Tools from the old world
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Re: Tools from the old world (Monte's grinder collection)
@Monte:
THX for your kind reply and for sharing this with us,
must have been an uplifting experience to line them all up.
I enjoy the sight.
You know for yourself that you are addicted - but at least you admit.
Those unworthy holders of only dwarf sized grinder collections greet you in envy
@Monte:
THX for your kind reply and for sharing this with us,
must have been an uplifting experience to line them all up.
I enjoy the sight.
You know for yourself that you are addicted - but at least you admit.
Those unworthy holders of only dwarf sized grinder collections greet you in envy
superautobacs
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Monte,
Thanks for the photos of the Bessey/Format snips! I find it a bit odd that they'd still use flat head screws in this day and age though. ...but none the less, they are impressive looking!
Yeah, I was thinking the same regarding the product stickers...but perhaps they don't have stringent regulations regarding COO accuracy?
ICIC, good points.
RE: the epoxy coating. I did notice that Bosch angle grinder video you posted recently talked about that. I like those safety features too.
BTW, back about an year ago, at a local store they were selling two versions of a 5" Walter brand angle grinder on sale. They were both made in Germany and look very similar to your Metabo grinder, including that tool-less disc change feature. Perhaps Metabo is the OEM.
Do you find the body of the Metabo is a bit bulky compared with others of the same size?
Someone once said that Metabo was the leader in angle grinders; what's your view? Can you pick a favourite one?
Thanks for the photos of the Bessey/Format snips! I find it a bit odd that they'd still use flat head screws in this day and age though. ...but none the less, they are impressive looking!
The "Xi-On" sockets are exactly the ones i was thinking of when "Taiwan" came to my mind...
Hopefully the Tramontina guys don´t put the wrong stickers with "made in Brasil" on the packages...
Yeah, I was thinking the same regarding the product stickers...but perhaps they don't have stringent regulations regarding COO accuracy?
I want to use the grinder exclusively with wire wheels so i thought it might be a good idea to add the protectors so in case a wire flies around it can´t enter the tool. On the other hand the wire probably will shoot away from the grinder
http://www.metabo.co.uk/Product-catalogue-handheld-powertools.23958+M501b85f32b7.0.html
Since dust is what kills the motor the manufacturers use epoxy coating and other measures to protect the stator and rotor from abrasion. Fein for example goes one step further and installs the rotor 180 degree reversed so the brushholder is not at the end of the tool where the cable is but directly behind the gear case so dust/debris is directed away from the collector and brushes/brush holders so the collector/brushes are better protected from abrasion and a short much likely won´t happen.
ICIC, good points.
RE: the epoxy coating. I did notice that Bosch angle grinder video you posted recently talked about that. I like those safety features too.
BTW, back about an year ago, at a local store they were selling two versions of a 5" Walter brand angle grinder on sale. They were both made in Germany and look very similar to your Metabo grinder, including that tool-less disc change feature. Perhaps Metabo is the OEM.
Do you find the body of the Metabo is a bit bulky compared with others of the same size?
Someone once said that Metabo was the leader in angle grinders; what's your view? Can you pick a favourite one?
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i think they were laying around at that store for a while, others they had came already with Torx screws.
could be, or maybe they simply copy the design ? First the Taiwanese then the chinese and now the Brasilians ??
other quality manufacturers have this feature too, i think only noname/cheapo tools in DIY grade come without this protection nowadays because they´re constructed to only last a few hours.
yes they´re made by Metabo too, the Walter 7" + 9" grinders as well as the die grinders too. They look really nice in the Walter colors...
There are slimmer tools available like Bosch for example, but also bigger ones like Flex but the Metabo looks thicker than it is. Because of the "constrictions" in the housing of the tool which you can see good if you look at the pic with the side view and the pic with the top view it´s still ergonomic. I´ll take some more pics...
But i think it´s more a 2-hand grinder, a ligther, slimmer one-hand grinder from Metabo is this version.
A comparison of the angle grinders i own would be a little bit unfair because they come in different power ranges from 500 watt (about 5 AMP) to 1520 Watt (About 15 AMP), so the small angle grinder from Hitachi with 670 Watt has a very slim body housing so the ergonomics are the best but it has "no" power compared to the 1400 Watt model from Bosch which is equipped with a "Constant speed" feature so the tool acclerates under load so it slices through everything without bogging down while the 670 Watt grinder slows down from 11.000 rpm to lets say 6 or 7000 rpm while the Bosch cuts with 11.000 rpm. So you can´t say now the Bosch is better, because it´s heavier and bulkier and not really a "one hand" grinder. For different tasks, different tools...
