Tools from the old world

[lok]

It´s a great oportunity to buy some

if your cantilever box should be too heavy one day or if it already is too heavy :

I have it in my mind. This one that you posted and the unior.

Or only the base.

god no !!!! Only the lower priced tools !!!!

ow.. ok. Thats nice! It's very easy for me to find bosch and metabo. My gedore dealer has them both.

...if it says "Germany"

That's what i thought.

For which tasks do you (or I ) need one ?

I take it before i buy my 3/8 set. The 1/2 was to bulky in some circumstances and i was needed more leverage for some allen bits in my motorcycle. Now that I have 3/8 socket's, 3/8 to 1/4 bit adapter and long allen keys i don't use it a lot. But I still use it some times with 10cm extension or bigger because i like his swivel head. I'm also very impressed with his durability. I loosen, up to 8mm allen bolt with it and some times 14mm screws and his head is still tight. Υou might find useful the 180 degree swivel head.

I use my 1/4 quite a lot in motorcycles.

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flea market finds for 1.- buck each:

ow what a price!

(Kit Kat 3 pieces for 1 buck though )

 

[TheDukeofDeere]

Monte, Lowe's here in the states has those rails on sale for $5.99 I believe. Just picked up two of them for 1/2" drive shallow impact sockets and one for 3/8" drive hex sockets.

They come in all drive sizes, both colors if you need to differentiate between metric and inch sizes.

Here is the metric 1/2"

http://www.lowes.com/pd_338548-2232...&Ntt=socket+rails&pl=1&currentURL=&facetInfo=

 

[lok]

scientific research of screwdriver handles and torque comparison:

http://books.google.de/books?id=3ey...=0CEMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=screwdrivers&f=false

(page 160)

Incredible research. Thanks Monte.

 

[decaf]

Got myself an almost new angle grinder today for 55 euro. very nice deal.
A new here in Sweden costs 150-180 Euro.
It´s a Hitachi G13SB3 1300W 125mm disc, COO Ireland.
Don´t know if this one have constant power, or what it is calling?
Like the feel of it anyway...

 

[ricleh]

i dunno, i think it´s part number JC26C.

and some wheels/bearings are pretty much f... up/gone, no lifetime warranty, no spare parts....

Spare parts are still available for the JC26C from Snapon. Not much, but you can get replacemant casters.

JC26C spare parts

 

[Phobo]

Must be at least 10 years ago when I was last time on a flea market. Here they are normally very very small and the bigger ones are over 50min away. Luckily I was near by this sunday so I took a peak and was very dissapointed: very bad prices 5bucks for a used gedore screwdriver when you get the whole 5 piece kit for around 20euros or so.

Picked up this grip plier. Its only the second that I ever bought and way better compared to the first chinese model that I also have.

Made in germany - Rennsteig 160 180 4

 

[Rusik]

ex-USSR. New. In the lubrication
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[Monte]

Or only the base.

or this:

ow.. ok. Thats nice! It's very easy for me to find bosch and metabo. My gedore dealer has them both.

Good news ! So we can see some new power tools from you soon ?
The Metabo + Bosch tools have the COO on the tools so you could check them out. Bosch tools aways say "Made in...." , Metabo sometimes only "Made by Metabo" or nothing, that are the imported ones

That's what i thought.

I take it before i buy my 3/8 set. The 1/2 was to bulky in some circumstances and i was needed more leverage for some allen bits in my motorcycle. Now that I have 3/8 socket's, 3/8 to 1/4 bit adapter and long allen keys i don't use it a lot. But I still use it some times with 10cm extension or bigger because i like his swivel head. I'm also very impressed with his durability. I loosen, up to 8mm allen bolt with it and some times 14mm screws and his head is still tight. Υou might find useful the 180 degree swivel head.

I use my 1/4 quite a lot in motorcycles.

oh that´s gonna be expensive, to buy the 1/4" breaker bar and a motorcycle so i can use the tool ...but maybe for a bicycle

Monte, Lowe's here in the states has those rails on sale for $5.99 I believe. Just picked up two of them for 1/2" drive shallow impact sockets and one for 3/8" drive hex sockets.

They come in all drive sizes, both colors if you need to differentiate between metric and inch sizes.

