Tools from the old world

[cosmik binturong]

Euro Gang,

The picture of Super Ego hacksaw caught my eye. It looked very familier. Check out the following photos and see what you think:

The Super Ego...

3M and Lenox models, ca. 1990's...

The frames look 99.9% identical. Only differance is the tension lever/knob. Looks like a case of transatlantic crossbreeding.

yes, it seems to me that there is one company that does the moulds/parts and sell them customized to all the other ones with their names on it... so long with the veracity of the "made in ***" markings...

there was an old starrett too that looked a lot like this one but with a different front end...

I like the name on the Lenox model "HACKMASTER". Now there's a name!

yes, i like it very much... gotta rename mine!

 

[american lockpicker]

nah, only that if i remember you bought one of the Gillet-made Craftsman collar pliers with a long flex head from Sears that was the same as the Facom one for much less... or smoething like that!

why would you shoot some poor strippers with 7,5x54mm??? not bouncy enough?

anyway, french army stuff is pretty badly made usually(lowest bidder wins! troufions lose ) except the weapons and maintenance equipment... see my test thread with the Snap-On tools that are french navy "surpluses" as in "we replaced all those nice american-made tools that were included in the contract for that weapon system by french ones made by Facom in China and with this we can grease a little bit more the barrel of some of our well healed porcine friends...".

i'll see what i can dig!

Oh yes I forgot about that.

Not those kind of strippers.

Yea my FAK is pretty poorly made(a Taiwanese knockoff marketed by an Italian company was better made...)

Anyways some pics.

 

[TjoFrasse]

solution: Buy more tools to fix the cars

ps: how do you like your Gedore ratcheting wrenches so far ?

I'm doing it right now

I must say I have not used them much. I still go to my ratchet first. I don't know if I can give a real answer to why. Some things I have thought of is:
The ratcheting is not as smooth as I would like. The straight layout makes is a bit awkward to use sometimes. The head is a bit big. For those instances where a ratchet won't fit thought they are nice to have.

since i'm going away for a few days tomorrow, here are some more pixes for your enjoyment:

Nice as always!

I was browsing Amazon.co.uk last week, and saw some Wera on sale. Ordered some and today a big package arrived. To my disappointment it was just one of the drivers. The package was big, filled with packing padding, and this driver:

The 14mm slot chiseldriver.

More chiseldrivers will hopefully come soon!

 

[TjoFrasse]

German music isn't bad.

Do you mean there is more good German music than:

and

(Bah, embedding disabled...)

 

[american lockpicker]

Do you mean there is more good German music than:

and

(Bah, embedding disabled...)

LANGWEILIG!!!!!!!!!!

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Song to invade Poland to(or so I read...)

 

[TjoFrasse]

LANGWEILIG!!!!!!!!!!

Song to invade Poland to(or so I read...)

I prefer music to construct precision mechanisms to (the other thing Germans are good at).

 

[american lockpicker]

I prefer music to construct precision mechanisms to (the other thing Germans are good at).

Like classical?

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[Monte]

ach... like le bon vieux temps of Radio Parissssssss!

who?

yeah... i might go fetch this one in September!
(but it's still a bit expensive right now )

yes !! please buy it. I would be very happy !

what tyres?

bicycle tires or tyres

which one? where is Cantause when you need him???
those ****** belgians are the kings of waffles!

the proper one with swivel jaws

nice stubby collection !
so did you receive new tools from your neighbor ?
Nice Esso pliers with removeable handle

Yeah, you made the right choice (or somebody did it for you)

i made the choice. I heard spanish is easier than french

That's ok, I've got a girlfriend in San Andreas that always wants to do drive-by shooting

I think you will go far on swimming with those trainers

a few meter yes

Thanks. Have quite a few more pics of tools but have to remember where did I put them.

please search for them

German music isn't bad.

