Tools from the old world

[Monte]

German made paint brush..nice!
what are planning to paint, got a new restoration projects?

i painted 2 more jack stands in blue so they match my trolley jack

tried to add more European tools to for my new work place w/shop..

i see a quality air gun, english vice, tape measure and a (french ?) hammer !

My latest acquisitions, random assortment of Gedore screwdrivers, old stock from the uk Gedore dealer (via ebay)

The sleeves around the blades of the non-VDE drivers are just for protection and not electrical work. Black and yellow handles drivers came with yellow sleeve, blue handled drivers with red sleeve. The solid black handled "Black series" drivers (Dremo-Plus handle made from PPN) were the cheapest (Gedore-Vanadium blade "50 CrV 4"), followed by the yellow see through handled "Yellow series" drivers (Gedore-Vanadium blade 50 CrV 4 with "Gedolat" (Acetate ?) DremoPlus handle), the top of the line screwdrivers were the blue "Super-Series" see through "Gedolat" DremoPlus handled drivers either made with "Vanadium Molybdän" steel ("45 SiCrV 6" or "WX 69" steel) for the cross head drivers and Chrom-Silizium-Vanadium steel with different specifications (55 SiCrV 6 , 61 CrSiV 5 or 45 SiCrV 6) for the slotted drivers.

Monte, What do you think about the wrenches Matador sold in Bauhaus. they are a good quality?

If they say "Germany" on them they are recommended, unfortunately they source the wrenches from different OEM´s nowadays as it seems so the question is which quality do you receive ....??? Are they all the same or wrench "A" is stronger than "B" or ....not ....yes..... ??? Who knows.....

Oh man, I gotta get some of the blue ones, that handle and finish are awesome! Are they current production? Can any of our European pushers.... err, distributors, get a hold of them?

in the 2003 catalog they already list the plastic/rubber handled drivers...... So the translucent blue drivers are 10 years or even older......good luck

Anybody have any experience with the Stahlwille and/or Hazet padded jaw pliers (like http://www.stahlwille-online.de/ind...hid=&scmd=pdetail&pcid=5944&cid=6152&pid=6155) ? They both describe them as being for Canon Connectors. I have no idea what those are, but what I'm looking for is something for turning aluminum tie rods without damaging them. I used to know a mechanic who had a pair of padded locking pliers for that purpose, but I can't seem to find any such thing.

http://www.crawfordtool.com/knipex_8113230.html

The 1st tool is 100% Made In Germany

i have 2 of them

The HAZET 60's catalogs (61, 62, 65, 67, 69) are online and free to download:

Here http://www.facebook.com/hazetwerk to find in the timeline...

...and also here http://www.hazet.de/unternehmen/historische-dokumente/ .

very nice !!! Thanks !!!!!

 

[Rusik]

RUSSIA. metal case
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[Alfajuj]

The HAZET 60's catalogs (61, 62, 65, 67, 69) are online and free to download:

Here http://www.facebook.com/hazetwerk to find in the timeline...

...and also here http://www.hazet.de/unternehmen/historische-dokumente/ .

Thanks again Mac-Intosh!!!


By the way, here's some old school Facom wrenches I just got.
Made in France.
They are their long series wrenches, which start from 19mm and go up from there. These two were the only ones my Facom dealer had.

They actually remind me of old Plomb wrenches. The ones that were the very first combination wrenches in the world back in the 1930's. Especially the shank shape and the box end. Kind of squarish and rough, but appealing all the same. A strong, heavy primordial wrench!

 

[Alfajuj]

Here's some miniature Facom DOE wrenches in a set.

this set is called 22JE9 and the box has spaces for 9 wrenches,

But the present catalog only has the set 22JE6 in a pouch.

The sizes I have are:
3.2 x 5
4 x 5.5
6 x 7
8 x 9
10 x 11
(I'm missing the 12 x 13)

Does anyone have an old Facom catalog that tells the original contents of this 22.JE9 set?

