Tools from the old world

[Hawk321]

Here I've a timing set for VAG Diesel engines from Sauer Tools

A wiha parade torx from t6 - t40 pozidrive 1-3 and some VDE insulated screwdriver.

Now 2 new air tools which I've won....I know...I ****

 

[texchappy]

Been reading the whole thread to learn a lot; now on page 283. It'll be a while before I catch up with y'all.

Geodore BSW wrench for working on my car got me looking here. Add that to my already existing Wiha screwdriver obsession and I think I might be in trouble!

Pictures to follow.

Already added some tools to my wish list - NWS pliers, Geodore ratcheting wrench, and maybe Hazet double box ends. Do the Hazet double box end coming in longer lengths?

 

[Hawk321]

Do the Hazet double box end coming in longer lengths?

Not that I know, standard box end wrench is similar in the total lenght than snapon's.

 

[texchappy]

Here's my Geodore BSW wrench along with two Koken BSW sockets.

 

[Monte]

Hi Monte, these are for sale in my local Aldi as well - are they worth the money? And what´s the difference between blue and orange?

the blue only has bent wires and the orange one straight wires. The bent ones are more aggressive, the straight ones leave a "softer" finish, for cleaning aluminium for example. They work well, slower than with a angle grinder though, but also cooler so the paint/underbody coating etc. don´t smear because the metal stays cool. There are also no wires flying around. There are dedicated tools available for this type of brush, from Pneutec, Rodcraft and Snap-On for example:

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the inventor of that tool system is www.monti.de it seems since all of these wire wheels are made in germany.

Monte, please let us know how well they last compared to a conventional wire brush. Also are they for drill only?

That can take a while
These ones are for drill only (max 4000 rpm) but there are dedicated tools available (see above)

The new gedore magic for 2013.

hmmmmm a Gedore tool box filled with the foam trays and tools *dream*

The question is what socket to get. Hexagon or double hexagon?

bi-hexagon is more versatile....

Monte, who produce hammers for Wurth? Are they good?

Thanks

At least some are made by Osca in Italy
www.Osca.it
Elora and other companies like "Garant", "Promat" and "Lux" buy there too...
I like my Osca hammers and i think they are good.... good ground edges and "faces" without any flaws, good price too...

http://eshop.wuerth.de/Handfaeustel...oup-Wuerth.cgid/14016012030400.cid/de/DE/EUR/

http://www.osca.it/showsubcat.asp?sub=0,50

Has anyone noticed the similarity between UNIOR and GEDORE special screwdriver? Anyone knows where are they produced?

the regular mechanics screwdrivers from Gedore are made in Slovenia.....maybe the electronic screwdrivers too

This is the second time i heard that the Gedore screwdrivers are not made in Germany.

see above

I found the answer! Handles are produced by OPLAST, (25 kilometers away from my home) and shanks by UNIOR maybe (30 kilometers away from my home).

They have more customers from Germany

 

[Vinko]

Been reading the whole thread to learn a lot; now on page 283. It'll be a while before I catch up with y'all.

I stopped reading somewhere way back and have some catching up do myself. Among the best threads on GJ!

I noticed some of the tags were pretty deragotory I guess haters gonna hate!

 

[JukeBox]

 

[Alfajuj]

I stopped reading somewhere way back and have some catching up do myself. Among the best threads on GJ!

I noticed some of the tags were pretty deragotory I guess haters gonna hate!

Yeah, Monte, please, any way we can get those tags removed? I'm getting sooooo sick of looking at them.

Europe is for gays??? Eurotrash??? WTF

I truly believe that this thread should be all about how we are spending the extra money we have available because we are confident that our childrean are going to earn a full scholarship for their university education

 

[zaboravi]

@Monte, I bought yesterday a brand new Wurth Handfaustel 2000 g at flea market for just 5 Euro
It is like this: http://eshop.wuerth.de/Handfaeustel...oup-Wuerth.cgid/14016012030400.cid/de/DE/EUR/

It has this logo stamped http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSgf3yB7UPAPUGAmhozO0n9TX1NX7Axhkg2Iqt-QAbAXAzW5pm3Xw
so I think it is from Picard factory

 

[zaboravi]

the regular mechanics screwdrivers from Gedore are made in Slovenia.....maybe the electronic screwdrivers too


see above


They have more customers from Germany

New Unior screwdrivers are trash, so what is your opinion about Gedore or Hazet from Slovenia?

 

[stricker]

After watching this post for a while now without posting, I found some old Felo Screwdrivers, two of them with "Wechselklinge" while cleaning my garage
Btw, sorry for the crappy phone pictures ><

 

[TjoFrasse]

My whole "green" Bahco collection. Pair of pliers and few Belzer goodies too. Enjoy!

