Tools from the old world

[north]

New Bahco file today. Made in Portugal. The black part on the new handle is a bit stickier than the old handle.

 

[american lockpicker]

How many Jag owner wrench on their cars....?

Not many but all the German luxury cars come with tools...

btw. take care of your hands.... found this winter work gloves at the local Aldi store
the "Thinsulate" stuff is really good

Are those from here?

 

[Monte]

New Bahco file today. Made in Portugal. The black part on the new handle is a bit stickier than the old handle.

i like the new handles !

Not many but all the German luxury cars come with tools...

because they´re defective more often

Are those from here?

If "here" means Bangladesh or India then yes

 

[juniork5]

Those are some nice pliers me likes.

 

[north]

The after pics. Top to bottom + Bahco left and Kongsberg right:

- Unknown. Measured to 29mm - 24mm
- Rheidco-Metabo 21mm
- Arvika Verken 5/8" - 1/2" (Whitworth)
- Stahlwille Stabil 27mm - 22mm
- Stahlwille Stabil 17mm - 14mm
- Stubai (Austria) 1/2" - 7/16"
- Kongsberg (not in the first pic)
- Bahco adjustable (left)
- Kongsberg adjustable (right)

The knife was just cleaned with a 3M wheel and I forgot to put in the picture.

The Kongsberg was beat up under the gunk and the worse of the two adjustables. It needed some file work to have the jaw move properly, hence the Bahco file from before.

 

[TjoFrasse]

Hey guys. Look what I have for you.

That is a good looking plier! Nice find!

When the European meets Asian all task done smoothly

Cool pics! Thanks for posting.

btw Gedore stuff + pliers:

Those pliers looks good. Happy with them?

The after pics. Top to bottom + Bahco left and Kongsberg right:

- Unknown. Measured to 29mm - 24mm
- Rheidco Metabo 21mm
- Arvika Verken Whitworth 5/8" - 1/2"
- Stahlwillwe Stabil 27mm - 22mm
- Stahlwille Stabil 17mm - 14mm
- Stubai (Austria) 1/2" - 7/16"
- Kongsberg (not in the first pic)
- Bahco adjustable (left)
- Kongsberg adjustable (right)

I had never heard of Arvika Verken, had to google it. Found http://www.volvogroup.com/group/swe...seums/pages/history_arvikamuseet_history.aspx

Seems it should have been made between 1917 and 1959.

 

[lok]

Wow! Beautiful. Did you steal it from the art museum!

btw Gedore stuff + pliers:

Gedore pliers set

...

This is my next purchase.

Monte is these new? They Have some differences from those on the catalogue.
This little mark does not exist in what I saw in the shop and and I think the finish in the 8250 is slightly different (maybe not).

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Unfortunately only a few came today.

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I'm a little disappointed with the sliding T-Handle. All the 1 / 4 socets have a little play but nothing annoying. The T-handle have much larger playing.

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[AutomatiquE]

Actually no.
Those are old, that Beta factory's where in that time;Italy (1938 Sovico, 1973 Castiglione...

Ok Thanks
Btw, Castiglione...in Calabria ?

Well, I just got it so I haven't put it through its paces yet...

Ok buddy, thanks for info

Thanks for the info Automatique.
Do you think those with titan finish have the same resistant to rust as the chrome plated?

I don't know, actually i used my universal pliers maybe 15-20 times max. And always in my garage, never outdoor. But this titan finish looks really strong.

ps: Very nice Odur-fit pliers, really good quality looking and old school stuff I always wanted one of those , i'm jealous...

When the European meets Asian all task done smoothly

Tone, Hazet, etc...very fresh pics Mr tools
thank you very much, that's always a pleasure to see high quality tools Also, happy to see the Hazet circlip pliers "in action", Ok they're not made from Chrome-Vanadium, Ok they're just stamped steel but Man...wow they're so original

btw Gedore stuff + pliers:

Nice "K" pliers, didn't know about this new model with "arrows"

New Bahco file today. Made in Portugal...

Unfortunately only a few came today.

Quality bits set at the good price : smart

Unfortunately I'm a little disappointed with the sliding T-Handle. All the 1 / 4 socets have a little play but nothing annoying. The T-handle have much larger playing.

My hazet 1/4 ratchet and sockets have a comparable play. It seems many 1/4 sets have this issue, you should not be worry about that. (Monte, correct me if i'm wrong).

btw. take care of your hands.... found this winter work gloves

Talking about gloves
Venitex

 

[north]

*snip*

I had never heard of Arvika Verken, had to google it. Found http://www.volvogroup.com/group/swe...seums/pages/history_arvikamuseet_history.aspx

Seems it should have been made between 1917 and 1959.

