Tools from the old world

[lok]

south africa or Brazil

I think both version of adjustable wrenches haven't the coo. Thanks Monte.

nice (comparison) pics !
The ratcheting indeed is rougher compared to all other wrenches, but it also feels "Stronger" somehow. In a recent Gearwrench thread someone showed a pic of the package which said that the Gearwrench ratcheting wrenches are "Precision tools not intended to free frozen fasteners" (or so) but the Gedores feels like they can do that

Yes I agree! Somehow it gives you the feeling that is very strong.

Today I used it a little and I'm very satisfied with it. I think I'll buy the entire set, or the most common sizes at least.

 

[lok]

That Gedore adjustable wrench has a sort of unpleasant aesthetic design to it....IMO. I couldn't see that getting approved past the design department at the German headquarters.
I don't mean to flak on your tool, Lok, just my observation.

Don't worry superaoutobacs, I can not even understand what the "flak on your tool" means. (but I can guess ).

It's simply a matter of taste. Besides, the appearance is subjective. Personally I can not say that is pretty but neither so ugly. It has a better appearance in the real world than in a photo. I guess!

At first I was between this and the iregka . Ηard decision (for me at least ) . I chose this because it seems to be very robust and the grip is actually very comfortable.

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[Monte]

Cool.

The city was once german too
Looks german but is in China:
http://www.foto-dock.com/suchen.php?sbv=Qingdao+Tsingtao&sp=7

Sure. I can shoot on my front porch, in the front yard or the woods(except this time of the year as all my neighbours are out hunting.) Also I have access to the range owned by Dupont as my dad retired from there but I only visit it maybe once a year.

hunt the neighbours

The non-reversible ones that are made in China are manufactured with poor tolerances. The mechanism has a lot of unneccessary play in them and that's likely a big contributor to lock-ups. The Taiwanese ones are better, especially the ones made by Kabo. The mechanism has less play and little backlash.

i wonder why companies produce such products when they give lifetime warranty ?.... Must cost them a lot of money on the long run ?!?
...and Kabo is difficult to find....

That Gedore adjustable wrench has a sort of unpleasant aesthetic design to it....IMO. I couldn't see that getting approved past the design department at the German headquarters.
I don't mean to flak on your tool, Lok, just my observation.

I think both version of adjustable wrenches haven't the coo. Thanks Monte.

Yes I agree! Somehow it gives you the feeling that is very strong.

hopefully they are because i want to buy a set in 2012

Today I used it a little and I'm very satisfied with it. I think I'll buy the entire set, or the most common sizes at least.

they offer nice little sets with the most common sizes (8,10,13,17,19mm)

the extra long ones are nice (to have...) too i think

ps:
the blue handled ones look nice !

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[lok]

hopefully they are because i want to buy a set in 2012

Me too, but now I need a set of non-ratcheting stubby combo wrenches.
Any idea?
May I have the number 7 in stubby please?

they offer nice little sets with the most common sizes (8,10,13,17,19mm)

the extra long ones are nice (to have...) too i think

 

[american lockpicker]

The city was once german too
Looks german but is in China:
http://www.foto-dock.com/suchen.php?sbv=Qingdao+Tsingtao&sp=7

Keine bilder gefunden but I looked it up on wikipedia and found this.


"The unique combination of German and Chinese architecture in the city centre, combined with German demographic roots and a large Korean expatriate population, gives Qingdao a distinct atmosphere. A larger number of areas in former foreign styles are well preserved. Although the new city area is under large-scale reconstruction, the old city area (especially Taixi) still retains some traditional buildings."

Also I remember one of the asian girls I talk to telling me that in China(or South Korea? ) theres a place just like Venice.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Nice! Guess your paycheck is spoken for the next couple of decades.

Yes, maybe!

 

[Sick Puppy]

New Bahco file today. Made in Portugal. The black part on the new handle is a bit stickier than the old handle.

These any good? Seem to be the only ones available here that aren't from China. Not looking forward to the $20US I'll have to pay for each one though! lol

 

[superautobacs]

@Lok,

Yup, it's subjective for sure.
The important part is that you're happy with it.

i wonder why companies produce such products when they give lifetime warranty ?.... Must cost them a lot of money on the long run ?!?
...and Kabo is difficult to find....