Here is the metric 1/2"

http://www.lowes.com/pd_338548-2232...&Ntt=socket+rails&pl=1&currentURL=&facetInfo=

That´s a good price ! but i´m looking for something with a magnet like this:

Incredible research. Thanks Monte.

Got myself an almost new angle grinder today for 55 euro. very nice deal.
A new here in Sweden costs 150-180 Euro.
It´s a Hitachi G13SB3 1300W 125mm disc, COO Ireland.
Don´t know if this one have constant power, or what it is calling?
Like the feel of it anyway...

nice deal indeed! I like the coo but not the design

Spare parts are still available for the JC26C from Snapon. Not much, but you can get replacemant casters.

thanks for the link !!!!

Picked up this grip plier. Its only the second that I ever bought and way better compared to the first chinese model that I also have.

what a surprise

ex-USSR. New. In the lubrication

which brand ?







"Prax" tool holder
www.prax-burbach.de

 

[Rusik]

which brand ?

In the USSR there was no such thing as a brand. The tool could be made without the stigma of the manufacturer.

 

[mrtools]

This morning's car-boot haul.

Nice old tools, it great for collector's
it easy to find old tools in your country?

This price was for me and of course i haven't that prices to everything. The best price that i had is about this one and this old gedore.

Wow!! nice adjustable wrench..it 4" or 6", price$$$?

He also have some old dowidat. Maybe i must ask for a price.

common buddy.. what are you waiting for.. just ask and negosss the prices you must have it

But i haven't a lot.

maybe not now but in the future?

And now monte will tell me that is great oportunity to buy some

He is the man who inspire GJ member or reader
to purchase a lot of tools
and the good is he know almost everything about tools and he also the best tools consultant for us..special thanks to Monte

My 1/4 breaker bar. Sorry for the bad white balance.

I like the mat black finish of swivel head..it looks very tough!!!
Thanks for the pics

flea market finds for 1.- buck each:

Sorry to ask what mean D.R.G.M? I know you already mention this but I'm not remember
I owned this Stanley England (red/grey handle) a few month ago..but someone here ask me to sell it..he really need the screwdriver for he's father collection and he gave me a set of Wiha torx driver as a gift. I'm glad to help collector to completed their sets

(Kit Kat 3 pieces for 1 buck though )

Yummy!!! can I have one

scientific research of screwdriver handles and torque comparison:

http://books.google.de/books?id=3ey...=0CEMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=screwdrivers&f=false

(page 160)

That a lot of information about screwdriver
thanks bro

I use my 1/4 quite a lot in motorcycles.

Thanks Lok!!
Great pics!!!

Picked up this grip plier. Its only the second that I ever bought and way better compared to the first chinese model that I also have.
Made in germany - Rennsteig 160 180 4

Cool!! do you or someone know the OEM, is it Knipex?

ex-USSR. New. In the lubrication

nice

"Prax" tool holder
www.prax-burbach.de

nice very practical tools holder

*please check your PM inbox

 

[mrtools]

"In action tools"

errr....over size drive

 

[littletoes]

MrTools---What do you use the pump for???

 

[Monte]

In the USSR there was no such thing as a brand. The tool could be made without the stigma of the manufacturer.

ah ok thanks ! i thought in the "diamond"/rhombus on the tool is a brand name

Sorry to ask what mean D.R.G.M? I know you already mention this but I'm not remember

"Deutsches Reich Gebrauchsmuster"
"Deutsches Reich" is how Germany was called from 1871 to 1945, and "Gebrauchsmuster" means something like: "utility patent" or "design patent".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsches_Reich
Saltus was founded in 1919 so the wrench is from between 1919-1945.

I owned this Stanley England (red/grey handle) a few month ago..but someone here ask me to sell it..he really need the screwdriver for he's father collection and he gave me a set of Wiha torx driver as a gift. I'm glad to help collector to completed their sets

Wiha for Stanley = good deal for you !
and we need pics of the fathers collection

Yummy!!! can I have one

ok i send you one

That a lot of information about screwdriver
thanks bro

did you read everything ??

