan? I could do with a good micrometer and Vernier caliper set.

They sure are made in Japan. Brilliant quality. Very smooth and readings are reproducible every time. These are one purchase that I have been extremely pleased with. If I had to choose between thimble and ratchet I would go with thimble mechanism. That said there is absolutely nothing wrong with the ratchet mechanism.

As far as calipers, I am running Australian (read Taiwanese) Sidchrome. They are not the best but do the job for fairly imprecise readings. I will likely upgrade to some Mitutoyos soon.

 

[Steve_P]

here's some of my Japanese mfg measuring tools. I have two 0-.5" Mitutoyo indicators; the digital is both inch and mm (aren't all?), the dial is inch; the dial mitutoyo is my go-to indicator and is really, really nice. I also have a newer Peacock (japan) 1" dial indicator. IMO it is also very high quality but does not sell for anywhere near what mitutoyo does. Also a Mitutoyo vernier mm caliper which is very nice. The Mitutoyo stuff is ~early 90s vintage; the Peacock I bought in ~2005, I think from Enco. I also have two Mitutoyo indicator bases but when I checked them they were made in Brazil, which really surprised me since they are also early 90s vintage- so no pics of them. Of course there is nothing wrong with them, they are beautiful and work fine- go Brazil!

Other Japanese stuff I have is a Fuller (japanese) adjustable wrench which, believe it or not, is the best made adjustable wrench I have; very tight tolerance on the moving jaw. Note I only use them for things like plumbing work around the house, but it is superior to my collection of Crescent, Williams, Proto, Utica, Craftsman, etc, adj wrenches. The vintage US stuff is all inherited - I don't have an adjustable wrench fetish but I guess my dad did LOL!

More Japan stuff, I have Truecraft, 70-80s vintage, adjustable wrenches, sockets, etc; it is all nice but nothing special- this is when Japan was viewed like China is today. And a few Tone sockets which seem to be very high quality.

For vintage Euorpean tools, I think I only have: a Knipex "alligator" pliers, forged in West Germany, but I think we've seen enough of them to know what they look like, and a few Swiss/German made files.

 

[Steve_P]

some "low tech" Japanese measuring tools. The pointy thing is a "tapered gauge" and very useful for inspecting a part on check gauge- for measuring gaps. I used to have a bunch of these but everyone that I show them to loves them and I've given most of my stock away. Of course I guess I don't have much use for them anymore...

nundeska; anyone read kanji?

 

[101% Loko]

Paquimetro MAUb, Made in Poland

Chave Multidentada Feelisch, 8mm, W.Germany

 

[Monte]

Yes, they are importers. I guess polish tool producers are still concentrated mainly on professionals and industry: mines, ironworks etc., large customers. It's hard to compete with importers in non-professional market, there is lack of knowledge about tools and lack of something we call 'technical culture'.

yeah i agree ! difficult times...

Sometimes when talking about tools i hear "this is very good producer, i put 2m pipe on my ratchet and it didn't broke!".:shocking:

But it´s a good test !!

Other producers I know are:
http://www.vis.com.pl/en/index.php
http://www.bison-bial.pl/index.php?lang=en
http://www.globus-wapienica.eu/
http://www2.romaniktools.com/ (garden&forest tools)

Thanks for the links !

I forgot to ask earlier. I want to buy some good two speed drill. I was thinking of Fein DSeu 638, but I saw new BOP 10-2, and now I'm confused. BOP has more power but it's rated to 10mm in steel(DSeu 638 13mm), why is that? More power but less torque, or BOP has chuck up to 10mm? Do you know if DSeu 638 has metal gearbox(is that black part of drill painted metal or some plastic?). Or maybe Bosch GBM 13-2 RE, or something from Metabo, Kress would be sufficient(but Fein is so sweet orange)? BTW, how much is Fein systainer in Germany? Too many questions.

The BOP 10-2 has a 13mm chuck. The 638 has a plastic gearbox.
I´m not sure why the 638 drill is rated 13mm in steel the BOP 10mm, because the BOP is rated 35mm/25mm in wood the 638 is rated 32mm/20mm. For Aluminium the 638 again has higher capacity. (Thread cutting both rated at M10)

I guess it should be no problem to drill also with 13mm bits but since Fein tools are made for the industry someone might want to use the drill 8 hours a day to drill with a 13mm bit in like 8mm or 10mm thick material so this might be too much then so they say 10mm maximum. Maybe they bring out a new 13mm drill with more power later ??

But the main question is for what do you want to use the drill ? Do you have other drills or just the 1 then ? For larger things like step drill bits, hole saws etc. I would look for a more powerful drill (also if you use wire wheels, 3M cleaning discs etc.) If you mainly use drill bits up to 10mm and occasionally up to 13mm i would not hesitate to buy the Fein which is probably the best drill manufactured nowadays ! D)

btw: Do you know www.duss.de ??

The Fein drill in a case (no systainer) is 20.- more. Individually sold i dont know maybe 25 to 30.- ? ps: found this but for the polisher:
http://www.j-kesselshop.de/fein-werkzeugkoffer-fuer-wpo.html

@Steve P:
nice collection of measuring tools !!!!!!!!!!
I can´t read japanese but nice Shinwa rulers !!
(and cute penguin )

Paquimetro MAUb, Made in Poland
Chave Multidentada Feelisch, 8mm, W.Germany

Isn´t it "FWP" brand ?? Maybe a connection or made by: "FWP VIS"
http://www.vis.com.pl/en/index.php?id=1990

btw: www.feelisch.de








Added this 13mm "Connex" combination wrench to my 13mm combination wrench collection

 

[impulse922]

here's my mitutoyo, posted it in another thread awhile back and never did post it here...

