Tools from the old world

[american lockpicker]

What's what? the city of the tool?
Pecky is in Czech Republic, not too far from Brno (from the CZ rifles)...
for the tool, look at Facom's 75 series. (75.11/16 ("), 75.17 (mm), ...)

I meant the tool. Also I used to have a CZ...

 

[Cantause]

I've always used Facom sockets on my impact gun (or impact wrench, or how 'd you call them?) instead of the black impact sockets, and never had a problem. I've recently seen with my own eyes a new socket explode at work.
True, they aren't made for impact loading, but their former steel sure did hold up to that kind of abuse.

Welcome on GJ!

Well, I'm not sure if this kind of comparison really mean something...
It's already difficult to compare tool quality under normal use, so when abused it almost becomes impossible (same impact gun, same settings, same socket history,..).
I wouldn't say that older sockets were not made according to higher standard, at least because the manufacturing process wasn't as accurate as now so they had some margin, even if it cost more. I think that now they produce more efficiently (I mean in an economic way), and don't try to outpass the standards too much to reduce costs. For me, as long as a ratchet, wrench, socket, can hold the max torque specified by its standard during my whole life, I shouldn't have a lot of problems. I always use the right tool for the right use, I would never put a 1m pipe on a ratchet so I feel quite safe

 

[king nero]

Welcome on GJ!

Thx! I feel quite at home here

Well, I'm not sure if this kind of comparison really mean something...

True, however if an experiment is conducted on a large scale and gives the same results, you can dismiss variables such as socket history, used couple, ...
I just tried to illustrate my opinion. I do not encourage anyone to use these sockets on an impact gun.

I am not trying to be funny nor smartass, however I've seen many ratchets and sockets break under normal conditions, Facom also has new but old-school style torque wrenches, I've seen them break at about 1/3 of their capacity. Where I work there are over 200 man using Facom stuff, the amount of guarantee-return tools in the last half year we used Facom was unreal.

I always use the right tool for the right use

That's rule No. 1.
you know rule No. 2 and 3 ?

No. 1: always use the right tool for the job.
No. 2: a hammer is the right tool for any job.
No. 3: in case of emergency, anything can be used as a hammer.

 

[Cantause]

Héhé, my postman just delivered one of my parcels blocked by the snow, it's christmas everyday this week

I'll take some closer pics later, but here it is (and no Facom)

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There are:
-Wiha Inomic pliers
-Wiha vde screwdrivers
-Wera vde screwdrivers
-Wiha stuby screwdrivers (with bit magazine)
-Wera screw holders
-Wiha magic ring hex keys
-Stoko hand cleaner
-Bosch C3 battery charger

I finally have some christmas presents for my family

 

[Cantause]

True, however if an experiment is conducted on a large scale and gives the same results, you can dismiss variables such as socket history, used couple, ...
I just tried to illustrate my opinion. I do not encourage anyone to use these sockets on an impact gun.

Actually what I meant was that comparing tools out of their normal use environment and then use the test results to judge their qualities under normal use is risky.

It's like to say "an Audi sinks more rapidly in the water than a Traban, so Trabans are better". It's true, but it's a useful feature only if you plan to use your car in the water, I personally don't

That's rule No. 1.
you know rule No. 2 and 3 ?

No. 1: always use the right tool for the job.
No. 2: a hammer is the right tool for any job.
No. 3: in case of emergency, anything can be used as a hammer.

Lol, I've a friend who respect this rule almost all the time, but in complement he also use an angle die grinder, never saw him using it as a hammer yet

 

[Jononon]

I'd be interested and more than a little surprised to see a Facom ratchet of any current pattern marked France. Aside from the rotator, they've been produced by USAG (now SWK Utensilerie S.r.l.), in Figino Serenza, for over 20 years. Nothing has changed post-Stanley in this respect.

The map is slightly incorrect for the Italian tools, Gemonio is the head office rather than the factory.

 

[Cantause]

These use the same sizing as the PB Swiss, so I figured I'll try them.

Are these parallel tips? are they that better compared to regular tips?

I'd be interested and more than a little surprised to see a Facom ratchet of any current pattern marked France.