But overall Bosch has a good offering in their grinder lineup, theirs have the slimmest housing in the higher Amp versions, a compact gear case, toolless adjustable guard like Metabo which keeps your fingers out of the range of the cutting/grinding wheel and other features which nowadays are also available from other manufacturers (Kick Back stop/Safety clutch, "SDS-Clic" toolless disc exchange etc.). So i think it´s a subjective thing which one to buy depending on your hand size, preferred color or coo, options/features etc.
Bosch also does a lot of OEM tools for Hilti, Wurth, Berner etc. so their tools can´t be that bad. Metabo grinders are nice too, they have a very good cable, the toolless adjustable guard is the best imho, the side handle is not that bulky compared to others, so overall I´m pretty satisfied with my Metabo.
The leader ? I don´t now who sells how many grinders or how you define "leader", in germany "Fein" has a very good reputation and "Flex" too, actually the word "Flex" is a synonym for "angle grinder" like "Hilti" or "Boschhammer" for rotary hammers, "Karcher" for pressure washers etc. If you look at ebay.de you see almost every angle grinder is advertised as "Flex" but only a very small amount is actually a "original Flex"... click
So maybe they´re the leader ? i dunno
But from the volume sold it will be Bosch i guess, they make 41 million power tools in a year, dunno how many of each type and how many the others make but thats probably 40 million more than the german competitors
Not "yes yes"?
yes yes = ja ja
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I'll have to remember that as I use "ja" in real life now.
littletoes
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Monte-Which is your favorite grinder??? Interested in the Bosch, although I will only consider ones with a "flapper" style of switch.
When wearing welding gloves its easier to "feel", and quicker to let "GO", when needed!
This thread is dangerously addictive.
I'll get around to posting some of my tools of construction/destruction/repair at some future date, but I thought I would post some of my tools of design to start with.
Here are some pictures of a very nice German-made Alvin drafting set my grandfather gave me as a present many years ago. He clearly knew I was going to be an engineer/experimentalist before I did. Some of the pieces are marked West Germany, others simply Germany.
All final design work is done in CAD, of course, but there are some things that I find easier to think about with a pencil, compass and set of triangles when I am first starting out. I find manual drafting is also good for making sketches to illustrate a point. Such sketches are often awkward to make in a CAD program but tedious to make in other drawing software. So I fall back on drawing hardware.
The compass is the most-used tool from the set -- I've never found a better compass. Smooth adjustment threads, rigid arms, beautiful fit and finish. It can do up to radius of 4.75", as shown in the last picture (along with the Alvin architect's scale).
I'll get around to posting some of my tools of construction/destruction/repair at some future date, but I thought I would post some of my tools of design to start with.
Here are some pictures of a very nice German-made Alvin drafting set my grandfather gave me as a present many years ago. He clearly knew I was going to be an engineer/experimentalist before I did. Some of the pieces are marked West Germany, others simply Germany.
All final design work is done in CAD, of course, but there are some things that I find easier to think about with a pencil, compass and set of triangles when I am first starting out. I find manual drafting is also good for making sketches to illustrate a point. Such sketches are often awkward to make in a CAD program but tedious to make in other drawing software. So I fall back on drawing hardware.
The compass is the most-used tool from the set -- I've never found a better compass. Smooth adjustment threads, rigid arms, beautiful fit and finish. It can do up to radius of 4.75", as shown in the last picture (along with the Alvin architect's scale).
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The plastic triangles and scales of the set I was given have been replaced in normal use by modern aluminum and steel fare from Alumicolor and C-THRU. The Alumicolor is made in El Salvador, the C-THRU is not marked with COO (presumably something Asian, I suspect -- though it is straight, accurate and has engraved calibrations, which is miles above your average office supply store steel ruler).
(No, nothing is bent -- my crummy camera just does that in macro mode.)
(No, nothing is bent -- my crummy camera just does that in macro mode.)
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For putting the lead onto the paper, I have a variety of drafting pencils with a variety of lead hardnesses, but the best are the Rotring 600 pencils, which I keep loaded with HB lead. The 0.3, 0.5 and 0.7 are actually Japanese made almost exactly to the original German design, but with a few improvements. The 0.9 is an original German-made piece. Also shown in the foreground are the matching ballpoint and fountain pen, also both German-made.
