Tools from the old world

[superautobacs]

Monte,

Bravo! I really enjoyed the videos, especially your accent/pronunciation. ...and like how you added German tool terminology in there as well.

...and what where those orange-handled tools sitting behind the adj. wrenches.....hrmm....cheap dollar store tools? just as shameful as having the Snap-on stuff ....just buggin'

...
I'm sure I have some of those Stanley screwdrivers under another branding, but I can't remember who!

Maybe Britool?

Happy to hear about your replacement pliers.

 

[AutomatiquE]

@Monte : Nice videos, tank you Also, nice Muller chisel Where did you buy it ?

@North: Nice Engineer screw-pliers

Rennsteig chisel + Gedore/Habero protection.

 

[kissmeimgerman]

Hi , I looking for an ESD Screwdriver with Multi Exchangeable Bits , most important bits that I need is Philips Bits , Slot Bits , Hex Bits , Torx Bits and Torx Plus Bits . Which brand should I buy ? Wiha or PB Tools ?


I just saw the new Bosch GOP 300 SCE with SDS System , and where does it made ? Germany ? The price is quite near Fein Multimaster

http://www.bosch-presse.de/presseforum/details.htm?txtID=5304&tk_id=112

Rocklim,
PB, Wiha, or Wera will all work great for that application.
I have the handle with this set with a few blades, going to add more soon.
http://pbtoolsus.thomasnet.com/item/screwdrivers/all-categories-screwdrivers-esd-tools/pn-1609?

 

[TjoFrasse]

ok back to the smaller tools
the promised videos in "slo-mo" + close up with explanation (with voice ! ) and even in english (and sometimes german) especially for my nordic neighbours

No problem with the english! Understood perfectly, and after browsing german tool pages I understood all the german also

First one cart full with nice tools, then another full with even more! So nice collection you have, I saw so much stuff I want to get.

I have to point out my great appreciation to NWS. After I snapped the tip off my pliers pulling an r-clip out I bought another set, but thought I'd drop an email to NWS about it anyway. Customer services in Germany forwarded my email to their UK dealer, who asked for my address, and today this turned up

That is really good! My purchase of more NWS stuff feels even closer...

Got my Engineer Neji-saurus screwpliers GT (no less) today from Tradesmans Choice. Swift and painless deal.

Review please!

Rennsteig chisel + Gedore/Habero protection.

Good stuff!

 

[Monte]

Got my Engineer Neji-saurus screwpliers GT (no less) today from Tradesmans Choice. Swift and painless deal.

aaaahhhh cooool !! i want too !!!

Monte,
Bravo! I really enjoyed the videos, especially your accent/pronunciation. ...and like how you added German tool terminology in there as well.

...and what where those orange-handled tools sitting behind the adj. wrenches.....hrmm....cheap dollar store tools? just as shameful as having the Snap-on stuff ....just buggin'

the orange handled tools were 2 4-piece hook and pick sets, "Budget" brand for 1.99€ each
Forgot to remove them before filming

@Monte : Nice videos, tank you Also, nice Muller chisel Where did you buy it ?

i found it at a small tool dealer who sells tools mostly to electricians. They had 2 of these so i took the one with the better looking sticker

Rennsteig chisel + Gedore/Habero protection.

nice ! Good combination !!

No problem with the english! Understood perfectly, and after browsing german tool pages I understood all the german also

that´s good so we can start a german forum soon

 

[north]

*snip*
Review please!
*snip*

They work very well as far as the screw business goes. The jaw design makes them fit well around the screw head and there is very good bite with the right amount of pressure. They're only 160mm (ish) long so on one of the screws I tested I was left with a good handle imprint in my palm.

They have a smooth firm movement and absolutely no play whatsoever. Overall fit and finish is very good.

I can just about see on the tips that they have been used after the second screw where I had to be 'persuasive' but no more than what I would come to expect based on my use of Knipex pliers. I'll see over time how the wear rate is.

Certainly a tool that can make life easier on occasions and a worthy addition to the tool collection.

 

[american lockpicker]

that´s good so we can start a german forum soon

That would give me an excuse to improve my Deutsch.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

ok back to the smaller tools
the promised videos in "slo-mo" + close up with explanation (with voice ! ) and even in english (and sometimes german) especially for my nordic neighbours

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Cool videos!