For Apex/Danaher/Sata China, selling quantity over quality prevails. Perhaps it's more costly to them to produce quality over quantity. They can easily absorb the costs associated with warranty claims. Maybe ?

Kabo....maybe you can source some from Pedros, Berner (some), or Ega Master.

 

[duda]

Is there any thread on the forum, Web Shops? I wanted a list of European sites where i can buy tools.

in Portugal also able to buy some tool minimally good as FACOM and beta, do not know what zone you are, but looking on google for TED is where I usually buy, has a shop in Lisbon and another in the business of tobacco, unfortunately the market Portuguese is a real shame for those who are fond of this type of market, so even the last solution ebay.cumps

 

[adamio]

Kabo....maybe you can source some from Pedros, Berner (some), or Ega Master.

Nice, also distrelec sells some of their tools in germany.

 

[knightmasks]

in Portugal also able to buy some tool minimally good as FACOM and beta, do not know what zone you are, but looking on google for TED is where I usually buy, has a shop in Lisbon and another in the business of tobacco, unfortunately the market Portuguese is a real shame for those who are fond of this type of market, so even the last solution ebay.cumps

Many times i use ebay.de. Good prices, good shipping and good service . I Did a good deal here for some time there with facom 1/2 socket set.

 

[Monte]

Me too, but now I need a set of non-ratcheting stubby combo wrenches.
Any idea?

only import....

May I have the number 7 in stubby please?

ok send me a set of No. 7 wrenches and i´ll take my angle grinder + welder to work

"The unique combination of German and Chinese architecture in the city centre, combined with German demographic roots and a large Korean expatriate population, gives Qingdao a distinct atmosphere. A larger number of areas in former foreign styles are well preserved. Although the new city area is under large-scale reconstruction, the old city area (especially Taixi) still retains some traditional buildings."

Also I remember one of the asian girls I talk to telling me that in China(or South Korea? ) theres a place just like Venice.

here some pics of the brewery:
http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=tsingtao+brewery&m=text

There are many architects from Europe and America etc. who design and build houses and even complete cities there i guess that´s why there are similarities

For Apex/Danaher/Sata China, selling quantity over quality prevails. Perhaps it's more costly to them to produce quality over quantity. They can easily absorb the costs associated with warranty claims. Maybe ?

Yeah i think you´re right, their company is so big and they probably sell millions of these wrenches so a few returns don´t bother them.

Kabo....maybe you can source some from Pedros, Berner (some), or Ega Master.

i think i´ll stick with Gedore






Liquid tools:
"Caramba 70" multifunction spray (german version of "WD-40")
www.caramba.de

 

[AutomatiquE]

More Gedore Stuff.

Hmmm

I got myself a early birthday present...Some Gedore wrenches.

Nice brands mix How do you consider the half moon wrenche ? Is it very usefull ?

Some Knipex water pump pliers.
...A mini and a 250 Cobra slim head.

May i ask why you choose this mini knipex pliers over a mini Cobra ?

I stumbled across this thread while searching for more information on Matador tools...

Wow interresting set, Heyco, Matador... Actually, i've got some old Mercedes tools too, but chromed. I don't have any pics right now, i'll post some soon.

All very nice tools these are used every day

As i like to say : always a pleasure to see well used quality tools

JMP Plastic scraper

Cool tool Monte

Liquid tools:"Caramba 70" multifunction spray (german version of "WD-40")

Caramba ?!?! Never heard about this brand, thanks
btw, do you know the % of water/oil in this product ? I ask you this 'cause i find WD40 to be filled with too much water and not enough oil.

Some files. http://www.pferd.com/


No COO Probably made in their South African plant.

 

[Monte]

Cool tool Monte

Caramba ?!?! Never heard about this brand, thanks
btw, do you know the % of water/oil in this product ? I ask you this 'cause i find WD40 to be filled with too much water and not enough oil.

Can´t find the Caramba 70 on their HP it seems it´s discontinued/divided into 2 different products, a hobby version.....:
http://www.caramba.de/index.php?id=122&product=190

....which contains <2.5% additives, 50 - 90% benzine-hydrocarbon and <5% carbon dioxide

and a pro version:
http://www.caramba-profi.de/index.php?id=34&product=82

the pro version contains <2.5% additives, <2.5% of a salt, 50 - 90% kerosine, 10 - 20% Butan and 2,5 - 10 % Propane

http://www.caramba-profi.de/uploads...inal_Multifunktions-Spray_Aerosol__DE__01.pdf

Some files.

nice files ! i like the handles !

