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I really appreciate your kindness to upload this video . I also going to buy this jigsaw seen so many nice review in Amazon but my main plug is 240V
 
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Nepros makes very nice tools, but the selection is fairly small. Nepros are about 5% of my hand tools. Koken also makes some very nice tools and I am purchasing some now. I buy almost any tool if it is needed for a job and is good quality. I don't subscribe to the theory of only buying one brand or tools from one country.

to only own one brand is also quite boring imho and you can´t get everything from every manufacturer, and not everything from one manufacturer is good or better.

I have found recipro saws to be very useful in a variety of situations. You can never have too many blades. I picked up the Bahco blades very cheap from Harry Epstein and from a local seller on ebay.

I´m still not sure if i need a "sawzall" because there is always another tool (angle grinder, circular saw etc.) which can do the job (?) but i was thinking about one since a dealer here still has a NOS Bosch "made in USA" recipro saw laying around for a good price.

I am not a big fan of Bosch, but the industrial driver with adjustable torque is a very good tool, and I got it very cheap from a fellow GJ member. I took a chance and was pleasantly surprised. My experience with Bosch products in the past has not been good.

which Bosch products did/do you have ?

Many times I purchase a tool to see if the manufacturer makes a quality product. I value some other people's opinions, but I would rather decide for myself if I think a tool is good or if it is poor quality. That was the case with Nepros, KTC and Koken hand tools. I had no experience with either brand so I bought a few and was very impressed with the quality. I had the same experience with Fein and Metabo power tools. I have seen many tools on this thread that interest me, but some are hard to find in the U.S. I really enjoy reading this thread though, to see all the tools produced in other parts of the world that I never knew existed. I guess I will never stop buying tools.

yes that´s always the best, to look and try out a tool on your own. Only then YOU know if you will like it or not (ergonomics etc.)


If its serious or life threatening you can go to the hospital and they can't turn you away for an inability to pay. I'm not really sure how it works as I haven't been to a hospital or a doctor since losing insurance(because of my age) in 2006. If I'm ill theres not much I can do about it except get OTC medicine at a pharmacy. :(

How much is the insurance for an average citizen ?


@hammerhans:
thank you !


Yeah I got to try it out at Woodcraft. It didn't seem to cut as fast as my Bosch does but it may have been the blade I was using(different TPI, width, it could be dull, etc.) Someday I'll bring my Bosch and some blades there and try both to see whats best.

Which model ? Festool PS200 ? Trion ? Carvex ?
 
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to only own one brand is also quite boring imho and you can´t get everything from every manufacturer, and not everything from one manufacturer is good or better.

I agree.

How much is the insurance for an average citizen ?

I don't know. In order to get it you have to have a job and average 40 hours a week(every week or you lose it) and they take a significany amount out of your pay for it and on top of that you have to pay more money everytime you see a doctor and get drugs(called a copay I think.) I used to have Cigna until I was 18 through my dad's employer(couldn't get it back when I was working as I didn't average enough hours...) and those guys were fun. They okayed my dad getting his kneecaps replaced and afterwards pulled out all the money they paid leaving us with 10s of thousands in hospital bills. :mad:

Which model ? Festool PS200 ? Trion ? Carvex ?

It was this model.

http://www.woodcraft.com/Family/2006176/Festool-Pendulum-Barrel-Grip-Jigsaws.aspx

With full size dust extraction machine(a must have IMHO.)
 

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Just got 2 brand new HEYCO 50mm/46mm box wrenches. ( via WHIA USA )

Interestingly they say "W.-GERMANY" on them
Would have though everything would say just "GERMANY" by now
 
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Just got 2 brand new HEYCO 50mm/46mm box wrenches. ( via WHIA USA )

Interestingly they say "W.-GERMANY" on them
Would have though everything would say just "GERMANY" by now

I still see a lot of things that say W. Germany or West Germany even though its new production. For example a nutmeg grinder at TJ Maxx or this nail clipper case.
 

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I have a Bosch 1590EVSK jigsaw thats made in Switzerland.