How did you find that stuff ?
German music is the best of course Just look for Nena, Peter Schilling, Trio or Dschinghis Khan
ok ok ... but Boney M is pretty good

English and Spanish? Did you go to school here? lol

lol - no luckily not.
I don´t like metal detectors


btw.:

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I'm doing it right now
I must say I have not used them much. I still go to my ratchet first. I don't know if I can give a real answer to why. Some things I have thought of is:
The ratcheting is not as smooth as I would like. The straight layout makes is a bit awkward to use sometimes. The head is a bit big. For those instances where a ratchet won't fit thought they are nice to have.

thanks for your opinion !
yes, the ratcheting is a bit "rough"...

We'll see. I love to get some more Hazet, but €€€ is always a problem.

teaser pic

Pressol oil can
www.pressol.de

 

[AutomatiquE]

Monte, how many oil cans do you have ? Do you fill each of them with different oil type ?

 

[Monte]

Monte, how many oil cans do you have ? Do you fill each of them with different oil type ?

currently i have 6 oil cans. The reason i bought the one above was that it only cost 50 cent
One can is filled with engine oil, one with air tool oil, another one with cutting fluid and another one with hydraulic oil. Need one of the Reilang cans though ...and find more fluids so it makes sense to buy another one

 

[madmoder94]

Speaking of Reilang...does anyone know where those can be bought in the states? I've found them on Amazon.de, but they're not sold by Amazon and cannot be shipped to the US.

 

[Monte]

Speaking of Reilang...does anyone know where those can be bought in the states? I've found them on Amazon.de, but they're not sold by Amazon and cannot be shipped to the US.

i only can find sites from the UK etc., i would contact www.reilang.ch

 

[cosmik binturong]

Radio Paris was the french voice of the occupation forces in the early 40s...
they had a mix of enthusiastic french and german songs!

yes !! please buy it. I would be very happy !

so would i... the priority is still the first RollMaster, then maybe the Dowidat Trabant and/or an Assistant from Hazet then a second RollMaster, an orange big vintage Beta box for the future shop; that or those beautiful blue Irimos that Bhae is showing us from time to time(will have to go fetch them at his shop though, just to have a long look at his Stahlwille and his nice goggie).

as of now, asbestos roofing got in the way and money is being diverted upward...

bicycle tires or tyres

oh, you mean how do i inflate them? floor pump and pure elbow grease!
with a mix of italian(Silca Pista), german(SKS Rennkompressor), american(vintage airborne radar pressurizer) and japanese(Hirame pump chuck) stuff...

nice stubby collection !

thnaks!
i forgot most of them though...

so did you receive new tools from your neighbor ?

don't dream... they're not so sensible!
the CATU one will be regrinded and repurposed one day, the Beta screwdriver is going to be replaced next time i'll go to Beta France for the rats service kits and the Würth i don't know, i don't have a receipt since it was a gift from one of their reps... time will tell!
too bad for them, no more tools and free help: their loss, not mine!

Nice Esso pliers with removeable handle

yes, no CoO or any other markings on it. probably european since it dates from the early to mid-70s methinks.
cleaning was a bit hard on the metal but rust was already well entrenched...

no more crappy pixes for a week or more! lucky guys!

 

[american lockpicker]

How did you find that stuff ?

A Brit told me about Rammstein, Ein Zwei Polizei was a recommended vid on youtube, and I found Bushido while googling the term public enemy number one(apparenty it also translates into the name of his album...) Know of any good German gangsta rap or trance? I mostly know of Dutch and French music.

 

[american lockpicker]

no more crappy pixes for a week or more! lucky guys!

Nooooooooo

 

[servito]

i made the choice. I heard spanish is easier than french

Hahahaha, yep I don't know French but am quite sure that it will be more difficult to learn than Spanish (my mother language is also harder than Spanish ).
But I also decided to study German, which is waaaaaaay harder to learn than French... and when I'm done with German will study Russian or Italian

a few meter yes

please search for them

You have my word on that

btw.:

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Nein kein Schlager mehr, ich habe zu viel Schlager in diesem Jahr angeschaut, nicht mehr, bitte

Monte, how many oil cans do you have ? Do you fill each of them with different oil type ?