It's interesting to hear how to pronounce some of these brand names properly in German. Very different to how i/we pronounce them here. Like Stahlwille; i say it like "stall-while". (My dad refers to them as "steel willy" )

Your English is quite amazing, especially the very detailed/specific technical stuff. Much better than many English people i know! I know many people who work in the manual trades and their knowledge of such things (In terms of what they are called, etc.) isn't half as good as yours.

I wish i could speak German. (And French and Spanish and Russian..)

 

[north]

Here in Norway I've always heard it as Stahlwill and Haset. But now I can impress my compadres.

 

[Monte]

That would give me an excuse to improve my Deutsch.

you could improve it here: www.werkzeug-news.de or here: www.werkzeug-forum.de or here: www.werkzeugforum.de

Cool videos!
It's interesting to hear how to pronounce some of these brand names properly in German. Very different to how i/we pronounce them here. Like Stahlwille; i say it like "stall-while". (My dad refers to them as "steel willy" )
Your English is quite amazing, especially the very detailed/specific technical stuff. Much better than many English people i know! I know many people who work in the manual trades and their knowledge of such things (In terms of what they are called, etc.) isn't half as good as yours.
(

thanks !
i guess it also depends on in which part of the UK or USA you are how you pronounce it, same like in Germany, will be different in some parts of eastern germany or Bavaria for example. So that was the regular german , northern german pronounciation
I´m interested in tools and to read here you need a bit of tool vocabulary, but i have no clue about other non-tool vocabulary

Here in Norway I've always heard it as Stahlwill and Haset. But now I can impress my compadres.

But then they don´t know what you are talkin about



@american lockpicker: please don´t look at my next post and close your eyes !!

 

[Monte]

Panasonic EY7441
14.4 Volt drill, 1.5 AH (1.65AH), 13mm chuck, weight 1484 gramm, length 193mm, charging time 35min., speed: 70-400/200-1400 rpm, motor/battery overheating protection, constant speed electronics, IP 56 protected (dust/water protection level)

 

[Duarte]

@Monte
Thanks for the virtual tour of your tools and the German lesson!

 

[american lockpicker]

you could improve it here: www.werkzeug-news.de or here: www.werkzeug-forum.de or here: www.werkzeugforum.de

@american lockpicker: please don´t look at my next post and close your eyes !!

Interesting sites.

I looked... At first I was like nice box ok oh Panasonic maybe made in Japan or Mexico, looks nice, then I seen this one pic with COO and was like Noooooooooooooooooo.

 

[american lockpicker]

Wow http://www.werkzeugforum.de/ had an interesting erotik kalender. I added captions to one...

Not Safe for Work

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j415/al2011c250/Vartaad.jpg

 

[Jeff]

I finally received a Beta with a COO. Beta 95 24x26 box end wrench.

 

[Monte]

I looked... At first I was like nice box ok oh Panasonic maybe made in Japan or Mexico, looks nice, then I seen this one pic with COO and was like Noooooooooooooooooo.

Is there a difference between Japan, Mexico and China ?
I think all of their tools now come from China. The 2 rotary hammers are still from Japan though. The last time i saw "Made in Mexico" was on ther older black/yellow/grey tools. But the new Li-Ion tools always were from China i think. Maybe they closed the mexican plant ? The Hiltis which were from Mexico are from China now too. But for the price of the drill i paid everything comes from China or Malaysia anyway (Panasonic just reduced the list price by 50.-€ and i didn´t have to pay the 19% sales tax either so it was basically for free ) And i always wanted to own a Panasonic drill since i was a little boy like 5 years ago and since the price was good, Panasonic is considered top notch over here, better than Makita etc. and i thought they can´t be that bad because they also make the Hilti cordless drills in a joint-venture factory in Shanghai/China ....so why not

at least they use the same chuck maybe the "bowels" are the same too ?

Wow http://www.werkzeugforum.de/ had an interesting erotik kalender. I added captions to one...

simply buy a ******* or Penthouse

I finally received a Beta with a COO. Beta 95 24x26 box end wrench.

aaahhhhhh the first Beta tool with COO ! Nice job !!!
Italian Beta tools do exist !!