Cool!! do you or someone know the OEM, is it Knipex?

i think both the Rennsteig and Knipex locking pliers are from Bollmann
http://www.bollmanngrip.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=1&Itemid=3

nice very practical tools holder

*please check your PM inbox

ok

"In action tools"

nice Tone + Wiha tool !







"Prebena" recoil air hose www.prebena.de



coupler by "Riegler" www.riegler.de



made in G...... oooooops off topic !!!



installed

 

[lok]

or this:

Loooool.. How i didn't think that!

or this:
Good news ! So we can see some new power tools from you soon ?
The Metabo + Bosch tools have the COO on the tools so you could check them out. Bosch tools aways say "Made in...." , Metabo sometimes only "Made by Metabo" or nothing, that are the imported ones

Thanks for the info Monte. Yes I'll buy some but not soon. I need a drill and maybe a small angle grinder. I'm not hurry so i can buy one good and not a cheap like my old one.

oh that´s gonna be expensive, to buy the 1/4" breaker bar and a motorcycle so i can use the tool ...but maybe for a bicycle

I thought that i had seen an old motorcycle in your garage.

Wow!! nice adjustable wrench..it 4" or 6", price$$$?

It is 4".
It's an old stock. It's very hard to find it. This one is from the time that the adjustable wrenches of Gedore manufactured in Germany. Now they are from africa or Austria. Africa i think.
Don't ask the price. I don't remember exactly but I take it almost for free. I'm sure that my dealer has more. At least few months before he had around 10 pieces. I can ask him if you want. I hope that i can take it in a good price.

common buddy.. what are you waiting for.. just ask and negosss the prices you must have it

I'll ask.

maybe not now but in the future?

I hope.

He is the man who inspire GJ member or reader
to purchase a lot of tools
and the good is he know almost everything about tools and he also the best tools consultant for us..special thanks to Monte

I agree about his knowledge in tools. I have read almost everything in this thread. As for the rest, I know that.. " it's all monte foult"

I like the mat black finish of swivel head..it looks very tough!!!
Thanks for the pics


Thanks Lok!!
Great pics!!!

You wellcome mrtools.

"In action tools"

wow!! Very nice photos and tools. You have post great "tools in action" pics. Congratulation my friend.

And thanks for your time to shoot when you are working.

In the USSR there was no such thing as a brand. The tool could be made without the stigma of the manufacturer.

Like this?

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Not mine of course!

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[Rusik]

ah ok thanks ! i thought in the "diamond"/rhombus on the tool is a brand name

You are right. This stigma of the plant. But people do not ever wonder who made ​​the instrument. Often the stigma of simply missing. In the USSR there was no competition. Therefore, the plants were still in his name.
It's hard to describe the whole situation. Interferes with my bad English.

 

[mrtools]

MrTools---What do you use the pump for???

Actually this pics from my work place..we use the gasoline/petrol pump to transfer water to the another tank when we have no electric supply

"Deutsches Reich Gebrauchsmuster"
"Deutsches Reich" is how Germany was called from 1871 to 1945, and "Gebrauchsmuster" means something like: "utility patent" or "design patent".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsches_Reich
Saltus was founded in 1919 so the wrench is from between 1919-1945.

Thanks..and now I understand

Wiha for Stanley = good deal for you !
and we need pics of the fathers collection

Ok! but I need to get permission from the owner first...

ok i send you one

did you read everything ??

not completed yet

i think both the Rennsteig and Knipex locking pliers are from Bollmann
http://www.bollmanngrip.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=1&Itemid=3

Ooo..I see Thanks for the information buddy

nice Tone + Wiha tool !

Thanks

"Prebena" recoil air hose www.prebena.de
made in G...... oooooops off topic !!!

You have a place for made in ...

It is 4".
It's an old stock. It's very hard to find it. This one is from the time that the adjustable wrenches of Gedore manufactured in Germany. Now they are from africa or Austria. Africa i think.
Don't ask the price. I don't remember exactly but I take it almost for free. I'm sure that my dealer has more. At least few months before he had around 10 pieces. I can ask him if you want. I hope that i can take it in a good price.

That good..but I think the shipping cost not allowed me to own this awesome tiny wrenches..
btw; thanks for your offer I'm really appreciate that!