Of course, everybody needs an oil can for everey kind of oil; one for olive oil, another for sunflower seeds oil and another for lubricating oil

 

[servito]

as of now, asbestos roofing got in the way and money is being diverted upward...

I assume you are kiddingwith the asbestos, aren't you?
I guess asbestos is forbidden in France too, isn't it?

don't dream... they're not so sensible!
the CATU one will be regrinded and repurposed one day, the Beta screwdriver is going to be replaced next time i'll go to Beta France
for the rats service kits and the Würth i don't know, i don't have a receipt since it was a gift from one of their reps... time will tell!
too bad for them, no more tools and free help: their loss, not mine!

How can people be so rude and cheeky , the least I would do in such situation is asking you for the cost of it and pay for what I have broken, but the best would be to buy you a new one. The pity is that you have lost those tools and probably the trust on your neighbours.

no more crappy pixes for a week or more! lucky guys!

I guess you are taking a holiday break, if so, then enjoy them a lot cosmik

 

[cosmik binturong]

I assume you are kiddingwith the asbestos, aren't you?
I guess asbestos is forbidden in France too, isn't it?

i would be so happy to be kidding...
it's forbidden in new installations since i think the mid-90s, but that roof date from the 60s and is made of painted corrugated asbestos, since we're doing a remodelling of the building we will have to get rid of it or no permit... the nicest thing is that we'll certainly have to deal with a german firm because we cannot find a french one that will do the work for a reasonable price. nice! i'm going to compare our tools!

How can people be so rude and cheeky , the least I would do in such situation is asking you for the cost of it and pay for what I have broken, but the best would be to buy you a new one. The pity is that you have lost those tools and probably the trust on your neighbours.

they're not "rude", they just don't care and wouldn't understand a price of more than 100€ for the copper cutting pliers...
i haven't lost anything except time... the Beta is warranty-able, the CATU is still usable but not as a VDE tool(not a problem, i have other nice orange tools! ) and the Würth was a gift and is possibly warranty-able too. as for "trust", like Olafur said: "i trust them as far as i can throw'em" or something to that extend... they definitely lost way more than me. beside, i'll get new tools too!

I guess you are taking a holiday break, if so, then enjoy them a lot cosmik

no holiday this time! but thnaks anyway! to you too!


ps. i'll try to put-up a few more crappy pixes for american lockpicker in the morning...

 

[Monte]

Radio Paris was the french voice of the occupation forces in the early 40s...
they had a mix of enthusiastic french and german songs!

ah ok, sorry i was born in the 70´s so i don´t know

so would i... the priority is still the first RollMaster, then maybe the Dowidat Trabant and/or an Assistant from Hazet then a second RollMaster, an orange big vintage Beta box for the future shop; that or those beautiful blue Irimos that Bhae is showing us from time to time(will have to go fetch them at his shop though, just to have a long look at his Stahlwille and his nice goggie).

as of now, asbestos roofing got in the way and money is being diverted upward...

and a Gedore Adjutant and Snap-On XYZ 3000 and....
but don´t buy all the Rollmasters and Assistens because i need a couple too

btw: the Rollmaster dude mailed back and said its too complicated to send to france and won´t do it

oh, you mean how do i inflate them? floor pump and pure elbow grease!
with a mix of italian(Silca Pista), german(SKS Rennkompressor), american(vintage airborne radar pressurizer) and japanese(Hirame pump chuck) stuff...

yeeeees !
pics ? the Rennkompressor is nice

don't dream... they're not so sensible!
the CATU one will be regrinded and repurposed one day, the Beta screwdriver is going to be replaced next time i'll go to Beta France
for the rats service kits and the Würth i don't know, i don't have a receipt since it was a gift from one of their reps... time will tell!
too bad for them, no more tools and free help: their loss, not mine!