 

[AutomatiquE]

...so i took the one with the better looking sticker

Good desision, i would have done same thing

...Certainly a tool that can make life easier on occasions and a worthy addition to the tool collection.

Well said, now i want one too

@Jeff : Nice Italian Beta !

 

[mrtools]

Nice to comes back and see a lot of interesting tools here..
Thanks to all member for the very good contribution to shared a PIC + video + experienced
particularly to those who opened this awesome tread, our buddy monte, you make a very nice tools tours PICS + video and your **** voice..it help me how to pronounce my Germany tools names

Here a PICS of old Japanese machine..old, but still functioning
Cut-off machine

Electric hammer

 

[zuspiel]

Wow http://www.werkzeugforum.de/ had an interesting erotik kalender. I added captions to one...

Ahm, could we keep those as links...?
Maybe with a **** tag?

Sorry to be a party pooper but I have this open at work...

 

[superautobacs]

Monte,

at the Panasonic.
I've had the drill/driver, jig saw, and circular saw into my shopping bag, but I never hit the "buy" button. Still, after over an year, I still don't have enough funds to get them (spent on other cheaper hand tools instead ).

Are you saying the Panasonic NiMh versions were once made in Mexico?

I have no problem buying from Panasonic (formerly known as National) despite the COO being China. Years ago, they were at the forefront with their Li-ion technology, and I think with their brush-less motors as well. I believe they made 'smart' Li-ion batteries that no one else had at the time. Currently though, i think there's a few companies that offer these 'smart' Li-ion batteries.

Do you think Panasonic still has an edge over other manufacturers with their technology, or are they more or less on a level playing field with other key players?

I finally received a Beta with a COO. Beta 95 24x26 box end wrench.

Indeed, it's nice to see "ITALY". Everything I have doesn't have anything.
I'm taking a guess though, that the wrench is NOS, and not recent production.

 

[american lockpicker]

Is there a difference between Japan, Mexico and China ?

Yes Japanese quality is the best(better than European?) Mexico is similar to American except fit and finish can vary sometime, and China is generally the lowest in the world(everything I've got from there has a corner cut somewhere...) Even my Bosch charger has a smell to it when its on.

I think all of their tools now come from China. The 2 rotary hammers are still from Japan though. The last time i saw "Made in Mexico" was on ther older black/yellow/grey tools. But the new Li-Ion tools always were from China i think. Maybe they closed the mexican plant ? The Hiltis which were from Mexico are from China now too. But for the price of the drill i paid everything comes from China or Malaysia anyway (Panasonic just reduced the list price by 50.-€ and i didn´t have to pay the 19% sales tax either so it was basically for free )

Nice deal. I wish more stuff was made in Japan the quality is so high there.

And i always wanted to own a Panasonic drill since i was a little boy like 5 years ago and since the price was good, Panasonic is considered top notch over here, better than Makita etc. and i thought they can´t be that bad because they also make the Hilti cordless drills in a joint-venture factory in Shanghai/China ....so why not

"I was a little boy 5 years ago" Actually I wanted one when I first joined here after hearing about it being made in Mexico and Merk had one then I discovered Bosch... Interesting that its thought better of than Makita(I really like their older tools...)

Here a PICS of old Japanese machine..old, but still functioning

Electric hammer

Welcome back. That drill is very heavy duty not like the polymer ones I see now.

 

[american lockpicker]

Ahm, could we keep those as links...?
Maybe with a **** tag?

Sorry to be a party pooper but I have this open at work...

Oh sorry.

 

[Monte]

Good desision, i would have done the same

Nice to comes back and see a lot of interesting tools here..

welcome back

your **** voice..

Here a PICS of old Japanese machine..old, but still functioning
Cut-off machine

now thats acut off machine !! 415 volts !!

Ahm, could we keep those as links...?
Maybe with a **** tag?

Sorry to be a party pooper but I have this open at work...

some links...:
http://www.werkzeugforum.de/WerkstattKultur-2011.5563.0.html

http://www.ausbauguide.de/201003104...k-Kalender-zeigt-die-schonsten-Kundinnen.html

http://www.werkzeugforum.de/WerkstattKultur2009.4295.0.html

Monte,
at the Panasonic.
I've had the drill/driver, jig saw, and circular saw into my shopping bag, but I never hit the "buy" button. Still, after over an year, I still don't have enough funds to get them (spent on other cheaper hand tools instead ).

so it seems you don´t really need them maybe ? Maybe your corded tools work ?? I only would buy cordless if it´s a must and you work on top of a roof or so...