Nice stuff!

I like this! I have been considering an Ochsenkopf axe, but now I have to think hard!

I would say that Gränsfors Bruks is the nicest axes around. Of course it also depends on how you value the hand forged look. Ochsenkopf have a more modern look to them.

Tjofrasse, do you have an specific addres for that Bahco store? I go to to Sweden appr. once a month, so maybe this would be a nice target for a ride in the car...but it´s way up north, right?
I have nearly (435, smaller model) the same chainsaw as you - used it for 4 years now, and no problems at all...very good, swedish tool. I´m not a forester though, so it has just been "light duty work" in Husqvarna terms of speaking.

It's in Enköping (Linbanegatan 12), so coming from the south you're looking at about the same distance as to Stockholm. They're only open wednesdays (16-19) and saturdays (10-14) also.

I'm just a light duty user too. Getting firewood for the fireplace only. Chose a Husqvarna for the same reason as you, hoping to get long and problem free use of it.

Thanks for the Acesa link TjoFrasse, if I didn't have too many already I'd look at getting an impact driver. I'm used to the ones that have either a 3/8 or 1/2 square drive with adapters to the screw driver bits. Looks like some of them don't have the square drive.

I like your ax ...and chain saw. I was a faller for many years and used Husqvarna because they were the 1st to bring out a rubber mounted engine, isolating the handles from vibrations. Great saws! Is that an 8" wedge? It looks like a good winter wedge.

All the Acesa I have is from the outlet store, I haven't seen them anywhere else. Perhaps Bhae can give us more info about them (or another Spanish member).

Oh, so you were a pro? Yes, it seems that Husqvarna has a good reputation even outside of Sweden. It's a 8" wedge, I was surprised that they had Ochsenkopf wedges at a Husqvarna dealership. It felt better than Husqvarnas smooth wedges though.

GB are great axes, I bought one for my Dad a few years ago. More recently, I bought a SAW for myself. Both are fantastic tools, with the GB a little finer finished, I believe.

SAW does have a more attractive CEO, though

Wetterlings are a bit easier to find, since they're sold at a large DIY store chain (Jula). Gränsfors Bruks are better finished though as you say, and have nicer sheaths. I plan on getting a Wetterlings also, since you can never have to many axes.

those large Bahco side cutters alone usually cost a small fortune....
i think you did good
btw. the unknown Belzer screwdriver is a automatic screwholding screwdriver. Turn the ring clockwise, insert in a slotted screw and the screw will be locked automatically. At least thats what the catalog says

Looks like you have a lot to do

I suspected that regarding the screwdriver, but was not sure. Thanks for the info!

Yes, for pliers the outlet store is good. 100:- a piece for those pliers is well below market price.

So that's why the second visit resulted in mostly pliers:

Bahco 20cm Ergo long nose with cutter. Again in US packaging. Made in France.

Belzer combination and bent needle nose. Translucent handles. No COO.

Acesa french pattern hammer. A smaller version than the last one, 25mm face instead of 30mm.

Bahco 10mm ratcheting open end wrench.

Acesa PH2 stubby driver.

Palmera mini cutting plier.

 

[mofo62]

Wolf grinder resto now complete. I started with this:

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And now have this:

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The switch and plate, one tool rest, and the mounts for the shields are not original, but finding parts for these is difficult at best (loads of 3ph 8" indiustrial units, but very few complete 6" single phase). The tooling has gone off to India though and I believe they're still made there, so if anybody is making the trip...

I would have liked to have spent a little more time on it and taken care of some of the smaller details, but it's a birthday gift for a family member and I'm already a week late. As it is, it was completely disassembled, cleaned, new Japanese sealed bearings, paint stripped, primed and repainted (Plastikote Metal Protekt).

I debated trying to restore the tag, but I think I would have made a mess of it, and I kind of like the patina, so it just got a bit of a clean.

Overall I'm pleased for a first effort. I sort of wish I could hang onto it, but I'm positive it's new owner will be very happy, so that's enough reward for me.

Awesome work .its beauty .congratulations! CanUK


V!

 

[CanUK]

Awesome work .its beauty .congratulations! CanUK


V!

Thanks! I have 3 more grinders, plus stands to do now...

 

[CanUK]

Today's car boot finds. Not a lot really, but I thought they were interesting/useful and they only cost me £1 for the pair.

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I'm assuming the Fiat/USAG punch was a dealer tool, and the hook-spanner/tyre-lever(?) combo is out of a motorcycle kit. If anyone has better info I'd be interested in hearing it.

 

[Monte]

Yeah, Monte, please, any way we can get those tags removed? I'm getting sooooo sick of looking at them.

A moderator can probably do that....