I may be wrong but I've always thought that Facom's ratchet with "Facom+model number" written in a satin "cut" on the metal part of the handle had France on it (or the other side).
Do you know if Usag also make Facom's sockets?
I care about the coo not really for the quality (I think that China can make excellent products), but in order to have my money spent in companies which employ local people

 

[Monte]

Sent them an email.

@Sharkin: wow sweet Irega wrench !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! me want


@Lockpicker: very nice Facom pliers !!!!!!

Each time I tell myself, "I promise I won't buy any Facom, it's not a european manufacturer anymore", I think about these locking pliers and say, "they can't be completly bad if they produce such things".

at least the things they make in EU you could buy (the 500 series locking pliers for example )

Btw, Monte you have a T5.L locking plier I think, do you like it?

yes. I like it very much ! Very comfortable to work with, easy and smooth to release, best locking pliers ever (already mentioned in the locking pliers thread )

you could contact the customer service from www.facom.be and ask them about the COO of every tool when you give them the part number on the telephone.

btw. nice Wera bits and nutdrivers !!!! So how do you like the bench grinder ?? (no eye protectors ??)

Héhé, my postman just delivered one of my parcels blocked by the snow, it's christmas everyday this week

sweet !! everything double ??? One for you, one for give away ??
btw. where is the Bosch Charger made ? Why Bosch and no C-Tek etc. ?? (looking for a charger too)

What is this?

oh you meant the tool

Where I work there are over 200 man using Facom stuff, the amount of guarantee-return tools in the last half year we used Facom was unreal.

Welcome to the forum !!
try Hazet, Stahlwille, Gedore, Knipex, Felo etc.
ps: good tool wholesalers: www.goedde.be www.gebo-morshuis.nl
ps: do you have pics of your workplace ?

That's rule No. 1.
you know rule No. 2 and 3 ?

No. 1: always use the right tool for the job.
No. 2: a hammer is the right tool for any job.
No. 3: in case of emergency, anything can be used as a hammer.

These use the same sizing as the PB Swiss, so I figured I'll try them.

nice swiss type Hazet screwdrivers !!!


@Jononon
i bought the ratchet in the middle in April 2004. The ratchet on the bottom is the newer style. Maybe the "B" and "D" on the ratchets is a date code ??

btw. cheaper Lockjaw pliers: http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=lo...lockjaw&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313

 

[Jononon]

I may be wrong but I've always thought that Facom's ratchet with "Facom+model number" written in a satin "cut" on the metal part of the handle had France on it (or the other side).

The current pattern is smooth, with Facom and the model number etched into the metal, rather than in impressed panel. Production of that style started ~20 years ago (and included my very first Facom ratchet )

Edited to add: Like the ones in Monte's pic

Edited to add some more: Having said all that, there are still some impressed panel ratchets in the catalogue. They aren't the ones in stock in the UK. I begin to wonder if the COO isn't the same for all markets

*wanders off looking puzzled*
*will be phoning Facom with yet more tiresome queries*

 

[Monte]

@Jononon
already called Facom ???



new 2011 products from Gedore
60 degree angled combination pliers:

Knipex has a couple of new sets for 2011

http://www.knipex.com/index.php?id=1216&L=1&page=groups&parentID=1298&groupID=1586

and the Alligators are now also available in chrome and with comfort handles

New "Heyco" adjustable wrenches. Looks like the blue/yellow one from page 201
www.heyco-tools.de

Elora upgraded the design on several items, now with black/yellow handles. The website is brand new too http://elora.de

Kukko offers a new puller set with Wera Zyklop ratchet included www.kukko.com

 

[Theloniousmonk]

I'd be interested and more than a little surprised to see a Facom ratchet of any current pattern marked France. Aside from the rotator, they've been produced by USAG (now SWK Utensilerie S.r.l.), in Figino Serenza, for over 20 years. Nothing has changed post-Stanley in this respect.

The map is slightly incorrect for the Italian tools, Gemonio is the head office rather than the factory.

My 151 from late 90's vintage is french made (just like monte's)...

