Tools from the old world

[Monte]

Hello,
these days I'm thinking about buying a pair of pliers and let me know your opinions and / or recomendations on which I have selected:

Orbis
Mota
Toptul

Apart from that I intend to use it I would like to know whether the products of these brands are in the same category.

I take this opportunity to give my greetings this holiday season and best wishes for 2014!

Thank you!
Many greetings!

Hi Luis,
never heard of Mota, seems to be a spanisch distributor of tools ? Never saw Toptul over here.... i guess i would go with Orbis - made in Germany. How are the prices ?

Lang thread file set. I may go intentionally cross-thread something so I can try these out.

Do these things actually work ?












NOS 20mm spade bit from Bayrische Bohrerwerke/***

 

[CanUK]

Do these things actually work ?

When I rebuilt the red Wolf grinder, the threads on one end of spindle were damaged and I couldn't get the nut started. It was (from memory) a 1/2" BSW thread and I think maybe the left handed thread. Anyhow, a die to fix it was going to cost quite a lot to buy for a single job so I took it to an engineering shop. The guy there used one of these to clean it up in a few passes.

So it seems they do work, at least for light damage. They're also inexpensive (about £30 for this set) and obviously much more compact than the same range of dies.

Also, if the threads are damaged at the end (as was the case with my grinder) where you'd hope to have a clean start for using a die, using a thread file you can just start below the damage and work outwards.

 

[impulse922]

Anyone know where I can buy a Flaig tire pressure gauge? particularly the 45* one(S-1475).

 

[Luis Arturo]

Hi Luis,
never heard of Mota, seems to be a spanisch distributor of tools ? Never saw Toptul over here.... i guess i would go with Orbis - made in Germany. How are the prices ?

Hi Monte,
I understand that Mota is a Spanish brand and distribute its products in South America through its offices in Brazil and Argentina.

Here in Peru mostly find the Stanley tools (Brazilian, Chinese or Taiwanese) Bahco (Argentine) and several Chinese trademarks. The high end (Hazet, Gedore, etc.) is not very common to see them in the markets of Lima ferreteros but looking can find something interesting.

Regarding the price of pliers, none of the three passes 12 dollars, so I think I'll bow by Orbis ...

regards,

 

[cosmik binturong]

Luis Arturo, you should get in touch with mofo62, he may be able to help you get other better tools in Perù and give you some good local addresses.


even better if you do like Beta tools too!

 

[JukeBox]

Hi guys!

I need a quality hand tap and die set. I am looking for something European.

http://www.voelkner.de/products/19168/Gewindeschneid-Satz-M3-M12-32-teilig.html

Exact seems good to me and contains everything I need. Where is it made?

 

[N.I.]

Do these things actually work ?

Slowly. I was disappointed by them. If you have a die the right size you will use it first, but they are handy for oddball sizes.

Hi guys!

I need a quality hand tap and die set. I am looking for something European.

http://www.voelkner.de/products/19168/Gewindeschneid-Satz-M3-M12-32-teilig.html

Exact seems good to me and contains everything I need. Where is it made?

I doubt you will get any European set in that price range unless you turn to ebay. Dormer, Presto, Goliath and Few are my first choice, but their full sets are silly money new.

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

Hi guys,

some tools from me, some new, some not:

Kirschen 2Cut (Germany)


Ko-ken attack driver set AN112A that consists of attack driver 4112N, 1/2" bit holder 4138 for 5/16" bits, 5/16" Phillips bit 100P.32-2 and -3, 5/16" slot bit 100S.32-2 and -3 plus an extra bit holder 4137 for 1/4" bits (Japan)

Do I love Ko-ken!

Toptul 1/2" extension CAED1616 with led light plus adapter 3/8" to 1/2" CAEC1216 (Taiwan)

The extension has a spring clip. I am quite surprised by their finish.

A package that i received from Bhae / HERRAPRO:

Blue-Point Pick Up Tool, Magnetic, Telescopic PHT5
Blue-Point Mirror, Pocket, Round, 17" extension (Mirror: 1 1/4" Diameter) PTM143
Snap-On Wrench, Metric, Hi-Performance, Box, 0° Offset, 12-13 mm, 12-Point XDHFM1213
Snap-On 1/2" Breaker Bar, Soft Grip Handle, 24" SHBB24
(all USA)

Wiha System 6 set 281T11 (Germany) and Felo M-Tec 8,0x110, 10,0x125, 13,0x125 (Germany)


Hazet 1/2" 900C-17 17mm with two balls holding the screw at the end (W.-Germany) and Ko-ken 3/8" 3300M-120 10mm (120mm long!) (Japan)

Did I say that I love Ko-ken?