 

[american lockpicker]

Got a new Bosch planer today thats made in Switzerland.

 

[Theloniousmonk]

SK's from france, kleins from US, wrights from US, Felos from germany...

- celly pic, largest i can do.

the mitutoya's are saucy! i want some.

 

[Monte]

Got a new Bosch planer today thats made in Switzerland.

good buy ! pics ??

SK's from france, kleins from US, wrights from US, Felos from germany...

nice setup !





Received 2 Hazet brochures. One about Torx tools from 1989 and the other about torque wrenches from 1987

back in the days...

nowadays....

 

[Vinko]

Got a new Bosch planer today thats made in Switzerland.

cool. what model & where?

 

[spv]

@Monte Torcofix is here and some new Stahlwille gear.. pics coming soon! Btw that Hazet torque wrench with "box" is mad!

Any recommendations for a 3/4 socket set inc ratchet? I would buy a Nepros in a heartbeat if it existed! Looks like the choice is Stahlwille, Hazet, Gedore or Beta/Facom (both Taiwanese made?)..

 

[american lockpicker]

@ Monte Heres some pics.

Heres a group photo with some mystery tool at the bottom from Rowenta.

 

[Theloniousmonk]

@ monte: holy moly! that 6700tAC must have been fun to work with... when was it available? 70's? 80's?

@americanlockpicker: that is some nice bosch gear. how do you like your cordless?

 

[american lockpicker]

@ Theloniousmonk I love it. If you can find someone who has one and try it(I was in luck as my uncle had the NiCd version.) Also I'm thinking of getting a "bare" 18V cordless grinder to go with it as they share batteries.

 

[Monte]

@Monte Torcofix is here and some new Stahlwille gear.. pics coming soon! Btw that Hazet torque wrench with "box" is mad!

cooool !!! Stahlwille pliers ?? pics !!!!

Any recommendations for a 3/4 socket set inc ratchet? I would buy a Nepros in a heartbeat if it existed! Looks like the choice is Stahlwille, Hazet, Gedore or Beta/Facom (both Taiwanese made?)..

Email Nepros maybe they make a set for you
What do you prefer ? Fine tooth ? Coarse tooth ? "Push through" or reversible ratchet ? Removeable handle or solid ? plastic or metal handle ? Price range ?
You can´t go wrong with one of brands you mentioned...

@ Monte Heres some pics.

thank you !!

Heres a group photo

nice collection !! There are some siblings missing though !

with some mystery tool at the bottom from Rowenta.

@ monte: holy moly! that 6700tAC must have been fun to work with... when was it available? 70's? 80's?

the brochure is from 1987, but i don´t know when it was introduced or abolished. I could live with an old one though - the cheapest wrench of the new version is $1238.-






Gedore drop forged bottle opener:

the collection

in action

these are still missing

 

[Vinko]

@lockpicker: If the price on Amazon (about $115) for the 3365 planer are for the Swiss model, that's a hell of a deal for a quality power tool. Might just have to seriously think about it...

 

[spv]

cooool !!! Stahlwille pliers ?? pics !!!!

You mean these?

cooool !!! Stahlwille pliers ?? pics !!!!
Email Nepros maybe they make a set for you

I emailed KTC. Unfortunately no 3/4 Nepros sets. Only 1/4, 3/8, 1/2. That said, I am pretty sure a non Nepros branded KTC does 3/4.

cooool !!! Stahlwille pliers ?? pics !!!!
What do you prefer ? Fine tooth ? Coarse tooth ? "Push through" or reversible ratchet ? Removeable handle or solid ? plastic or metal handle ? Price range ?
You can´t go wrong with one of brands you mentioned...

To be honest, I have not set a budget, or even have a preference at this stage. I am looking for a set that is strong, precision fit and is not made in Taiwan! I REALLY like the looks of the Beta sets, but I have a sneaking suspicion that they are made in Taiwan the same as the Facom sets. I am looking for quality that lasts a lifetime. That leaves me with the 3 remaining German manufacturers.. choices, choices..

 

[spv]

Stahlwille, Stahlwille, Stahlwille.. The latest arrivals;

And my Gedore Torcofix (thanks to Monte..):

 

[JayL]

Am not familiar with Elora prices. Is this used 3/8" drive metric kit worth $140? How much do you think it's worth?

Thanks

 

[american lockpicker]

@lockpicker: If the price on Amazon (about $115) for the 3365 planer are for the Swiss model, that's a hell of a deal for a quality power tool. Might just have to seriously think about it...

I paid under $95 including tax for it at Lowes but you have to act quick as they are clearing them out. Mine wasn't even on the shelf. Also go to the post office and get a change of address kit(have to ask) for the 10% off coupon or use a military ID(what I did.)

 

[Theloniousmonk]

Am not familiar with Elora prices. Is this used 3/8" drive metric kit worth $140? How much do you think it's worth?

Thanks

You need the drive bit for the ratchet, i think. IMO, $140 us is a bit high.



@spv: That is some nice kit you have there! The t. wrench looks awesome. How tight are the joints on the Stahl univ. sockets?

 

[JayL]

The ratchet has a 3/8" drive bit on the flip side. You can actually install an extension on the ratchet head.

I was thinking $140 was high too. How about say $100?

Thanks

 

[ricleh]

Any recommendations for a 3/4 socket set inc ratchet? I would buy a Nepros in a heartbeat if it existed! Looks like the choice is Stahlwille, Hazet, Gedore or Beta/Facom (both Taiwanese made?)..

Have you checked out Koken. They have very good quality 3/4" drive tools.