 

[Monte]

Witte also offers swiss norm parallel tip screwdrivers
http://www.witte-werkzeuge.de/index...on_lang=3&con_prod=174&con_kat=132&con_temp=7

(most likely also the OEM for Hazet)

Stahlwille too (OEM Witte) 4621 series

 

[Cantause]

at least the things they make in EU you could buy (the 500 series locking pliers for example )

yes. I like it very much ! Very comfortable to work with, easy and smooth to release, best locking pliers ever (already mentioned in the locking pliers thread )

The Facom 500 and T5 are on my wishlist

btw. nice Wera bits and nutdrivers !!!! So how do you like the bench grinder ?? (no eye protectors ??)

Thanks, I have not installed the eye protectors yet as the grinder will stay in its box a few months before I have time and place to install it... However it looks nice, the piece supports seems the "weak point"

sweet !! everything double ??? One for you, one for give away ??
btw. where is the Bosch Charger made ? Why Bosch and no C-Tek etc. ?? (looking for a charger too)

Yup I did my christmas shopping at the same time than regular shopping, or the opposite I'm not sure
One magic ring set is for my brother, an inomic plier too, the Wera vde set is for a friend of mine, the rest is for me

Actually I took a Bosch charger because it was the only "serious" brand of charger on the webshop where I ordered the other tools. I thought, "let's buy it, for 50 euros the features are nice, if I need something better in the future I will still have a use for this one...". Bosch makes a lot of car equipments, sell batteries, I haven't searched a lot, I simply assumed they had good knowledges to design a good charger.
Anyway my mom paid it, she has much more battery needs (2 cars and a lawn mower, soon a generator) than I have (motorbikes), something easy to operate was a plus.

It's made in China, the features are:
out voltage: 6v/12v
out current: 0,8A/3,8A
battery capacity: 1,2Ah/120Ah
Polarity inversion protection and easy to use (especially for my mom )

Yes they are parallel tips, which in my experience are *much* better than regular tips. I never used the other type Hazet screwdrivers I had, preferring the PB Swiss. Now I'll use these for a change and see how well they fare.

Thanks for the info, I'll try the PB for my next screwdrivers purchase

 

[weatmaster]

While picking up some other good stuff I spotted this one - its for sale and will go for a fair price - you need one Knut?

 

[american lockpicker]

George do you have any old Swiss made tools?

 

[king nero]

Welcome to the forum !!
try Hazet, Stahlwille, Gedore, Knipex, Felo etc.
ps: good tool wholesalers: www.goedde.be www.gebo-morshuis.nl
ps: do you have pics of your workplace ?

Thanks!

Thx for the tips, however I must say I know most of the local retailers and importers, including both you mentioned (even though I don't use them), as I do a lot of shopping (both personally as for work).

Would you mean pictures of the place where I work, if so I have to disappoint you but I cannot do so, as where I work we develop and build large derv and heavy oil engines (for marine), and discretion is wished.

If you want pictures of my personal shop, I will also have to disappoint you, for the reasons mentioned in my other thread.
Pics will follow soon though as the build progresses.

Nice to be aboard here...

For the VW fans: see attached pics, from an old case I once picked up somewhere...

 

[epiphany]

This set took me a while to assemble. NLA from Hazet.

Great view!


Wanted to collect some, too, because the gedore magic promotion advertise one set of five pieces. But i'm not sure if i would have any use for them. Do you use them often?

 

[american lockpicker]

No, unless you fancy stinking-handled PB screwdrivers...

Sure. Although I was hoping for powertools or basic handtools.

 

[american lockpicker]

Bosch is good I have quite a few of their tools all Swiss but the grinder.

 

[Monte]

The Facom 500 and T5 are on my wishlist

the piece supports seems the "weak point"

but i told you (and pictured it )
ooops forget to mention that you can´t angle the piece support (build my own adjustable one click) and that it comes without plug...

Actually I took a Bosch charger because it was the only "serious" brand of charger on the webshop where I ordered the other tools.

ah ok, i thought you did a research which is better etc. so i don´t have to figure it out which one to buy, the Bosch or C-Tek, Mawek , GYS etc.....(??)

While picking up some other good stuff I spotted this one - its for sale and will go for a fair price - you need one Knut?

mhh nice Schlegel vice....but i already have 3 vices.... (and only 2 workbenches ) The adjustable height one would be cool though..... but no € at the moment.... how much ???