Habero 32 H-1 1/4 (Germany) and Gedore Grip 137 K1, 137 K2 (no COO)


Bahco 325 ergo saw with Sandflex 3096 -300-24 blade (standard set blade) (saw no COO, blade Sweden)



Bahco 321 with Sandflex 321-24 (standard set blade) and 321-7 (all Sweden)



Both Bahco saws work like a charm!

My tool storage:

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

If you have questions about some tools, feel free to ask.

 

[Blöckw@rt]

@Mr MoAiZo

The green and blue cantilever boxes are very, very impressive !

Nicht schlecht.... Herr Specht !!!



My humble one.

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

@Mr MoAiZo
The green and blue cantilever boxes are very, very impressive !

Thank you Blöckw@art. Yours is good as well.

Du hast einen prima zusammengesetzten Kasten der mehr Bedürfnisse abdeckt als meiner!

I will give some tools a new home in the near future as my working activities grow exceptionally:
Hazet 177-7 rebadged by Men@Work/Carat

And maybe a used Hazet Assistent 166.

I have two Lux Tools roll cabs but they are, how shall I put it, not as well engineered .

Cool stuff:
Beta 920A
I bought some for odd sizes (no COO).

 

[CanUK]

I will give some tools a new home in the near future as my working activities grow exceptionally:
Hazet 177-7 rebadged by Men@Work/Carat

And maybe a used Hazet Assistent 166.

I have two Lux Tools roll cabs but they are, how shall I put it, not as well engineered .

No offense intended, but only 20Kg/drawer and 300Kg overall - that's very low don't you think? Even a Halfords box will hold 40Kg/drawer and 360Kg overall. If a Lux box is not as well engineered as that Hazet, it must be made from kitchen foil.

 

[N.I.]

No offense intended, but only 20Kg/drawer and 300Kg overall - that's very low don't you think? Even a Halfords box will hold 40Kg/drawer and 360Kg overall. If a Lux box is not as well engineered as that Hazet, it must be made from kitchen foil.

You would have to compare them side to side.

I would hazard a guess that the European boxes are rated on a completely different scale altogether - and by that I mean the design safety factor.

I have just over 30kg in a couple of the Halfords drawers and wouldn't be happy putting anything more in them. The centre is bowed down and almost touching the handle of the draw below and the slides do not look one bit happy. If you actually take the laiden draw out with 30kgin it, the drawer has lost all rigidity. If loaded with the full 40kg it would take nothing for the whole thing to splat.

The European boxes probably have a safety factor of at least 3 (just guessing) and I would bet that they hold the 40kg better than a Halford's box. Then factor in the box actually being square, having better quality slides that aren't as sloppy and drawers that open out evenly?

But I am cheap and 40kg is actually hard to fit in a small box, so I am happy with the Halfords ones for the time being. However Mr CanUK, if you ever grow tried of that Lista box of yours - I may be able to give it a good home

 

[CanUK]

You would have to compare them side to side.

I would hazard a guess that the European boxes are rated on a completely different scale altogether - and by that I mean the design safety factor.

I have just over 30kg in a couple of the Halfords drawers and wouldn't be happy putting anything more in them. The centre is bowed down and almost touching the handle of the draw below and the slides do not look one bit happy. If you actually take the laiden draw out with 30kgin it, the drawer has lost all rigidity. If loaded with the full 40kg it would take nothing for the whole thing to splat.

The European boxes probably have a safety factor of at least 3 (just guessing) and I would bet that they hold the 40kg better than a Halford's box. Then factor in the box actually being square, having better quality slides that aren't as sloppy and drawers that open out evenly?

But I am cheap and 40kg is actually hard to fit in a small box, so I am happy with the Halfords ones for the time being. However Mr CanUK, if you ever grow tried of that Lista box of yours - I may be able to give it a good home

I'd have to see it to be convinced they're not just trading on the name. My Hazet cantilever box for example is hardly overwhelmingly sturdy (fortunately it was reasonably cheap). My Beta cabinets were rated at 30kg or 35kg/drawer and you definitely wouldn't have been over-loading it (drawers bowing and wobbling with fairly light loads). I wasn't amazed by the Bahco boxes I've seen either (not bad, but not remarkable)

Not trying to be a Negative-Nelly, and to be fair the box posted is not an expensive one, but I suppose I think the spec of their boxes ought to be commensurate with the strength and reputation of their tools. Looking at the Hazet site, even their expensive boxes (at Lista-like prices) are rated at 30Kg or so per drawer.