Thank you neighbour. It is one stout wrench.

 

[american lockpicker]

because they´re defective more often

Your not inspiring confidence in German engineering Monte. BTW what do you think about Mercedes Benz C Class? Is it quality despite low cost and most importantly is it made in Germany?

http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicles/class/class-C

I'm considering getting one in 5 years.

If "here" means Bangladesh or India then yes

I meant USA, lots of stuff(clothing, etc.) I see with that 3M Thinsulate label is made in USA.

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Thinsulate_Insulation/Homepage/

 

[zer0cell]

Those Gedore pliers look amazing... I guess it doesn't matter much what a tool looks like as long as it gets the job done but I gotta say they certainly made them attractive. I love the black and blue color scheme too.

 

[cosmik binturong]

Your not inspiring confidence in German engineering Monte. BTW what do you think about Mercedes Benz C Class? Is it quality despite low cost and most importantly is it made in Germany?

http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicles/class/class-C

I'm considering getting one in 5 years.

but what will you drive in the meantime, eh?

get a VW Phaeton V8 with Long Life contract *now* and leave all those poseurs' Mercos where they rightly belong: waaaaaaaaay behind you on the Autobahn!

just don't mix it with !

 

[american lockpicker]

I walk everywhere or carpool. The Phaeton looks ok and is German made but its a Volkswagon... Also theres no dealer for that in my county.

 

[mrtools]

how did you cut it ? Blue or black foam would look nice

Home made..just cut it with utility knife and some custom made pipe for cut a round slot for sockets
Yeaah it a good color tone for Hazet

come´on you want a 1 cm thick case to be satisfied
but thats to expensive and heavy

It not what I means in the catalog PICS it looks thick and tough enough! a thickness maybe a second issue but the most important is a plastic material it looks so easy to brake or maybe it only design to a smart guys not for me a smart + rough guy
to be honest + professional it my personal opinion, I did not mean to condemn Hazet Smart case..hopefully GJ members think with positive way about this matters It is for improvement on their product
I hope in the future Hazet made a Smart case from durable plastic material like this:

thanks for the "action" pics !!!!
awesome !!!

You are welcome!! Thank for your compliment

btw: Very nice glove

Great pics, mrtools! I used to work at NTN and have been to several of thier plants and the headquarters in Japan.

Thanks buddy
NTN rules

btw Gedore stuff + pliers:
Gedore pliers set

Awesome PICS + pliers
only Euro 23.74??

New Bahco file today. Made in Portugal. The black part on the new handle is a bit stickier than the old handle.

Excellence! no doubt Bahco made a very good files how much?

Cool pics! Thanks for posting.

You are welcome

Unfortunately only a few came today.
I'm a little disappointed with the sliding T-Handle. All the 1 / 4 socets have a little play but nothing annoying. The T-handle have much larger playing.

Nice shopping congratulation!
It still work right

 

[mrtools]

Tone, Hazet, etc...very fresh pics Mr tools
thank you very much, that's always a pleasure to see high quality tools Also, happy to see the Hazet circlip pliers "in action", Ok they're not made from Chrome-Vanadium, Ok they're just stamped steel but Man...wow they're so original

You are welcome!
Yeah that my ways to test my shinny tools at work site
I like old Hazet tools it work with confidence awesome tool steel

 

[north]

*snip*

Excellence! no doubt Bahco made a very good files how much?

*snip*

NOK 89 at a local store.

I like that ratchet in the Stanley case. Is that a Koken?

 

[mrtools]

NOK 89 at a local store.
I like that ratchet in the Stanley case. Is that a Koken?

Great price
It not Koken but Genius..a shape similar to Koken right

That is an "original" Koken

And here is Genius..some close-up PICS for you:

a little bit difference handle compare with Koken

But a ratchet head looks very similar

 

[north]

I see, thanks. I've seen them before now that you mention it, just don't see that style to often on ebay. I really like that 'Proto' head design.

Thanks for the great pics.

 

[modo]

Hi Guys,modo here again.Seems to be this feeling that Beta tools are no longer available in the US.confess i am a little biased as i worked for them in the UK for a number of years and have plenty of them ,Done some more digging and the US distributor is Procare USA in Huntington Beach CA,and they have no plans to drop the line and are expanding--it appears even NASA are using them.I also still have an internal Beta list which gives coo for all products-so if you want to fire any items to me i will let you know.
Modo

 

[Ratchet.]

Thanks for the info Automatique.
Do you think those with titan finish have the same resistant to rust as the chrome plated?





Hey guys. Look what I have for you.

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nice where did you get them?

design looks like it hasn't changed much sins the 60's?

or at least thats what the logo font = handles look like there from (and the box if the other pics ive seen are correct, old school cardboard, v-cool)


whats the quality like? id buy a pair regardless though....