I think the Wurth Zebra tools have a "no question asked" warranty or something like that or not

yes, no CoO or any other markings on it. probably european since it dates probably from the early to mid-70s.
cleaning was a bit hard on the metal but rust was already well entrenched...

how do the mtal handles look like ?

no more crappy pixes for a week or more! lucky guys!

thnaks !

A Brit told me about Rammstein, Ein Zwei Polizei was a recommended vid on youtube, and I found Bushido while googling the term public enemy number one(apparenty it also translates into the name of his album...) Know of any good German gangsta rap or trance? I mostly know of Dutch and French music.

don´t know nothing about trance. Sido is a well known rapper here

some others:

the best:

Hahahaha, yep I don't know French but am quite sure that it will be more difficult to learn than Spanish (my mother language is also harder than Spanish ).
But I also decided to study German, which is waaaaaaay harder to learn than French... and when I'm done with German will study Russian or Italian

What´s your mother language ?
ps: study chinese

You have my word on that

ok

Nein kein Schlager mehr, ich habe zu viel Schlager in diesem Jahr angeschaut, nicht mehr, bitte

hahaha lol
Das ist aber kein Schlager Das ist NDW - Neue Deutsche Welle .....Kultmusik der 80er !!!!

Of course, everybody needs an oil can for everey kind of oil; one for olive oil, another for sunflower seeds oil and another for lubricating oil

Baby oil, massage oil....

 

[Olafur]

currently i have 6 oil cans. The reason i bought the one above was that it only cost 50 cent
One can is filled with engine oil, one with air tool oil, another one with cutting fluid and another one with hydraulic oil. Need one of the Reilang cans though ...and find more fluids so it makes sense to buy another one

Do you use Rocol cutting fluid? (amazing stuff)
I suggest one for automatic transmission fluid and one for brake fluid if you run into a though "air in brake system" situation. And one with C2H5OH if it is very cold.

@cosmik binturong thanks for all the pics!

 

[Olafur]

If you didn't find it, you could try Picasa, as cosmik binturong said.

Perhaps I'll give it a try, but preferably on a virtual machine

It's a matter of time, when things ease off in Iceland and the economy gets better they will sure open the store

Have you asked them?
I sometimes ask them in German for shipping to Spain and they usually answer, in English or German.

1# I use Gimp, and it has way more features than I will ever use. Similar to Photoshop. I am sure this can be done with Gimp.

2# Good idea. I used to dual boot windows and linux. But today it is easy to use virtual machines to play with.

3#Yes, but it will take time. And when BAUHAUS opens it will probably trash the competitors.

4# Yes, it seems - if they ship to EU they are willing to ship to Iceland. If they only ship to Germany they usually do not answer requests. Perfectly understandable, but IMO the loose money since German tools have great demand worldwide.

 

[Olafur]

Those guys are nuts....using an angle torque gauge for lug bolts. I tried that once but the impact gun tore up the gauge!

SD

But he did not suggest using impact wrench with angle torque gauge. I fail to see your logic.

 

[american lockpicker]

the best:

 

[Olafur]

Euro Gang,

The picture of Super Ego hacksaw caught my eye. It looked very familier. Check out the following photos and see what you think: [...]

I think you have good memory and a great eye!

 

[Olafur]

NWS:

Expensive stuff, hopefully worth it!
German steel - how bad can it be:

 

[mrtools]

What's up with the open end!?

It a normal jaw shape for fast or speed series wrenches
Like Facom fast series 40.R

Only stubbies I have, the Weras:

Nice Wera
Which one do you regularly used it?

i dunno...Taiwan or China ?? 6 wrench set cost 12.95 € ...(single 13mm wrench 6.49 € ) .. i think china ?? but which company ?? i dunno...
yes
nice Belzer speed wrench !!!
solution: Buy more tools to fix the cars

Nice ha!!! do you know where I can get a BELZER catalog in PDF format?
Should I buy a set of BELZER speed wrench 100M/S6 (10,12,13,15,16,17mm) for RM230 or about €53? as I mention before this,a packing said Design and quality BELZER Germany, Made in Spain. but the wrench not mention where it comes from.It a last stock BELZER wrench at a shop
I need your advise

@cosmic:
my fathers stubby drivers: 2x "Suki" 2x "Hoppe" (Canada ?)