I'll make a video here in a bit. :)

Wooow, you are so quick, one post saying about making a video and 20 minutes later the video on youtube ;)
Mine is Bosch GST135CE,and it seems a lot to yours (despite the handle) and still haven't cut anything with it... I'm so new with jigsaws that the first time I inserted the blade I did the wrong way (back to front).
Have you used it a lot?
Does the wood splinter a lot with it?
In such case, what do you do to avoid splintering?
And last question :bounce:, is vertically straight the cut?

Cheers.
 
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Wooow, you are so quick, one post saying about making a video and 20 minutes later the video on youtube ;)
Mine is Bosch GST135CE,and it seems a lot to yours (despite the handle) and still haven't cut anything with it... I'm so new with jigsaws that the first time I inserted the blade I did the wrong way (back to front).
Have you used it a lot?
Does the wood splinter a lot with it?
In such case, what do you do to avoid splintering?
And last question :bounce:, is vertically straight the cut?

Cheers.

I've used it once lol, yes the wood splinters but it comes with a few accessories to stop splintering, I haven't used them so I can't comment about its effectiveness, also it has a selector switch if you want it to cut straight or orbital.
 

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Pictures showing W.-GERMANY on new HEYCO box wrenches
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Servus,

welcome back !!!!!! :beer: :thumbup:

Thanks.

piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiics :D

Yep, will follow, thanks for your suggestions regarding image hosts.


yes, its good for cleaning threads and restore small damages. The good thing is you can start in the milddle or end of a screw/stud and dont have to screw down the restorer all the way down to the damaged area. I dont have any experiences with the internal restorers. Maybe you can find a NES set cheaper without the H.... name on

Thanks, that sounds good. Do you also own a thread file? Since a already have a thread file and a regular thread cutting set I could probably get along without the thread restorer. The (online) stores that seem to be highly regarded (thus trustworthy, e. g., Hermanns) only sell the more expensive line of NES tools. There aren't many sources for the cheaper NES thread restorers. Do you think the more expensive NES tools are worth the higher price compared to the ThreadMate™ Mini Kit?


i think there is a thread in the german forum about them

Yes, and on the various car polishing forums information can be found as well.

Anyone tried Festool Jigsaw ? Mind to share some experience or good for the jigsaw ?

Yes, I had the Festool PS 300 EQ "Trion" jigsaw. It was (and still is) a high-quality saw with a number of (more or less) unique features. You can find several reviews online, for example this one by Bill Esposito.
In Europe, Festool introduced the new PS 400 "Carvex" jigsaws (corded and cordless models) last year. I had the opportunity to test the Festool Carvex and the Mafell P1 cc jigsaw at a local store for woodworking tools and machinery. My thoughts on these two saws (and jigsaws in general) can be found here. If I recall correctly, the Mafell saw is already available in the USA. I don't know when Festool USA will offer the Carvex. If you don't urgently need a new jigsaw it might be worth to wait (for the introduction of the Carvex and/or a close-out-price for the Trion). Alternatively, you could purchase the Mafell P1 cc right now which is an excellent choice in my opinion. I ended up with this saw.
As for Bosch, I dislike their barrel grip saws because they don't feel comfortably in my hands. Besides, many users claim that their Bosch jigsaws heat up very quickly.
From the models mentioned in this post, the Festool Carvex and the Mafell P1 cc are clearly the jigsaws with the most outstanding and innovative features (with different approaches and focus though). The only other jigsaw that I could be tempted by is the Fein ASte 638. Fein's quality is usually excellent and I expect the ASte to be a smoothly running unit but it's not really oriented towards woodworkers' needs.

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Hope this helps,

Chreese
 

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Just got 2 brand new HEYCO 50mm/46mm box wrenches. ( via WHIA USA )

Interestingly they say "W.-GERMANY" on them
Would have though everything would say just "GERMANY" by now

West Germany markings are pre-wall. All of my SAE Heyco have West Germany while my metrics are all Germany.
 

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Gonna try out a Bessey F clamp. I looked at a lot of Bessey at Lowe's and almost all of it was Chinese made now. This wasn't. The Vise Grips are, too. :(

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Wooow, you are so quick, one post saying about making a video and 20 minutes later the video on youtube ;)
Mine is Bosch GST135CE,and it seems a lot to yours (despite the handle) and still haven't cut anything with it... I'm so new with jigsaws that the first time I inserted the blade I did the wrong way (back to front).
Have you used it a lot?
Does the wood splinter a lot with it?
In such case, what do you do to avoid splintering?
And last question :bounce:, is vertically straight the cut?