My collection so far: (Don´t overlook the vice on the right )

150mm Leinen vs. 100mm Heuer

Thanks!

ok i see !! no problem !! Good luck with your rotating platform
Do you have pics of your "private tools" ?

For the VW fans: see attached pics, from an old case I once picked up somewhere...

nice !

Bosch is good I have quite a few of their tools all Swiss but the grinder.

Lamello + Trumpf are swiss made (at least the tool "heads")






There just was a "How it´s made" in TV about Gedore pliers.
Took a quick pic The VDE/Insulation testing machine where every plier is tested in a water bath for 10.000 volts:

 

[weatmaster]

mhh nice Schlegel vice....but i already have 3 vices.... (and only 2 workbenches ) The adjustable height one would be cool though..... but no € at the moment.... how much ???

I paid 110 Euro for the Heuer-Front mit wechselbaren Backen 140 mm and the lift.

 

[Cantause]

No, unless you fancy stinking-handled PB screwdrivers...

I've heard in a thread that some PB screwdriver's handles were stinky, are there specific models?

but i told you (and pictured it )
ooops forget to mention that you can´t angle the piece support (build my own adjustable one click) and that it comes without plug...

I know, you're an excellent salesman
It's the weak point but I don't mean it is useless, I just think that I'll replace it when I'll have a real milling machine (my next big investment).
So hopefully this summer I'll buy one of these german jewels and make a new piece support

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and that it comes without plug...

I have this, it should make the bench grinder a bit more german

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My collection so far: (Don´t overlook the vice on the right )

Waoww I forgot that you had an F150
It's really a monster, I guess 50-55 kg without the base? Damn it, shipping would be too expensive for me to buy one in Germany...
Anyway, I'm happy with the E125, thanks again for your advise!

 

[blue dog]

I have a drawer full of PB Swiss, never smell a thing, but i all so never stick them up my nose and take a good wiff.

 

[Cantause]

@ GeorgeK:
Thanks for the info, I'll take care about that when I'll buy some!

Here are closer pictures of the last tools I purchased.

Wiha MagicRing hex keys, screws are not glued on the key but it's held quite well, we'll see how it goes in the future...

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Wiha vde screwdrivers

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Wiha stubbies, finish is even better than I expected!

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Wiha Inomic vde

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Wera screw holder

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Some tools I have in my "**** box", beside half broken chinese real ****:

Hazet, Matador, Gedore wrench:

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Facom and Stanley wrench:

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Peugeot and Facom screwdrivers:

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[american lockpicker]

@ Monte I seem to remember Trumpf making the sheetmetal cutter but what does Lamello make?

@ Cantause Nice french tools.

 

[superautobacs]

For anyone intrigued about the mention of stinky PB screwdriver handles, here's your answer:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49262&highlight=eastman

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=762066&postcount=18



A Wera Vario handle that's been modified to fit standard 1/4" shanks, instead of Wera's 6mm shafts. The shanks fit with zero play now, thanks to Ko-ken's holding device. Now I can use Ko-ken's double-ended bits. The Wera bitholder has also been fitted with a 1/4" hex shaft, instead of the old 6mm.

 

[Monte]

I paid 110 Euro for the Heuer-Front mit wechselbaren Backen 140 mm and the lift.

cool !!!! Even the Klapp-Lift !!!!! nice haul !!!!!!!! me want

I've heard in a thread that some PB screwdriver's handles were stinky, are there specific models?

i have these PB´s in red + blue, stuck them in my nose but i smell nothing ? Maybe the ones which smell are for the chinese market because there everything smells like lead and chemicals so it doesn´t matter ?? And Harbour Freight customers should also have no problems with smelly tools .....

I know, you're an excellent salesman
It's the weak point but I don't mean it is useless, I just think that I'll replace it when I'll have a real milling machine (my next big investment).
So hopefully this summer I'll buy one of these german jewels and make a new piece support

hmm nice Deckel FP1 ! But the computer isn´t original ??? A buddies buddy has a FP2 and it came without computer thing. They reworked it and now it runs from a Laptop.