It yours now?

thank you mrtools, i really appreciate your awesome japanese tools too!
it's a Sibille, a french company specializing in heavy duty insulated tools or more exactly,
in insulating heavy duty tools for electrical work since i doubt they have their own forge.
more later, that was only a sneak peek!
oldskool is the way to go most of the time!
and now one for servito and for mrtools :
hacksaws!
french army one was "kind of lost" by an army truck in the forest: happy me!

Thanks!
The hacksaw similar like my Evacut
Excellence tools bro

tool content: short comparison between two 24mm combination wrenches Beta 42 and
Stahlwille Open Box 13!

Wow! nice comparison which one do you prefer?

Oh yes I forgot about that.
Not those kind of strippers.
Yea my FAK is pretty poorly made(a Taiwanese knockoff marketed by an Italian company was better made...)
Anyways some pics.

Yummy Knife

I'm doing it right now
I was browsing Amazon.co.uk last week, and saw some Wera on sale. Ordered some and today a big package arrived. To my disappointment it was just one of the drivers. The package was big, filled with packing padding, and this driver:
The 14mm slot chiseldriver.
More chiseldrivers will hopefully come soon!

Nice shopping
Btw: be patient bro

NWS:
Expensive stuff, hopefully worth it!
German steel - how bad can it be:

Hope so
A tools addict is truly high taste

 

[dykmore]

I bought these screwdrivers in Tesco sale (Monte, hi again ) for 3Eur... Although the package should contain 6 pieces, there were only four of them but it was the very last set there, so I didn't mind - for that price... Like all Stanley stuff, it looks like from the Old world, I thought it's from China, but at home I found some blah-blah about Made in USA with "global materials" on the back side...

And I bought this stubby bit driver too. It was little (the truth is: VERY) overpriced, but the thing I like from the first time is that any bit inside has absolute no play and the main reason for the buy is: IT'S TRANSPARENT!!!

I know that all the things I posted now are from the New world. I'm sorry but I like them so!

 

[toolfanatic]

Another Record plane, a No 4 smoother, my very first bench plane. This one dates from around 1954; I've just refinished the handles, other than that the original "patina" remains, this tool is very much a "user"! Pictured alongside my No 5 for comparison (recently featured here):

 

[kissmeimgerman]

Wiha

 

[Jopi]

Some recent flea-market finds (excl. Kamasa ratchets and sidecutters)

Bahco ratchets 3/8 and 1/2 drives. 1/2 ratchet had it´s spring missing but Würth repair-kit saved it.

Phillips 4 screwdriver, looks unused. You never know when you need one.

Handles for various projects

NOS Bahco compination pliers. Right one still has storage grease on, I think I´ll save it for future generations.

Flex-head ratchets from Kamasa Tools. Theres not too much Kamasa on this thread.

E. A. Berg sidecutters are still in good condition. 1964 marking on these, dunno are those made back then.

 

[Jure]

my new knipex

 

[knightmasks]

KNIPEX is spectacular!

 

[TjoFrasse]

Nice Wera
Which one do you regularly used it?

Thanks!

Not sure I understood correctly but:

My planned use is for stuck fasteners. I make a groove with a small rotary tool (my Proxxon ) hammer this in and get torque with a wrench to the hex bolster.

Some recent flea-market finds (excl. Kamasa ratchets and sidecutters)

Good finds! Some nice swedish tools there. Green handle Bahco is not my favorite to use, but they are a swedish icon. Berg cutters are excellent!

my new knipex

 

[Monte]

Do you use Rocol cutting fluid? (amazing stuff)
I suggest one for automatic transmission fluid and one for brake fluid if you run into a though "air in brake system" situation. And one with C2H5OH if it is very cold.

never heard of Rocol, but thanks for the link, they even have dealers here !
yeah good idea with the C2H5OH I´ll get me a large can for that

NWS:
Expensive stuff, hopefully worth it!
German steel - how bad can it be:

nice german steel !

