Tools from the old world

[clouseau]

Nice stuff inspector.
Nice SAM ratchet. Any ties to Facom? What's the quality of SAM tools?

Thanks north.

Others will be better placed to comment on SAM vs. Facom in terms of quality.

My impression is that SAM has been seen to be a good quality brand but less expensive to buy than Facom, and I am sure someone will correct me but I haven't seen SAM and Facom sold in the same shop.

We have a dedicated "quincaillerie" hardware shop that deals with professionals from different trades and they stock SAM, Makita and Metabo, whereas the auto spares specialist just along the road deals solely in Facom.

The agricultural co-operative used to stock Facom but last year changed to Drakkar who also give a universal guarantee.... don't know much about them.

The 2 main superstores used to stock Facom, Bost, with bits of Stanley, Knipex but one of these also seems to have dropped Facom stuff.

All the garages I've seen here invariably have Facom but I saw one recently that had a Gedore cart as well.

As far as that SAM ratchet is concerned it certainly is a sturdy piece of kit that you wouldn't want to be whacked over the head with! Only had it a few weeks but it feels good and works perfectly.

I will say one thing though and that is that practically everyone knows Facom around here and if thaat had been a Facom ratchet in the box someone would have bought the thing before I got there and would have paid a lot more than I did for the thing!

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Thanks
I stand corrected there pretty uncommon, even fiat doesn't use them for everything (annoying)

I didn't know the right name so looked it up (and got it wrong lol), can see the difference between polydrive and Ribe-CV now, guess the fasteners are less prone to stripping than torx

Both are oddly hard to get tools for, well in the uk anyway, no doubt they will become more common, or quickly become obsolete.

I bought a set of headbolts for a Fiat a couple years ago and they were Polydrive, instead of Ribe-CV, which was odd. So i had to buy a Polydrive headbolt socket and cut it down to size for the angle gauge..

I've never known one to strip, Ribe-CV is actually really good, much better than standard Torx. They're still found on Fiats and Alfas. Also some Vauxhalls with Alfa diesel engines have them, but only on the engine.


A while ago i bought a complete set of Unior short 1/2"-drive Ribe-CV bit sockets, and since then have never needed them!

 

[Ratchet.]

I bought a set of headbolts for a Fiat a couple years ago and they were Polydrive, instead of Ribe-CV, which was odd. So i had to buy a Polydrive headbolt socket and cut it down to size for the angle gauge..

I've never known one to strip, Ribe-CV is actually really good, much better than standard Torx. They're still found on Fiats and Alfas. Also some Vauxhalls with Alfa diesel engines have them, but only on the engine.


A while ago i bought a complete set of Unior short 1/2"-drive Ribe-CV bit sockets, and since then have never needed them!

thats what always happens tho

only came across them on a few cars, all late 90's fiats not on any high stress items though thankfully (i had to do a hack job and use a torx as no one in the garage i worked at had the tools) the covers on the engine and the cam box etc use them,


torx plus is similar, not came across them 'in the wild' yet tho (sure i will soon now ive said that)

i guess the idea in the tools being hard to get is so main dealers get more trade, im currently hunting down a set of them though (might get some through my work)

 

[north]

clouseau, how many teeth in that SAM ratchet? 72?
I read about SAM on their home page and with their long history I find it weird that the average Pierre don't know much about it as opposed to Facom.
Their loss and your win.

And if you find a 75-S49A set for €10 I will buy it from you for €20.

Good luck in finding the original Acesa ratchet and show us a pic when you do.

 

[clouseau]

It's 6 degree 60 tooth

I actually counted the clicks already, anyway!

If I find one of those sets for 10 euros I'll gladly sell it to you for 20..... so long as you pay postage 'cos it'll weigh a bunch!!

 

[Moose-LandTran]

thats what always happens tho

only came across them on a few cars, all late 90's fiats not on any high stress items though thankfully (i had to do a hack job and use a torx as no one in the garage i worked at had the tools) the covers on the engine and the cam box etc use them,


torx plus is similar, not came across them 'in the wild' yet tho (sure i will soon now ive said that)

i guess the idea in the tools being hard to get is so main dealers get more trade, im currently hunting down a set of them though (might get some through my work)

It was worth what i paid to not have to work on them cars though!

They do use them on headbolts, and apparently on some brakes but i've yet to see that. I pulled an Alfa twin spark head a while back that had M14 Ribe-CV headbolts, had to run to Halfords for a set. (Laser make a decent set)

Some Torx Plus work in them, they're a close fit. In fact, when i pulled a Fiat head a while ago i didn't have the right Ribe-CV (I forget which) bit socket for it, but a Torx Plus worked fine.