Are you saying the Panasonic NiMh versions were once made in Mexico?

yes.
couldn´t find any pics right now, but if you Google "Panasonic drill made in mexico" you´ll get an answer

I have no problem buying from Panasonic (formerly known as National) despite the COO being China. Years ago, they were at the forefront with their Li-ion technology, and I think with their brush-less motors as well. I believe they made 'smart' Li-ion batteries that no one else had at the time. Currently though, i think there's a few companies that offer these 'smart' Li-ion batteries.

i dunno, i never really looked into the different kinds of batteries, i think where they always shined was the capacity like in their old Ni-MH drills up to 3.5 AH or now with their newest Li-Ion batteries which also come in 3.5 AH at the weight where others offer 3 AH. Back in the days they were the only ones with 3.5 AH and nowadays too. But the cells itself ? I dunno if there is a big difference between the cells and charging technology among the tool manufacturers since most of them will be from Panasonic/Sanyo anyway...

Since i rarely use a cordless drill, maybe less than once in a month i didn´t want to spend that much and for below 200€ that´s everything you can find here in continental europe
10,8V tools would probably get the job done for me or a manual hand held screwdriver
For drilling i prefer corded power tools which are available in much higher quality and precision like from Fein

Do you think Panasonic still has an edge over other manufacturers with their technology, or are they more or less on a level playing field with other key players?

In terms of Battery AH rating yes but in terms of cell technology i don´t know, there are a couple of competitors like A123 systems, in terms of tool quality + innovation....take a look at Festool...

Yes Japanese quality is the best(better than European?)

i dunno....Do they make a Rolls Royce or Bentley ? Take a look at these power tools made entirely out of magnesium (except handle) http://www.duss.de/en/Produkte/Meissel-_und_Abbruchhammer/index.php?navanchor=1010022
Do they make something like this in Japan ?

Mexico is similar to American except fit and finish can vary sometime, and China is generally the lowest in the world(everything I've got from there has a corner cut somewhere...) Even my Bosch charger has a smell to it when its on.

Then i have good news for you: Panasonic from China is quite good

Nice deal. I wish more stuff was made in Japan the quality is so high there.

The "Max" brand power tools i posted before are made in Japan. There is still "Arm Sangyo" who makes drills/drivers in Japan:

"I was a little boy 5 years ago" Actually I wanted one when I first joined here after hearing about it being made in Mexico and Merk had one then I discovered Bosch... Interesting that its thought better of than Makita(I really like their older tools...)

Makita makes everything from hobby quality to pro quality so the brand cannot be the best, because hobby quality never is the best. (Like the BDF343 drills with plastic gears...)

This hex key set is from the same Taiwanese factory who makes many tools for KS-tools brand.But with KS-tools sticker on it cost +50%.Many times you get same tool for less.

...or a german or european made tool at the same price

 

[american lockpicker]

in terms of tool quality + innovation....take a look at Festool...

I agree.

i dunno....Do they make a Rolls Royce or Bentley ? Take a look at these power tools made entirely out of magnesium (except handle) http://www.duss.de/en/Produkte/Meissel-_und_Abbruchhammer/index.php?navanchor=1010022
Do they make something like this in Japan ?

I don't know. Also speaking of magnesium how is it a good material for tools? Its soft (can be cut easily with a knife) and is very flammable.

The "Max" brand power tools i posted before are made in Japan. There is still "Arm Sangyo" who makes drills/drivers in Japan:

Sold in USA?

 

[Monte]

I don't know. Also speaking of magnesium how is it a good material for tools? Its soft (can be cut easily with a knife) and is very flammable.

Here some infos about magnesium from Stihl:
http://magnesium.stihl.de/index.php

Stihl manufactures cast magnesium products for Hilti, Porsche, Mercedes, Festool, Mafell, Jaguar and BMW.

I´ve not yet heard of cars or power tools which burned down because of magnesium content in the product........