BTW - my Lista box is going nowhere. At something like 230Kg empty, and not sitting on castors, I nearly put my back out shuffling it into place. If I ever sell my house I'll just include the Lista in the price, and get another one delivered to my new house

 

[CanUK]

All my Bahco tools

Very nice. My favourite thing in that photo are the swivel-head socket spanners. I'm not sure if I'd find them useful or not, but I really, really want some.

 

[mr_jack]

All my Bahco tools

NICE!!!

 

[Veto]

All my Bahco tools

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Love the Tekno+/Irazola drivers

 

[bahcoswed]

Very nice. My favourite thing in that photo are the swivel-head socket spanners. I'm not sure if I'd find them useful or not, but I really, really want some.

You mean this spanners? I like them alot, but i like stahlwille better! Look how big they are compare to stahlwille! Both same size.

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[bahcoswed]

This is what i like with stahlwille, so much shorter socket, much easier to fit it on the bolt with a short socket in tight places! But bahco has their needs to with that lenght!

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[Luis Arturo]

Luis Arturo, you should get in touch with mofo62, he may be able to help you get other better tools in Perù and give you some good local addresses.


even better if you do like Beta tools too!

Estimated cosmik binturong

Thank you very much for the contact!!!

regards

 

[g3d0re]

Does anyone know if the gedore cantilever tool box has thicker material then the stahlwillle box.

 

[tweedlestan]

All my Bahco tools

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Very nice! What model is that flex head ratchet?

 

[CanUK]

You mean this spanners? I like them alot, but i like stahlwille better! Look how big they are compare to stahlwille! Both same size.

This is what i like with stahlwille, so much shorter socket, much easier to fit it on the bolt with a short socket in tight places! But bahco has their needs to with that lenght!

Yes, those are the ones. Thanks for the comparison and close up pics

The Gedore version looks interesting as well, but the one thing they all see to have in common is the price (all expensive). I guess I just need to start saving up. I do actually have a Stahlwille version I bought cheaply just to see what it was like, but it's an odd-ball size (7mm x 1/4") at least for the things I work on, so I haven't had a chance to use it yet:

http://www.tradesmanschoice.com/catalog/Stahlwille/29ma_DSQ.html

I just noticed it lists Honda (which is what I drive) for fit, but I don't recall using a 7mm spanner last time I did the brakes

 

[TjoFrasse]

Yes, those are the ones. Thanks for the comparison and close up pics

The Gedore version looks interesting as well, but the one thing they all see to have in common is the price (all expensive). I guess I just need to start saving up. I do actually have a Stahlwille version I bought cheaply just to see what it was like, but it's an odd-ball size (7mm x 1/4") at least for the things I work on, so I haven't had a chance to use it yet:

http://www.tradesmanschoice.com/catalog/Stahlwille/29ma_DSQ.html

I just noticed it lists Honda (which is what I drive) for fit, but I don't recall using a 7mm spanner last time I did the brakes

That kind of wrenches are quite common here in Sweden. When I originally joined here and started seeing more "international" tool setups I was surprised to how uncommon they seem to be in other countries. I never use the ones I have though, a swivel ratchet and socket is much more handy.

Yeah, I bought the same wrench just since it was so cheap. I talked with a friend that's a Honda tech and he says he never encountered a double square though. So perhaps it is really old models, or some odd one only.

Monte, sorry for a late answer. I have tried the soda blasting a bit now though and it seems a good option for cleaning carburettors and other small alloy components. I'd say it's probably too expensive for larger jobs though. A full chassis would take a lot of soda...

An example of cleaning details on a VW transaxle. Didn't damage the writing at all.

I have a question to all here also. Is there a European manufacturer that has something like:
http://www.matcotools.com/catalog/p...O-DEGREE-OFFSET-WRENCH-SET/?source=igodigital
Zero offset wrenches here are usually this type:
http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Gedore/wre...19_Flat_ring_spanner_17x19_mm_i1869_20761.htm
and that's not what I'm after...

I have only found them from American and Taiwan/China manufacturers...

Also, does anyone have any experience with http://www.uktools.com ?
They seem to have all Ko-Ken products, and reasonable shipping costs in Europe.

 

[CanUK]

I don't recall what's been discussed before, but have you looked at vapour blasting? I'm not sure if it's practical from a DIY perspective, but it seems to get good results.

The long flat ring spanners- I think Britool Hallmark did a version- I'll see if I can find a link.