A few companies here sell Ribe-CV (Just called Ribe on eBay) sets; AST, Sealey, Unior, Laser, Draper, Signet, etc.

My Laser ones have never failed me, and weren't expensive. A friend (quattrojon) who sells AST tells me they're very good, but Signet ones are very brittle and always break.




In my friend's toolbox, a nice satin Britool, Made in England.

 

[clouseau]

Meanwhile, here's a few bits I got on Sunday.

Can anyone spot the odd one out (not brand)?

Damn I picked up a bunch of wrenches and didn't look closely!..... I want my 50cents back!!

 

[Rossco]

The 27mm Facom is a 27mm double ender ..

 

[franzdom]

Woom

 

[clouseau]

Perfect answer.

Someone has welded two 27mm ends together!

I'm going to have trouble getting that one warrantied!

 

[Rossco]

That wrench will be handy .. You wont look silly trying to hammer a 24mm onto a 27mm fitting when you forget your glasses ..

 

[clouseau]

That wrench will be handy .. You wont look silly trying to hammer a 24mm onto a 27mm fitting when you forget your glasses ..

I'm now on the lookout for a double ended 24mm to complete a unique set!

 

[dykmore]

Today my father gave me (ok, I asked him to gave ) this nice Felo magazine bit holder. Made in West Germany, I think it's about 20 years old. Four of eight Felo bits were damaged, so I replaced them with Wera, and I replaced the original bit extension too with another one with locked socket.
There is an unreadable logo on the handle - something like SNG?

 

[AutomatiquE]

Clouseau, SAM outillage is a well known brand here in France, but not by private users. Mainly by professionals, mechanics, etc. SAM is not as well finished as Facom but still good (particulary old tools...as usual). Facom vs SAM is something like Hazet vs Matador. Also i find some of their stuff too much overpriced.

@dykmore : Very nice Felo.

 

[clouseau]

Hi Automatique, Could you please clarify the Hazet vs. matador for me. i know Hazet Porsche stuff goes for absurd amounts on the auction sites.

I agree that some SAM stuff is overpriced. I actually got banned from buying anything else from some guy at a boot sate this year!!!

I asked how much he wanted for his wrenches and he said 1 euro a piece but if I bought 10 that would cost 6 euros.

I picked up 10 SAM "cles de montage" and offered him his 6 euros and he started crying and screaming! Only the presence of the next door dealers who confirmed the offer he made allowed me to get out of there without one of the wrenches sticking out of my head!

I went on the SAM site the next day and found SAM were asking over 450 euros for the same wrenches new!!

Madness.... but I think I got a good deal and the guy was an ******* so even better!

edit: these http://www.sam-outillage.fr/catalogue-sam?view=cataloguesam&fm=4092

 

[AutomatiquE]

Hi Automatique, Could you please clarify the Hazet vs. matador for me.

Facom always had a famous reputation over here. Matador is a very good German brand but doesn't have the same quality and image of Hazet.

 

[Bhae]

 

[Bhae]

BGS:

 

[Bhae]

Today Stanley:

 

[Monte]

Hey what happens that everybody has a new assistant??
I guess he will be as an apprentice,isn't him?
Those assistants you have are very funny, Moose, cosmik and Monte

Yes he is my new apprentice, i need someone for the dirty work

Hahahhahahahahahaha, how many rpm can maintain?

Depends on how much he has drunken

Contributing!

very good contribution

Here is my Wurth version. Its nice to usze but the only thing holding the bits in is the good grace of god. May stick a small magnet on the thumb wheel.
Brad

nifty little set !!

Now, it's mostly in Japanese, but it appears to be a list of someone's tools, and at the end is a whole bunch of links to Japanese tool makers.

http://home.att.ne.jp/lemon/kanzaki/newpage24.html

Nice showing of tools!

thanks for the link !!

Just dragged these up from the barn to do a little job around the house so I figured I'd take a few shots to put up here.

nice socket set + Bahco ratchet ! Do you have more pics of the Bahco ratchet ?

Some of my collection, sadly pretty small at the moment

cool screw pliers !!!

All my Hazet 1/4 sockets are stamped "Made in Germany".

cool ! Much better than only "Germany" like mine
now i need the new ones


@Bhae:
very nice !!!!!
It seems your business is going well !








NOS Belzer tools

 

[north]

Nice Belzer Monte. I am starting to feel a message forming that I must start to collect clear red handle screwdrivers. I guess I already started with a Facom from Harry Epstein. (Pics coming when it gets out of customs)

Edit: Btw Monte, are you knut over at werkzeug-news?

Bhae, do you get any work done or are you just playing with your tools all day long?
And what's up with the NWS combo pliers?. Smudge on the jaw?

