Tools from the old world

[TjoFrasse]

Tone on Rakuten

Top on Rakuten

Well, after your recommendation and that Cosmic Binturong has recommended them earlier, I now have placed my first Rakuten order. We will see what the shipping fee is for the set of Tone I picked together though (8-10, 11-13, 12-14 and 17-19). If it's too high I might check with Prime tools instead.

For those curious, the process seems simple. There is some explanatory texts on the page also.

 

[north]

Ordered a Koken 3/8" breaker bar myself on Rakuten and the process seem pretty simple and well explained.

Won't get the shipping cost until monday 6th due to the holiday, to which the shop sent a seperate email, apologizing for the delay.

You need to accept the shipping cost for the order to take effect.

So a bit more work but easy enough.

 

[Roverbo]

Tone on Rakuten

Wauw...haven´t looked at this before...new wishes & dreams - japanese stuff...have you guys looked at the work clothes? Colored suits like "Bulma" wears in the "Dragonball" manga...must have...

Some new tools ...
...and latest addition to my Hazet garage equipment (168N):

Very nice, how much was it?

Hello here are some pictures from old world, enjoy...

Welcome SpaleHR Just bought a "reversible" screwdriver like yours in Bauhaus the other day. Sale on NOS from their stock, Wihalit (Wiha, Germany).

(..) Merry Christmas to me

Fein BOP 13-2 drill

Congrats, Monte! Not so often that you see new corded drills on GJ!

And now - more old and new tools:
View media item 36675Tools at work - the storm here in scandinavia before christmas blew away my fencing on the balcony. Time to cut some wood. A good opportunity to test different Sandvik-Bahco saws...
From bottom: Sandvik (before Bahco) ProfCut. Bahco ProfCut. Bahco Pricecut.

View media item 36680The old Sandvik is still good - but you can feel that it´s heavyly used. Impressive though, that it gives an acceptable cut after 10 years.

View media item 36676I like that the handle is two-component "Ergo", but still quite sharp cornered. Like a Volvo 740... The screen print on the blade is long gone...

View media item 36679The newer Bahco ProfCut is nice too...the plastic feels thinner, but good grip. Still very sharp.

View media item 36677When you pay for the ProfCut, you´ll get two-color screen print...but from my simple, non-scientific test the PrizeCut...
View media item 36681...cuts just the same. The handle is cheaper, without the rubber grip. And the blade is only one-color print:
View media item 36678All three saws was/are made in Sweden. I really can´t tell if the steel/hardening is the same, but i dont think that the raw material (steel cord) has much to do with the final sales price. But again, only a guess
Since the hole to hole distance is identical on all three, you could switch the blades

 

[bahcoswed]

Roverbo Nice, More bahco on GJ please

 

[Monte]

Very nice Monte, look forward to your comparison with the Milwaukee.

Surprised you didn't go for the 18v version though!

i think the Milwaukee is a different animal with more torque for larger diameters like hole saws or step drill bits etc. Because of the lower speed of the Milwaukee its a more specialised tool, with the 2 speeds of the Fein you also can drill into wood or stone and also with smaller drill bits in metal.

this ABOP ?? I´m sure it´s a nice machine, it seems they are faster than the corded ones because the battery tools maintain a more constant speed under load (click) but the problem is it´s 400 gram heavier, larger (bulkier) and has a battery a replacement battery will cost me 150.-€ every 10 (?) years, replacement brushes for the corded one 8.84 bucks...
I don´t see me spending more for battery operated tools at least not in anything else other than 10,8 volt because the batteries + tools are "cheap" and the tools are light and compact. In case of 18 volt (or any other voltage) i would have to spend more but get less. A cordless Bosch angle grinder for example would cost me around 350.- to 400.- , a bare tool still 199.-, a corded 1000 Watt Bosch angle grinder cost me 80.- ...and it´s lighter and same power...for 199.- i get a 1500 Watt Bosch which is twice as powerful...
So personally i stick with my (mostly) corded tools, i have power outlets everywhere.... For craftsmen or work on the outside cordless tools might be necessary though.... Dealers also will try to talk people into cordless that´s clear.... 20% margin on 400.-€ or 20% on 80.-€....

