Tools from the old world
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Theloniousmonk
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Would you like me to rant in your review?
Bolster
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Goodness sakes, yes, please do.
Theloniousmonk
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okaydokey...
american lockpicker
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WOW you only paid $14 for those? Mine were $53 and even the cashier was shocked at the price and it was a trade store no less.
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works of art !!!!!!
Now if only we could have a few screwdrivers made from that stuff huh?
now that would be cool !!!!!!!!!
but too expensive i guess...
Interesting !!!! What is this tool used for ??
Thank you for the information !!!
:Originally Posted by Monte
yeah, or another scenario: They just took the pawl out of their U-20 ratchets and installed the 1/4" pawl in the small wrenches, the 3/8" pawl in the medium wrenches and the 1/2" pawl in the large wrenches ?
Haaa, interesting. ...but they don't look exactly the same though, correct?
I don´t know, i don´t have any of the U-20 ratchets... (yet
The drawing looks a bit different though
yeah , or they were referring their statement to the old "Kastar" style wrenches... ?
Now that's a fair comparison for sure.
yup
the 90 tooth ones ?
Yeah, both the 90 (EZ-red spline) and 72-tooth (Crescent and KTC 12-pt versions).
unforunately i never saw them over here...
yeahhhh but only slightly you can still buy them Unfortunately i don´t own a torque screwdriver, otherwise i could measure the drag.
Unfortunately i think that we won´t see more different "gear wrenches" from them. They offered the 2 imported wrench styles for several years, but didn´t offer flex heads, double-box etc. so don´t know if they now will make them on their own.....? I think the market here is not so big, i think companies wouldn´t outfit all their mechanics with like 3 or 4 different kinds (or even more) of "gear wrenches", and also the private user seem not to buy too many of these wrenches, some big box stores don´t even carry ratcheting wrenches, some stores yes but mostly 1 style, some have "Proxxon" and offer the combi version and double box ratcheting. At prices like 17.99€ for a 13mm Stanley ratcheting wrench it is also not very tempting for the consumer to buy these wrenches...
ps: Gedore offers 4 styles through their "Carolus" brand
http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Ringratsche...essel_c442.htm
Interesting to know that, Monte. I guess there's something about the North American garage junkies' psyche that makes them want to have the largest toolbox, oufitted with all the variations available for purchase. It's a generalization, but I'm guessing it's the opposite for the Europeans and Japanese?
I don´t know much about Japan but over here the general consumption is lower compared to the US. The average german household saves about 11.2 or 11.3% of the monthly income, in the US IIRC it was like 1% or lower. This might be a reason, another is the availability, "Gearwrench" basically is non existent over here so you can´t buy all the different wrenches. Probably not to compete with their customers like "Kraftwerk", so you can buy several kinds of "Gearwrench" tools from "Kraftwerk" but the consumer probably also don´t want to spend 100€ for a set of type "A" wrenches another 100 for a set type "B", 100.- for type "C" , 100.- for...... Since in most cases you have to do with maybe sizes like 8,10,13,17,19mm so that´s what the customer then buys but maybe just one type of wrench because they will more think about the most reasonable way to get the jon done.
Looking through the "Factory Gear" magazine you`ll also see no excessive amount of ratcheting wrenches (ok i only have 2 mags...), mostly one kind ,sometimes not even a complete set just a few (probably what they need for the specific job like 10,12,14mm etc.) or none at all (if i looked right) What did surprise me is the disorder in the boxes showed in the mag. I thought that they have orderly laid-out all tools with a pair of white gloves in every drawer
)) or use plastic trays or foam inserts. That really surprised me... I always thought they´re the "german asians" I tried to capture it in this pics:
The old style looks very nice too though !!!
The old wrench has a box width of 25.53 mm, the new 26.08 mm
How do you like it ?
$50 ? Dollar ? American Dollar ??
?? 
doh ! ps: Do you have a Cobra or NWS QuattroGripp ??
Found this hand sander once at the Samstagsales website and had to have one
Didn´t know before finding it at the site that we still make something like that over here (Luckily i found a dealer over here
)
american lockpicker
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How do you like it ?
Haven't used it yet but its very easy to adjust compared to Craftsman ones.
$50 ? Dollar ? American Dollar ??
ps: Do you have a Cobra or NWS QuattroGripp ??
Nope also as I was checking out the thought occurred to me that maybe I would be better off with a pair of Knipex(which seem better made and cost a lot less...) After I get the other pair they have I'll try some Knipex Cobras.
Found this hand sander once at the Samstagsales website and had to have one
(Luckily i found a dealer over here
I want one of those.