 

[Miskin]

The sleeves around the blades of the non-VDE drivers are just for protection and not electrical work. Black and yellow handles drivers came with yellow sleeve, blue handled drivers with red sleeve. The solid black handled "Black series" drivers (Dremo-Plus handle made from PPN) were the cheapest (Gedore-Vanadium blade "50 CrV 4"), followed by the yellow see through handled "Yellow series" drivers (Gedore-Vanadium blade 50 CrV 4 with "Gedolat" (Acetate ?) DremoPlus handle), the top of the line screwdrivers were the blue "Super-Series" see through "Gedolat" DremoPlus handled drivers either made with "Vanadium Molybdän" steel ("45 SiCrV 6" or "WX 69" steel) for the cross head drivers and Chrom-Silizium-Vanadium steel with different specifications (55 SiCrV 6 , 61 CrSiV 5 or 45 SiCrV 6) for the slotted drivers.

in the 2003 catalog they already list the plastic/rubber handled drivers...... So the translucent blue drivers are 10 years or even older......good luck

Monte my Gedore dealer has a full line of the translucent blue drivers. Do you recommend them over the new ones?

 

[ranw]

It would seem the translucent blue ones have breakable plastic handles, unlike the new 21xx series that are more likely to chip

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[drakfire]

i just bought this bosch set ( made by wera ? )

 

[north]

With regards to my inquiry about this Elora ratchet I got an email today from Bettina at Elora. Impressive one day response.

Dear Mr. --------,

thank you for your kind e-mail and congratulations for purchasing an almost

indestructable genuine ELORA-tool, made in Germany!

It is really kind of an “oldtimer”, produced around the early 60ties J.

With best regards
_________

ELORA - WERKZEUGFABRIK GMBH

Bettina Rauch-Lach
Export Sales Department

So no defined time frame of production given but I'll settle for early 60's for now.

 

[Monte]

Monte my Gedore dealer has a full line of the translucent blue drivers. Do you recommend them over the new ones?

i don´t know if there is a big difference.... handle shape is about the same.....steel might be different.... in the 2011 Catalog they write that the steel is a "Chrom Vanadium Plus" steel in the older 2003 catalog they specifiy it more precise and write that the slotted drivers with blade diameter 2 to 6.5 mm are made of 73MoV52 steel and the sized 7 to 10mm use 61CrSiV5 but no specs for cross head drivers... but which is better and why ..... ??? Only Gedore knows that or their screwdriver supplier since the new style is not made in Germany...

With regards to my inquiry about this Elora ratchet I got an email today from Bettina at Elora. Impressive one day response.


So no defined time frame of production given but I'll settle for early 60's for now.

nice !! 50 years anniversary !

 

[ultgar]

Here's some miniature Facom DOE wrenches in a set.

this set is called 22JE9 and the box has spaces for 9 wrenches,

But the present catalog only has the set 22JE6 in a pouch.

The sizes I have are:
3.2 x 5
4 x 5.5
6 x 7
8 x 9
10 x 11
(I'm missing the 12 x 13)

Does anyone have an old Facom catalog that tells the original contents of this 22.JE9 set?

I have catalogs going back to 1992 and the most I see is 6 wrenches in metric sizes (there were also 5 fractional sizes). SD

 

[Miskin]

i don´t know if there is a big difference.... handle shape is about the same.....steel might be different.... in the 2011 Catalog they write that the steel is a "Chrom Vanadium Plus" steel in the older 2003 catalog they specifiy it more precise and write that the slotted drivers with blade diameter 2 to 6.5 mm are made of 73MoV52 steel and the sized 7 to 10mm use 61CrSiV5 but no specs for cross head drivers... but which is better and why ..... ??? Only Gedore knows that or their screwdriver supplier since the new style is not made in Germany...

Thanks for your answer.
I 'll give the old ones a shot...

 

[Ratchet.]

Found this in a box of assorted tools when I was sorting out stuff in my garage today, not sure when/where i got it (probably my dad or more likely grandad gave it to me at some point)

Nice old British made Swinborne 1/2" drive 5/8ths socket


Sadly I can't find much information on Swinborne Tools, as the only related links I've found online lead back to this thread or other threads on garage journal guess they became defunct years ago

Not sure what the CPT Co stands for, maybe the company that owned the name? interesting also that its marked as 'British made' rather than made in England too, makes me wonder where their factory was, although it was most likely in England.