@Monte, I bought yesterday a brand new Wurth Handfaustel 2000 g at flea market for just 5 Euro
It is like this: http://eshop.wuerth.de/Handfaeustel...oup-Wuerth.cgid/14016012030400.cid/de/DE/EUR/

It has this logo stamped http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSgf3yB7UPAPUGAmhozO0n9TX1NX7Axhkg2Iqt-QAbAXAzW5pm3Xw
so I think it is from Picard factory

surprise surprise you never know what you receive if you buy a rebadged tool

New Unior screwdrivers are trash, so what is your opinion about Gedore or Hazet from Slovenia?

i don´t know but it seems they are good enough to carry the Hazet + Gedore names... Lok has some and many members have the Hazet ones maybe they have some more experience than i do ?

Yes, for pliers the outlet store is good. 100:- a piece for those pliers is well below market price.

So that's why the second visit resulted in mostly pliers:

those Belzer pliers are nice !!!

I'm assuming the Fiat/USAG punch was a dealer tool, and the hook-spanner/tyre-lever(?) combo is out of a motorcycle kit. If anyone has better info I'd be interested in hearing it.

the hook spanner was made by "WFR Radebeul" in the GDR and is probably for a east german motorcycle like a MZ or Simson.


@ lok:
do you have a pic of the Gedore tape measure where you can see the first 10 cm of the tape ?? ?





Pattex super glue
www.Pattex.com

 

[CanUK]

the hook spanner was made by "WFR Radebeul" in the GDR and is probably for a east german motorcycle like a MZ or Simson.

Cheers Monte

 

[texchappy]

Really got a hankerin' for one of those cantilevered tool boxes. Still just at page 467 so forgive me if this has been answered on pages 468 to 764 but...

Besides Facom from Ultimate Garage, where can you get these boxes in America?

Also, are any of them better made than the others or one that I should avoid?

TIA,
Tony

 

[shoturtle]

Hazet dealers in the US, but they will charge you a pretty penny for one. Facom, Hazet, Gedero and stehwallie all have nice ones. Then there are the toyo and others. They are nice to have.

 

[lok]

About the sockets i choose double hexagon. You already had the 1/2 in hexagon as i can see in your toolbox.

Go for the 12 point.

Rounding off is less of a problem with larger fasteners.

Also when you combine a breaker bar with a long cheater bar, a long extension and a large socket, it becomes rather cumbersome when repositioning or moving to a different bolt. 12 point is a bit handier.

bi-hexagon is more versatile....

So bi-hexagon. Thanks. The biggest concern was the rounding of the corners course of the bigger torque.

@ lok:
do you have a pic of the Gedore tape measure where you can see the first 10 cm of the tape ?? ?

No, but you will have the pic tomorrow.

Until then I found this one.

 

[Geurt]

i don´t know but it seems they are good enough to carry the Hazet + Gedore names... Lok has some and many members have the Hazet ones maybe they have some more experience than i do ?

I've got two sets of those screwdrivers and one of the torx sets. I use them a lot and they hold up great. Tips are good and the handles are comfortable.

 

[lok]

New Unior screwdrivers are trash, so what is your opinion about Gedore or Hazet from Slovenia?

I'll take some pics sometime.

 

[lok]

A better one.

 

[unknow82]

I think it's from the 80's

The number is 4500/7-11

Does anyone have an old catalog with this kit in it?

I have one from late 1980's and I think that set is in, with tools individualy also.

 

[rickhigginshtbr]

I stopped reading somewhere way back and have some catching up do myself. Among the best threads on GJ!

I noticed some of the tags were pretty deragotory I guess haters gonna hate!

I gave up reading this thread, just browse it daily for the foreign tool ****

Anyway, so I picked up 4 Gedore # 12 wrenches yesterday... made in India?

 

[Holt]

I gave up reading this thread, just browse it daily for the foreign tool ****

Anyway, so I picked up 4 Gedore # 12 wrenches yesterday... made in India?

You can find the India made Gedore at pawn shops everywhere around here. I'm pretty sure this has been brought ho they are JUNK. Just Gedore way to market to the lower tier.

 

[Alfajuj]

I have one from late 1980's and I think that set is in, with tools individualy also.

Wow!!!

I would love to see that!

I studied the 1979 catalog from the Hazet website (thanks Mac_Intosh )
The kits were mentioned in the special tools section for various brands, then they were also shown in the special section for carburetor tools. My particular kit was not mentioned in that catalog, though.
After a lot of study and use of google translator, I have figured out most of the tools' purposes. They are almost all meant for Solex and Zenith carburetors.

There is something that I'd like to ask you to please check:
I think there would be a list showing which type of vehicles the kit is intended for. Is there any mention of the kit with the specific number 4500/7-11 in that catalog?
(Also kit number 4500/9-11)

Thanks

 

[Jure]

Has anyone noticed the similarity between UNIOR and GEDORE special screwdriver? Anyone knows where are they produced?