I agree about his knowledge in tools. I have read almost everything in this thread. As for the rest, I know that.. " it's all monte foult"

110% agree with you

wow!! Very nice photos and tools. You have post great "tools in action" pics. Congratulation my friend.
And thanks for your time to shoot when you are working.

You are welcome!!

Not mine of course!

Nice pics

 

[Monte]

Thanks for the info Monte. Yes I'll buy some but not soon. I need a drill and maybe a small angle grinder. I'm not hurry so i can buy one good and not a cheap like my old one.

Thats a good plan. Let me know when the time has come

I thought that i had seen an old motorcycle in your garage.

yeah, but not mine unfortunately, from one of the garage members...

Like this?

original Gedore or fake ?

Not mine of course!

1"
What for ?

You are right. This stigma of the plant. But people do not ever wonder who made ​​the instrument. Often the stigma of simply missing. In the USSR there was no competition. Therefore, the plants were still in his name.
It's hard to describe the whole situation. Interferes with my bad English.

i think the same than in eastern germany where one or two factories made a specific product and the price was set by the government and only these products were available and nothing else hence no competition and no need for brand names. Ok you could choose between a Trabant or Wartburg

Ok! but I need to get permission from the owner first...

ok, that would be cool

not completed yet

You have a place for made in ...

"Parkside" (house brand of the "Lidl" food stores) angle grinder from a garage buddy

 

[PrecisionTools]

Haven't made a contribution for a while...

 

[CanUK]

Nice old tools, it great for collector's
it easy to find old tools in your country?

I'm not so much collecting (at least not in the collector/museum sense), just looking for tools that I can use that are reasonable quality and cheap. I used to have a small but fairly well equipped garage in Canada, but when I moved to the UK I had to sell it all and give away what wasn't sold. I'm now trying to build up my garage again, but on a budget so I have to shop hard for bargains

Wise or not, I tend to buy what I might need when it's cheap, rather than what I do need that might be expensive.

I don't find it very easy to find used tools here (apart from ebay/internet of course), but it may be that I just don't know where to look. Lately though at our small local car boot sale, there's been an old guy with a table and several boxes worth of tools. Most of it is not metric, and quite a lot would be more suitable to tool collectors than tool users, but he doesn't mind me digging through the boxes and seems to give me a pretty fair price.

 

[CanUK]

"Parkside" (house brand of the "Lidl" food stores) angle grinder from a garage buddy

I have a few Lidl and Aldi power tools that I'm really happy with. Probably not suitable for very heavy or professional use, but excellent quality for the money - certainly better than the cheap options from Screwfix in my experience.

 

[CanUK]

These arrived today (£33 + shipping):

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Half the set marked "Made in Germany", half just marked "Germany"
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And here's pics of the King **** stuff I bought a few weeks back. Maybe I'm being overly picky, but I'm not impressed with the quality of finish, although it may turn out they're sturdy.

The spanners (used -a large set but just one pictured as an example) particularly seem very over-built although also very heavy and crude.

The nut spinners are brand new and also don't show much care for quality of finish. They're not marked with a COO or material, so they may well be cheap imported **** with the King **** name staped (badly) on. The only thing that makes me think they might be English made is the consistently poor finish shared with the made-in-England KD spanners.

I wouldn't buy this brand again unless perhaps I had a chance to inspect the tool in person first. I'm not sure how this is one of the few English made brands to survive. Maybe nobody was interested in taking them over. It's certainly not immediately obvious how they've earned a reputation for quality tools.

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Forged and filed by hand?
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More craters than the moon
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Uneven stamping
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Sloppy welds
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Rust
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More rust - missing paint
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[CanUK]

Here's an example of what I mean when I say the King **** spanners are over-built. A comparison of a Gedore 24/30 and a KD 28/30:

The Gedore is almost obscured behind the KD

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30mm ends side-by-side:

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And if the images don't say it all, I dragged out the wife's digital kitchen scales (shhhhh!):

Gedore: 555g
KD: 1006g

So you could almost make two Gedore spanners from the metal in one KD!

These must be made for working on tanks, tractors, and lorries...

 

[elvisslipperman]

Modern king **** are rubbish , i bought some tin snips only to find they were rebadged junk . As for being made in England utter lies .