Would be nice to find out more about the maker as its a very nicely made and finished socket, on the lookout for more of them now


Have recently gotten more interested in old UK made tools, Britool, King **** (snigger snigger) amongst others, shame most of the more obscure ones mainly made Imperial and Whitworth sizes as they're not so much use to me shame virtually none are still making tools in the uk, and the names that are left are used to sell mainly Taiwanese imports

 

[Monte]

Thanks for your answer.
I 'll give the old ones a shot...

good choice

 

[Monte]

Sadly I can't find much information on Swinborne Tools, as the only related links I've found online lead back to this thread or other threads on garage journal guess they became defunct years ago

the trade mark office don´t know "Swinborne" it seems......
but they made nice looking ratchets....:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Swinborne...t-Set-Made-England-/150899197803#ht_253wt_721

 

[Ratchet.]

the trade mark office don´t know "Swinborne" it seems......
but they made nice looking ratchets....:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Swinborne...t-Set-Made-England-/150899197803#ht_253wt_721

yeah guess the never trademarked the name, doesn't help trying to research it though and sadly alloy artifacts haven't got much on non US tools

I spotted that set too really nice looking set, trying hard to resist it (i am bidding on a set of odd sockets though, which has a couple of Swinborne ones in it

 

[Bhae]

 

[north]

Nice Koken set. How much does a set like that cost?

 

[marlinspike]

Can someone with a Gedore 1335L measure how long the middle section of the top trays is for me?

 

[mercucho]

Very nice! One of my favorite brands.

 

[Krokodil]

Some of the stuff I picked up over the past few weeks.

KTC stud extractor from pawn shop:

Toptul 3/4" to 1/2" adapter new from local distributor:

Stahlwille chisel from pawn shop:

Facom 1/4" driver new:

Stahlwille Manoskop insert:

 

[lok]

If I have not yet managed to break it.

Well, honestly, I have not broken any ratchet, but my feeling is that it is the strongest of the ones I use.

Thanks.

The sleeves around the blades of the non-VDE drivers are just for protection and not electrical work. Black and yellow handles drivers came with yellow sleeve, blue handled drivers with red sleeve. The solid black handled "Black series" drivers (Dremo-Plus handle made from PPN) were the cheapest (Gedore-Vanadium blade "50 CrV 4"), followed by the yellow see through handled "Yellow series" drivers (Gedore-Vanadium blade 50 CrV 4 with "Gedolat" (Acetate ?) DremoPlus handle), the top of the line screwdrivers were the blue "Super-Series" see through "Gedolat" DremoPlus handled drivers either made with "Vanadium Molybdän" steel ("45 SiCrV 6" or "WX 69" steel) for the cross head drivers and Chrom-Silizium-Vanadium steel with different specifications (55 SiCrV 6 , 61 CrSiV 5 or 45 SiCrV 6) for the slotted drivers.

Nice info, thanks.

 

[submariner]

Any opinions on a nice european claw hammer, preferable under 16oz?

And if there's a seller that ships overseas? I already checked Amazon.de

 

[TjoFrasse]

So, the temporary Bahco outlet shop decided to have open this year also. And, I was there the first day hoping for some nice stuff that had been collected during the winter...

It was not as good as previous years, but I still bought a lot. Now that I have a house there is so much more room to store tools

Bahco Laplander folding saw. Made i Sweden

Bahco 200mm Ergo angled head cutting plier. Made in Sweden
This is a US-market packaging, with the "Snap-on" logo and it says "Snap On North America" on the back instead of "SNA Europe".

Bahco 225mm combination plier. Made in France
Also US-market packaging.

Sandvik Belzer 1/4" round head ratchet.

Belzer PH0 and unknow type screwdriver with translucent handles. Made in Germany

Bahco 200mm adjustable wrench. Made in Sweden

Bahco deburring tools. Made in Taiwan

Bahco soft grip 170mm extra wide adjustable wrench. Made in Spain

Bahco stubby PH2, Lindstrom precision PH1, Sandvik square 3.

Belzer 1/2" 27mm 12 point an 3/8" deep 20mm 6 point.

Acesa 475g French pattern hammer.

Bahco 30m tape measure.

Bahco kit with bit set, measuring tape and hand saw. Bought for a gift.

Tomorrow I will try to post some of the homeowner tools I have bought during the last month.

 

[2oolhound]

Some of the stuff I picked up over the past few weeks.


