Tools from the old world

[Mr MoAiZo]

What a sad day.
I used 3 drill bits for four drillings.

My question is, what are good drill bits for concrete and for metal?

My old drill is due for replacement, so what company makes good drills?

 

[Monte]

i knew it!

really?

nope ! or yes ?

price is, well, nothing if i pass it to the future little binturongs!

oooohh noooo no more binturongs

the Mato one looks nice but HDPE??? mmmm... maybe.
there's this one though: *clicky!*

The Mato one is also available in metal and is "Engineered in Germany"
ooooooooooooooooooohhhh nice Belzer !!! I knew they made nice pliers and screwdrivers and such but now also the best oiler of the world !!!

Monte, is there a good source for NOS Knipex pliers and the like? Those handles...

ebay maybe and small hardware stores....

What a sad day.
I used 3 drill bits for four drillings.

My question is, what are good drill bits for concrete and for metal?

My old drill is due for replacement, so what company makes good drills?

percussion drill ? rotary drill or rotary hammer ? The best drills are made by Fein (Fein BOP...) the best rotary hammers by Duss. Good drill bits for concrete (SDS-Plus) are available from Milwaukee/Drebo, Dewalt/***, Bosch/Hawera, Heller, Keil , Hitachi, Makita etc.
The good ones have a 4-cutter or 3-cutter carbide head and are made in Germany (all of them which i mentioned). Search Ebay for "Dewalt XLR" or "Makita Nemesis" or "Heller Trijet" etc.

 

[cosmik binturong]

Cosmik, your "editing reasons" always make me giggle

what? i never edit my posts. never ever never.

pictures!

Got this stuff pretty cheap.. MSRP for the Knipex only, the 1/2 Beta allen key was $1 and change, the PB Swiss driver was 3 I think! Don't mind the laptop

yeah, you got good taste in euro-screwies and hex stuff, not so much with that unfinished german thingie...

BTW, if you need a small series of Torx Plus flag drivers, you can get the Garant branded ones for quite cheap(Monte will tell you, as usual, who the OEM is !)

 

[cosmik binturong]

nope ! or yes ?

oooohh noooo no more binturongs

The Mato one is also available in metal and is "Engineered in Germany"
ooooooooooooooooooohhhh nice Belzer !!! I knew they made nice pliers and screwdrivers and such but now also the best oiler of the world !!!

"engineered" in Germany is not really what i'm after at these prices...

percussion drill ? rotary drill or rotary hammer ? The best drills are made by Fein (Fein BOP...) the best rotary hammers by Duss. Good drill bits for concrete (SDS-Plus) are available from Milwaukee/Drebo, Dewalt/***, Bosch/Hawera, Heller, Keil , Hitachi, Makita etc.
The good ones have a 4-cutter or 3-cutter carbide head and are made in Germany (all of them which i mentioned). Search Ebay for "Dewalt XLR" or "Makita Nemesis" or "Heller Trijet" etc.

get the Hawera/Bosch X5L and be done with it.


the Hawera Multi Construction are quite good too if you do not drill only concrete: *clicky*

especially handy when you don't know what you're going to be drilling in beforehand...

edit:

(picture shows S4L 'cause there wasn't any X5L in stock when i bought these and also 'cause they were quite cheap, like eight euros the whole box. the X5L are way better though... )

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

percussion drill ? rotary drill or rotary hammer ? The best drills are made by Fein (Fein BOP...) the best rotary hammers by Duss. Good drill bits for concrete (SDS-Plus) are available from Milwaukee/Drebo, Dewalt/***, Bosch/Hawera, Heller, Keil , Hitachi, Makita etc.
The good ones have a 4-cutter or 3-cutter carbide head and are made in Germany (all of them which i mentioned). Search Ebay for "Dewalt XLR" or "Makita Nemesis" or "Heller Trijet" etc.

:

get the Hawera/Bosch X5L and be done with it.


the Hawera Multi Construction are quite good too if you do not drill only concrete: *clicky*

especially handy when you don't know what you're going to be drilling in beforehand...

I use a pistol grip hammer drill (Schlagbohrmaschine).
Thanks for the advices!

 

[Blöckw@rt]

I use a pistol grip hammer drill (Schlagbohrmaschine).