Cheers.

What the difference between Bosch GST135CE and Bosch GST 150CE other than the motor ? Precision Control ?

Servus,



Thanks.



Yep, will follow, thanks for your suggestions regarding image hosts.




Thanks, that sounds good. Do you also own a thread file? Since a already have a thread file and a regular thread cutting set I could probably get along without the thread restorer. The (online) stores that seem to be highly regarded (thus trustworthy, e. g., Hermanns) only sell the more expensive line of NES tools. There aren't many sources for the cheaper NES thread restorers. Do you think the more expensive NES tools are worth the higher price compared to the ThreadMate™ Mini Kit?




Yes, and on the various car polishing forums information can be found as well.



Yes, I had the Festool PS 300 EQ "Trion" jigsaw. It was (and still is) a high-quality saw with a number of (more or less) unique features. You can find several reviews online, for example this one by Bill Esposito.
In Europe, Festool introduced the new PS 400 "Carvex" jigsaws (corded and cordless models) last year. I had the opportunity to test the Festool Carvex and the Mafell P1 cc jigsaw at a local store for woodworking tools and machinery. My thoughts on these two saws (and jigsaws in general) can be found here. If I recall correctly, the Mafell saw is already available in the USA. I don't know when Festool USA will offer the Carvex. If you don't urgently need a new jigsaw it might be worth to wait (for the introduction of the Carvex and/or a close-out-price for the Trion). Alternatively, you could purchase the Mafell P1 cc right now which is an excellent choice in my opinion. I ended up with this saw.
As for Bosch, I dislike their barrel grip saws because they don't feel comfortably in my hands. Besides, many users claim that their Bosch jigsaws heat up very quickly.
From the models mentioned in this post, the Festool Carvex and the Mafell P1 cc are clearly the jigsaws with the most outstanding and innovative features (with different approaches and focus though). The only other jigsaw that I could be tempted by is the Fein ASte 638. Fein's quality is usually excellent and I expect the ASte to be a smoothly running unit but it's not really oriented towards woodworkers' needs.

Hope this helps,

Chreese

Do u try any Bosch Jigsaw before that ?
 

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n.b.: the Hilti jigsaw operates on same principle as the Bosch. At least on the blade exchange. And I've probably said too many times, but after owning both, and using both a lot, I prefer the Hilti for Balance.
 

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What the difference between Bosch GST135CE and Bosch GST 150CE other than the motor ? Precision Control ?

Well, to my inexperienced eyes both are pretty the same, both have the constant electronic and selectable speed, same weight, a bit more powerful the 150CE and it seems a bit more (without having tested it) ergonomic, having it more ruberized surface.
Chreese said many users complain about the Bosch jigsaws heating up very quickly, perhaps have at Bosch decided to cover part of the front of the saw with plastic to "solve" that issue.
The GST135CE seems to have the pendulum level selection made of aluminium instead of plastic... but I say this only after seeing the picture on the Bosch web.
But I understand I'm not the most suitable person to speak about that.

Cheers.
 

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What the difference between Bosch GST135CE and Bosch GST 150CE other than the motor ? Precision Control ?



Do u try any Bosch Jigsaw before that ?

My dad owns an older Bosch jigsaw that I used before I purchased the Festool Trion. And I have played with the GST 135 CE at stores. As mentioned above, this saw doesn't feel comfortable in my hands. It feels bulky in my hands and I can't hold it securely. Furthermore, the Festool Carvex and the Mafell P1 cc stand out with a variety of useful features Bosch doesn't offer. And even the Trion is a better choice compared to the Bosch in my opinion. While ergonomics may be a matter of personal preferences to a certain extent, cut quality is definitely not. Just check out this and this video in order to find out the differences between Festool's thoroughly designed zero-clearance-insert and the rather ineffective splinter guard Bosch uses.

@Monte:
Any suggestions for a rivet nut tool? It will only see random use.
Thanks.

