Tools from the old world

[dede2897234]

Sick Puppy,

In regards to the Sunflag Offset 4-Way screwdriver, the two ends (part chrome knurling, part ribbed black plastic) that accept the bits do not turn. However, they provide extra grip and torque while turning the screwdriver.


Dave

 

[Rocklim]

Hi,
i just called Facom, the BC124PB Battery charger is made in Poland.

(btw: Facom + "Made in...." U.48PB = France, 821415 = Germany, 84TCS.J4PB = Italy, 985895 = France




I´m not really into woodworking, basically just need a saw to cut 1 or 2 pieces of wood which is faster than to take the jigsaw (unwrap the cord, insert the blade, put in the plug...and vice versa...), but i will try a pull saw since as a "tool expert" you should own every tool anyway (my role model is Tim Taylor )

ps: some more japanese saws:

www.samurai-saws.com
www.silkysaws.com
www.ars-edge.co.jp




German ??




240 Volt in USA ?




Thanks for the link !




i guess the Padre ratchet is made by Elora

btw: nice ratchets !!!

Hard to find 220V Festool in USA ?

Sick Puppy,

In regards to the Sunflag Offset 4-Way screwdriver, the two ends (part chrome knurling, part ribbed black plastic) that accept the bits do not turn. However, they provide extra grip and torque while turning the screwdriver.


Dave

I saw it before in Ace Hardware Shop

 

[Monte]

Fixed it German is fine.

ok i will try it next time

Thanks Monte.

The ratchets are 32 teeth but have "tight" smooth ratcheting action.

I was with the idea that Padre made their own tools but seems like they also brand name OEM ones.

I think "Padre" (= Padre + Tirem [hand punches + chisels] + Ceder [Tin snips] + Zangenmann [Bolt cutters] + Benscheidt [chisels for electric/air tools]) mainly make punches + chisels, tin snips, bolt cutters and things like that.
www.padre.de

Hard to find 220V Festool in USA ?

i think in the USA they only have 110 Volt
www.festoolusa.com

 

[JayL]

@JayL
I have a similar Elora ratchet , but it has a black handle.

Yeah. I was expecting the Elora ratchet to have a black handle before I saw it.

 

[JayL]

@ Joki

How much did you pay for your Elora ratchet?

Thanks

 

[Theloniousmonk]

OK, is it just me, or does the Bahco ratchet look like an olskool Facom 151 series ratchet? Nice pieces!

 

[NY Old Guy]

Gentlemen, are FACOM sockets and ratchets made in France or eastern Europe or Asia? I was looking at a 1/2 inch drive set on ebay and thought it looked like a fair deal but that was assuming it was made in France rather than Taiwan or China.

 

[Jononon]

Gentlemen, are FACOM sockets and ratchets made in France or eastern Europe or Asia?

Yes. What's the part number?

 

[Theloniousmonk]

Gentlemen, are FACOM sockets and ratchets made in France or eastern Europe or Asia? I was looking at a 1/2 inch drive set on ebay and thought it looked like a fair deal but that was assuming it was made in France rather than Taiwan or China.

Yes. What's the part number?

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88672

I would contact the seller on this one... it looks like a NOS photo, but the set could be brand new and not NOS.

 

[NY Old Guy]

OK, I have asked. If it is made in France is it a bargain price or still a bit expensive anyways. For some reason i feel drawn to this set as if by an invisible magnet.

 

[Theloniousmonk]

OK, I have asked. If it is made in France is it a bargain price or still a bit expensive anyways. For some reason i feel drawn to this set as if by an invisible magnet.

IMO, i think it's a good price for the set - considering what is available from other sellers... but you may want to wait for other opinions.

 

[Hazet]

The Made in France ratchets have a different neck (indented stamp)

The newer style (no COO)

I have a MOD.S1 (Made in France) that I can sell you for the same price ($215 delivered within the USA)

 

[Jononon]

Yes. What's the part number?

I must apologise, this sounded really arsey. All I meant was that there are multiple COOs even for only those items.

The newer style (no COO)

Italy, Taiwan, Italy. (Assuming Facom don't tell COO fibs (which, as they're a Stanley company...))

 

[american lockpicker]

As soon as I get my Alpen drill bits I'm going after a French made Facom ratchet and maybe some sockets.

 

[tony p]

re. Facom 'palm' ratchets...
<< The Made in France ratchets have a different neck (indented stamp) >>

Not always... I have R161 ratchets that are the "smooth neck" style (no indented panel) suggested above to be 'Italy' but still bear the 'France' on the underside - as well as a later one which is the same except for omission of COO.

There are also 'smooth neck' older French ones in 3/8 and 1/2 too - as well as more recent ones with the indented panel) so that doesn't really work as a means of identifying COO. Made in France ones generally had 'France' on the underside. But whether lack of COO marking means they are definitely not is a matter of debate, I think.

 

[JayL]

How much do you think are these worth? All in slightly used and mint condition.