Congrats, Monte! Not so often that you see new corded drills on GJ!

back to the roots

All three saws was/are made in Sweden. I really can´t tell if the steel/hardening is the same, but i dont think that the raw material (steel cord) has much to do with the final sales price. But again, only a guess
Since the hole to hole distance is identical on all three, you could switch the blades

maybe the teeth are ground different ? 2 component handles will cost more in production too i guess...










tools in action

 

[superautobacs]

Well, after your recommendation and that Cosmic Binturong has recommended them earlier, I now have placed my first Rakuten order. We will see what the shipping fee is for the set of Tone I picked together though (8-10, 11-13, 12-14 and 17-19). If it's too high I might check with Prime tools instead.

For those curious, the process seems simple. There is some explanatory texts on the page also.

IIRC, Tone has the longest lengths for these zero-offset wrenches. They are priced very reasonably as well for made in Japan. I have a comparison picture of different brands somewhere on my other computer. I'll dig it out when i get the chance.

a retrospective of one of the small projects from 2013:

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http://www.fotos-hochladen.net

Nice

All My wurth zebra tools

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I like that Norbar torque wrench.

The reversible ratwrenches look very similar to a bluepoint/Snap-on with the Dual-80 mechanism! Can you tell me if there's a snapring on the back side? If there is, then Wurth is sourcing them from the same OEM.




Oh, and Happy belated New Years to y'all from Canada.

 

[Monte]

Nice

made a holder for the Fein charger too:

from this:

to this:

to this:

final result:

 

[Trucky]

Impressive! One of my most "wanted" skills to learn is welding. I'm already a decently competent machinist, but if I could weld, oh boy, I'd make stuff like that all the time. (Just not nearly as pretty

 

[bahcoswed]

I like that Norbar torque wrench.

The reversible ratwrenches look very similar to a bluepoint/Snap-on with the Dual-80 mechanism! Can you tell me if there's a snapring on the back side? If there is, then Wurth is sourcing them from the same OEM.




Oh, and Happy belated New Years to y'all from Canada. [/QUOTE]

The torque wrench is a wurth, but i guess its a rebranded Norbar!
I have take them apart and check the mechanism: Yes its are dual 80 mechanism in wurth zebra rev.ratcheting combo wrench! Same thing in my jh williams and even bahco! The flexheads iam curious who makes them, they are very bulky on the open end so i guess china but hope they are taiwan!
Forget allmost, yes they have a snapring on the back!


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[Roverbo]

Roverbo Nice, More bahco on GJ please

I will take some Bahco photos soon...not that i have so many Bahco tools...

(...) (A) a replacement battery will cost me 150.-€ every 10 (?) years, replacement brushes for the corded one 8.84 bucks...
I don´t see me spending more for battery operated tools at least not in anything else other than 10,8 volt because the batteries + tools are "cheap" and the tools are light and compact.

(B) (..) tools in action

A: I feel exactly the same way. Especially because i don´t use my tools every day.
B: Ahhh...Stollen... i live close to a Aldi Markt, must go there tomorrow to hoard a pallet

 

[Coventry]

tools in action

Stollen? I like stollen.

Mmm, stollen...

 

[nanofrog]

tools in action

I like a good knife, but between the two, I'd prefer the details on the pastry.

Looks like a miniature variation of something my great grandmother used to make, and passed on to a few others in the family.... Oh, I can taste the memories now....

Lepp cookies too.

 

[bart1]

Opinel are great. Thin edge and good steel, but very cheap. I have bought a few for friends when I was in France.

 

[dutch79]

I sold a '69 Hazet catalog to Hazet for their archives, because they didn't have it anymore.
Yesterday I recieved this pre-'65 ratchet from them!