 

[Monte]

Nice Belzer Monte. I am starting to feel a message forming that I must start to collect clear red handle screwdrivers.

but no Belzer please

Edit: Btw Monte, are you knut over at werkzeug-news?

who ?
i knew i should take a different avatar

And what's up with the NWS combo pliers?. Smudge on the jaw?

oil or something like that maybe ?

 

[north]

but no Belzer please

Of course not...

 

[american lockpicker]

Very nice stanley. I hope to get a few in December or January.

Edit: Btw Monte, are you knut over at werkzeug-news?

Link?

 

[r6_cannibal]

Bhae

I must have NWS Pliers! I have been drooling over a set of needle nose...and line's man...and side cutters! if i do not have them soon i fear for my mental health. I don't really need them which is the problem, i just really really want them.

some day.

 

[BJ42LX]

Nws

These are my NWS. There are many like them, but this set is mine.

 

[cliceu]

Sorry for the delay in replies, I'm on call this week and I'm working a lot these days.

Nice PB awl.

- Really beautiful.


@decaf:

- Thanks.

You are kidding right?

Awsome tools and awesome pictures cliceu. Need to get me one of those flexible grippers.

- This is very well build.

Cliceu: Super!!! But the awl leads the way

- I really enjoyed it.

You are getting quite a nice selection of tools! Not sure what my fave is out of all you have pictured, but those Gedore ratchets look like tanks!

- Gedore is my favorite, nice Hazet sockets .


@Sick Puppy:

- I use to make a recess in the wood to accommodate the screw head. The Vario 90 allows the use of drills from 3mm to 8mm in diameter.

(I copied the picture, do not remember where.)


@Bhae:

- Thank you, and thanks for the many pictures of his shop .

WOW that are some really nice tools you got !!!

How do you like the Athlet ratcheting screwdriver ?

- Thanks. Athlet ratcheting screwdriver, not exactly ratchet. She does swing back free, it has no ratchet mechanism, only holds when does the reverse. After getting used works well, very good finish.

- Nice Belzer .


@kissmeimgerman:

- Wood Felo is very cool .

Congratulation for your new tools!
Very nice choice

- Thanks.


@Ratchet.:

- Good starting .


@BJ42LX:

- Nice NWS pliers .

 

[superautobacs]

THanks for the pics MrTools - Monte and I were looking for an online catalogue or site for MTC and didn't find anything, I don't suppose you know of any do you?

I remembered this question, but I didn`t have the time to answer....

Give them an email at: [email protected]
Mr. Oka can communicate very well in English and should be able to answer any questions. Just request for their pdf catalog of their MTC pliers (it`s a 2 page catalog).

MTC seems to have been concentrating their efforts on gardening tools and knifes. Their website: http://www.maruyoshi-mtc.co.jp/index.html

 

[Sick Puppy]

Counter sink

Oh cool, so that's how you do it! Just not seen this before, always wondered how it was done...

So is this an adaptor that you attach to different drill bits to get the same angle, in this case 90*?

edit: you beat me to it before i read your post! That is an awesome idea, does it work well? Where did you order all your tools from?

 

[Monte]

Awesome Gedore wrenches !!!

Very nice comparison pics awesome

Thanks buddy !

These are my NWS. There are many like them, but this set is mine.

sweet pliers collection

- Thanks. Athlet ratcheting screwdriver, not exactly ratchet. She does swing back free, it has no ratchet mechanism, only holds when does the reverse. After getting used works well, very good finish.

Thanks for the info !







Stanley Classic measuring tape

 

[clouseau]

nice socket set + Bahco ratchet ! Do you have more pics of the Bahco ratchet ?

here's a few pics

 

[north]

That's an interesting design for changing direction. Does it work ok?
I wonder how dirt and grime will affect the performance.

 

[clouseau]

That's an interesting design for changing direction. Does it work ok?
I wonder how dirt and grime will affect the performance.

I think it's designed to be used one handed so you don't have to mess around with the business end with your other hand.

I've used it a few times and forgotten to not touch the LR thing accidentally so manage to switch it by mistake ..... once I got used to it it was great!

Only had it since June and haven't given it a true workout yet so can't comment on the dirt and grime yet.

 

[Monte]

here's a few pics

cool thanks for the pics !!! nice ratchet !!!

 

[servito]

A few more packages arrived.

Wera, Athlet, NWS, Knipex, PB Swiss and Famag:

cliceu, you have just left me drooling, I usually save on my computer the most interesting pages on this thread, and for sure that this was one of them

A mini toy

I love this one so much that I always carry it in my pocket, I have one like yours (with the rapidaptor and the bits) and I find it so nice and beautiful, and small, of course. The rapidaptor bit holder works like a charm, and the bits are very nice.

Could not miss things VDE.