I have this, it should make the bench grinder a bit more german

yup

Waoww I forgot that you had an F150
It's really a monster, I guess 50-55 kg without the base? Damn it, shipping would be too expensive for me to buy one in Germany...
Anyway, I'm happy with the E125, thanks again for your advise!

The 125mm ist just fine, the 100mm version would be too small i guess , the 150mm is quite big (and high, and long) the 125mm is just right i think. It will stay on my main workbench. But i couldn´t resist to pick up the 150mm version since these vices are too amazing !!!


btw.:
nice german + french tools !!!!
a pic from the Bosch charger would be nice
The french Stanley wrench is interesting !!! First one in this thread iirc !!!

@ Monte I seem to remember Trumpf making the sheetmetal cutter but what does Lamello make?

http://www.trumpf-powertools.com/en.html
http://www.lamello.com/en.html
http://csaw.com/lamello/index.html
Mostly wood joining tools

A Wera Vario handle that's been modified to fit standard 1/4" shanks, instead of Wera's 6mm shafts. The shanks fit with zero play now, thanks to Ko-ken's holding device. Now I can use Ko-ken's double-ended bits. The Wera bitholder has also been fitted with a 1/4" hex shaft, instead of the old 6mm.

nice stuff !!!!





Sun motor tester ( One dude in the garage collects old machinery

Made in Holland !!

 

[american lockpicker]

Made in Holland Nice!!!

 

[superautobacs]

My handy little 1/4" Ko-ken breaker went through a bit of a makeover. I've wanted a beefier handle from before so that spinning the thing would be easier. I don't know how to weld, but even if I did, I don't have a facility to re-chrome it. I do have an angle grinder and a donor handle though.

This is what happened:

Before:

After dozens of passes with the grinder:

With the donor handle in the background:

The final product:

A fusion of Sweden, Japan, and France.

 

[superautobacs]

My Ko-ken stubby 3/8" ratchet....well, technically a multi-purpose ratchet:

Everytime I look at this thing, I always enjoy the beauty of the shape surrounding the directional lever. ...call me weird.

Of course, as originally intended, this multi-purpose ratchet performs in different ways:

This particular use is very similar to what you can do with an indexing swivel ratchet:

Or you can use it like this, either on the top side or bottom side of the ratchet. Note that the hole for the retention ball is intentionally drilled offset; not a manufacturing error.

This is probably the best option--using it as a longer flex-head ratchet. In this case, a 15" long flex-head:

 

[jk47]

Well done, very nice indeed !!!

 

[Krokodil]

Superautobacs, that is a awesome conversion! Did you rust treat and did you glue it or is it just friction fit?

 

[Cantause]

hmm nice Deckel FP1 ! But the computer isn´t original ??? A buddies buddy has a FP2 and it came without computer thing. They reworked it and now it runs from a Laptop.

I don't know a lot about Deckel's models options, so I can't say about the computer on this one, it's just a picture I found on the web.
I think that the FP1 has been produced for many years and that new options appeared during this time...
The FP2 is a bigger machine I think, and they had "fake" CNC on it (simple paths), with elctro-hydraulic commands. I guess that your buddy buddy's used stepper motor instead of directly control the hydraulic?
I don't know a lot about milling machines so please forgive me if I what I say is not exact. These are things I remember from threads on usinages.com a french machinist forum, I plan to ask there for advises when I'll buy, there are some sharp Deckel experts there
Anyway, I'd like a conventional FP1, with manual commands, to make single pieces which would take too long to sketch for CNC, engine repairs,...

The 125mm ist just fine, the 100mm version would be too small i guess , the 150mm is quite big (and high, and long) the 125mm is just right i think. It will stay on my main workbench. But i couldn´t resist to pick up the 150mm version since these vices are too amazing !!!

I understand, if I had a good oportunity to buy an F150 I would buy it too, these looks so good...

btw.:
nice german + french tools !!!!
a pic from the Bosch charger would be nice
The french Stanley wrench is interesting !!! First one in this thread iirc !!!

I thought that Stanley was from the US or UK, France seemed weird to me too...

Pics of the Bosch C3 charger

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Antother thing from my "****" box, Stanley ratcheting crewdriver, made in England.

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Bergeon watch tool, made in Switzerland.