It has a nice switch to change direction:

made a holder for the Fein charger too:

final result:

Those custom made brackets are awesome!

 

[superautobacs]

The torque wrench is a wurth, but i guess its a rebranded Norbar!
I have take them apart and check the mechanism: Yes its are dual 80 mechanism in wurth zebra rev.ratcheting combo wrench! Same thing in my jh williams and even bahco! The flexheads iam curious who makes them, they are very bulky on the open end so i guess china but hope they are taiwan!
Forget allmost, yes they have a snapring on the back!


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Interesting to know! Bahco and Williams I can understand as they are both under the Snap-on umbrella, but Wurth isn't. Can you show me a picture of your Williams, Bahco, and Wurth pictured together (both front and back side shots).

Your flex-heads are probably made in Taiwan.

made a holder for the Fein charger too:

Excellent!
You should make a universal wall-mount holder and walk through the doors at Fein headquarters to sell your design and idea.

I sold a '69 Hazet catalog to Hazet for their archives, because they didn't have it anymore.
Yesterday I recieved this pre-'65 ratchet from them!

Nice!
Hazet must've been really happy to acquire that catalog from you!

I have a vintage US-made ratchet (can't remember brand) that has a very similar switch design. It's interesting to see this design was offered in Europe as well.

Edit: found a picture on the internet.
Herbrand ratchet. They started making these in 1941 according to Alloy Artifacts.

 

[rickhigginshtbr]

I have a vintage US-made ratchet (can't remember brand) that has a very similar switch design. It's interesting to see this design was offered in Europe as well.

Edit: found a picture on the internet.
Herbrand ratchet. They started making these in 1941 according to Alloy Artifacts.

you beat me to it, I have one too! Though mine has the Herbrand script across the top. Those two are nearly identical by the looks of it.

 

[Monte]

Impressive! One of my most "wanted" skills to learn is welding. I'm already a decently competent machinist, but if I could weld, oh boy, I'd make stuff like that all the time. (Just not nearly as pretty

simply get a MIG welder and start Learning by doing is the best method

A: I feel exactly the same way. Especially because i don´t use my tools every day.
B: Ahhh...Stollen... i live close to a Aldi Markt, must go there tomorrow to hoard a pallet

good idea ! The Christmas stuff is usually 50% cheaper after x-mas so it´s time to buy

Stollen? I like stollen.

Mmm, stollen...

yeah lecker lecker christmasstollen i don´t like raisins though so i pick them out
it seems there is someone who like them though....found this buddy in my trash can:

I like a good knife, but between the two, I'd prefer the details on the pastry.

Looks like a miniature variation of something my great grandmother used to make, and passed on to a few others in the family.... Oh, I can taste the memories now....

Lepp cookies too.

the pastry ? a cake filled with marzipan and raisins. Delicious
what are Lepp cookies ?

Opinel are great. Thin edge and good steel, but very cheap. I have bought a few for friends when I was in France.

yeah for that price ! 10€ is pretty good !

I sold a '69 Hazet catalog to Hazet for their archives, because they didn't have it anymore.
Yesterday I recieved this pre-'65 ratchet from them!

cool !!!

Excellent!
You should make a universal wall-mount holder and walk through the doors at Fein headquarters to sell your design and idea.

...or start some crowdfunding and begin production on my own in my new factory












from the flea market: hydraulic cylinder from Weber
www.weber-rescue.com
maybe i can use it for a hydraulic press or car body repair etc....for €8.- i couldn´t resist

 

[bahcoswed]

Bahco are much thinner in the box end and has satin finnish! Wurth and williams has ugly cloudy yellow chrome williams box end are little bulkier than the wurth, besides that they look to be the exact same wrench. Bahco are not the same in nothing even that it haves the same mechanism!( bahco says that them self, but has not open it myself because you has to broke it)


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[nanofrog]

what are Lepp cookies ?