If you have a Hornbach market in your area, you can look there to Alpen drills (Made in Austria), which are also has a very good quality !

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I found this offer…………the screwdrivers looks like rebranded Felo's, but the price seems suspiciously low to me.

If I did not already have so many screwdrivers, maybe I would try this set.

http://www.werkzeughandel-flessas.d...e_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/63086463/Products/033

 

[Monte]

Monte will tell you, as usual, who the OEM is !)

sorry i don´t know.... Never saw them in person...... but maybe there is a "swiss made" somewhere

"engineered" in Germany is not really what i'm after at these prices...

...but the poor engineers need to earn some money too....

I use a pistol grip hammer drill (Schlagbohrmaschine).
Thanks for the advices!

if you use a Schlagbohrer then i would take a look at the Hawera/Bosch drill bits Cosmik Binturong recommended, "Goldcraft" bits from "Keil" or the Alpen drill bits from Blockw@rts post (Alpen drill bits with red painted flutes are similar to the Bosch Multi Contruction bits/ But remember some bits are recommended for use without impact mode). Alpen also offers impact drill bits specially for concrete (Black flutes/ "Profi Beton"), Hawera too ("Elastic Super" / "Perfect Power")

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I found this offer…………the screwdrivers looks like rebranded Felo's, but the price seems suspiciously low to me.

If I did not already have so many screwdrivers, maybe I would try this set.

http://www.werkzeughandel-flessas.d...e_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/63086463/Products/033

http://www.silverlinetools.com/products/d89/s792
hhmmm i dunno ....for these prices i´m 99.9999% sure they´re not from Felo

 

[Miskin]

Here you go: Link.

Is the cheapest dealer in Germany.

Thanks!
I think this is his online shop. Unfortunately lowest order 250 €, and i suspect only within Germany.

 

[Blöckw@rt]

Tube socket wrench from Elora, I used @ work.

Cheap chrome.............

Offtopic

@Monte

Do you have a SnapOn Pricelist for Germany ?

How many cost the KEXN725A0PCM Roll Cab, EPIQ™, 31 Drawers, 144" Wide, Royal Blue.

I love shocks……………maybe a bank robbery...???

 

[Monte]

@Monte

Do you have a SnapOn Pricelist for Germany ?

How many cost the KEXN725A0PCM Roll Cab, EPIQ™, 31 Drawers, 144" Wide, Royal Blue.

I love shocks……………maybe a bank robbery...???

unfortunately snap-on doesn´t hand out price lists so you have to request every single price from your snap-on dealer but at 23 grand $ i guess you can as well buy a VW Passat or a Golf GTI from that money......







Eberle "Blitz" saw
www.eberle-augsburg.de

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

Thanks!
I think this is his online shop. Unfortunately lowest order 250 €, and i suspect only within Germany.

Try and send him an email. I have never bought from him via shop, only per mail.
And I bought for less than 250€.

 

[Miskin]

Try and send him an email. I have never bought from him via shop, only per mail.
And I bought for less than 250€.

Thanks for the info!

Leroy Merlin in Athens. Dexter Torx drivers

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Dexter TX30 from Wiha (left) and Dexter TX30 from P.R.C. (right). Same price (5€).

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Guess which followed me back home..

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[Mr MoAiZo]

Thanks to Monte and cosmic binturong I bought a 5-piece Bosch X5L drill bit set.

This thread and the people posting on it are very helpful. Let's keep it going!

I want to ask something:
A friend of mine and I are going to work a lot on cars together.
To make things easier I want to buy a compressor and an 1/2" air impact wrench (made in the old world )
This compressor has to feed the air impact wrench and a SATA 3000 HVLP spray gun.

On garagejournal some people recommend the Ingersoll Rand 231C that is sold as 231GXP in Germany.
But there are other manufacturers. So which makes the most bang for the buck?:
Aircat, Chicago Pneumatic, Pneutec, Shinano, Sioux and even the Taiwanese Pneutrend. (And a lot of relabeled tools...
Another friend recommended his 1/2" Hazet air impact wrench to me. It even says 'Made in Germany' - which the newer models don't - but I doubt that Hazet made them themself.)