No COO Probably made in their South African plant.

india

iirc the handles are from germany, Hase use them too and also Stihl
http://hase-feilen.de/53_DEU_HTML.htm

 

[american lockpicker]

here some pics of the brewery:
http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=tsingtao+brewery&m=text

There are many architects from Europe and America etc. who design and build houses and even complete cities there i guess that´s why there are similarities

Interesting pics. I wonder do you know of pics of the factorys from Grolsch and Heineken? I only drink Dutch bier.

For anyone who is interested theres an awesome Heineken Export commerical at 0:52.

Also this reminds me I need a PB Swiss bottle opener.

 

[american lockpicker]

iirc the handles are from germany, Hase use them too and also Stihl
http://hase-feilen.de/53_DEU_HTML.htm

The Stihl file handles here are Swiss made.

 

[Monte]

Interesting pics. I wonder do you know of pics of the factorys from Grolsch and Heineken? I only drink Dutch bier.

old or new Grolsch factory ?

Heineken:
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=heineken+factory&f=hp

The Stihl file handles here are Swiss made.

even better





a Bosch video which you might like:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/QIyucjo1r7E" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

[Flash21]

a Bosch video which you might like:

Awesome, thanks for sharing.

What level do Americans get, equivalent to 'green' DIY tools?

Are the 'blue' Professional tools available in America?

 

[Mud]

Hi
Some of my hand tools used in the machine shop. Old Lux, Granit, Elliot Lucas pliers. Assorted Gedore, Knipex, Format, Zerem gear there also.

 

[AutomatiquE]

Can´t find the Caramba 70 on their HP it seems it´s discontinued/divided into 2 different products, a hobby version.....which contains <2.5% additives, 50 - 90% benzine-hydrocarbon and <5% carbon dioxide

Many thanks Monte

india

India, really ? I'm a little bit surprised because Pferd's website mention factories only in Germany, Spain, USA and South Africa. Did i miss something ?

iirc the handles are from germany, Hase use them too and also Stihl

Those Hase files look good, next time i'll buy one

a Bosch video which you might like:

Cool vid, thanks

Hi
Some of my hand tools used in the machine shop. Old Lux, Granit, Elliot Lucas pliers. Assorted Gedore, Knipex, Format, Zerem gear there also.

Welcome on board and nice tools you got there Is the big hammer made by Habero ? Please post some pics from time to time.

 

[Mud]

Cheers,
Hammer is from Format I think.

 

[AutomatiquE]

^^ah ok, thanks

 

[Mud]

A few more oldies and my new socket set. (My favourite tool is the orange one)

 

[american lockpicker]

old or new Grolsch factory ?

Both please.

Heineken:
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=heineken+factory&f=hp

Thanks will have a look at that tonight when I am enjoying a Heineken.

a Bosch video which you might like:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/QIyucjo1r7E" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

That was an awesome film. So many things I liked. I didn't know they had production in Solothurn(a long time ago one of my favourite guns the MP34 was made in Solothurn and its one of the few I can't legally own... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP34) Also I liked the watch making and production scenes(are there any more Bosch films like that?)

What level do Americans get, equivalent to 'green' DIY tools?

Are the 'blue' Professional tools available in America?

All the Bosch tools here are blue. One rule of thumb is to look for part of the tool to be silver coloured metal and on DIY grade it will be plastic and possibly black.

 

[american lockpicker]

Welcome to the forum Mud. I would love to see more detailed pics of the hand tools in that box.

 

[north]

These any good? Seem to be the only ones available here that aren't from China. Not looking forward to the $20US I'll have to pay for each one though! lol

I sure hope they are good. They cost a few bucks here too.

A bit of a non-answer this but I can't say I've noticed any lesser performance than other 'pro' brands I've used. But I've also used no-brand stuff that seemed ok. Occasional use though so no long term hard use comparison.

 

[lok]

only import....

Unfortunately.

ok send me a set of No. 7 wrenches and i´ll take my angle grinder + welder to work

No thanks.

