Tools from the old world

[Monte]

Would the Gedore XL's be overkill as a standard go to set? lol.

i think they´re too long as a standard set....
i also would recommend Hazet 600N, Stahlwille open box 14 or Gedore 1B as a standard set. And then you can add necessary sizes (13, 15,17,19mm....) in "XL" and/or shorter (Hazet 603, Stahlwille open box 13, Gedore 7)

 

[Nocturnal-G]

i think they´re too long as a standard set....
i also would recommend Hazet 600N, Stahlwille open box 14 or Gedore 1B as a standard set. And then you can add necessary sizes (13, 15,17,19mm....) in "XL" and/or shorter (Hazet 603, Stahlwille open box 13, Gedore 7)

Thanks Monte! Yeah those sizes pretty much sum up every bolt on Mercedes.

If you had to rate all the standard wrenches, which would be your favorites?

 

[nanofrog]

Had that problem with all Walter Schröder screwdrivers...but never with Felo.
What I noticed, there seem to be 2 different Phillips screws out there I don't mean PZ.

Show us the screw heas please.

Take a look at this, and it's not all inclusive of anything that resembles a Phillips (missing JIS for example).

The pic of the screw is blurry, but if that spot ~ 2 o'clock on the flat surface is a round indent, it's a JIS screw (Japanese Industrial Standard). Without the indent, you'd never know which it is, as it's that similar in appearance to a Phillips (angles & depth are different though, and transfer more torque to the screw before camming out from what I understand).

 

[AficanToolman]

Oh, no, I put a question mark because I don't know the answer. I know it's a German company, but everything I've bought from them was made in the Czech Republic.

Some of the top line ones were made in Germany many years ago, but I have not seen new ones for years other than Czech of those lines.

Their lower lines are made in many areas, including South Africa
http://www.wera.co.za/contentpage.aspx?pageid=5163

 

[Geurt]

Had to change a front wheel bearing on my Mk1 Passat. My cheap snap ring plier was not up to the task so I bought an very nice new one from Knipex. Made the job a lot easier!

 

[Monte]

Thanks Monte! Yeah those sizes pretty much sum up every bolt on Mercedes.

If you had to rate all the standard wrenches, which would be your favorites?

i personally have a set of the 600N. However everybody has his/her own preferences and there are several differences... while the open end is similar, the Hazet box end is angled, the Stahlwille box end has an offset and the Gedore wrench has a even deeper offset. So you might have different preferences than I .... so i would recommend to get one wrench set each

 

[AficanToolman]

i think "Wezag" made them (coo: Germany), but i don´t know if they still make locking pliers since they´re gone from their HP: www.wezag.de

the older Wezag sites from 2012 and 2011 etc. still show at least one pair of locking pliers on their page: http://web.archive.org/web/20111007080556/http://www.wezag.de/content/view/44/49/lang,de_DE/

Thanks

I need some locking C clamps and dont feel like getting the cheap Asian ones places here have.

Found one old old stock USA made Irwine 11R and can get Grip-on from Amazon and the Wiha from another source.

I like German made for most things so looking at getting the Whia to test, but will also try out the Grip-on from Spain.

 

[Monte]

Thanks

I need some locking C clamps and dont feel like getting the cheap Asian ones places here have.

Found one old old stock USA made Irwine 11R and can get Grip-on from Amazon and the Wiha from another source.

I like German made for most things so looking at getting the Whia to test, but will also try out the Grip-on from Spain.

you can also look for Gedore...
www.gedore.co.za
...they also make locking pliers (made in Austria)
there is another german manufacturer www.bollmanngrip.de but i don´t know if they´re available in South Africa...

 

[Hafen_Kafer]

I'm new to the forums. I don't remember how I got here. I love this thread and all the tools in them. And I don't say the, "L" word unless I mean it.

 

[lok]

If you had to rate all the standard wrenches, which would be your favorites?

I have the Gedore no7 for a year now. They are very nice wrenches but I believe that for a professional mechanic, the 1b is a better choice for starting set. The No7 can follow to fill the gap of a second set.