Stahlwille chisel from pawn shop:

Krokodil, I like that Stahlwille chisel, it's unusual to have their raised edges like that on a chisel.

So, the temporary Bahco outlet shop decided to have open this year also. And, I was there the first day hoping for some nice stuff that had been collected during the winter...

It was not as good as previous years, but I still bought a lot. Now that I have a house there is so much more room to store tools

Bahco deburring tools. Made in Taiwan

Acesa 475g French pattern hammer.

TjoFrasse, 1st off where did you find the Acesa hammer? I understand Acesa quit making tools 3 or 4 years ago.

This is my set of Acesa whitworth wrenches, the last my dealer could get:

Also check out this Vargus deburring tool made in Israel, It has quick disconnect blades and quick disconnect action for the extension with storage in the handle. It's pretty slick.

 

[Tomassino]

Got a nice haul over the last few days:

Stanley Adjustable Square, with scribe that slots into the side. Made in England.

A pair of Gedore three sided scrapers

Habero Rotband 3/4lb Ball Peen Hammer

Gedore/Habero 1 1/2lb Ball Peen Hammer - Habero label was half peeling off, seemed to take off part of the Gedore logo and the lacquer with it :-(

A lovely pair if ever I've seen one.

Finally, a lovely shipment of Hazet tools from Alx.

The humble beginning of my 1/2 socket set, 916-1 Fine Tooth ratchet, 917-5 150mm extension, 900-[17,19,22,27,30] sockets.

615 14x17 Crescent Spanner, 8x10 and 11x13 Flare Nut Wrenches

I'm a happy man!

 

[Monte]

.

nice Koken + Felco !
Is there anything what speaks against the "Felco 2" shear ?

btw. Felco.....

Any opinions on a nice european claw hammer, preferable under 16oz?

And if there's a seller that ships overseas? I already checked Amazon.de

http://www.picard-hammer.de/en/hammers-from-a-z/hammers-from-a-z/bt/40/pg/143.html

So, the temporary Bahco outlet shop decided to have open this year also. And, I was there the first day hoping for some nice stuff that had been collected during the winter...

very nice !! What did you pay for everything ?

Got a nice haul over the last few days:

nice haul !!!

 

[Rockuf8]

Bahco stubby PH2, Lindstrom precision PH1, Sandvik square 3.

Great purchases, where did you get the Bahco stubby? Me want.

 

[Alfajuj]

I have catalogs going back to 1992 and the most I see is 6 wrenches in metric sizes (there were also 5 fractional sizes). SD

So I guess this JE22.9 nine piece set would include SAE sizes plus metric?

None of the catalogs mention this box set?

 

[ranw]

Can someone with a Gedore 1335L measure how long the middle section of the top trays is for me?

28.5 cm = 11.2"

 

[marlinspike]

Darn, I was hoping the middle part would be at least 305mm so a long 1/2" drive extension would fit. It's too bad, that's the nicest box but not as welll laid out as the Stahlwille

 

[TjoFrasse]

Got a nice haul over the last few days:

I'm a happy man!

You have all right to be also! That is some very nice stuff!

TjoFrasse, 1st off where did you find the Acesa hammer? I understand Acesa quit making tools 3 or 4 years ago.

This is my set of Acesa whitworth wrenches, the last my dealer could get:

Also check out this Vargus deburring tool made in Israel, It has quick disconnect blades and quick disconnect action for the extension with storage in the handle. It's pretty slick.

At the "Bahco Outlet", a store opened in one of SNA Europe's facilities in Sweden. They sell discontinued products and 2:nd class products from SNA Europe. I have previously bought other Acesa stuff there also, you can see them in this thread.

That deburrer sure looks nice. This one also has quick disconnect and storage in the handle, but that one looks more solid. Any known source is EU?

very nice !! What did you pay for everything ?

For what is shown in the pictures the total was 1330:- SEK with VAT. A bit more than I had planned to spend, but I'm happy with what I bought.

Great purchases, where did you get the Bahco stubby? Me want.

See my reply to 2oolhound regarding the store. This was the last Bahco branded one they had. They had more of the same type but in Acesa (red) branding if I remember correctly. http://www.acesa.com.es/ingles/catalogo/cap5.pdf

And, like I said yesterday, some new Swedish made homeowner tools (bought during the last month):

Gränsfors Bruks Small Forest Axe.

http://www.gransforsbruk.com/en/products/forest-axes/gransfors-small-forest-axe/

G-Man bow saw.