Damn they want paypal.I want one of those.
From their site:
"If you are happy with the total, you can usually pay with personal check, company check, cashier's check, money order, American Express, Visa, MasterCard, Discover, or pay with PayPal. For some orders over $700.00 and some special order items we require payment by bank wire transfer or Cashiers Check.
"
This Knipex Cobra has a similar functionality (VDE/Insulated version ONLY)
like the Bahco pliers:
http://www.knipex.com/index.php?id=1278&L=1
http://www.knipex.com/index.php?id=1216&L=1&page=group_detail&parentID=1324&groupID=1639
or give HIPA Tools a call and order the NWS QuattroGripp pliers:
Also a similar functionality like the Bahco pliers:
it is !
btw. pliers:
in a current DIY magazine is a pliers test with water pump pliers + combination pliers:
Link: http://www.selbst.de/sites/default/files/Test-Zangen-1010.pdf
in a current DIY magazine is a pliers test with water pump pliers + combination pliers:
Link: http://www.selbst.de/sites/default/files/Test-Zangen-1010.pdf
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Hello everyone. We'll be adding the 7 R and 7 UR models to the website in the next few days. They're will also be a 30% discount on select 7R and 7UR models, so stay tuned!
Thanks!
Theloniousmonk
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billymade
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All the gedore tools look awesome; they are very expensive however... "Gedoretools", can you tell us who the market is in the USA for this brand at this time? Is there a push to try to get into the USA marketplace more? I can see targeted industries like aerospace and wind power! Tell us more about Gedore... here in the USA! As if German tools are hard enough to find in the USA (aside from wiha, knipex and to a lesser degree wera); Gedore seem very scarce..... are they trying to change this? Any insight appreciated!
As if German tools are hard enough to find in the USA (aside from wiha, knipex and to a lesser degree wera); Gedore seem very scarce..... are they trying to change this? Any insight appreciated! american lockpicker
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A tool i saw at work today (at the company's hardware division, i sit in software, we only have computers).
10cm (approx. i didn't measure it) swedish made Bahco.
If thats still being made in Sweden do you know where I can get a new one at?
I only played with it at a fair, i like the idea that you just have to slide the jaw to the workpiece. Fast and easy !!! I only own a NWS version like that but still have my Cobras which i will not give away
I use it since several years so i have no problems pushing the button and releasing it or pushing it again to adjust it to the right size. Not as fast but I´m only a hobby mechanic so i have 24hrs. time Let us know when you updated the website !!
Is it a regular adjustable plier or is it a "push button" plier ? The joint looks strange
New Wera chiseldriver with 1/4" square drive in the striking cap:
Should be available soon in the US.
So you can attach different 1/4" drive tools like:
or:
in action
Cordlesss screwdriver. Literally
Theloniousmonk
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Jeff
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Monte...I've had my eye on those drivers for a while. Thanks for posting the action photos, it helped my decision to start collecting a set.
Don't forget "eye protection"
LOL yes !!!!!
how about that:
Corded screwdriver
Even the color matches !!! 
Impact screwdriver
I´m glad that i could help you to further increase your tool collection !!!
superautobacs
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I don´t know much about Japan but over here the general consumption is lower compared to the US. The average german household saves about 11.2 or 11.3% of the monthly income, in the US IIRC it was like 1% or lower. This might be a reason, another is the availability, "Gearwrench" basically is non existent over here so you can´t buy all the different wrenches. Probably not to compete with their customers like "Kraftwerk", so you can buy several kinds of "Gearwrench" tools from "Kraftwerk" but the consumer probably also don´t want to spend 100€ for a set of type "A" wrenches another 100 for a set type "B", 100.- for type "C" , 100.- for...... Since in most cases you have to do with maybe sizes like 8,10,13,17,19mm so that´s what the customer then buys but maybe just one type of wrench because they will more think about the most reasonable way to get the jon done.
Looking through the "Factory Gear" magazine you`ll also see no excessive amount of ratcheting wrenches (ok i only have 2 mags...), mostly one kind ,sometimes not even a complete set just a few (probably what they need for the specific job like 10,12,14mm etc.) or none at all (if i looked right) What did surprise me is the disorder in the boxes showed in the mag. I thought that they have orderly laid-out all tools with a pair of white gloves in every drawer
I'm not sure what your source is, regarding the % in savings, but the most recent investment report from my bank mentioned that the Canadians, for the first time, are now behind the Americans when it comes to saving their money.
When I went on my trip to Europe I hardly came across a store that sold ratcheting wrenches. When I did, it was just the standard length combi style in either non-rev. or reversible.