For an occasional user or for someone who wants to carry his tools in a cantilever toolbox, the no 7 can stand as his only choice, but for a pro or hard use the 1b is preferable.

Now, in the place of 1b and no7 you can put the 600Ν and 603, open box 13 and open box 14 or combination of these depending on your needs and personal preferences.

The differences between them can cover all your needs. For eg the 600N has a very slim ring, the stahls has a narrow open box, the 1b, especially in bigger sizes, can cover the absence of deep offset wrenches when the no7 has a very thin open end.

I'm new to the forums. I don't remember how I got here. I love this thread and all the tools in them. And I don't say the, "L" word unless I mean it.

@Hafen welcome to the forum.

 

[AficanToolman]

you can also look for Gedore...
www.gedore.co.za
...they also make locking pliers (made in Austria)
there is another german manufacturer www.bollmanngrip.de but i don´t know if they´re available in South Africa...

Thanks.
The local Gedore are crazy with their prices, I can import from Amazon.com 2 Grip-on locking clamps for the price of 1 Gedore here.

 

[Blöckw@rt]

 

[Lasu]

The LUX branded pliers any cheaper than the NWS ?

 

[Blöckw@rt]

These pliers costs roughly the same, while others are a bit more expensive than that of NWS.

 

[Alfajuj]

i personally have a set of the 600N. However everybody has his/her own preferences and there are several differences... while the open end is similar, the Hazet box end is angled, the Stahlwille box end has an offset and the Gedore wrench has a even deeper offset. So you might have different preferences than I .... so i would recommend to get one wrench set each

That is exactly what I did!
I've got the Hazet 600N, Stahlwille 14, Gedore 1B (not a full set) and Hazet 603. I also have some old Hazet 600's.
I must say, The wrench I always reach for first seems to be the 600N.
The Stahlwille 14 comes in a close second.

 

[Hawk321]

Take a look at this, and it's not all inclusive of anything that resembles a Phillips (missing JIS for example).

The pic of the screw is blurry, but if that spot ~ 2 o'clock on the flat surface is a round indent, it's a JIS screw (Japanese Industrial Standard). Without the indent, you'd never know which it is, as it's that similar in appearance to a Phillips (angles & depth are different though, and transfer more torque to the screw before camming out from what I understand).

From which brand do I get those JIS bits/screwdrivers??? Checked WIHA, WERA, ATHLET and FELO...no one has them...

Jep...JIS, that is what I meant...those Japanese srcews. The above used screw looks also like a worn out PZ.

 

[Blöckw@rt]

The Lux branded E-Smart screwdrivers are definitely cheaper than the "originals" by Felo.

 

[decaf]

From which brand do I get those JIS bits/screwdrivers??? Checked WIHA, WERA, ATHLET and FELO...no one has them...

Jep...JIS, that is what I meant...those Japanese srcews. The above used screw looks also like a worn out PZ.

http://www.vesseltools.com/

 

[nanofrog]

From which brand do I get those JIS bits/screwdrivers??? Checked WIHA, WERA, ATHLET and FELO...no one has them...

Jep...JIS, that is what I meant...those Japanese srcews. The above used screw looks also like a worn out PZ.

Hozan is another brand you might want to look into.

Moody also makes them, but they're electronics oriented, so the handles wouldn't be the best way to go IMHO for general purpose use (COO = USA if you're interested).

 

[Monte]

Thanks.
The local Gedore are crazy with their prices, I can import from Amazon.com 2 Grip-on locking clamps for the price of 1 Gedore here.

oooops didn´t know that they are soo expensive..... then i would buy the Grip-on

That is exactly what I did!
I've got the Hazet 600N, Stahlwille 14, Gedore 1B (not a full set) and Hazet 603. I also have some old Hazet 600's.
I must say, The wrench I always reach for first seems to be the 600N.
The Stahlwille 14 comes in a close second.

then you should to add some Heyco and Elora wrenches too








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[egfdevos]

If you had to rate all the standard wrenches, which would be your favorites?

Hazet 600N

 

[Lasu]

The Lux branded E-Smart screwdrivers are definitely cheaper than the "originals" by Felo.