All 1/2" drive tools

Padre Racthet ( the one posted previously )
Padre 10" extension
Padre 5" extension
Padre T-handle
Padre Universal Joint
Padre 17mm socket
All Made in Germany

Thanks

 

[TjoFrasse]

THanks for the link - kinda hurts to see the price though - it's about half what I'm going to be paying for the same one... the lower spec model here is more expensive than that!

I know what you mean. At the local Bauhaus it would have cost around €120 for just the IB/E and €30 for the holder, so ordering from Germany really was worth it for me (like always). Germany generally has lower prices than Sweden (and lower VAT), but on tools the difference seems to be bigger than normal. I get jealous every time i see what things cost in USA though...

 

[maxipouce]

How much do you think are these worth? All in slightly used and mint condition.

All 1/2" drive tools

Padre Racthet ( the one posted previously )
Padre 10" extension
Padre 5" extension
Padre T-handle
Padre Universal Joint
Padre 17mm socket
All Made in Germany

Thanks

If i had to buy them I wouldn't pay more than 20-25€, but I am a bargain ******* .

 

[RLYoung]

Any idea on this guys? I searched the forum and didn't find anything like it.

EDIT: I mean, I know what it is, but any info on the manufacturer?

 

[Monte]

How much do you think are these worth? All in slightly used and mint condition.

All 1/2" drive tools

Padre Racthet ( the one posted previously )
Padre 10" extension
Padre 5" extension
Padre T-handle
Padre Universal Joint
Padre 17mm socket
All Made in Germany

Thanks

$50.- for everything ?

Any idea on this guys? I searched the forum and didn't find anything like it.

EDIT: I mean, I know what it is, but any info on the manufacturer?

Vauxhall ?? its a car brand from the UK

 

[Sick Puppy]

Any idea on this guys? I searched the forum and didn't find anything like it.

EDIT: I mean, I know what it is, but any info on the manufacturer?

Without knowing for sure...

Without knowing where you are located, Vauxhall is an old UK car maker that got bought out by General Motors. There is a fair bit of badge engineering with their cars, and they are sold in NZ as Holden, Europe as Opel, etc.

Likely to be part of an old tool kit like the ford wrenches were.

 

[Jeff]

 

[RLYoung]

Without knowing for sure...

Without knowing where you are located, Vauxhall is an old UK car maker that got bought out by General Motors. There is a fiar bit of badge engineering with their cars, and they are sold in NZ as Holden, Europe as Opel, etc.

Likely to be part of an old tool kit like the ford wrenches were.

I'm in the US, which probably explains why I know nothing of this. It seems damn old, but who knows. Would it be considered a "Tool for the old world?" Collectibility?

 

[Cantause]

Hi guys I have a funny one with Facom's customer service, I wrote them an e-mail because from the size 18 and up the inside of their sockets seems coated with a mat silver matérial, brittle and easy to remove. When you remove an extension you always see some small flakes falling dawn, I wonder what it was, not chrome definitely.
When you remove it you see shiny chrome just the same as 17 sockets and smallers.

Facom told me it was a paint to protect steel because they didn't chrome plate the inside of their sockets as it was useless
It's really strange because what's under this "paint" looks really like chrome and it would be normal, I wonder if that guy knew what he was talking about...?

My second question was about 5 tools COOs, they simply answered, "Facom produces from various locations and it doesn't affect quality, don't worry"
I don't think they consider it could affect what people (me) want to buy from them...

I also received a few new tools:

Dako pliers, I have just tried the big one on some pipes I had to remove, I already don't regret my purchase, it didn't slip once

<a href="http://s739.photobucket.com/albums/xx39/cantause/?action=view&current=IMG_1296.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx39/cantause/IMG_1296.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Facom hose removal tool, great quality but no coo (tool nor package):

<a href="http://s739.photobucket.com/albums/xx39/cantause/?action=view&current=IMG_1298.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx39/cantause/IMG_1298.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

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[Monte]

Facom told me it was a paint to protect steel because they didn't chrome plate the inside of their sockets as it was useless
It's really strange because what's under this "paint" looks really like chrome and it would be normal, I wonder if that guy knew what he was talking about...?

Member "Chreese" posted once that his Stahlwille 3/4" sockets are also painted silver inside, because they can´t plate the inside or something like that. Maybe the chrome you see is nickel ?

My second question was about 5 tools COOs, they simply answered, "Facom produces from various locations and it doesn't affect quality, don't worry"
I don't think they consider it could affect what people (me) want to buy from them...

for more Facom COO see my post #4393 on page 220

I also received a few new tools:

Dako pliers, I have just tried the big one on some pipes I had to remove, I already don't regret my purchase, it didn't slip once

nice !!!!

Facom hose removal tool, great quality but no coo (tool nor package):

i guess france. Looks almost like their oil filter tool which is from france
ps: nice tool !