Husqvarna 445 chainsaw. Not pictured is of course full security gear!

Ochsenkopf felling wedge. Made in Germany.

Husqvarna chain file kit.

Trönninge-kärran wheelbarrow.

 

[Tomassino]

Gränsfors Bruks Small Forest Axe.

http://www.gransforsbruk.com/en/products/forest-axes/gransfors-small-forest-axe/

I like this! I have been considering an Ochsenkopf axe, but now I have to think hard!

 

[Roverbo]

This is my set of Acesa whitworth wrenches, the last my dealer could get:

Also check out this Vargus deburring tool made in Israel, It has quick disconnect blades and quick disconnect action for the extension with storage in the handle. It's pretty slick.

2oolhound, very nice Acesa wrenches...never heard of Acesa before...looks very slim.

Got a nice haul over the last few days:

Stanley Adjustable Square, with scribe that slots into the side. Made in England.

A pair of Gedore three sided scrapers

Habero Rotband 3/4lb Ball Peen Hammer ...

Gedore/Habero 1 1/2lb Ball Peen Hammer - Habero label was half peeling off, seemed to take off part of the Gedore logo and the lacquer with it :-(

A lovely pair if ever I've seen one.

(...) I'm a happy man!

Tomassino, nice hammers. And Stanley stuff made in England

You have all right to be also! That is some very nice stuff!

At the "Bahco Outlet", a store opened in one of SNA Europe's facilities in Sweden. They sell discontinued products and 2:nd class products from SNA Europe. I have previously bought other Acesa stuff there also, you can see them in this thread.
And, like I said yesterday, some new Swedish made homeowner tools (bought during the last month):

Gränsfors Bruks Small Forest Axe.
G-Man bow saw.
Husqvarna 445 chainsaw. Not pictured is of course full security gear!
Ochsenkopf felling wedge. Made in Germany.
Husqvarna chain file kit.
Trönninge-kärran wheelbarrow.

Tjofrasse, do you have an specific addres for that Bahco store? I go to to Sweden appr. once a month, so maybe this would be a nice target for a ride in the car...but it´s way up north, right?
I have nearly (435, smaller model) the same chainsaw as you - used it for 4 years now, and no problems at all...very good, swedish tool. I´m not a forester though, so it has just been "light duty work" in Husqvarna terms of speaking.

OK, more old tools - from our small, Swedish cottage:

Chesterman Tape measure, metric 20m in leather and brass...grandads..
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Ljungberg "Talmeter" measure tape - hard point ends ables you to use it a marker, and second scales for diameter measurements...very odd, but useful at times...
Edit: This tool is now marketed by Hultafors tools, Sweden.
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Chisels for woodwork, German "Kirsch", English "Noname, Sheffield" and orange "Woodpecker", made by Hackman, Finland. Quite used, but hardened to the handle (or at least up to where i´ve grinded them).
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Jigsaw (manual...) "Stiletto" - made in Sweden. Very old, but still I found new blades for it at the local countrytrader
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Danish school carpenters saw - unknown maker. The blade is tightened by twisting the rope.
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But the blade is Sandvik, Sweden...
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Back-up tools... i try not to do any vehicle work on holidays, but for emergency use ... Gedore ½" ratchet, mixed sockets (surplus from my garage) Matador, Facom, Hero etc.
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The Gedore ratchet is 3o years + ??? - but OK.
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Tools at work in Sweden... Job: Clean the mouse traps...
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K.J. Eriksson "Mora" knife carbon steel - mouse traps of unknown maker...mice of swedish origin
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Job done ... ready for a new harvest...
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[Roverbo]

I like this! I have been considering an Ochsenkopf axe, but now I have to think hard!

Hi Tomasino, Granfors makes great axes, but you might also consider S.A.Wetterlings, SAW axes: http://www.wetterlings.se/the/index.php
Or a handmade axe from Hults bruk: http://www.hultafors.com/products/about-our-products/axes-forged-with-tradition/

 

[2oolhound]

Thanks for the Acesa link TjoFrasse, if I didn't have too many already I'd look at getting an impact driver. I'm used to the ones that have either a 3/8 or 1/2 square drive with adapters to the screw driver bits. Looks like some of them don't have the square drive.