As for the wrench I want to stay under 200€.

Because I got good advices in this thread I said to him that I am going to ask here first.

 

[cosmik binturong]

err... i sorta posted on the wrong thread what got here by post yesterday and coulda (and shoulda) been posted right here, so let's go clickity-click!: *clicky!*


and to echo Mr MoAiZo: great thread, good advice on what exists, what works and what doesn't (and all that almost without much CoO and/or brand-bigotry ) and lotsa lotsa lotsa goodwill from all the nice people of all confines of the Earth who have posted and continue to post interesting messages and pics here to make this thread the real biggie one on GJ and, methinks, one of the most useful.

thnaks Monte and to every member that added "value" to the thread!

anyway, last day of Summer Sale find, from Wolfcraft:

a small cheapie that will be useful soon...

 

[cosmik binturong]

after being used(abused?) for years in industrial maintenance in an automotive plant, this 1/2" ******** rat from SAM will have it's remaining chrome removed and will get a homemade black oxide finish:

don't hold your breath guys it's not a short term project...

 

[cosmik binturong]

woah! got a package from Miskin today!

sorry, no pics now, that would be for next month when we'll be back but let's just say that inside are my first made in Greece tools!!!

thnak you Miskin!!!

 

[Miskin]

woah! got a package from Miskin today!

sorry, no pics now, that would be for next month when we'll be back but let's just say that inside are my first made in Greece tools!!!

thnak you Miskin!!!

Be gentle with them! Always at your service!

 

[Monte]

Leroy Merlin in Athens. Dexter Torx drivers

nice to see some rebadged Wiha tools !

I want to ask something:
A friend of mine and I are going to work a lot on cars together.
To make things easier I want to buy a compressor and an 1/2" air impact wrench (made in the old world )
This compressor has to feed the air impact wrench and a SATA 3000 HVLP spray gun.

On garagejournal some people recommend the Ingersoll Rand 231C that is sold as 231GXP in Germany.
But there are other manufacturers. So which makes the most bang for the buck?:
Aircat, Chicago Pneumatic, Pneutec, Shinano, Sioux and even the Taiwanese Pneutrend. (And a lot of relabeled tools...
Another friend recommended his 1/2" Hazet air impact wrench to me. It even says 'Made in Germany' - which the newer models don't - but I doubt that Hazet made them themself.)

As for the wrench I want to stay under 200€.

Because I got good advices in this thread I said to him that I am going to ask here first.

I think it will be difficult to find an air impact from the Old World, and if, below 200.- Compressors are in most cases from Italían companies made in Italy or China - so that will be much easier
There are other common brands in Germany for impacts like Rodcraft, Rodac or Aircraft:

http://www.aircraft-kompressoren.de/produkte/druckluftwerkzeuge/schlagschrauben/index.html
http://www.rodcraft.com/lang-de/produkte-mainmenu-38.html?page=shop.browse&category_id=64
http://shop.rodac.com/webshop/artikellijst.aspx?bookmark=true

or simply get this one ...: (your friends ??)
http://heisse-nuesse.de/index.php?page=product&info=94
or with the mandatory socket set:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/HAZET-9012-1...werker_Druckluftwerkzeuge&hash=item5d3e4364af

The Sioux impacts are not available here (?) Snap-On is but high $$$, Shinano not avail (?) as well as Aircat and Pneutrend (?). Ingersoll has a good price, but the Hazet seems to have more power.... CP has some good prices too..(.http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Druckluftt...Schlagschrauber_125_1/2_746_Nm_i284_14443.htm ).if you want to spend closer to 200 then we talk about 1000 NM and more if you want to spend less we usually talk about 600 to 800 NM... i don´t know if the 200.- you want to spend include impact sockets etc... (or if you want to use chrome sockets )

err... i sorta posted on the wrong thread what got here by post yesterday and coulda (and shoulda) been posted right here, so let's go clickity-click!: *clicky!*

i hope it´s ok as compensation for the wrenches you´ve sent me

So i´ll post your tools here:

Festool bit set:


6mm hex + groove = "Centrotec":


"Centrotec" chuck:


Fitment is good


NOS Gedore punch set:





DON´t worry Cosmik !! i bought everything twice so i actually took pics of my tools


ok except this Gedore bit holder which i didn´t buy twice because i already had the red version

shaft looks different but it´s safe to say they´re both from Felo:

oh and the Gedore ratchet because i didn´t see any hints you wanted one ...ok the Festo handle instead but it seems Santa has to deliver it

 

[Trucky]

Aha.. I love that Gedore blue.. I think it's blue. I'm colorblind (to a minor degree), so work with me on this.