Yes,here also the lux vde screwdriver set cost less vs felo.

Witte Ratchdrive

That's handy!

 

[Alx]

Some pictures of Hazet 856-1 socket set:

 

[bart1]

So you're a dealer now? Cool! Great pics of the SmartCase!!

 

[Alx]

So you're a dealer now? Cool! Great pics of the SmartCase!!

Hey Bart!

Yeah, decided to take the plunge. At the very minimum will be posting some pics of Hazet stuff every now and again so watch this space!

 

[superautobacs]

WOW, great promotional pictures, and best of luck in your new business venture, Alx!

For international customers looking to purchase Hazet tools, where do you fit into the picture? For a North American customer, how different is it to purchase from you versus others? Maybe this isn't an easy question to answer....

 

[mattyrattypoo]

I want one of those Smart Cases!!

 

[Roverbo]

I dont know. Maybe they have good automatisation at their factory
What is situation in Dennmark, do you have hand tool brands for pliers or wrenches? Thanks

Hi Zaboravi,
no, none that I know of anyway...
The only tools made here are masons tools (brick-laying tools) at the Eskimo brand http://www.eskimo.dk/?lang=en and the Sprehn brand http://www.sprehn.as/ (sorry, this site is in danish only).
There is also the Joran drill factory, now a part of Irwin Tools.
I dont know how much they produce here, because the website is closed, and the products can now be found on the "global" Irwinsite, where COO is not mentioned.
We used to have several tool factories, like the Zinck brand, Dansk Staal Industri (DSI) among others, but they closed in the 80´s.

 

[CanUK]

My Hazet magnetic bowl (thanks Alx!). Hopefully the first of many Hazet purchases.

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[Monte]

Some pictures of Hazet 856-1 socket set:

beautiful pictures ! Makes me want to buy one

Hi Zaboravi,
no, none that I know of anyway...
The only tools made here are masons tools (brick-laying tools) at the Eskimo brand http://www.eskimo.dk/?lang=en and the Sprehn brand

Some Irwin hand saws are made in....

 

[zaboravi]

Hi Zaboravi,
no, none that I know of anyway...
The only tools made here are masons tools (brick-laying tools) at the Eskimo brand http://www.eskimo.dk/?lang=en and the Sprehn brand http://www.sprehn.as/ (sorry, this site is in danish only).
There is also the Joran drill factory, now a part of Irwin Tools.
I dont know how much they produce here, because the website is closed, and the products can now be found on the "global" Irwinsite, where COO is not mentioned.
We used to have several tool factories, like the Zinck brand, Dansk Staal Industri (DSI) among others, but they closed in the 80´s.

Thank you for information That is globalisation, I guess

 

[superautobacs]

Some Irwin hand saws are made in....

Available at Lee Valley, for any Canadians interested:

Irwin® Xpert Saw

 

[Roverbo]

Some Irwin hand saws are made in....

Yeah, i did forget The Jack Saw company, now a part of Irwin.
I can see that they are sold at a bargain price at Lee Valley, it´s the same here in Denmark, they are really cheap compared to Bahco Prof Cut (half or third the price!), but the cutting quality is nearly the same. I like the handles of the Bahcos better though, because the handles are screwed together, feels more sturdy.
Now talking ´bout saws, there´s one more danish company: Viking saw blades http://www.vikingsaw.dk/1.
Very good quality. I have a few of their hacksaws and junior saws.

 

[Miskin]

At last my new 3/8 socket set arrived
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Another tool not as i expected...
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View media item 28925I thought it was a usual size 1/4 ratchet, i didn't check the Hoffmann catalog
http://www.hoffmann-tools.com/Handwerkzeuge/63-Steckschluessel-bis-1-2-Zoll/Knarre-umschaltbar-1-4-GARANT.html#.USuhROsnuwF.