 

[north]

*snip*.I also still have an internal Beta list which gives coo for all products-so if you want to fire any items to me i will let you know.
Modo

What can you tell us about COO on ratchets, sockets, wrenches and pliers?

 

[american lockpicker]

Wish I has seen that post I just sent him a PM about something similar.

 

[lok]

I don't know, actually i used my universal pliers maybe 15-20 times max. And always in my garage, never outdoor. But this titan finish looks really strong.

ps: Very nice Odur-fit pliers, really good quality looking and old school stuff I always wanted one of those , i'm jealous...

Quality bits set at the good price : smart

My hazet 1/4 ratchet and sockets have a comparable play. It seems many 1/4 sets have this issue, you should not be worry about that. (Monte, correct me if i'm wrong).

Thanks Automatique.

when I saw it I bought it immediately with the excuse to myself that the set of pliers that I want to buy is a bit expensive for now.

Only the bit socket costs as the entire set. This is one of the best offers of gedore magic.

Yes I know but it's a little annoying. My carolus 1/4 sliding T-handle and extension have significantly less play. Guess it's because of the locking. The 1/4 gedore sliding T-handle wihtout the locking have also less play.
Ηowever the 1/2 with the locking construction have close to zero play.

Nice shopping congratulation!
It still work right

Thanks.
Yes it's highly functional.

nice where did you get them?

design looks like it hasn't changed much sins the 60's?

or at least thats what the logo font = handles look like there from (and the box if the other pics ive seen are correct, old school cardboard, v-cool)


whats the quality like? id buy a pair regardless though....

I bought it from the local gedore dealer. I think that the appearance hasn't changed. At least not since I was a child.

As for the quality, I am not an expert but I think it is very good. Νot as good as on my old nws, but nothing to the functionality.

The edges are not smooth.

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Ok maybe the most important tool for me.

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Where can I find one for the 1 / 4 ratchet?

 

[packet]

btw Gedore stuff + pliers:







Gedore pliers set

23.74 euro for that set? Man I wish I could get those for that price over here.

 

[Rusik]

Hello

DDR

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[Rusik]

Poland

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[Rusik]

USSR

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[american lockpicker]

Very nice.

 

[north]

Very nice stuff Rusik. Were tools from some of the former eastern block countries considered better quality than others?

 

[Rusik]

Very nice stuff Rusik. Were tools from some of the former eastern block countries considered better quality than others?

It is difficult to answer briefly. All products of the Eastern bloc were valued for their quality. Quality was acceptable and stable. I do not compare with Western Europe. Because the goods from there was very little

 

[north]

Ok, thanks.

 

[Monte]

The after pics. Top to bottom

Looks much better now

Those pliers looks good. Happy with them?

they´re new, i didn´t used them. But i have another similar set but i only use it at home that means not very often (cutting welding wire, cutting wire rope from the Shimano gear thingy etc.) but they work I like the design and color combination and the matt chrome finish and the handles

Monte is these new? They Have some differences from those on the catalogue.
This little mark does not exist in what I saw in the shop and and I think the finish in the 8250 is slightly different (maybe not).

I think they are older, from 2005. The new ones don´t have these marks i think. Not at the internet pics at least etc. The newer set i pictured above also don´t have the marks. (Look at the side cutters , the "K" ("Kraft") model) See also 3 pics below:

ps: nice bit set ! Did you already try it ? Is the bit holder good ? Or out of round (wobble ) ?

btw:

8250 vs. 8245



note the joint location:

Nice "K" pliers, didn't know about this new model with "arrows"

i think they´re older. The included leaflet says something like "Aktion05" so i think they´re from their sales promo ("Aktion") 2005 (08/05 ....August 2005)



btw.:

Talking about gloves
Venitex

Looking good !! coo ?

Your not inspiring confidence in German engineering Monte. BTW what do you think about Mercedes Benz C Class? Is it quality despite low cost and most importantly is it made in Germany?
I'm considering getting one in 5 years.

i don´t know how the quality will be in 5 years my crystal ball is defective can´t see sh*t
There were some problems with the "4 eyes" E-class with rust. Heard nothing about the most recent models yet.

at least "assembled in Germany"
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here a video of E-Class assembling. There you also can see someone who uses a Bosch drill (@ 1:47)

here a video in english where you can the press shop, paint shop etc.:
so it seems they actually make them

I meant USA, lots of stuff(clothing, etc.) I see with that 3M Thinsulate label is made in USA.

i dunno the gloves have no coo, the Thinsulate info sticker says "printed in Japan" so maybe...... japan ?