 

[Motor-Mechanic]

CanUK. Those Elora are real nice spanners, must have cost some. As for the King ****, yeah, not good anymore, very poor quality, been trying to complete a set i started buying as an apprentice but no joy locating the older pattern stuff, and i refuse to buy the newer stuff.

 

[CanUK]

CanUK. Those Elora are real nice spanners, must have cost some.

Just £33 + £5 shipping for the set actually. I did have to wait a week as they didn't have them in stock, but last I looked they were still advertising them at that price.

 

[Motor-Mechanic]

Just £33 + £5 shipping for the set actually. I did have to wait a week as they didn't have them in stock, but last I looked they were still advertising them at that price.

Sorry missed the price. That's a bargain! just been lookin' on evilbay and they're more than double that!

If you don't mind me askin' where from? PM if you prefer.

Cheers.

 

[CanUK]

Sorry missed the price. That's a bargain! just been lookin' on evilbay and they're more than double that!

If you don't mind me askin' where from? PM if you prefer.

Cheers.

PM sent.

Any pics of the older KD stuff for comparison?

 

[Motor-Mechanic]

Thankyou.

Don't currently have any pics, i'll take some tomorrow and post them up.

 

[shoturtle]

My 9pc set of torx driver for the house. I will keep the wiha I have for work. Thanks Ash for sending me a free set, which got me to build it out.

 

[littletoes]

CanUK---"Heavier" does not mean better, it usually means they are trying to make up for quality steel by using "More" metal...a lower grade, less temper holding, metal.

You figure it out with time....for me, it's like looking at adjustable wrenches.

The higher grade stuff will have thinner jaws, that open a bit more. It takes more strength to do both jobs-pulling on a larger nut, with less metal on the tool.

Does that make sense to you???

 

[CanUK]

Does that make sense to you???

It does, which is why I posted so many pics with comments voicing my disappointment with King **** quality

Maybe I wasn't as clear as I thought I was though?

 

[kidney]

I snapped a picture of my Dad's "red handled pliers". I'm not too sure how old they are and quite frankly he doesn't remember when he bought them. They've just always been there. They saw extensive use while I was moonlighting as a bicycle repairman in grade school some 20 years ago.

 

[Motor-Mechanic]

CanUK, pics as promised.

The top 2 spanners (12x13mm open end and ring) were purchased back in the late 80's, the bottom one (18x19mm open end) was purchased in the late nineties, as you can see they had already changed the pattern.


Notice the recessed panels on the earlier spanners.


And again


Whereas the nineties model is just engraved.


IIRC KD went bust at some point towards the end of the eighties, hence why i never completed the set, but were bought out by the management, unfortunately all my local stockists stopped stocking KD at that time.

 

[decaf]

I snapped a picture of my Dad's "red handled pliers". I'm not too sure how old they are and quite frankly he doesn't remember when he bought them. They've just always been there. They saw extensive use while I was moonlighting as a bicycle repairman in grade school some 20 years ago.

Knipex is forever

 

[CanUK]

CanUK, pics as promised.

Great pics. They are definitely far, far nicer than anything KD that I have, and the reputation is more credible having seen those.

 

[Monte]

I have a few Lidl and Aldi power tools that I'm really happy with. Probably not suitable for very heavy or professional use, but excellent quality for the money - certainly better than the cheap options from Screwfix in my experience.

they only sell Screwfix hand tools etc. over here, so i have no experience with that brand, but many people seem to be happy with their Parkside or "Duro" (Aldi) tools , sometimes it seems to be a hit or miss though like the Parkside electric stapler which is not powerful enough (my father owns one)

These arrived today (£33 + shipping):

very nice !

And here's pics of the King **** stuff I bought a few weeks back.

Damn.
hope you didn´t pay much...

CanUK, pics as promised.

now these KD tols look much better !




some tools in action pics:

welding



grinding


drilling

 

[Rusik]

bought today. Tweezers. Made in Pakistan

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[Rusik]

Made a gift.
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[Rusik]

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[littletoes]

Monte-that arbor on the hole-saw looks to have had the collar slip back...hate it when that happens, the two pins slip back and the arbor gets stuck. A ****** to take apart after that.