I like your ax ...and chain saw. I was a faller for many years and used Husqvarna because they were the 1st to bring out a rubber mounted engine, isolating the handles from vibrations. Great saws! Is that an 8" wedge? It looks like a good winter wedge.

Roverbo, yes the Acesa wrenches are fairly thin and nicely finished. The dealer has some other cheaper brands but I was happy to pay a little more for the nicer finish and quality.
You have some nice old relics and ones that are used which is always good to see.

If you have mouse traps in an area where you don't come around often you can make a self setting one with a board, a bucket and a few nails. Take a 2.5' or 3' board (ideally 2" wide 3/8" thick) and cut a 8" piece off it. Now lay the 2 pieces together as though you never cut it leaving only the saw kerf between the 2 pieces. Lay some 3/8" thick strips along the side of the 2 pieces and carefully tack a finishing nail into the 8" piece right at the centre so at the 4" mark. These finishing nails should go straight in, not on any angle because they will act like a hinge. Tack the other end of the 3/8" strips to the long piece of board in a few places. Now your board should have an 8" piece on the end that rotates on the end of the long piece. Lay the rotating piece on the edge of the bucket and put some peanut butter or bacon fat on one end. Place some old oil in the bucket. When the mouse walks up the board and steps on the 8" piece it is resting on the edge of the bucket but when he crosses the hinge point the 8" piece flips and the mouse goes for a swim. The 8" piece will return to it's resting position waiting for the next victim. You can glue a washer or some weight on the end of the 8" piece to prefect the balance.

 

[Roverbo]

....If you have mouse traps in an area where you don't come around often you can make a self setting one with a board, a bucket and a few nails.

Hi 2oolhound,
Thanks for your reply, but I don´t know if our mice are very clever, have fear of heights, or i´m just plain unlucky, because i´ve tried this type of trap - with no succes at all. First I made one myself, then i made one similar, but with a roller at the end (plastic bottle on a thin shaft). No mouse in the bucket. Then a friendly neighbor lent me a factory made type, moulded plastic, but like yours.
No mouse in the bucket! So the score so far: Flap-type: Null - spring-type: 10 mice.
Next autumn i will try to fill the gaps in the foundation before it gets cold.

 

[2oolhound]

It's the same rules with any other enterprise where you're trying to attract a client base, Location, Location, Location! Mice travel along the edges of walls and they like tunnels and tramways. Next is using the right bait. I know they really go for that commercial mice poison which uses mostly grains. Maybe mix it with peanut butter so it sticks. Wear a dust mask when handling that stuff though. The spring type are great because they are so small you can place them right in the hot spots. Happy hunting!

 

[CanUK]

Wolf grinder resto now complete. I started with this:

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And now have this:

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The switch and plate, one tool rest, and the mounts for the shields are not original, but finding parts for these is difficult at best (loads of 3ph 8" indiustrial units, but very few complete 6" single phase). The tooling has gone off to India though and I believe they're still made there, so if anybody is making the trip...

I would have liked to have spent a little more time on it and taken care of some of the smaller details, but it's a birthday gift for a family member and I'm already a week late. As it is, it was completely disassembled, cleaned, new Japanese sealed bearings, paint stripped, primed and repainted (Plastikote Metal Protekt).

I debated trying to restore the tag, but I think I would have made a mess of it, and I kind of like the patina, so it just got a bit of a clean.

Overall I'm pleased for a first effort. I sort of wish I could hang onto it, but I'm positive it's new owner will be very happy, so that's enough reward for me.

 

[north]

Well done CanUK.

While I would enjoy a leisurely hunt for original parts, because the hunt itself is enjoyable, it would bother me none to use that grinder as is. Bringing stuff back to service with what you have at your disposal has its very own enjoyment factor.

 

[CanUK]

Well done CanUK.

While I would enjoy a leisurely hunt for original parts, because the hunt itself is enjoyable, it would bother me none to use that grinder as is. Bringing stuff back to service with what you have at your disposal has its very own enjoyment factor.

Thanks! I'm of the same mind as well. It's not a museum piece, and will get put to work, so I'm sure it won't stay pretty for too long anyhow. As long as it works well, and for another 40 years or so...