Did a little digging, and apparently it's a derivation of shorter word for Lebkuchen (Leb, Lep, Lepp). Seems they've also been called Amish Cookies here in the US as well.

Example recipe.

 

[superautobacs]

Bahco are much thinner in the box end and has satin finnish! Wurth and williams has ugly cloudy yellow chrome williams box end are little bulkier than the wurth, besides that they look to be the exact same wrench. Bahco are not the same in nothing even that it haves the same mechanism!( bahco says that them self, but has not open it myself because you has to broke it)


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Thanks for the photos.

Based on your photos, it's evident to me that Bahco's 1RM does not have the same ratcheting mechanism as the Williams/Wurth rat. wrenches. The thickness of the ratcheting end for the Williams/Wurth is probably dictated by the Dual-80 mechanism. The Bahco 1RM is a more standard thickness for rat.wrenches.

BTW, the colour of the chrome you mentioned may have to do with ROHS mandating the switch from using hexavalent chromium to trivalent chromium.

 

[bahcoswed]

Thanks for the photos.

Based on your photos, it's evident to me that Bahco's 1RM does not have the same ratcheting mechanism as the Williams/Wurth rat. wrenches. The thickness of the ratcheting end for the Williams/Wurth is probably dictated by the Dual-80 mechanism. The Bahco 1RM is a more standard thickness for rat.wrenches.

BTW, the colour of the chrome you mentioned may have to do with ROHS mandating the switch from using hexavalent chromium to trivalent chromium.

Yes they have a complete another feeling than the other 2 brands, wurth and williams has smoother/softer ratcheting than bahco, BUT they have a huge play before the first click pops in...you have to turn the wrench like 180 degrees before something happend! With bahco its are happend directly without the play! It says on their website that 1rm has dual80.

 

[magnusk750]

I haven't tested the ProfCut, but I've had loads of PrizeCut saws over the years, and always irritated that they are ok in the begining, but become dull quite fast. Bought a 244 Bacho, blue and orange handle, and it's quite another thing. Cost 2-3 times a Prizecut but I've had it already now 2-3 times as long as I've ever kept a Prizecut and still as new.

Btw I'm curious were they are made in Sweden? Same producer as GMAN saws? Were?

[QUOTE
When you pay for the ProfCut, you´ll get two-color screen print...but from my simple, non-scientific test the PrizeCut...
...cuts just the same. The handle is cheaper, without the rubber grip. And the blade is only one-color print:
View media item 36678All three saws was/are made in Sweden. I really can´t tell if the steel/hardening is the same, but i dont think that the raw material (steel cord) has much to do with the final sales price. But again, only a guess
Since the hole to hole distance is identical on all three, you could switch the blades [/QUOTE]

 

[Miskin]

After action pics

View media item 36698
View media item 36699
From your experience what do you think? Can i use the lifetime guarantee to get a new bitholder?

 

[CanUK]

After action pics

From your experience what do you think? Can i use the lifetime guarantee to get a new bitholder?

Wow bent and broken? Did you use it as a pry bar, or hit it with a hammer?

 

[Monte]

Did a little digging, and apparently it's a derivation of shorter word for Lebkuchen (Leb, Lep, Lepp). Seems they've also been called Amish Cookies here in the US as well.

Example recipe.

ahhhh ok, on the pics they look quite different than our Lebkuchen:
https://www.google.de/search?q=lebk...CoCg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1518&bih=654&dpr=0.9

After action pics

From your experience what do you think? Can i use the lifetime guarantee to get a new bitholder?

what did you do ??

...i would try it...









Bosch Gangnam style

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[Miskin]

Wow bent and broken? Did you use it as a pry bar, or hit it with a hammer?

None of those. I just use it to loose an air filter hose. I don't know what happened.

 

[Trucky]

None of those. I just use it to loose an air filter hose. I don't know what happened.

Uh huhhhhh

 

[Rusik]

a gift for the new year
View media item 36703

 

[Rusik]

Found this wire stripper, cleaned, re-lubed, changed 3 bolts.