UKTools - I think are best avoided. They seem to list everything regardless of whether they can actually provide it, or the lead-times involved. One or two people here have had issues with orders from them. In the UK I think these guys are the preferred/main Ko-ken seller: www.consolidatedtools.com/

That kind of wrenches are quite common here in Sweden. When I originally joined here and started seeing more "international" tool setups I was surprised to how uncommon they seem to be in other countries. I never use the ones I have though, a swivel ratchet and socket is much more handy.

Yeah, I bought the same wrench just since it was so cheap. I talked with a friend that's a Honda tech and he says he never encountered a double square though. So perhaps it is really old models, or some odd one only.

Monte, sorry for a late answer. I have tried the soda blasting a bit now though and it seems a good option for cleaning carburettors and other small alloy components. I'd say it's probably too expensive for larger jobs though. A full chassis would take a lot of soda...

An example of cleaning details on a VW transaxle. Didn't damage the writing at all.

I have a question to all here also. Is there a European manufacturer that has something like:
http://www.matcotools.com/catalog/p...O-DEGREE-OFFSET-WRENCH-SET/?source=igodigital
Zero offset wrenches here are usually this type:
http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Gedore/wre...19_Flat_ring_spanner_17x19_mm_i1869_20761.htm
and that's not what I'm after...

I have only found them from American and Taiwan/China manufacturers...

Also, does anyone have any experience with http://www.uktools.com ?
They seem to have all Ko-Ken products, and reasonable shipping costs in Europe.

 

[rumb]

Found this wire stripper, cleaned, re-lubed, changed 3 bolts.

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Works good, can be fine tuned. Made in USSR!

 

[Blöckw@rt]

Brennenstuhl 36 + 1 LED Battery Work Lamp AHL 361 IP54

 

[CanUK]

I have a question to all here also. Is there a European manufacturer that has something like:
http://www.matcotools.com/catalog/p...O-DEGREE-OFFSET-WRENCH-SET/?source=igodigital
Zero offset wrenches here are usually this type:
http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Gedore/wre...19_Flat_ring_spanner_17x19_mm_i1869_20761.htm
and that's not what I'm after...

I have only found them from American and Taiwan/China manufacturers...

Here's the Britool Hallmark set:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRITOOL-H...t=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item1e71332ba6

http://www.chrometrader.co.uk/index...ce-extra-long-ring-wrench-set-rxlfset5-detail


and a larger set with a ratcheting mechanism at one end:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Britool-H...t=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item27d8ef8fa6

and flexible ratcheting heads at each end:

http://www.chrometrader.co.uk/index...xtra-long-flexi-ratcheting-spanner-set-detail

 

[willhollin]

Yes, those are the ones. Thanks for the comparison and close up pics

The Gedore version looks interesting as well, but the one thing they all see to have in common is the price (all expensive). I guess I just need to start saving up. I do actually have a Stahlwille version I bought cheaply just to see what it was like, but it's an odd-ball size (7mm x 1/4") at least for the things I work on, so I haven't had a chance to use it yet:

http://www.tradesmanschoice.com/catalog/Stahlwille/29ma_DSQ.html

I just noticed it lists Honda (which is what I drive) for fit, but I don't recall using a 7mm spanner last time I did the brakes

Set of Toptul ones for £54.28 here -

http://www.vantagetools.co.uk/wrench-sets/3417-toptul-gaat0702.html

Or I saw some in Clas Ohlsson yesterday for £25ish

http://www.clasohlson.com/uk/Cocraft-Flex-Head-Socket-Wrench-Set/40-7793

They were made in Taiwan, finish seemed pretty good.

 

[CanUK]

Set of Toptul ones for £54.28 here -

http://www.vantagetools.co.uk/wrench-sets/3417-toptul-gaat0702.html

Or I saw some in Clas Ohlsson yesterday for £25ish

http://www.clasohlson.com/uk/Cocraft-Flex-Head-Socket-Wrench-Set/40-7793

They were made in Taiwan, finish seemed pretty good.

Will -the Toptul ones come up at £72.38 for me. Have you got some sort of magic discount cookie set?

 

[willhollin]

Use code MOTOX in the checkout to get it down to that price.

 

[CanUK]

Thanks!

Use code MOTOX in the checkout to get it down to that price.

 

[CanUK]

Set of Toptul ones for £54.28 here -

http://www.vantagetools.co.uk/wrench-sets/3417-toptul-gaat0702.html

Or I saw some in Clas Ohlsson yesterday for £25ish

http://www.clasohlson.com/uk/Cocraft-Flex-Head-Socket-Wrench-Set/40-7793

They were made in Taiwan, finish seemed pretty good.

Oooh RS do a set as well. 10pc for £50 - I wonder if they're awful.