 

[north]

*snip*

My second question was about 5 tools COOs, they simply answered, "Facom produces from various locations and it doesn't affect quality, don't worry"
I don't think they consider it could affect what people (me) want to buy from them...

I also received a few new tools:

*snip*

I sent Facom an email myself yesterday asking about COO on some specific tools and some tools in general and kinda expect the same answer. Maybe my email will be read by someone with a clue that also is willing to share... We'll see.

'Wrong' COO is not a deal killer for me, just interested in the history.

And nice tools there Cantause.

 

[Monte]

@cantause:
Bosch answered regarding the GWS 15-125 CITH vs. GWS 15-125 CIEH:
The CITH has a 20% higher torque at the spindle, hence it slows down later at same load. At same load the RPM of the CITH stays longer constant with the no-load RPM. The motor will be cooled better and its better for overload. If you stay below 1500 Watt you will have a higher speed which is also better for the abrasives, if you use the grinder above the nominal power of 1500 watts then a tool with higher torque and stiffer speed characteristic is better. (CITH)

 

[Cantause]

@ Monte:

Thanks for the info about the angle grinder master Monte!

So I'll go for the CITH model, it seems that 9300 rpm motor is the "diesel" version of the angle grinder

Concerning Facom coating, it might be just nickel in the inside, but the guy told me it was naked steel...

btw Abco told me that my Mega jack would arrive in England during the third week of February
I guess the cargo ship from China got lost on his trip to Spain
I hope that the quality will last, but one thing is already sure, I forgot the price

@North:

I hope that you'll be more lucky than me with Facom!
I don't really care about Coo for quality reasons but because I like to spend my money in companies that employ local people, who could buy things from me.
I really like capitlism, because it let you the opportunity to act like a real socialist, just by making choices

Thanks for the tools, I really wanted this hose removal tool, I had an hard time a few weeks ago removing a turbo hose...

 

[north]

*snip*
I really like capitlism, because it let you the opportunity to act like a real socialist, just by making choices

*snip*

Cantause for President, King, Great Leader and what not!!!

 

[Monte]

@ Monte:
Thanks for the info about the angle grinder master Monte!

no problem ! I´m always there for you ....if you want to buy german made tools ...The rest i don´t know nothing about

So I'll go for the CITH model, it seems that 9300 rpm motor is the "diesel" version of the angle grinder

good explanation

Concerning Facom coating, it might be just nickel in the inside, but the guy told me it was naked steel...

The good thing is you could repaint the inside of the sockets if it should be bare steel Paint don´t adhere good on plated surfaces... How about a Facom red ??

btw Abco told me that my Mega jack would arrive in England during the third week of February
I guess the cargo ship from China got lost on his trip to Spain
I hope that the quality will last, but one thing is already sure, I forgot the price

i can look up the price for you ,
but damn thats long....maybe they still use sailing ships or rowing boats ......... cheaper you know ....no fuel....

I really like capitlism, because it let you the opportunity to act like a real socialist, just by making choices

Tool proletarians unite !

 

[mrtools]

32 teeth
sorry i couldnt resist to answer first

Thanks Monte for the quick answer

 

[tonydanzah]

where can i find dako pliers in the US, i keep seeing them in this thread. I saw HF had a cheap copy of them.

 

[mrtools]

mrtools,

Thanks for sharing pictures of your tool collection. Very impressive!

Do you use your tools on the job? If yes, would you mind sharing what you do for a living?

Does your local industrial tool supplier source the Japanese hand tools from a tool distributor in Japan?

How durable have your Vessel Megadora screwdrivers, KTC hex bit sockets, and Heyco Maxline wrenches been in use? How long have you owned each of these tools?


Thanks,

Dave

Hye Dave...
thanks bro

1) Yes..i used for my daily job...Im maintenance person..
2) Our local supplier have a direct contact to japan tools distributor
3) Vessel megadora : i used for 3 years..still in superb condition
KTC Hex bit : already 10 years...daily used
Heyco Maxline : already 5 year in my collection...used for pump and motor overhaul works ...superb

 

[mrtools]

Latest update for my HEYCO maxline..additional for 22mm

 

[mrtools]

My Vessel Megadora screwdriver TANG-THRU N0.930

MY WIHA collection

My old screwdriver FACOM france

MY AIGO locking plier and LOBSTER slip joint plier ( JAPAN )

 

[mrtools]

Can anybody tell me.who made this srewdriver? i found it with smith meter made in usa..design like WERA...

 

[mrtools]

What your opinion about this tool?
Im very disappointed about quality of this adjustable wrench :-
1) material
2) Finishing
3) Durability
4) Price - too expensive

* i think made/design by BAHCO..but quality not same as BAHCO tools

 

[mrtools]

My HEYCO Socket sets c/w TALENTA + EXT Bar + sliding T handle

 

[mrtools]

My old MARVEL (JIS) cable crimp

 

[mrtools]

My favorite tools
Test pen PHILLIPS made in germany + WERA testpen