Works good, can be fine tuned. Made in USSR!

I have such a tool. New. Also made ​​in the USSR

 

[Rusik]

Metabo
View media item 36704View media item 36706

 

[upgrading]

Bosch Gangnam style

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Hope they gave Psy his cut.

Name of tool at 2:08 in the vid ?

 

[Holt]

Arrived on Saturday

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[Monte]

Metabo

how did you get the chuck there ?

Name of tool at 2:08 in the vid ?

PS11
http://www.boschtools.com/Products/Tools/Pages/BoschProductDetail.aspx?pid=PS11-2A

Arrived on Saturday

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any coo on the NWS hose cutters ?

 

[Rusik]

how did you get the chuck there ?

Thread 1/2 "
View media item 36719

 

[Holt]

No coo on the tool itself but the finish makes me think china. That and there is a sticker on the side that says Patent Germany. In person looks like chrome painted plastic. Im not exactly thrilled with this tool. But it was US $25.00 compaired to $75.00 for knipex.

 

[upgrading]

PS11
http://www.boschtools.com/Products/Tools/Pages/BoschProductDetail.aspx?pid=PS11-2A

Danke.

 

[Roverbo]

I haven't tested the ProfCut, but I've had loads of PrizeCut saws over the years, and always irritated that they are ok in the begining, but become dull quite fast. Bought a 244 Bacho, blue and orange handle, and it's quite another thing. Cost 2-3 times a Prizecut but I've had it already now 2-3 times as long as I've ever kept a Prizecut and still as new.

Btw I'm curious were they are made in Sweden? Same producer as GMAN saws? Were?

Hi Magnus,
you could be right about the PrizeCut, i have kind of thought the same, and this is in fact my first "cheap" Bahco saw. I´m used to buying the more "pro" types, who has served me very well. In the big stores they often sells the PrizeCut saws in bundles of ten pieces, and maybe theres a reason for that
I have no exact knowledge of where the saws are made. Bahco have (according to swedish directories) facilities at Bollnäs, Enköping and Lidköping. I do know that the wrenches was made at Enköping, and other tools were made "up north". So a guess could be at the Lidköping plant. But as Montes videos have showed, Bahco has a new facility in Minsk, Russia for saws too. Maybe some of the swedish GJ members can tell more?

G-man saws are made in Edsbyn, same town as Bahco forestry tools are made (now spin-off as Edsbyn Industrial AB). As far as i can read on the net, the two companys has no ownership relation, and G-man is still a true swedish company.

 

[superautobacs]

Yes they have a complete another feeling than the other 2 brands, wurth and williams has smoother/softer ratcheting than bahco, BUT they have a huge play before the first click pops in...you have to turn the wrench like 180 degrees before something happend! With bahco its are happend directly without the play! It says on their website that 1rm has dual80.

I just browsed the English bahco website, but I couldn't much information. Can you provide a link?

None of those. I just use it to loose an air filter hose. I don't know what happened.

you tool abuser!

No coo on the tool itself but the finish makes me think china. That and there is a sticker on the side that says Patent Germany. In person looks like chrome painted plastic. Im not exactly thrilled with this tool. But it was US $25.00 compaired to $75.00 for knipex.

I have one of those...only mine is a Beta brand. Mine came in a nice Beta Tools box, but no sticker to indicate COO. Works well though.

 

[Holt]

Let me correct myself. Looks like painted chrome plastic but it is made of metal. It does work. I was hoping for thicker wall pvc but it does not do that well. I tested on food grade 3/4 clear tubing and it worked fine

 

[Reto]

Das ist alles Monte´s Schuld (It´s all Monte´s fault.... )

Felo screwdrivers with wood handles from www.german-hand-tools.com. They look absolutely gorgeous.

Felo VDE

Felo Torx (these come for free with the 6 pc. VDE or Ergonic sets

NWS pliers

My apologies for the bad quality of the pics. I would like to blame my camera, but I guess it´s the photographer.