I hope amazon lowers their prices for that stuff.. like 200%. Then I'll be able to afford it

 

[DieCastElectrician]

I Picked Up Some Pliers At An Estate Sale
I Like Getting Old German Pliers ,However Its Hard To Find Info On Them
These Say ACIERFONDU On The Inside Of The Handles
And On The Side I Think It Says VON CLEFF & Co.
Germany
They Look Like Regular Duck Bill Pliers But With A Nice Box Joint

I Sure Would Like To Know How THey Make These Joints

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

nice to see some rebadged Wiha tools !
I think it will be difficult to find an air impact from the Old World, and if, below 200.- Compressors are in most cases from Italían companies made in Italy or China - so that will be much easier
There are other common brands in Germany for impacts like Rodcraft, Rodac or Aircraft:
http://www.aircraft-kompressoren.de/produkte/druckluftwerkzeuge/schlagschrauben/index.html
http://www.rodcraft.com/lang-de/produkte-mainmenu-38.html?page=shop.browse&category_id=64
http://shop.rodac.com/webshop/artikellijst.aspx?bookmark=true

or simply get this one ...: (your friends ??)
http://heisse-nuesse.de/index.php?page=product&info=94
or with the mandatory socket set:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/HAZET-9012-1...werker_Druckluftwerkzeuge&hash=item5d3e4364af

The Sioux impacts are not available here (?) Snap-On is but high $$$, Shinano not avail (?) as well as Aircat and Pneutrend (?). Ingersoll has a good price, but the Hazet seems to have more power.... CP has some good prices too..(.http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Druckluftt...Schlagschrauber_125_1/2_746_Nm_i284_14443.htm ).if you want to spend closer to 200 then we talk about 1000 NM and more if you want to spend less we usually talk about 600 to 800 NM... i don´t know if the 200.- you want to spend include impact sockets etc... (or if you want to use chrome sockets )


NOS Gedore punch set:

I have found an offer for the IR air wrench:
http://www.ateshop.nl/de/ingersoll-rand-231gxp-schlagschrauber-p-43.html
You can buy a toolboot with it . But it costs more than the CP and the Hazet.
(On a forum I found this:
"Made in China by Ingersoll Rand, Designed & Engineered in USA" rather than Made for Ingersoll-Rand in CHINA. The factory in China is owned and run by IR employees.)

So the race will be between the Aircraft, Hazet, IR, Pneutec, Rodac and Rodcraft .

My friend told me that they use Kaeser and Schneider air compressors at work. Are they any good?

As for the sockets, I already have the Ko-ken :


My Gedore punch set. It seems that quite a lot people bought it:

 

[nowlan]

Is there some deal on punches?

 

[Monte]

I Picked Up Some Pliers At An Estate Sale
I Like Getting Old German Pliers ,However Its Hard To Find Info On Them
These Say ACIERFONDU On The Inside Of The Handles
And On The Side I Think It Says VON CLEFF & Co.
Germany
They Look Like Regular Duck Bill Pliers But With A Nice Box Joint

I Sure Would Like To Know How THey Make These Joints

There is a german screw manufacturer " vom Cleff" www.vomcleff.de
"Acier Fondu" is french and means "cast steel"

I have found an offer for the IR air wrench:
http://www.ateshop.nl/de/ingersoll-rand-231gxp-schlagschrauber-p-43.html
You can buy a toolboot with it . But it costs more than the CP and the Hazet.
(On a forum I found this:
"Made in China by Ingersoll Rand, Designed & Engineered in USA" rather than Made for Ingersoll-Rand in CHINA. The factory in China is owned and run by IR employees.)

So the race will be between the Aircraft, Hazet, IR, Pneutec, Rodac and Rodcraft .