Sold in USA?

can be ordered direct from Japan. $452.38 with shipping included:
http://www.armsangyo.co.jp/cgi-bin/...=yes/su=yes/tf=group,key/to=f,n.html?mv_pc=53

You can pay with Master Card and Visa.




ps: maybe you like the tool on the left better

 

[Ratchet.]

soem more internet purchases

first some new ones first

wera torx #7, no coo on this one tho (i already got a #6 one, and the quality and materials feel inferior in comparison :/ so i guess not made in Germany?) have ordered another from the place i got the #6 though

and a stahlwille 7mm and 1/4" square brake adjusting tool no idea if ill ever use it but it was cheap (discontinued as you can see from the S engraving)

stahlwille 10 mm 1/2 inc drive inhex, nice quality as usual

stahlwille (ok so i like there tools )

27, 30 and 32mm 1/2 drive sockets, the 32 looks scratched in the picture but its not that bad in reality

and a NOS 21mm Elora socket, quality is so so on it, chrome is nice but the finish isnt brilliant allover

my favorite so far, a set of pb Swiss hex keys, the 'short' type, really nicely made, and feel strong, think i need to get a few of the 'normal' sets now

and last of the 'new' tools is a 23mm Gedore combination wrench, i guess this is an older style? not quite as 'tactile as the stahlwille ones, but equally finished and feels solid, not had a chance to use it yet

also the first of the second hand tools i got, a 30 + 32 mm Elora wrench, which is pretty big for a wrench, another tool i may never need, but wanted

next up, a couple of stahlewille ribe cv sockets, although i rarely come across this type of fastener its always nice to have some, i'll most likely get the rest fo the sizes later

these two are a bit of a mystery, both cold war era Hazets (or at least are stamped W-Germany) first one is a 27mm socket, but is a special tool apparently, i'm guessing its a diesel injector socket, but im not 100% on that, it also appears to have a hole through hit for a bar or something to go through,the item number is 4555 incase any hazet buffs want to check


second is a long 21mm socket, it 'looks' like a spark-plug socket, but has no rubber insert? maybe its gotten lost (i can possibly replace the insert if it has)
its an 880LG (long?) i like the polished and matte chrome on this one.

Lastly for now is an old Gedore 3/8 ratchet, nicely made, but feels a bit unbalanced to me, handle is light and head is heavy, i need to get a couple of replacement screws for it, felt pretty rough when i got it and i went to dismantle it, not knowing checking to see that the screws are peened/riveted over after installing them... it was dry inside so probably best i did take it apart (i can take pics if anyone is interested) its a fairly coarse ratchet, but has twin pawls, and can be 'locked' in center position

 

[north]

Cool stuff Ratchet.. Couple of the pics don't show though.

If we want to see pics of the ratchet innards? You must be new here.

 

[Ratchet.]

Cool stuff Ratchet.. Couple of the pics don't show though.

If we want to see pics of the ratchet innards? You must be new here.

fixed ,

True, i should know better, even from the short time I've been here , I'll get some up tomorrow hopefully.

 

[NY Old Guy]

I recently acquired these Stahlwille Motor wrenches in Whitworth sizes, a nice little open end set to add to the collection. They are in sizes 9/16 W through 1/8 W.

 

[zuspiel]

some links...:
http://www.werkzeugforum.de/WerkstattKultur-2011.5563.0.html

http://www.ausbauguide.de/201003104...k-Kalender-zeigt-die-schonsten-Kundinnen.html

http://www.werkzeugforum.de/WerkstattKultur2009.4295.0.html

Thanks! Like the second one a lot...

And thanks for removing the orig one, lockpicker.

 

[superautobacs]

some links...:
http://www.werkzeugforum.de/WerkstattKultur-2011.5563.0.html

http://www.ausbauguide.de/201003104...k-Kalender-zeigt-die-schonsten-Kundinnen.html

http://www.werkzeugforum.de/WerkstattKultur2009.4295.0.html

so it seems you don´t really need them maybe ? Maybe your corded tools work ?? I only would buy cordless if it´s a must and you work on top of a roof or so...

Yeah, you're speaking sensibly...I don't need them.
I have a 10.8v Li-ion Makita 1/4" drill/driver and impact driver for smaller stuff and a 1/2" capacity Craftsman 18v NiCad (albeit with a broken variable speed switch).
I have a POS, corded Black and Decker circ. saw, but no jig saw (I've managed so far with the old fashinoned hand saw).