I walk everywhere or carpool. The Phaeton looks ok and is German made but its a Volkswagon... Also theres no dealer for that in my county.

you could import one

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Home made..just cut it with utility knife and some custom made pipe for cut a round slot for sockets

aaahhh nice ! Looks like it was made with a router or so

It not what I means in the catalog PICS it looks thick and tough enough! a thickness maybe a second issue but the most important is a plastic material it looks so easy to brake or maybe it only design to a smart guys not for me a smart + rough guy

try to break it
throw it on the ground and drive with your car over the case
Let us know how it performed

only Euro 23.74??

yes

I also still have an internal Beta list which gives coo for all products-so if you want to fire any items to me i will let you know.
Modo

Hi,
do you know the coo of the part # 012720018 , # 011510280 , # 009200893 , # 000420613 ?

23.74 euro for that set? Man I wish I could get those for that price over here.

The new promo set is even cheaper:
http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Gedore/Mag...283_Zangenset_Special_Edition_i2369_26007.htm

Hello

nice measuring tools !!!






Inprired by mrtools post with his "tools in action" i made some action pics too

tire/wheels change from summer to winter tires:



useful as hub cap remover:
(Ford car tool kit wrench)




oil + filter change




some tools i needed to remove the door panel...




..because of this little problem

 

[Rusik]

@Monte, the photo is your work?

 

[epiphany]

Urghs, is that a BMW E46/5?

 

[AutomatiquE]

That is an "original" Koken...And here is Genius..some close-up PICS for you

Thanks for the review mrtools
ps : I prefer the Koken...

The edges are not smooth... I love the industrial appearance...

DDR,Poland,USSR

Interesting measuring tools

Off topic : Did you know Suhl in Germany was famous for their Makarov pistol clone, i mean made with an outstanding finish ?

note the joint location

High leverage plier

Looking good !! coo ?

No COO. Probably made in China.

i don´t know how the quality will be in 5 years my crystal ball is defective can´t see sh*t

Inprired by mrtools post with his "tools in action" i made some action pics too

Cool pics, thanks


Few pics of my trolley jack.
AC DK20Q




Equiped with a special tool used for lifting car under the lateral sides.


Old French brand SIEPA but now made in China. Business as usual...

 

[american lockpicker]

Were tools from some of the former eastern block countries considered better quality than others?

German Democratic Republic, Soviet Union, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Czechoslavakia were good Romania and Albania not so good...

i don´t know how the quality will be in 5 years my crystal ball is defective can´t see sh*t

lol

here a video of E-Class assembling. There you also can see someone who uses a Bosch drill (@ 1:47)

OOO Bosch

you could import one

Or I could get one in Ohio. I just like getting a car close so I won't have to drive far to get it serviced.

Off topic : Did you know Suhl in Germany was famous for their Makarov pistol clone, i mean made with an outstanding finish ?

A radio dealer I know has one of those. Its very well made. I had the Western counterpart with crude finish and cheap aluminium frame(it used to be steel with polished finish on Walther P38...) Walther P1.

 

[Monte]

@Monte, the photo is your work?

no, just my hobby...helping people out...repairing/fixing stuff

Urghs, is that a BMW E46/5?

E46, 316 coupe, BJ. 2002

High leverage plier

No COO. Probably made in China.

Cool pics, thanks

Few pics of my trolley jack.
AC DK20Q

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

Equiped with a special tool used for lifting car under the lateral sides.

neat tool !!!! But not this Siepa ? www.siepa.com

lol

OOO Bosch

Or I could get one in Ohio. I just like getting a car close so I won't have to drive far to get it serviced.

even better idea
But don´t borrow it to your sister

 

[AutomatiquE]

I had the Western counterpart with crude finish and cheap aluminium frame(it used to be steel with polished finish on Walther P38...) Walther P1.

You didn't like the P1 ?! A friend of mine had one, ok the black phosphated finish was typical "Bundeswehr" and different than the Zella Melhis era but still a nice piece of German post-war enginering

neat tool !!!! But not this Siepa ?

Yes, this Siepa...Now they're just tool resellers

 

[american lockpicker]

You didn't like the P1 ?! A friend of mine had one, ok the black phosphated finish was typical "Bundeswehr" and different than the Zella Melhis era but still a nice piece of German post-war enginering

Nope it had a nice trigger and left ejecting but I didn't really care for it. I had another gun from Germany I really liked Heckler & Kock VP70. I don't think it was legal because when you added a stock it would fire 3 round bursts.

I didn't like the long heavy DAO trigger but it felt good in my hand and held like 19 rounds.

 

[unknow82]

btw Gedore stuff + pliers:

Gedore pliers set

I got exactly same set and prise was 24€. I really like these pliers, but how these compare NWS ones?