 

[lok]

Welcome to the forum Mud. I would love to see more detailed pics of the hand tools in that box.

Yep.. Me too!

 

[Monte]

Awesome, thanks for sharing.

What level do Americans get, equivalent to 'green' DIY tools?

Are the 'blue' Professional tools available in America?

Bosch only sells the blue line in the USA. I think "Skil" is the american "Bosch green" equivalent

www.boschtools.com

http://www.skiltools.com/en/

Hi
Some of my hand tools used in the machine shop. Old Lux, Granit, Elliot Lucas pliers. Assorted Gedore, Knipex, Format, Zerem gear there also.

more detail pics please

India, really ? I'm a little bit surprised because Pferd's website mention factories only in Germany, Spain, USA and South Africa. Did i miss something ?

if you click here:
http://www.pferd.com/images/Prospekt_100_Jahre_PFERD_72dpi_de.pdf

and go to page 11 and look where the indian flag is. Since 1990 they produce there.

Those Hase files look good, next time i'll buy one

Probably made in the same country than the Pferd files

(My favourite tool is the orange one)

Divers helmet ?

Both please.

i´m too lazy to post individual links here´s a big one

http://www.google.de/search?q=grols...Tqn7CsGD-wbDt_w4&ved=0CDwQsAQ&biw=800&bih=448

Thanks will have a look at that tonight when I am enjoying a Heineken.

That was an awesome film. So many things I liked. I didn't know they had production in Solothurn(a long time ago one of my favourite guns the MP34 was made in Solothurn and its one of the few I can't legally own... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP34) Also I liked the watch making and production scenes(are there any more Bosch films like that?)

here is another one where you can see a bit of production but it´s a bit older
there are several videos of this series

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/vllRNjdWY7I" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


This Bosch video series is a bit older too but interesting. There are 6 videos of this series:

I also posted videos of Bosch rotary hammer and garden tool production in this thread a while ago....


here a Metabo image movie with a couple of scenes of production:

Fein image movie with a few seconds of production scenes

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/z_0JQGODQhg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

No thanks.

"****" file
www.****.de

 

[demographic]

Looking at the thread tags it looks like someone's got their knickers in a twist over European tools.
Poor child.

 

[zuspiel]

Haha... Never noticed that...

 

[Duarte]

"****" file? Ouch...

Didn't know they made those...

 

[AutomatiquE]

A few more oldies and my new socket set. (My favourite tool is the orange one)

if you click here...and go to page 11 and look where the indian flag is. Since 1990 they produce there.

Great, now i can tell everyone i even own Indian tools

Probably made in the same country than the Pferd files

"****" file

Nice file...is it made in India ?


Old Facom four way rim wrenche.

 

[american lockpicker]

Looking at the thread tags it looks like someone's got their knickers in a twist over European tools.
Poor child.

Seen that a few days ago...

 

[Mud]

A few more pics, if you want close ups let me know.

 

[Mud]

Check out the machine file handle. I am unsure of the maker does any one know?

 

[american lockpicker]

What are the brands and COOs?

 

[Mud]

Elliott Lucas Elect PW 106-8" Ultra Tensile needle nose pliers
Elliott Lucas Elect PW 77-4" Ultra Tensile side cutters
Elliott Lucas Elect PW 772-6" Ultra Tensile side cutters (red grip)
LUX drop forged sidecutters
Black Handled Engineers pliers Unknown Maker (Sheffield England) Tested to 5000Volts
Small Granit Electrical pliers and strippers
All Knipex circlip pliers
Knipex System Oetiker Crimpers/Nippers

 

[Monte]

Great, now i can tell everyone i even own Indian tools

yippihhh !!! welcome to the club !!

Nice file...is it made in India ?

probably
but only 5 bucks and it has 2 different cuts

and i already found a place for it next to the hammer and 2 (german made) Pferd files

Old Facom four way rim wrenche.

very nice lug nut wrench !!!

Check out the machine file handle. I am unsure of the maker does any one know?

very exotic ! Never seen something like this !!







SKG "Easy Force" screwdriver set
www.skg-tools.com

 

[Fedwrench]

That SKG screwdriver handle with the hex is a different idea. Does anyone know if the hex is part of the blade or just stuck in the handle? Still a novel concept.