...
I dunno if there is a big difference between the cells and charging technology among the tool manufacturers since most of them will be from Panasonic/Sanyo anyway...

Interesting. I didn't know that.

I guess I was surprised that you decided to buy a Panasonic, considering all the different brands you have available there with seemingly superior quality. But you said you've always wanted a Panasonic and in combination with the discount, you just had to have it.
For the price/performance ratio, I think the Panasonic is still nice....and fits my budget better compared to Fein or Festool.

I don't doubt you at all about the innovative power tools that Fein and Festool produces. I've seen the photos here and they just drool of first rate quality.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

these two are a bit of a mystery, both cold war era Hazets (or at least are stamped W-Germany) first one is a 27mm socket, but is a special tool apparently, i'm guessing its a diesel injector socket, but im not 100% on that, it also appears to have a hole through hit for a bar or something to go through,the item number is 4555 incase any hazet buffs want to check


second is a long 21mm socket, it 'looks' like a spark-plug socket, but has no rubber insert? maybe its gotten lost (i can possibly replace the insert if it has)
its an 880LG (long?) i like the polished and matte chrome on this one.

I thought about buying that 4555, but there was no size listed or details of the business/drive, so i passed on it. Is it 6- or 12-point? May well be for diesel injectors. The other is a standard 21mm, that's the Hazet deep style.

I bought those same Stahlwille 10mm hex driver and 27/30/32 sockets a while back, a sweet couple deals. There are some great deals to be had on some of their odd stuff on eBay.

 

[bulit]

@Monte
Makita makes everything from hobby quality to pro quality so the brand cannot be the best, because hobby quality never is the best. (Like the BDF343 drills with plastic gears...)


interesting,i thing makita is not the best,but not make hobby tools,because have drills with plastic gears !!!

Dewalt,Milwaukee and other brands have drills with plastic gears,example "hammer" drill with plastic gear housing

http://www.basf.com/group/pressrelease/P-10-374

sorry for my bad english

 

[kissmeimgerman]

@Monte
Makita makes everything from hobby quality to pro quality so the brand cannot be the best, because hobby quality never is the best. (Like the BDF343 drills with plastic gears...)


interesting,i thing makita is not the best,but not make hobby tools,because have drills with plastic gears !!!

Dewalt,Milwaukee and other brands have drills with plastic gears,example "hammer" drill with plastic gear housing

http://www.basf.com/group/pressrelease/P-10-374

sorry for my bad english

Interesting article, thanks for sharing!

 

[american lockpicker]

Here some infos about magnesium from Stihl:
http://magnesium.stihl.de/index.php

Interesting link.

I´ve not yet heard of cars or power tools which burned down because of magnesium content in the product........

Back when I was in USAF CAP we had these blocks of magnesium used to start fires. You would shave some of it off with a pocket knife and use the flint to start a fire.

can be ordered direct from Japan. $452.38 with shipping included:
http://www.armsangyo.co.jp/cgi-bin/...=yes/su=yes/tf=group,key/to=f,n.html?mv_pc=53

You can pay with Master Card and Visa.

Perfect.

ps: maybe you like the tool on the left better

Yes I like it much better.

 

[ricleh]

Here some infos about magnesium from Stihl:
http://magnesium.stihl.de/index.php

Stihl manufactures cast magnesium products for Hilti, Porsche, Mercedes, Festool, Mafell, Jaguar and BMW.

I´ve not yet heard of cars or power tools which burned down because of magnesium content in the product........

I've seen magnesium wheels burn up completely at drag races.

 

[ash95608]

Hi everybody, you guys know me as the NWS guy from German-hand-tools but what you don't know is I am addicted to buying tools I can't help it I just keep buying them. Well here is some of my tools from the old world.

My Bosch air tools all made in germany

My Bosch 1/4" 9.6v angle ratchet made in germany

Some Festool

Heyco and Hazet sae wrenches

Heyco and Hazet metric wrenches

Screw drivers all over the place

And where everything lives

 

[superautobacs]

WOW, you have it viral.

I like that HF composite ratchet....no joke.

 

[ash95608]

WOW, you have it viral.

I like that HF composite ratchet....no joke.

It is actually a BGS one but it is identical to the HF one just different color handle

 

[mofo62]

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Hazet in Japan.

V!