 

[zaboravi]

Monte and other, I need help Is this AEG hammer made in Germany? What do you think about it, for DIY use only? Thanks

http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00238TXAK/

 

[Monte]

Yeah, i did forget The Jack Saw company, now a part of Irwin.
I can see that they are sold at a bargain price at Lee Valley, it´s the same here in Denmark, they are really cheap compared to Bahco Prof Cut (half or third the price!), but the cutting quality is nearly the same. I like the handles of the Bahcos better though, because the handles are screwed together, feels more sturdy.
Now talking ´bout saws, there´s one more danish company: Viking saw blades http://www.vikingsaw.dk/1.
Very good quality. I have a few of their hacksaws and junior saws.

thats a very good price indeed....hmm in germany the saw cost 50% more... strange...last time i checked the globe Germany was right next to Denmark....

At last my new 3/8 socket set arrived

nice set

I thought it was a usual size 1/4 ratchet, i didn't check the Hoffmann catalog

looks like a normal ratchet to me ? almost like this

Monte and other, I need help Is this AEG hammer made in Germany? What do you think about it, for DIY use only? Thanks

http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00238TXAK/

AEG doesn´t produce in Germany anymore.... If you want a german made one then you would have to look for the blue colored tools

However for DIY work that tool just should work fine !

btw. this one could be from Germany e.g. http://www.ebay.de/itm/AEG-PN-3000-...maschinen_Schraubendreher&hash=item20cf7e9e69

there are other blue ones on ebay but i think they´re imported too....

 

[zaboravi]

thats a very good price indeed....hmm in germany the saw cost 50% more... strange...last time i checked the globe Germany was right next to Denmark....


nice set

looks like a normal ratchet to me ? almost like this

AEG doesn´t produce in Germany anymore.... If you want a german made one then you would have to look for the blue colored tools

However for DIY work that tool just should work fine !

btw. this one could be from Germany e.g. http://www.ebay.de/itm/AEG-PN-3000-...maschinen_Schraubendreher&hash=item20cf7e9e69

there are other blue ones on ebay but i think they´re imported too....

Thanks, Monte

 

[CanUK]

Fellas,

I'm considering buying the Metabo Max12 10.8V combo kit:

- PowerMaxx maX 12 Li PRO Drill/Driver
- PowerImpact maX 12 Li Impact Driver
- PowerLED maX 12 Li Work Light
- Chuck
- Angle attachment
- LC 40 Charger
- Heavy Duty Tool case
- 2 x 1.5 Ah Li-ion maX 12 Batteries

All that for £150. Would be general household/home-garage use and the odd project (build a shed, a little decking etc). I've got several corded drills and a pillar drill so I don't think I need anything too serious or expensive, and compact is nice.

Anyone have experience with this kit? Any suggestions for something comparable for similar (or less) money?

 

[shoturtle]

For what you want to do with it, the metabo kit will fit your needs quite well. And the metabo 12v is well made. Worth the money.

 

[N.I.]

Fellas,

I'm considering buying the Metabo Max12 10.8V combo kit:

- PowerMaxx maX 12 Li PRO Drill/Driver
- PowerImpact maX 12 Li Impact Driver
- PowerLED maX 12 Li Work Light
- Chuck
- Angle attachment
- LC 40 Charger
- Heavy Duty Tool case
- 2 x 1.5 Ah Li-ion maX 12 Batteries

All that for £150. Would be general household/home-garage use and the odd project (build a shed, a little decking etc). I've got several corded drills and a pillar drill so I don't think I need anything too serious or expensive, and compact is nice.

Anyone have experience with this kit? Any suggestions for something comparable for similar (or less) money?

Although I haven't used it, the metabo drill driver looks a bit gimmicky to me.

Personally I would not use a drill/driver to drive screws in when I have an impact driver to hand. Also, once you get the feel for an impact driver you really don't need any torque control (anything expensive or brittle I would tend tend to finish off with a hand screwdriver anyway).

Would you really use the angle attachment feature or is it just a filler?

I noticed that a makita 10.8 volt set with a drill driver and impact driver can be had for under £150 with no silly extras. I haven't looked at specs or reviews, but if it was the better drill, it would be the one I would choose.


Or, for a tad more you could get http://www.toolstop.co.uk/makita-dk18027-18v-lxt-lithium-ion-6-piece-cordless-kit-3-x-3ah-batteries-p59601 ?

(but I may be slightly biased towards Makita)