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Here's some other fun drafting-related stuff. Pentel Ain-STEIN lead straight off the boat from Japan. Smoothest, most break-resistant I've ever come across, and miles above the ordinary stuff you get in stores in the US.
BOXY eraser -- works better than anything else I've come across, has a convenient form factor, too. Again, straight from Japan.
Tombow Mono Zero eraser. 5mmX2.5mm eraser. Super useful for cleaning up drawings and equations. Also, Japan.
Something funny is how many of my supplies are from the Mitsubishi Pencil Company (known to most of the world as "Uniball"). From top to bottom of the third photo: Uni Jetstream (smoothest ballpoint I've found), the BOXY eraser again, 2.0mm drafting leads (H hardness), Uni Shift 0.3mm drafting pencil with retractable tip (my every day carry pencil -- the Rotring fixed lead sleeves would be too liable to be destroyed in a mobile pencil pouch, and would stab me in the leg if I put them in my pocket!), 0.05mm Uni PIN fine line pigment marker.
BOXY eraser -- works better than anything else I've come across, has a convenient form factor, too. Again, straight from Japan.
Tombow Mono Zero eraser. 5mmX2.5mm eraser. Super useful for cleaning up drawings and equations. Also, Japan.
Something funny is how many of my supplies are from the Mitsubishi Pencil Company (known to most of the world as "Uniball"). From top to bottom of the third photo: Uni Jetstream (smoothest ballpoint I've found), the BOXY eraser again, 2.0mm drafting leads (H hardness), Uni Shift 0.3mm drafting pencil with retractable tip (my every day carry pencil -- the Rotring fixed lead sleeves would be too liable to be destroyed in a mobile pencil pouch, and would stab me in the leg if I put them in my pocket!), 0.05mm Uni PIN fine line pigment marker.
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The pencil I use the Uni 2.0 H lead with is pretty cool, too. The Japan division of Staedtler makes the beautiful 925 25 ** "Silver Series" of drafting pencils, including a push-top 2.0mm lead holder. I use a German-made KUM Lead pointer, as shown in the final photo.
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This will be my last post about drafting/drawing supplies, I promise! (Unless y'all want to see more pens and stuff...)
Also from the KUM company of Germany is the Automatic Long Point sharpener for woodcase pencils. It enables you to get a sharper point than a normal sharpener traditionally would by sharpening the pencil in two steps. The lower hole cuts the wood but leaves the lead untouched, the upper hole cuts the lead to shape once you've gotten the wood to the correct shape. It also has pointers for 2.0mm and 3.2mm leads on the other side.
Also from the KUM company of Germany is the Automatic Long Point sharpener for woodcase pencils. It enables you to get a sharper point than a normal sharpener traditionally would by sharpening the pencil in two steps. The lower hole cuts the wood but leaves the lead untouched, the upper hole cuts the lead to shape once you've gotten the wood to the correct shape. It also has pointers for 2.0mm and 3.2mm leads on the other side.
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Nice stuff! Too bad about the COO, but they still look good.
Nice hex key handle, that's a neat idea. Which sizes are available?
Price?
I think it's the other way around. As I have heard when having contact with Brazilian companies though work, Brazil is very keen on having stuff made in Brazil. To achieve that, they have very high import tax. This leads to that in order to sell stuff cheap, you must produce it in the country. So it's probably a case of someone having got a production line from Taiwan going in Brazil.
Volkswagen has done the same, shipping old production lines to Brazil in order to be competitive on the market.
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Cool stuff Plasmatic. I'll get some writing insturment pics later today.
I'll get some writing insturment pics later today. littletoes
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Plasmatic, those are some nice looking Drafting Tools!
And here, I've only heard of the 0.3mm by Staedtler! Hard to find lead for that one locally. I have a nice set of the graphite 925's.
What are you using for a Mobile Pencil Pouch??? Curious.....
And here, I've only heard of the 0.3mm by Staedtler! Hard to find lead for that one locally. I have a nice set of the graphite 925's.
What are you using for a Mobile Pencil Pouch??? Curious.....
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More Bahco tools;
Double ring wrenches, or "Bahco PS"
I was able to collect compleat set this old (better?) desing.
btw;
Does folks know why so odd name for Swedish comppany "Bahco"?
Berndt August Hjorth & CO
Or
Bahco
8mm - 9mm wrench here in picture has this old name on it, but "Bahco" text on other side.