Perhaps a good percentage of tool users in Europe still view them as being gimmicky tools(?), like how many North Americans viewed them things over the past several years (I think they've slowly gained nation-wide acceptance over here...and hence, the variety is abundant, and with that comes the public's wants/needs to purchase the different types).
Regarding the FG mags...
Gotta remember that they have to carefully select which tool box/mechanics they want to feature. It's only one magazine per year, so they ought to make sure it's entertaining for the reader. Perhaps they just haven't featured that mechanic/tool box that fits that "German-Asian" theme.
This is enticing .... I may have to place another order in the near future.@TjoFrasse
Interesting joint on those pliers. I wonder what the vintage is.
These may just take the place in my toolbox set aside for PB Swiss. The fact that they have a square drive makes them so much more useful than a standard screwdriver. These are a "must have" in my book.
Jeff
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All the gedore tools look awesome; they are very expensive however... "Gedoretools", can you tell us who the market is in the USA for this brand at this time? Is there a push to try to get into the USA marketplace more? I can see targeted industries like aerospace and wind power! Tell us more about Gedore... here in the USA!
A VERY reliable source tells me that Chads should having Gedore available in the near future...
I finally sold my Snap-on cabinet and purchased this one. Although not the 179BIG, it is still very nice for my growing tool collection. I received it today after a short wait. Both the HAZET and Snap-on are very good quality, but I give the edge to Hazet. The wood top is simply beautiful.
It was shipped upside down
I need more wrenches!
I need more tools and money
Whats a setup like that go for.
Ill have to get some pictures of my wurth tool cart from Germany
american lockpicker
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@ Zer0cell look up Hazet Assistent.
@ Zer0cell look up Hazet Assistent.
Yep those would be nice to have on a jobsite to wheel around the customer's house... must be a time saver i would imagine
JayL
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Impact screwdriver
I´m glad that i could help you to further increase your tool collection !!!
Monte,
How is this IR impact Gun. Would you recommend it for the general commercial service use around the shop. I was planning to get several 231C but this is also on the short list. I wonder if it would be a better choice since it is only a few dollars more.
Thanks a lot.
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No, no new being made in Sweden. The current one to get should be a 221D, which is 113mm. COO of that i don't know, but probably France or Spain.
Is it a regular adjustable plier or is it a "push button" plier ? The joint looks strange
It's a slip joint style. The strange look is probably because of the size. The joint was only big on one side, the other side was flat. Worked great for tightening chassis connectors in small boxes.
So it's already time to replace my 900s? Ok
Does these have a new item nr?I'll try to remember to ask that. It was quite old and worn at least, the joint was quite sloppy.
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I have to take some more pictures. I have acquired several new HAZET tools since then
. I use the HAZET 173 more as a stationary toolbox and my HAZET 166 as the mobile unit. I place the necessary tools on the 166 and move it close to the car I am working on. I have a regular 2 car garage so that works very well for me . They are not cheap, but they are very well made
. I paid roughly half of the list price. I sold a Snap-On box to cover the cost.
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AutomatiquE
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Hi Monte...it's been a while !
Is your new Wera chiseldriver made in Germany or in Czech Rep. ?
Is your new Wera chiseldriver made in Germany or in Czech Rep. ?
blue dog
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Monte, i just wanted to take this opportunity to thank you for your contribution to this site on a daily basis. Your wealth of knowledge and willingness to share photo's of all the old world tools you come up with is
amazing.
to you.
amazing.
to you.Monte, i just wanted to take this opportunity to thank you for your contribution to this site on a daily basis. Your wealth of knowledge and willingness to share photo's of all the old world tools you come up with is
amazing.
That is so true. All hail Monte 'The Toolacle'.
american lockpicker
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Monte, i just wanted to take this opportunity to thank you for your contribution to this site on a daily basis. Your wealth of knowledge and willingness to share photo's of all the old world tools you come up with is
amazing.
I couldn't agree more. Had you not made this thread I would have no idea how many brands and tools are from the EU.
Theloniousmonk
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I blame Monte for my recent decrease in extra $$$. Thank you Monte - I joined the board when I happened upon this thread.
Me three, I can't stop looking at Hazet, Stahlwille, Facom, Knipex...Thinking about swapping about some SO gear for Hazet, just to check it out
I'm sick 
billymade
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I want to go back to Deutschland for some bratwurst AND SOME "Made in Germany" goodness.... Hazet, Gedore, Klann, Stahlwille.... the mind reels!
***** these tools are so expensive and so scarce in the USA!
***** these tools are so expensive and so scarce in the USA!
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