Nice ha!!! do you know where I can get a BELZER catalog in PDF format?
Should I buy a set of BELZER speed wrench 100M/S6 (10,12,13,15,16,17mm) for RM230 or about €53? as I mention before this,a packing said Design and quality BELZER Germany, Made in Spain. but the wrench not mention where it comes from.It a last stock BELZER wrench at a shop
I need your advise

don´t know....Belzer is too old i think ... There was no internet when Belzer existed
if the package say spain maybe its spain , if not then its Argentinia i think. but maybe spain if the package say so You also could buy the Facom wrenches but where are they made ? Taiwan maybe ? France ? Italy ? dunno... So maybe i would buy Belzer....if you like them
over here i´ve seen them for 61€ but this includes 19% sales tax
http://www.werkzeugfachmarkt.de/oxi...uessel.-100M//anid/839442d44d2c8f426.12704350
in the Bahco online catalog i can´t find them , maybe they´re discontinued ? (or i am blind )
here the online catalog:
http://www.bahco.com/asp/form/index.asp?lngStructureID=1659&lngMenuID=1688

2 photos from an older Bahco catalog:

It yours now?

no, still belongs to my father

I bought these screwdrivers in Tesco sale (Monte, hi again ) for 3Eur... Although the package should contain 6 pieces, there were only four of them but it was the very last set there, so I didn't mind - for that price... Like all Stanley stuff, it looks like from the Old world, I thought it's from China, but at home I found some blah-blah about Made in USA with "global materials" on the back side...

Looks like i have to visit Tesco
price is very good...

And I bought this stubby bit driver too. It was little (the truth is: VERY) overpriced, but the thing I like from the first time is that any bit inside has absolute no play and the main reason for the buy is: IT'S TRANSPARENT!!!

how much ?


@toolfanatic:
nice planes !

@kissmeimgerman:
good lookin bit driver !

@Jopi:
cool old Bahco tools !!!

@Jure:
the best !!!





"Top Craft" ratcheting screwdriver made by Schröder in Germany.

bit holder can be attached to a power tool cord and holds 12 bits

 

[dykmore]

I took more pictures of my father's tools today evening, and here are some interesting ones:


1) Old punch, made by OPP ROKYCANY (Czechoslovakia).

2) Stanley Thrifty 400 flat screwdriver, made in England.

3) Side-cutting pliers, age unknown, made by unknown manufacturer, but they seem to be a very high quality product. There is some unreadable logo on one side (visible on the second photo).

4) And the old cable stripper, made by Gosmet Bydgoszcz (Poland, http://www.gosmet.pl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46&Itemid=49)

@Monte: that stubby bit driver was for 8Eur

 

[kissmeimgerman]

Need one of these: <iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Lb1PzaDJqUs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

[AutomatiquE]

@Monte : Nice Schröder ratcheting driver, Schroder make high quality and unusual tools. May i ask how much you paid it ?

@Jure : Excellent Knipex circlip pliers, excellent choice...i've got the same set
For myself i'm plannig to buy two more extra pliers, those with a 90° head

@Dykmore : my brother have an American "Magna" set (1/4 bit holder driver + bits) in a plastic blue case. The driver is the same as your exepting a longer shaft. I always considered this brand, very solid handle, good quality.

 

[Monte]

I took more pictures of my father's tools today evening, and here are some interesting ones:

nice exotic tools !!

@Monte: that stubby bit driver was for 8Eur

ok, but it´s exotic + seldom ....so it´s ok

Need one of these:

yes !!!

@Monte : Nice Schröder ratcheting driver, Schroder make high quality and unusual tools. May i ask how much you paid it ?

my first Schröder tool
you may:

 

[american lockpicker]

Your first Schröder eh? I got the Craftsman rebranded one in 2009. It was one of my first Old World tools.

 

[Monte]

pics ??

oops forgot i have 2 schroder chucks for taps....