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This is probably the best option--using it as a longer flex-head ratchet. In this case, a 15" long flex-head:

Waowww, this Nepros breaker and socket, look awesome!!! Nice mods on the Koken breaker too, do you plan the same mod for your Nepros breaker???
Yesterday I was a bit intrigued by the ratchets in your avatar, so I watched carefully and saw KTC, Nepros,...
This morning I've read the Nepros's thread
These tools look great! As some probably know, I mostly buy Facom, but I'm a bit sad how this company has become, so I was looking for an alternative...
I like the german quality, but the look of Gedore, Hazet, Stahlwille is more industrial, the thing I liked with Facom is their "classy" style (no offense to German tools of course, it's just my personal taste).
Nepros seem have the same "purified" style I liked in Facom (maybe even better ???).
It looks like the perfect partner to cheat on Facom

Where the story become sad is that the shop in Netherlands for europeans has far higher prices than the ones you get in the US (around twice as much and shipping is probably not cheaper...)

 

[Hazet]

I have been looking at Nepros. They are beautiful tools, too pretty to use. They are also a bargain when compared to Snap-On.

Here is what I received for Christmas. More is on the way. Both ratchets are new old stock ratchets (the 863N does not have the quick release button on newer ratchets).

Here are all the 1/4" ratchets.

 

[superautobacs]

@Krokodil,

It's a tight friction fit. The handle is going no where.


@Cantause,

Yeah, I wouldn't dare to do it with a Nepros breaker. ....and besides, it can't be done as the end of the handle is machined hollow.

Yeah, I think Facom might get a bit jealous with your new "partner"


@Hazet,

Looks like one happy 1/4" family.

 

[Monte]

My handy little 1/4" Ko-ken breaker went through a bit of a makeover. I've wanted a beefier handle from before so that spinning the thing would be easier. I don't know how to weld, but even if I did, I don't have a facility to re-chrome it. I do have an angle grinder and a donor handle though.

The final product:

A fusion of Sweden, Japan, and France.

Sweet !!!!!!! nice idea !!!! (btw. which grinder did you use ?? )
ps: What socket it is ??? Looks like PB Swiss ??

My Ko-ken stubby 3/8" ratchet....well, technically a multi-purpose ratchet:

cool tool !!!!!
ps: Looks like a copy from Snap-On

Everytime I look at this thing, I always enjoy the beauty of the shape surrounding the directional lever. ...call me weird.

you are weird
(no not really ! Looks good ! )

I don't know a lot about Deckel's models options, so I can't say about the computer on this one, it's just a picture I found on the web.

sorry i have no clue about milling machines ... The CNC computer thing just looked "new" compared to the FP1 thats why i was asking.... The buddies FP2 had a big computer like a wardrobe as big as the mill itself, now the laptop. But maybe later they had the small computer thingies. Like i said i have no clue

I understand, if I had a good oportunity to buy an F150 I would buy it too, these looks so good...

coolest looking vices ever

Pics of the Bosch C3 charger

Thanks !! looks good !


@Hazet:
nice collection !!!!!!!!!!!!







Was looking around in a tool store today and found something from a "New World" brand but made in the "old world"

 

[american lockpicker]

@ Monte Its made in Mexico here.

 

[bg819]

Knipex, Hazet, NWS, Gedore and any other brand I fail to mention. Who makes the best pliers? I want to buy one brand that will last me. Thanks.

 

[treasureseeker]

I purchase this Hazet set from Germany(eBay) early this month but Santa hasn’t showed up yet. It is a couple hundred less than Chads but I don’t know what addition cost it will come with.
I like Knipex best so far.

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[Hazet]

Knipex, Hazet, NWS, Gedore and any other brand I fail to mention. Who makes the best pliers? I want to buy one brand that will last me. Thanks.

All those you mention are excellent quality tools (I personally prefer the Hazet sand blasted finish and the Gedore pliers). There is also Stahlwille and Facom (still made in France). Knipex is probably the easiest to buy here in the States and also the cheapest. NWS is very hard to get here in USA.

@treasureseeker
Even with the additional fees it will be substantially less than Chadstool box. The wait time from Chadstool box is ridiculous (it took 4 months for one of my ratchets).