Hope this helps,

Chreese
 
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Today I received an order from Stanley.

Made in Israel, Mexico, France, China...


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which Bosch products did/do you have ?

I have a reciprocating saw that was purchased about 15 years ago. I used it once and was very disappointed with the excessive vibration. Then I bought a Milwaukee Super Sawzall that I believe is superior in every way. That is still my main reciprocating saw. I bought an electronic variable speed belt sander that broke the first time I used it about 18 years ago. I returned it and bought a Porter Cable belt sander that is still going strong today. I also bought a Bosch **** hinge template kit about that time and a Bosch router. I returned the router and bought several different model Porter Cable routers which I still use today. I bought a Bosch jig saw about 10 years ago, but never use it as I much prefer my Fein ASte 638. I also have a Makita jig saw that is about 25 years old that I prefer to the Bosch on most things. I don't think all Bosch products are ****. I just have not had good experiences with their products personally so I no longer consider them when I am looking to make a purchase. For most power tools Fein gets my vote. Unfortunately it appears that they no longer export a lot of their tools to North America. They probably do not have a lot of sales due to the high cost of their tools. My personal experience with Fein tools has led me to the belief that the price is warranted. I've never had a problem with any of my Fein tools.
 
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It was this model.

http://www.woodcraft.com/Family/2006176/Festool-Pendulum-Barrel-Grip-Jigsaws.aspx

With full size dust extraction machine(a must have IMHO.)

hmmm maybe Bosch is simply stronger

btw: Trion
They still make the Trion but in a different dress :)

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Does the wood splinter a lot with it?
In such case, what do you do to avoid splintering?

which blades do you use in which wood ? You could tape the surface or saw from the other side for example.


Thanks, that sounds good. Do you also own a thread file? Since a already have a thread file and a regular thread cutting set I could probably get along without the thread restorer. The (online) stores that seem to be highly regarded (thus trustworthy, e. g., Hermanns) only sell the more expensive line of NES tools. There aren't many sources for the cheaper NES thread restorers. Do you think the more expensive NES tools are worth the higher price compared to the ThreadMate™ Mini Kit?

No, I don´t own a thread file. The more expensive tools have a higher capacity, like 19mm or so instead of 13mm, they look "stronger" too so maybe that´s why the price is higher i guess. Maybe the "Threadmate" is also more considered a hobby tool.



@Monte:
Any suggestions for a rivet nut tool? It will only see random use.
Thanks.

"Honsel", "Novus" and "Gesipa" come to my mind. Gesipa GBM10 or the deluxe version "FireFly" for example.
Which size do you need ?? M4, M5 M.... ?

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@Bhae:
nice french saws :)


@ricleh:

oh, that doesn´t sound good indeed. With such experiences I wouldn´t buy any products from them anymore too.
I only have 1 angle grinder from them, so I can´t say much. It works good so far (since 5 years) But companies like Fein are one step above Bosch + the others. But the price is also 1 or 2 steps above them , like Festool or Mafell too. I have power tools from 13 different brands but the only disappointing tools were the noname tools i once had and maybe the Makita 6270 cordless drill, but it´s only a entry level tool, maybe that´s why. Every manufacturer has his specialities, so for example Bosch has their angle grinders and "Boschhammer" drills, Festool the sanders + saws, Makita the cordless tools etc. so i think it´s the best to look out for these tools.
 

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Mrtools, I like the cutting mat, I'll have to have a look for one here! I had a lok at shipping one from Malaysia, but I didn't like the $50NZD shipping charge lol

That right!! a shipping charge more expensive than cutting mat price:confused::mad:
Better look at ur local dealer, u can get a better quality & good price too:)
 

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@ricleh:

oh, that doesn´t sound good indeed. With such experiences I wouldn´t buy any products from them anymore too.
I only have 1 angle grinder from them, so I can´t say much. It works good so far (since 5 years) But companies like Fein are one step above Bosch + the others. But the price is also 1 or 2 steps above them , like Festool or Mafell too. I have power tools from 13 different brands but the only disappointing tools were the noname tools i once had and maybe the Makita 6270 cordless drill, but it´s only a entry level tool, maybe that´s why. Every manufacturer has his specialities, so for example Bosch has their angle grinders and "Boschhammer" drills, Festool the sanders + saws, Makita the cordless tools etc. so i think it´s the best to look out for these tools.