Double ring wrenches, or "Bahco PS"
I was able to collect compleat set this old (better?) desing.
btw;
Does folks know why so odd name for Swedish comppany "Bahco"?
Berndt August Hjorth & CO
Or
Bahco
8mm - 9mm wrench here in picture has this old name on it, but "Bahco" text on other side.
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21cm to 26cm, ring end is similar to Bahco PU serrie.
Othervise very similar to Hazet 625 serrie.
magnusk750
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Do you have some cave in Finland with NOS Bacho stuff??? I'd kill for that, or just take the boat and but some...
More Bahco tools;
Double ring wrenches, or "Bahco PS"
I was able to collect compleat set this old (better?) desing.
Yes, I have.
18/19mm is NOS, 12/13mm got little use, rest of those are really old. 10/11mm is really hard to find as many of them are cut to used in brake line, I mean; This was third one, and only one that got no cut 11mm end.
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All this is basic stuff but back when I was in school I had some nice fountain pens.
The pouch is custom made to my specifications by my ladyfriend. Fits just perfectly into a pouch on my bag, and keeps everything organized and in reach. Not sure where the material is from, so I guess you could say the country of origin statement is made in USA of materials of unknown origin.
In the back I have a cheapo 6" steel ruler and plastic protractor, which I keep in paper sleeves to keep from having the lettering wear off. (That’s the problem with non-inscribed calibrations.)
From left to right, blue Uni Jetstream, green Zebra F-301 (love to replace it with a green Jetstream if I ever get around to finding one), red Uni Jetstream, Pentel Click Eraser (this actually came in the drafting set, too -- I suppose it technically beats the compass for "most used"), Tombow Mono Zero mini eraser, Uni Shift 0.3mm, black Uni Jetstream. And if it were a few decades ago, I guess I'd be expected to keep all these in a pocket protector on my shirt along with a slide rule!
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AutomatiquE
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@Monte : What to say about this impressive and high quality angle grinder collection...
@Plasmatic : Nice writting tools, i like it
@americanlockpicker : I know these BIC and Staedler stuffs since i'm 5. Nice to see them in USA
@magnusk750 : Didn't know Bahco made such nice forged wrenches, almost looks like Asahi's products
Random tools.
Heyco, Benscheidt and Rennsteig.
PB Swiss + Wiha Hex driver (cold war era
).
Protractor from http://www.shinwasokutei.co.jp/
Stahlwille and Benscheidt chisels + Horex(Preisser) square.
@Plasmatic : Nice writting tools, i like it
@americanlockpicker : I know these BIC and Staedler stuffs since i'm 5. Nice to see them in USA
@magnusk750 : Didn't know Bahco made such nice forged wrenches, almost looks like Asahi's products
Random tools.
Heyco, Benscheidt and Rennsteig.
PB Swiss + Wiha Hex driver (cold war era
).
Protractor from http://www.shinwasokutei.co.jp/
Stahlwille and Benscheidt chisels + Horex(Preisser) square.
Re: Facom COO on some tools..
Is that ratchet one that you can rotate and twist from handel? How does one work in real life?
Is that ratchet one that you can rotate and twist from handel? How does one work in real life?
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@americanlockpicker : I know these BIC and Staedler stuffs since i'm 5. Nice to see them in USA
I've known Bic since I was 7 or so. In my elementary school there was a stationary vending machine that sold them for 50 cents and kids would get them take them apart, snap off the tips, reassemble and use them as launchers.
It appears they have modified the design since the 90s...
The brands are quite popular here but its hard to find stuff not made in Mexico or China now...
Re: Facom COO on some tools..
Yes it is. J.360 ROTATOR RATCHET STANLEY FACOM
I haven't had a chance to use it yet in real life, but I could've used it last week when removing the windshield washer fluid tank from my Honda.
It is much smoother than the cheaper Stanly branded version and works while rotating the handle in either direction. I had my doubts about it but it will definitely come in handy at times.
Yes it is. J.360 ROTATOR RATCHET STANLEY FACOM
I haven't had a chance to use it yet in real life, but I could've used it last week when removing the windshield washer fluid tank from my Honda.
It is much smoother than the cheaper Stanly branded version and works while rotating the handle in either direction. I had my doubts about it but it will definitely come in handy at times.
CADOS cotter pin drivers set (at €12,90)
CADOS is a RIGID Peddinghaus brand.