Those VDE screwdrivers are awesome, I have the very same set, that comes with a rack to put them. I bought them in VDE instead of the normal ones because they look better in red/yellow, I'm quite afraid of electricity, that every time I have to do something involving electricity I switch it off on my home.
By the way, I can't nothing that love the "lasertip" on the Weras, it seems like it bites the screw. I'd love to have some bits but with something similar to the lasertip.

Even stronger magnet.

I guess that will be a neodymium magnet, they are (I think) the strongest, but they are a tad brittle, so my advice, don't hit it hard

I did a little test, real work, but do not use excessive force.

cliceau, does the white/grey part of that bit holder spin while the rest is spinning?
Or can you hold that part with your hand while the rest is spinning?

Here in Brazil it is hard to find, even in specialty stores.
Sorry for the long post.

That is quite interesting, I have only found on ebay.de and for 34€, quite expensive.
Thanks for all the pictures

now we have to find a italian manufacturer of soldering guns- otherwise i can´t sleep

Well, I can help if it is an Spanish manufacturer http://www.jbctools.com/, otherwise I think you won't sleep anymore

my father yes, he does everything around the house, like electrical installations, plumbing, tiling etc. But i don´t know how many times he used them , i´ll ask if he counted how often he used which one

That's really cool, you save large amount$$$$ on home repairing, don't have to rely on any neighbour to help on doing any work and you can learn something from him.
Surely the soldering irons will be like some computer displays, with a working hours counter embedded, so you won't need to ask your father anything

@Bhae, very nice NWS pliers and Witte screwdrivers ahhhh, and the Stanley planner is so beautiful. How much is it?
Thanks.

Yes he is my new apprentice, i need someone for the dirty work

You mean that he does the cleaning, too???

Depends on how much he has drunken

On how much has he drunk, or how much have you drunk?

Stainless is spelled right but there must have been a mark on the blade that makes the I look like its part of the N.

Thank you for the answer

 

[servito]

Here is my Wurth version. Its nice to usze but the only thing holding the bits in is the good grace of god. May stick a small magnet on the thumb wheel.
Brad

What do you mean, that once a bit is introduced, it falls?

 

[cliceu]

cliceu, you have just left me drooling, I usually save on my computer the most interesting pages on this thread, and for sure that this was one of them

- Thanks.

I love this one so much that I always carry it in my pocket, I have one like yours (with the rapidaptor and the bits) and I find it so nice and beautiful, and small, of course. The rapidaptor bit holder works like a charm, and the bits are very nice.

- I also loved the mini ratchet Wera.

Those VDE screwdrivers are awesome, I have the very same set, that comes with a rack to put them. I bought them in VDE instead of the normal ones because they look better in red/yellow, I'm quite afraid of electricity, that every time I have to do something involving electricity I switch it off on my home.
By the way, I can't nothing that love the "lasertip" on the Weras, it seems like it bites the screw. I'd love to have some bits but with something similar to the lasertip.

- I like the VDE tools because it helps not to close a short circuit . I work in environments where tensions of 13.8 kV up to 500kV are normal, fear helps you stay alive.

I guess that will be a neodymium magnet, they are (I think) the strongest, but they are a tad brittle, so my advice, don't hit it hard

- I always treat my tools with care.

cliceu, does the white/grey part of that bit holder spin while the rest is spinning?
Or can you hold that part with your hand while the rest is spinning?

- The gray part does not rotate with the set, must be holding his hand to hold the position.

 

[servito]

Something more from the old world (well, maybe not everything from the old world):

Izar point drill bit made in Germany, surely not made by Izar since the company is from the Basque Country and the bit is made in Germany.
Don't know who has made it for Izar.

35 mm. Forstner drill bit bought in Bauhaus, made in Germany by "dontknowwho", to make the hole for concealed hinges:

Depth stop made don't know where:

Wood drill bits from Craftomat, a brand from Bauhaus, also made in Germany:

And the following for Sick Puppy

Oh cool, so that's how you do it! Just not seen this before, always wondered how it was done...

So is this an adaptor that you attach to different drill bits to get the same angle, in this case 90*?

edit: you beat me to it before i read your post! That is an awesome idea, does it work well? Where did you order all your tools from?

Those bits are for countersinking, too; the first three are made in Germany, the others are from Wolfcraft but COO unknown:

 

[american lockpicker]

Depth stop made don't know where:

I have a set of those that are made in "west" Germany.

Stanley Classic measuring tape

How interesting. All mine have been USA made, are they still made in France?

 

[servito]

I have a set of those that are made in "west" Germany.

Mine won't be made in West Germany for sure, since they were bought last year at Bauhaus.

How interesting. All mine have been USA made, are they still made in France?

My father's one is made in France, too, but bought more than 15 years ago (I believe). Another day will post the picture I took from it.