UNIOR:

GEDORE:

unior is making them for gedore.
btw voltage testers
gedore:

unior:

 

[Alfajuj]

If anybody is interested, there are some pristine NOS original Hazet 600 wrenches for sale on ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/alfajuj/m.html?item=251260954537&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a8051e7a9&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

 

[lok]

For monte.

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I found out that there are two type of blue handle gedore screwdriver. The older has the same handle shape with the yellow which is even older.

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Here is a PZ4 and and PH4.

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I tried to take some pics from the store but the battery betrayed me.

Toys for giants from irega

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[lok]

These two follow me at home.

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Germany not Austria.

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So bi-hexagon as you command.
I was thinking to get some cheaper like carolus but suddenly I started to sweat, my hands were shaking and I got dizzy.

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Now everything is fine.

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[texchappy]

Need a 30mm socket to work on my car.

Besides price, what is the difference between Stahlwille and Hazet sockets.

 

[marlinspike]

Need a 30mm socket to work on my car.

Besides price, what is the difference between Stahlwille and Hazet sockets.

Hazet have better knurling.
Stahlwille have a consistent semi-matte finish
Hazet have a finish that is half matte and half polished.
I can't say with certainty, but I would expect the Stahlwille to be thinner walled.
Both are great.

 

[texchappy]

Thanks marlinspike, that helps.

 

[JoeMk1]

PB Swiss Torx Keys

They are tiny! They were also poorly described on eBay so I got them for 1/4 retail price I don't even have a car with Torx fastners! What have you done to me GJ?!

They are nice though. I love the etching that PB Swiss use, very clear to read. I think I'm getting addicted to PB Swiss

 

[bart1]

This little beast came in my hands while I was looking for a 3/4 tommy bar.

pics...

The question is what socket to get. Hexagon or double hexagon?

I have one of those. Bought it off here. I insist that my 3/4" drive stuff be 6 point, so I have a few Wright impact sockets that I use. I also bought a Craftsman sliding T handle for when I really need to apply some serious torque.

 

[2oolhound]

Here's my Geodore BSW wrench along with two Koken BSW sockets.

Nice tools, I have a few Koken BSW sockets too and they hold up pretty well.

Oh, so you were a pro? Yes, it seems that Husqvarna has a good reputation even outside of Sweden. It's a 8" wedge, I was surprised that they had Ochsenkopf wedges at a Husqvarna dealership. It felt better than Husqvarnas smooth wedges though.

If they're built like they were in the 70's you'll have a heck of a saw. I've had one run over by a D8 Cat, pushed 3' deep in the ground by a big tree and left them out over nights in 40' below weather for weeks at a time and they still started and ran in the am for me. By the end of the day they would be soaking wet and the recoil rope would freeze in a circle over night, that was the most trouble starting, you had to pull/push the rope in and out till it softened up.

The "grooved" wedges like you have were for winter below about 30' when the trees froze right up. If the tree was leaning back at all or there was a bad snow load on the back side of the tree the regular wedges would spit right out of the kerf from the pressure so the grooves were burned in and that worked. Didn't use grooved in the summer because plain wedges were cheaper and no need.

Today's car boot finds. Not a lot really, but I thought they were interesting/useful and they only cost me £1 for the pair.

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I'm assuming the Fiat/USAG punch was a dealer tool, and the hook-spanner/tyre-lever(?) combo is out of a motorcycle kit. If anyone has better info I'd be interested in hearing it.

Yes, there's never enough room to pack your tools on a motorcycle. The hook spanner would have adjusted the shocks and possibly the exhaust header retainer rings and doubled as a tire iron.

 

[lok]

I have one of those. Bought it off here. I insist that my 3/4" drive stuff be 6 point, so I have a few Wright impact sockets that I use. I also bought a Craftsman sliding T handle for when I really need to apply some serious torque.

Thanks bart. My biggest concern was not to round off the corners. But as the N.I said with the larger fasterner this is more difficult. Also all my 1/2 dr socket are 6 point and there are a lot of axle nut which are b-hex.
The hexagon sockets are more stable on the bolt, but the bi hexagon works better with a T-bar and breaker bar.

Well the better is to have both.

 

[texchappy]

Just ordered a stahwille socket, Hazet double open end wrench, and hazet magnet bowl.

 

[Monte]

For monte.

Thanks !!
Approved in Germany it seems ..."D"...for Deutschland

Toys for giants from irega

hmmm nice store !! What else do they have ?

I was thinking to get some cheaper like carolus but suddenly I started to sweat, my hands were shaking and I got dizzy.

the Gedore virus

Now everything is fine.

some more stuff from Aldi: