Tools from the old world

[Blöckw@rt]

View media item 36825Pipe wrenches type 142 and 143 (both Sweden). This was J.P. Johanssons famous patent, who made Bahco grow internationally. Now these are made in Argentina and China.

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Many thanx for the pics !

Pipe wrenches are my big Fetish, but the Bahcos (here in Germany) are too expensive in contrast to the top ones from GEDORE/DAKO, VBW, Knipex or Rothenberger (Made in Spain).

I have just found out that there is even a 5" pipe wrench from bahco, I didn't knew that so big ones are exist !?!

http://www.bahco-versand.de/products/4071.html

Has coincidentally someone this monster ??

Pics please !!!!

 

[aussieracer]

Gifts from the Grandfather Frost.

Scrapers from Bojo.

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Find 10 differences.

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Think they are interior trim removal tools, not scrapers as such.

 

[flyingkite]

Think they are interior trim removal tools, not scrapers as such.

Actually they are both, depending on material/plastic used. Bojo scrapers look alike but have different strength - soft/strong/ultra strong/extreme. They use color to distinguish them. Transparent scrapers on the picture are soft, blue are extreme and so on.

Bogo Tools

 

[Blöckw@rt]

 

[Beenman]

A couple more oddities I picked up at the Pawnshops the other day.

PS. Sorry, the pics are sometimes whitewashed by the flash - me and cameras are not good partners....

Rabone Chesterman steel rule (150mm) made in England. Never seen this brand before now.
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Bantam 300mm steel rule from Japan.
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Then there are another couple of interesting spanners I also found. These are all branded with automotive names. I assume they were part of the tool kit that came with the car.

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[Beenman]

Then I also picked up a pair of new 6" (150mm) Eclipse G-Clamps. Tag said Spear and Jackson England. Not sure if they were made there though. We get the Spear and Jackson saws here which I am very sure are made in England.

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[Roverbo]

(Gedore adj. wrench)

Any COO on this one, Blöckw@rt? Like that "old school" black (phosfated?) look.

A couple more oddities I picked up at the Pawnshops the other day. (...)

Rabone Chesterman steel rule (150mm) made in England. Never seen this brand before now.

Could it be same brand as my grandpas old tape measusre?
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[Beenman]

Could it be same brand as my grandpas old tape measusre?
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Could well be since its also a measuring instrument, but perhaps one of the "old world tool" experts can confirm.

Its a very nice leather case for that tape measure.

 

[Monte]

misc stuff for the workshop:

paint + primer



3M Aura dust masks

 

[TheGermanToolman]

Flashlight collection

A colleague at work got the same Duracell flashlight from me as a present for his trip to India. It survived all the exertions without flaws.

A very old calculator

A timer switch

Mahr digital caliper with some kind of ceramic, extra hard jaws (not soft jaws I falsely suspected)

Nitto tape for fixing cables.

 

[Trucky]

Calipers with soft jaws? Never seen such a thing. May I ask what you think (or know) the jaws are made of?

 

[neophyte]

btw. Bahco....

Bahco/SNA production video:

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thx

It looks like Bahco uses a liquid salt hardening process for their secateurs. I'm impressed.

 

[TheGermanToolman]

Calipers with soft jaws? Never seen such a thing. May I ask what you think (or know) the jaws are made of?

Argh, shame on me. I just "tested" this caliper right now (got it for free because it was sorted out some years ago and I never took a close look at it) and it is not soft, but extra hard! Looks like some kind of ceramic insert. There's a small hollow on one of the jaws, like it got abrasion over the time of usage. My fault. Will correct this. :tard:

But there are calipers with soft jaws made by Wiha. A mix of fibre and plastic, for scratch-sensitive surfaces. I owned one of these until it got broken...

 

[Flash21]

Very nice quality, about 300% nicer than the Park they replaced

 

[Mud]

A couple more oddities I picked up at the Pawnshops the other day.

PS. Sorry, the pics are sometimes whitewashed by the flash - me and cameras are not good partners....

Rabone Chesterman steel rule (150mm) made in England. Never seen this brand before now.
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Rabone Chesterman now stanley from what i've been told. They made nice quality tools.

 

[3baygarage]

I ran across my Facom puller and thought it would fall in the Old World category. Picked this up used from an estate sale a few years ago. Never knew how much they retail for. Probably because of its versatility.

 

[Blöckw@rt]

Any COO on this one, Blöckw@rt? Like that "old school" black (phosfated?) look.

No COO.........maybe South Africa, Brazil, Turkey ?

 

[Moose-LandTran]

I ran across my Facom puller and thought it would fall in the Old World category. Picked this up used from an estate sale a few years ago. Never knew how much they retail for. Probably because of its versatility.

They're quite expensive. I've wanted one in that style for a while but the price has always put me off. Lots of puller manufacturers make near-identical ones.

 

[Beenman]

Rabone Chesterman now stanley from what i've been told. They made nice quality tools.

Interesting - Incidentally, I grew up with plenty of Stanley measuring tools (US made those days). Stanley should revive the brand.

 

[Monte]

It looks like Bahco uses a liquid salt hardening process for their secateurs. I'm impressed.

what´s the difference between salt, water, oil, air ? The type of steel has something to do with the heat treatment methods afaik ?










my Bahco collection

 

[TheGermanToolman]

what´s the difference between salt, water, oil, air ? The type of steel has something to do with the heat treatment methods afaik ?










my Bahco collection

Sehr lecker!

The Bahco ratchets are the only ones not made in Europe, right? I need a 1/2" ratchet sometime and thinking of buying either Bahco or a used ratchet, like Acesa, and buy the sockets separately. I don't need Hazet or Stahwille, at most something for home, car, motorbike etc.

 

[neophyte]

what´s the difference between salt, water, oil, air ? The type of steel has something to do with the heat treatment methods afaik ?

Salt bath hardening seems to produce exseptionally tough, fine grained steel, which is important for edge holding ability with cutting tools. Hirsch/Two Cherries/Kirschen chisels from Germany are salt hardened, as are the carbon steel chisels and plane blades from Lie-Nielsen tools in the USA. Estwing also seems to use salt hardening for their one piece forged hammers. Theirs-Issard and Dovo use lead bath hardening for their straight razors which seems to produce similar results. I'm not sure exactly why, but the results from companies that use salt hardening seem to be better than some of the companies that don't.

 

[Jure]

 

[Jure]

 

[TjoFrasse]

So, my order from Mutsuura (Rakuten) arrived.

Shipping was quick and packing was really good! Total cost ended up being around 1100 SEK (€120, $170). This is with import tax and import fees, which was 300 SEK.

I would definitely recommend Mutsuura to anybody interested in ordering Japanese tools. The process via Rakuten was quick and easy.

I ordered the extra long zero offsets from Tone. I got 8-10, 11-13, 12-14 and 17-19. The length of them is really impressive, and the finish is a nice satin and the machining is precise.

I also got 8 and 10mm Lightool stubby wrenches. They have a semi gloss (not full) that was quite hard to get a good picture of.

Some difference between length for 8 and 10mm!

Also bought a Engineer Neji-saurus plier. I have seen some not so overwhelmed reviews here, but was still curious. Very nice and precise machining! The pivot have perfect resistance and the jaws are sharp and exact.

The jaws close at the cutter, and the rest of the jaws do not touch when fully closed.

The handle is nice, but is probably a dirt collector with all these small holes and edges.

KTC 3/8" spinner and Koken 1/4" to 3/8" adapter. Both very nice, excellent build quality.

 

[north]

Good stuff TjoFrasse. Glad to see the order went ok. I have a set of those pliers and I love mine. Good for pulling and twisting stuff where a normal pliers won't bite.

Do you mind explaining all the steps from you ordered until you received the tools? I would like to compare with my experience from a different shop at Rakuten, when I get my goods.

 

[TjoFrasse]

Good stuff TjoFrasse. Glad to see the order went ok. I have a set of those pliers and I love mine. Good for pulling and twisting stuff where a normal pliers won't bite.

Do you mind explaining all the steps from you ordered until you received the tools? I would like to compare with my experience from a different shop at Rakuten, when I get my goods.

Nice to hear, I'm keen to try them out.

I started with putting together the shopping cart on Rakuten. Then I created an account and placed the order (4:th of january). At order placing I gave them my bank card details. The next work day morning (6:th) I had a mail that gave me the shipping cost. I replied to that mail that I accepted the cost and they should continue with the order. The next day I got a final confirmation mail (7:th). The 9:th I got a shipping notice with tracking number (DHL), and today it arrived (I wasn't home, but my fiancée signed for the package). With the package was a invoice for payment of the import costs.

So, in short they replied to everything overnight (due to the time difference) and shipping was fast by DHL.

 

[nanofrog]

With the package was a invoice for payment of the import costs.

Would you be willing to elaborate on this (how good/bad the cost & experience was)?

Thanks.

 

[bahcoswed]

My wishes come true Alot of bahco tools on later pages!!! I wish that more people should take more pics on their bahco for about a week ago! yippi

 

[Monte]

Sehr lecker!

The Bahco ratchets are the only ones not made in Europe, right? I need a 1/2" ratchet sometime and thinking of buying either Bahco or a used ratchet, like Acesa, and buy the sockets separately. I don't need Hazet or Stahwille, at most something for home, car, motorbike etc.

That´s right, the 2 socket sets are from Taiwan.
The rest of the tools are made in Sweden, Spain, France, Portugal and Germany.

Ebay - Sometimes new ratchets from Stahlwille e.g. sell for like 25.- to 30.- ...i think thats a fair price for a product which will last forever. Or look out for something rebadged like "Garant".

Salt bath hardening seems to produce exseptionally tough, fine grained steel, which is important for edge holding ability with cutting tools. Hirsch/Two Cherries/Kirschen chisels from Germany are salt hardened, as are the carbon steel chisels and plane blades from Lie-Nielsen tools in the USA. Estwing also seems to use salt hardening for their one piece forged hammers. Theirs-Issard and Dovo use lead bath hardening for their straight razors which seems to produce similar results. I'm not sure exactly why, but the results from companies that use salt hardening seem to be better than some of the companies that don't.

Thanks for the info ! Unfortunately companies usually don´t advertise how their exact processes are so customers can´t figure out if one product might be better than the other one. And just from looking at the product you can´t judge the quality. Same with power tools where you can´t look at the inside and also don´t know if the gears/spindle etc. is heat treated at all...

So, my order from Mutsuura (Rakuten) arrived.

Good looking tools !

 

[Trucky]

Is any of the Bahco line still made in Sweden?

COO Sweden is one of the few that I'm missing! That, and Britain. Perhaps there's something from Norway or Finland as well? I do appreciate my European tools

 

[Applesauce]

Nice to hear, I'm keen to try them out.

I started with putting together the shopping cart on Rakuten. Then I created an account and placed the order (4:th of january). At order placing I gave them my bank card details. The next work day morning (6:th) I had a mail that gave me the shipping cost. I replied to that mail that I accepted the cost and they should continue with the order. The next day I got a final confirmation mail (7:th). The 9:th I got a shipping notice with tracking number (DHL), and today it arrived (I wasn't home, but my fiancée signed for the package). With the package was a invoice for payment of the import costs.

So, in short they replied to everything overnight (due to the time difference) and shipping was fast by DHL.

Did you rely heavily on Google Translate for this process? I ordered two ratchets and a handful of adapters and wrenches a week or two ago, and received a few emails, most of which were self-explanatory (and in Engrish). ...then I got one totally in Japanese and assumed it was a shipping confirmation, albeit lacking a tracking number.

Now I'm not so sure. Google roughly translated some portion that said "please confirm," but didn't give anything else that suggested they needed confirmation (including no hyperlinks to that effect). I "confirmed" today anyway to the several different email addresses they provided - all of them Matsuura something or other - but am not sure they'll understand my English any better than I understood their Japanese...

(Edit: it seems all of this would be better off in the "Tools of Japan" thread, no? I don't consider Japan the New World, by any means, and their toolmaking tradition is probably just as old as Europe's... Where does one differentiate?)

 

[node105]

Arrivals this afternoon
the socket magnets looked like a good idea for that once in a while difficult fastener

The smooth plastic handles I have come to realise (using the larger 200 etc mm combination pliers) are far better in being easy to wipe clean, when disassembly is grimy and greasy. The more modern 'comfort grip' handles require solvent/CRC… by comparison. These are the small 15omm series, not available in comfort grip.

Variable marking methods on the Knipex

 

[node105]

and some Hazet to pad out existing size ranges

615 Doppel-Ringschlussel

612 Offener Doppel-Ringschlussel

 

[Roverbo]

what´s the difference between salt, water, oil, air ? The type of steel has something to do with the heat treatment methods afaik ?

my Bahco collection

You win again, Monte Nice Bahco tools! Regarding hardening, see below...

(petromax opener)

Why didn´t this come in the package, when I bought my Petromax? v

Is any of the Bahco line still made in Sweden?

COO Sweden is one of the few that I'm missing! That, and Britain. Perhaps there's something from Norway or Finland as well? I do appreciate my European tools

Sawblades, Handsaws and hacksaws are made in Sweden. Take a look at Montes video some posts back. Really gives the answers to many questions asked in here.

Regarding "Salt bath hardening" - yes, it´s the best proces for some kinds of steel alloys...but its not ´like "OK, so this is the best"....
Some alloys needs quenching and then tempering, others alloys are air hardening, some are best for oil hardening. Some types will soften when exposed to heat, some will harden; A saw for woodworking can be made of first mentioned, where a drill bit or a metal band saw needs the later (HSS steel gets harder when warmed up). It´s a subject for complex physics, for an introduction, I found this link interesting: http://www.engineersedge.com/heat_treat.htm. It´s very complex, and then again, here we are only talking alloyed tool steel. But then there is cast iron, duplex steel, sintered steel, powder steel....we must just put our trust in the tool makers!

 

[user.nr.1]

Bahco 1/4" ratchets

Belzer 6950 1/4" ratchet

 

[keef]

Hi, I came across this site while researching this nice little Hazet socket set I'm selling on ebay UK.

As you've been such a help in identifying it for me, I though I ought to say thanks.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261373450247?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649

 

[brit road garage]

I posted a elora and stahl while socket sets a while back anyone know when they were made? Thanks Henri


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[TjoFrasse]

Would you be willing to elaborate on this (how good/bad the cost & experience was)?

Thanks.

The import fees are entirely dependant on your country. Here in Sweden the import fee is 25% (the same as the sales tax would be if it was sold here) and a flat handling fee of 100 SEK. So for me the total was 307 SEK, which adds a lot to a order of 831 SEK. All this is added by the customs office, and there is nothing you can do to avoid it. It's just a part of buying from out of the EU. Your country probably has other rules though.

My wishes come true Alot of bahco tools on later pages!!! I wish that more people should take more pics on their bahco for about a week ago! yippi

I will try to remember to take some pictures of my stuff also.

Good looking tools !

Thanks!

Did you rely heavily on Google Translate for this process? I ordered two ratchets and a handful of adapters and wrenches a week or two ago, and received a few emails, most of which were self-explanatory (and in Engrish). ...then I got one totally in Japanese and assumed it was a shipping confirmation, albeit lacking a tracking number.

Now I'm not so sure. Google roughly translated some portion that said "please confirm," but didn't give anything else that suggested they needed confirmation (including no hyperlinks to that effect). I "confirmed" today anyway to the several different email addresses they provided - all of them Matsuura something or other - but am not sure they'll understand my English any better than I understood their Japanese...

(Edit: it seems all of this would be better off in the "Tools of Japan" thread, no? I don't consider Japan the New World, by any means, and their toolmaking tradition is probably just as old as Europe's... Where does one differentiate?)

I did not try Google translate for this. I don't really trust it. The first mail I received was from Rakuten in english and just info that a order had been placed. The second mail I received was from Mutsuura in english (with some Japanese mixed in) with order info and shipping cost. This is the only message I replied to, since that was what the Rakuten instructions said. The third mail was fully in Japanese, but I interpreted its contents as a final order confirmation. The fourth mail contained a lot of Japanese but also some info in english that it had been shipped by DHL and shipping number. I have also gotten some all Japanese mails from them that seem to be newsletters.

Perhaps I was a bit naive about the whole process, but in the end it worked out fine.

I think the word "confirm" can be a bit tricky, and can mean both "reply to" and just "check that everything is ok".

Perhaps we should create (or does it already exist?) a thread with Rakuten/Mutsuura order info. Might be good to have a reference for curious ones, instead of hiding it in a massive thread like this.

Arrivals this afternoon
the socket magnets looked like a good idea for that once in a while difficult fastener

How do you like the fastener holder magnets? I've been thinking about these versus the KS-tools ones (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001ECR8EE/?tag=atomicindustr-21) or a magnetic extension or the Koken Nut-grips.

 

[bahcoswed]

Tjofrasse! What was the price for the long box end wrenches? They look very nice and seems to has a super thin box end ring! I think you ****