My friend told me that they use Kaeser and Schneider air compressors at work. Are they any good?

As for the sockets, I already have the Ko-ken :

My Gedore punch set. It seems that quite a lot people bought it:

interesting boot...with a Maglite ?

i once worked one day at a "Euromaster" tire shop and we had these guns there too, so i guess it should work well for you.
Kaeser compressors are probably the best www.kaeser.de Made in Germany.... Schneider is a german company and belongs to the same company who owns Festool www.schneider-airsystems.de The compressors itself are from Italy (the last time i looked at them...) from "Fiac" www.fiac.it ,the air tanks were supplied by the german company "BWB" www.bsb-bwb.de (the last time i looked at them...) They do offer air tools too: http://www.schneider-airsystems.de/...ergleich.aspx?foc=SD-Schlagschrauber_SGS_8213
btw. nice Gedore punches + Koken sockets

Is there some deal on punches?

the price is ok...:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Werkzeug-Sat...n_Heimwerker_Handwerkzeug&hash=item35c2902a78

 

[decaf]

Got a STRONG (92Nm) and nice cordless screwdriver today.

I´m happy that they put a sidehandle in the box, because goood damn this one is strong....

 

[bahcoswed]

Decaf: I must say that hitachi`s powertools are strong! It must be because we use them every day on my work and they are some kind of torture to the tools!

 

[node105]

THese arrived this afternoon

pity the holder doesn't accommodate the 2 smaller flat blades.

 

[decaf]

Very nice drills and pretty expensive....(98 USD/74 EUR).
But Dormer is a part of Sandvik who comes from Sweden and they sure know how to make things of metal. Especially drills.












And some nice Wera Impaktors. I really like them:

 

[Monte]

Got a STRONG (92Nm) and nice cordless screwdriver today.

nice drill !!





"Garant" 3/8" universal joint

 

[bahcoswed]

nice drill !!





"Garant" 3/8" universal joint
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Its like a stahlwille!

 

[lok]

Hi guys!

Do you miss my bad English?

Ahh end of summer vacation, back to work now.

I also have some new tools but not pics yet.

"Garant" 3/8" universal joint

Monte why the Garant is less expensive than stahlwille?

Its like a stahlwille!

It is a stahlwille.

 

[Monte]

Hi guys!

Do you miss my bad English?

Ahh end of summer vacation, back to work now.

I also have some new tools but not pics yet.

Monte why the Garant is less expensive than stahlwille?

welcome back
i guess because Stahlwille is a premium brand and Garant only a "no-name" brand for the people who want to spend less like me

 

[Trucky]

So is Garant a rebrand of Stahlwille? Or the other way around?

 

[Blöckw@rt]

Stahlwille is producing some tools (labeled Garant) for the Hoffmann Group, whether the tools are made in cheaper quality than the originals !?! …who knows…maybe. .......


http://www.hoffmann-tools.com/index...acturerlist&searchparam=&mnid=29#.Ufyue-U9XJY

 

[bahcoswed]

Whats about top tec? Are that to a stahlwille production?

 

[Blöckw@rt]

Do you mean ?

http://www.toptec-tools.de/products.htm#

This company is not a part of the Stahlwille group.

 

[JukeBox]

Some new pics:

I love this Unior pliers. Got them few years ago in a raffle.

 

[Monte]

Some new pics:

nice pics !









"Scrubs" hand cleaner towels:
www.itwprofessionalbrands.com

 

[bahcoswed]

Do you mean ?

http://www.toptec-tools.de/products.htm#

This company is not a part of the Stahlwille group.

This i mean

 

[lok]

This i mean

These are definitely not made in Germany.

 

[cosmik binturong]

I want to ask something:
A friend of mine and I are going to work a lot on cars together.
To make things easier I want to buy a compressor and an 1/2" air impact wrench (made in the old world )
This compressor has to feed the air impact wrench and a SATA 3000 HVLP spray gun.

On garagejournal some people recommend the Ingersoll Rand 231C that is sold as 231GXP in Germany.
But there are other manufacturers. So which makes the most bang for the buck?:
As for the wrench I want to stay under 200€.

or this one: *clicky!* less weight and a bit more power.

should be right around the 200.00€ mark once shipped...