After I bought a CAROLUS (i.e.: the GEDORE sub-brand) cotter pin set (at €17,90), I was completely disappointed about the extremely low quality of the sliding surface grinding.
My hardware store was kind enough to let me change it (in unused condition, of course) against the CADOS cotter pin set shown.
Of course, both sets are a far cry from the beauty of the 'PB Swiss tools' shown in this thread long time ago.
As I still had some other cotter pins, drift punch and my center punch 'flying around', I decided to just buy the Carolus case to hold them.
The CADOS cotter pinch were painted red by just dipping it into the paint.
Unfortunately, they forgot to grind the heads off the paint, but you can't have everything.
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CADOS is a RIGID Peddinghaus brand.
After I bought a CAROLUS (i.e.: the GEDORE sub-brand) cotter pin set (at €17,90), I was completely disappointed about the extremely low quality of the sliding surface grinding.
My hardware store was kind enough to let me change it (in unused condition, of course) against the CADOS cotter pin set shown.
Of course, both sets are a far cry from the beauty of the 'PB Swiss tools' shown in this thread long time ago.
As I still had some other cotter pins, drift punch and my center punch 'flying around', I decided to just buy the Carolus case to hold them.
The CADOS cotter pinch were painted red by just dipping it into the paint.
Unfortunately, they forgot to grind the heads off the paint, but you can't have everything.
Pls. see pics:
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One has 8 and the other one 10mm diameter. Not exclusively for hex key, rather for files, countersinks and such.
what is a "flapper" style switch ?
my favourites are the Bosch and Metabo i think for general use, for longer periods of grinding with the grinding wheel i prefer the Atlas Copco because the "Autobalancer" flange reduces the vibrations to a minimum. (Also available from Metabo)
At the company we have a Metabo "WB 11-125" with built in brake so the disc stops after 3 seconds if you shut off the tool, thats a nice feature too so you dont have to watch where you put the grinder or have to wait until the tool stops so it don´t **** in all the dust from the workbench where you put the tool.
Faber Castell sells them in Germany under their brand:
www.faber-castell.de
82 euro
around 79.- in the net:
http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l2736&_nkw=metabo+8-125
wow the "Stockholm" Bahco wrenches are cool !!!!
230mm grinder 2000w+,soft start, tool-less adjustable guard,with quality "big" bearings etc.New or used,if new then minimum 3year full warranty.You have a big collection indeedand if you want to sell...
Bosch GWS 22-230 JH but it has no tool-less adjustable guard but its cheap at 110.- € @ ebay. Or GWS 22-230 LVI with tool-less adjustable guard and anti vibration for the main handle + side handle for 190.-€
Metabo WX 22-230 for 150.- @ ebay.de similar to the GWS 22-230 JH. There is a Metabo WX 2000 special model for 115.- which is similar to the Bosch "JH" model but it has no soft start + no toolless guard i think.
So i would take the GWS 22-230 LVI or WX 22-230 because they have all the options you want , 2200 Watt, and 3 years warranty and the price of 150 - 190.- (internet) is very reasonable and both are even "Made in Germany" too.
sell ? Don´t know that word
nice quality selection !!!!!
where did you find them ?
next time:
http://www.hoffmann-tools.com/Handw...ml?force_sid=l3qndgq5363b1e1opk963mik4o9obsmp
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AutomatiquE
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... kids would get them take them apart, snap off the tips, reassemble and use them as launchers.
Looks like we played same BIC games...
nice quality selection !!!!!
Rennsteig from Hoffmann group, Heyco purchased online, Benscheidt bought from leboncoin.fr (~Ebay). The seller of the Benscheidt stuffs was a French guy living close to the German border
Also, couldn't resist to buy this NOS short scrapper. Eur2,-
Interresting. Didn't know for that pad
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ah ok paddle switch
@ your Bosch dealer
http://www.acetoolonline.com/Bosch-MG0450-4-1-2-Rubber-Backing-Pad-p/bos-mg0450.htm
page 20:
http://boschtools.com/AboutBoschToo...0 Catalog PDF/2010 Grinders_Metal Working.pdf
Rennsteig from Hoffmann group, Heyco purchased online, Benscheidt bought from leboncoin.fr (~Ebay). The seller of the Benscheidt stuffs was a French guy living close to the German border
ah ok because Benscheidt stuff is difficult to find here... it seems i have to look in france to buy german tools
@littletoes:
the Bosch + Metabo paddle switch grinders:
old Metabo
new Metabo
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Is that made in Sweden?