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/spanner-sets/3883735/

 

[bahcoswed]

36 tooth Bahco 8110 h 1/2 van-extra! Heavy duty! I have this model on my work, torque 30mm fastener with 1,5 meter cheatpipe on the ratchet and use all my power and weight on the pipe, I was sure we should break it! It works good 4 months after

Very nice! What model is that flex head ratchet?

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[bahcoswed]

8-19mm Bahco 4040 swivel head spanners and stahlwille flexi 29

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[bahcoswed]

Bahco and stahlwille comparision!

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[Monte]

When I rebuilt the red Wolf grinder, the threads on one end of spindle were damaged and I couldn't get the nut started. It was (from memory) a 1/2" BSW thread and I think maybe the left handed thread. Anyhow, a die to fix it was going to cost quite a lot to buy for a single job so I took it to an engineering shop. The guy there used one of these to clean it up in a few passes.

So it seems they do work, at least for light damage. They're also inexpensive (about £30 for this set) and obviously much more compact than the same range of dies.

Also, if the threads are damaged at the end (as was the case with my grinder) where you'd hope to have a clean start for using a die, using a thread file you can just start below the damage and work outwards.

that sounds good ! So it also will repair "flat" threads, left hand/right hand threads, sae, metric etc. ?? Since a set of dies for every possible thread is to expensive ...i have this tool, it works but i´d like to have a tool which can restore a thread even better...

Anyone know where I can buy a Flaig tire pressure gauge? particularly the 45* one(S-1475).

i dunno if they export though...
http://flaig.galgenkopf.com/index.php/reifendruckmessgeraete.html

Regarding the price of pliers, none of the three passes 12 dollars, so I think I'll bow by Orbis ...

regards,

if the price is similar the answer is easy

Hi guys!
I need a quality hand tap and die set. I am looking for something European.
http://www.voelkner.de/products/19168/Gewindeschneid-Satz-M3-M12-32-teilig.html
Exact seems good to me and contains everything I need. Where is it made?

i guess most of these sets are from the far east...

in most cases i guess that the hand taps will be imported, but there is a chance to find european machine taps i think since hand taps are expensive to make/sell because 3 taps are required to make a thread....

these might be german (?) http://www.reime-noris.de/eng/gewindebohrer_satz_e.html and here a austrian option: www.alpenmaykestag.com

here is a list of german "manufacturers" of thread cutting tools:
http://www.wlw.de/treffer/gewindebohrer/hersteller.html

you might want to look through ebay for brands like Guhring, Fette, Reime Noris.....

Slowly. I was disappointed by them. If you have a die the right size you will use it first, but they are handy for oddball sizes.

maybe for SAE stuff or so...?

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nice collection !

Monte, sorry for a late answer. I have tried the soda blasting a bit now though and it seems a good option for cleaning carburettors and other small alloy components. I'd say it's probably too expensive for larger jobs though. A full chassis would take a lot of soda...
An example of cleaning details on a VW transaxle. Didn't damage the writing at all.

result looks good ! But i heard if you want to use soda in a blast cabinet it might explode ??!?!? So only use it on the outside !?

I have a question to all here also. Is there a European manufacturer that has something like:

not that i know of. Stahlwille would be the closest but theirs are 15 degree angled and spline drive












Lukas carbide burr:
www.lukas-erzett.com

 

[CanUK]

that sounds good ! So it also will repair "flat" threads, left hand/right hand threads, sae, metric etc. ?? Since a set of dies for every possible thread is to expensive ...i have this tool, it works but i´d like to have a tool which can restore a thread even better...

Yes to left or right hand threads. In the set I have, two cover SAE 9-30tpi (maybe 32? I'd have to go check), and one covers metric thread pitch 0.75-3mm. Sykes Pickavant (and presumably some other brands) also do BSW/BSF versions.

I haven't tried them yet myself to say exactly what they will and won't accomplish, nor how easy they are to use; it worked well enough for the guy who sorted my grinder for me to want a set though. And they're cheap enough that if they get me out of a jam once or twice they'll have paid for themselves.

There's videos on youtube in case it's not obvious how they work:

 

[bahcoswed]

I hate fat wrenches! Old 17mm bahco pu sweden combo wrench vs asian made wurth zebra ratchet combo flexhead wrench!

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[tweedlestan]

36 tooth Bahco 8110 h 1/2 van-extra! Heavy duty! I have this model on my work, torque 30mm fastener with 1,5 meter cheatpipe on the ratchet and use all my power and weight on the pipe, I was sure we should break it! It works good 4 months after

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Ah, thank you! That's a very good looking ratchet. It's on my wish list now.