I totally agree. I don't want to seem like I am just picking on Bosch either. I also avoid Dewalt and the new Porter Cable and Milwaukee tools. Delta also seems to have gone downhill. I'm glad I have tools from these companies that were made when they seemed to care about quality. It seems harder to find good quality in almost anything in the U.S. anymore. A lot of it has to do with the mentality of the consumer here. Cheap throw away items are what sells. People complain about quality, but don't want to pay for it. I just have to do more research to find manufacturers that still produce fine quality products. Sadly very few are here in the U.S.
 

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Old skool HEYCO crimping tools (West Germany)
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Old skool Vernier Caliper ( made in japan )
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I got these Willi Hahn Torx bit sockets as part of a recent Amazon score. I'll probably post more on the amazing deal later, but these were part of it. I like 'em so far - Bits from Germany, rail & assembly from USA. The sockets themselves are Asian, I think, but the replacable bit feature is convenient.

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which blades do you use in which wood ? You could tape the surface or saw from the other side for example.

Well, I haven't cut anything with it yet, but was asking simply to avoid getting the particle board splintered; thank you for the tape advice (that already knew, but not the sawing from the other side).

By the way, has anyone owned or used the following drill from Bosch, if so what do you think of it?
Is it sturdy, reliable, comfortable?
Thanks for your answers.
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I totally agree. I don't want to seem like I am just picking on Bosch either. I also avoid Dewalt and the new Porter Cable and Milwaukee tools. Delta also seems to have gone downhill. I'm glad I have tools from these companies that were made when they seemed to care about quality. It seems harder to find good quality in almost anything in the U.S. anymore. A lot of it has to do with the mentality of the consumer here. Cheap throw away items are what sells. People complain about quality, but don't want to pay for it. I just have to do more research to find manufacturers that still produce fine quality products. Sadly very few are here in the U.S.

Then there is not much left from the US what you could buy it seems. Kett makes shears in the US (with Dewalt motors it seems). Alternatives from Fein, Metabo, Festool, Flex, Trumpf, Lamello, Suhner/Pferd, Mafell and even Eibenstock are readily available in the USA. I´m not a big fan of Makita + Hitachi because of the subjective quality (parts fitment/finish/design). But it seems there is a big Festool fan community so there must be a hand full americans who still cherish quality :)

ps:
Maybe you would have more luck with Bosch german made air tools ;)

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@mr tools:
the caliper is from "Shinwa" :)


@servito:
I think american lockpicker has this drill




ps:
someone from the german Bosch forum took his cordless Bosch impact wrench and modified it a little bit :)

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Shop in ACE Hardware Shop in my state :

Loctite Epoxy Quick Set for Multi-Purpose ( Made in USA )

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Permatex Thread Locker Medium Strength ( Made in USA )

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Bosch Multipurpose Drill bit ( Made in China )

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ACE Premium Enamel Spray Paint ( Made in USA )

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Black&Decker Piranha Hi-Tech Bullet PLUS 6mm masonry Drill bit
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Also has Bayrische Bohrwerke markings on the packaging


Wonderful drill bits. PLUS edition has triangular end so there is no slipping in the drill chuck
 

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This one, from the old world, too, was purchased to make three holes to pass the TV and Satellite cable to another room in my home; I thought I was never going to reach the other side of the wall :bounce: but I finally did it.
But I think another use can be made from it, for those days you wake up and don't feel very lucid, very clear... it will easily reach through the ears. :bounce:

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Will try it with a Bosch IXO ;)

Cheers
 
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I have this and love it. :)

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BOSCH GSR 9.6-2 still very good for budget & light duty jobs, i already use for 2 years without any complaint:thumbup:
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@servito
Globalization languages.............:headscrat

@monte
Good knowledge Japanese tools Master Monte:thumbup: :beer:

Just to share another Japanese measuring tool:)
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10 years old Hozan plier:wtf:
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theeplus

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I show my Hazet 603 Wrenches NO.6-30 , 30 PCS . I bought from my friend . How old this wrenches?
 

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