Tools from the old world
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Tjofrasse! What was the price for the long box end wrenches? They look very nice and seems to has a super thin box end ring! I think you ****
Hello!
The final price for me getting them became around 750 SEK. The list price in the shop is much lower, but with shipping and customs added I'd say somewhere around that. Not cheap, but not really expensive either I'd say.
Thank you!
superautobacs
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Not to my knowledge, so that might be a good idea.
One thing to note is, with the KS-tools type, it has magnets around the perimeter;the Hazet has a centrally located magnet. IMO, the KS-tool type is more versatile as you can still use it in situations where the bolt threads past a nut. With the Hazet type, you are pretty much limited to using them on shallow sockets. That said, I much prefer Ko-ken's nut-grip sockets as they'll grip non-ferrous metals too.
BTW, nice purchases!
I got myself the 3-peice set of Asahi's midget combos as well:
Wow, that was a beautiful video!! Thanks for sharing.
A little Video about combination wrenches, but only in German........because my English is so bad ! 
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A little Video about combination wrenches, but only in German........because my English is so bad !
Klasse!
Bösen Kollegen...
Miskin
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A little Video about combination wrenches, but only in German........because my English is so bad !
I do not understand German, but at least I learned how to pronounce German brands...
I'll try to put some material together for one then I think.
Yes, I have noted that also. I wonder if the Hazet ones are stronger (since the magnets are bigger). Nut-grip are probably the best choice, but also the most expensive one. That's why I'm looking for some opinions.
Is the final size 12mm? Do they exist in other sizes?
That black handled one looks very much like some Sandvik drivers I have seen. Wonder if it is equipment that has moved the Czhez republic.
I took a comparison picture today of some 19mm wrenches:
From the top:
Gedore 2B
Matador
Bahco ratcheting flex
Facom 440
Bahco S-line
Gedore 7R
Gedore 2
Tone M05
Also completed the family with the 1/2" version:
Also, as promised, the Bahco collection. This is not everything though. I'm missing some stuff that are in the "carry around"-set. And also no of my older stuff, this is only thing that I have bought new.
Ratcheting sets.
Socket sets.
Loose socketry items.
Saws and pliers.
Files and a socket I missed in the previous pic.
Adjustables and misc.
Screwdrivers and ratcheting wrenches.
N.I.
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Is this any help?
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Someone posted this video a while ago (probably Monte).
They do look good.
dutch79
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Hi, I came across this site while researching this nice little Hazet socket set I'm selling on ebay UK.
As you've been such a help in identifying it for me, I though I ought to say thanks.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261373450247?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649
Pre-'65. Nice!
in case of chisels for example you often read "air hardened" so it seems certain products need certain steel and heat treatment methods. But like you said it´s quite complex and the deeper you look into steel and it´s heat treatment and processing methods the more complex it´s becoming.Regarding "Salt bath hardening" - yes, it´s the best proces for some kinds of steel alloys...but its not ´like "OK, so this is the best"....
Some alloys needs quenching and then tempering, others alloys are air hardening, some are best for oil hardening. Some types will soften when exposed to heat, some will harden; A saw for woodworking can be made of first mentioned, where a drill bit or a metal band saw needs the later (HSS steel gets harder when warmed up). It´s a subject for complex physics, for an introduction, I found this link interesting: http://www.engineersedge.com/heat_treat.htm. It´s very complex, and then again, here we are only talking alloyed tool steel. But then there is cast iron, duplex steel, sintered steel, powder steel....we must just put our trust in the tool makers!
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nice video !A little Video about combination wrenches, but only in German........because my English is so bad !
How often do you use the pass through socket set ? Is it worth having or can ratcheting wrenches get the job done too ?
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Klasse!
Bösen Kollegen...
Do you speak/understand German ?
@ N.I.
Thanks for the video, looks like the combination wrenches are Made in Italy !
@TjoFrasse
Very nice pictures and tools !
What camera do you use ?
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superautobacs
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Interesting...looks like a Felo, especially the all-black, one component handle. I know Narex is a Czech company (I have some of their chisels), but are they really Czech-made?
You don't want them to have too strong of a neodynium magnet as the insert might get pulled out of your socket, especially with the larger sizes?
I'm not sure how secure the inserts are held in place with the Hazets ones, but the type I have are real tight.Go for the nut-grips...many advantages to them over the inserts.
Yes, it's a 12mm. It's been 4 years and they haven't added any sizes. IMO, a 13mm will be a nice addition.
Saws and pliers.
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The bottom left diagonal cutting pliers looks good. Bahco has released a newer version which looks great and has a cool function:
The open/close spring now has it's own 'pocket', making it easier to switch between standard and spring-loaded use.
Beenman
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Socket sets.
Hi TjoFrasse,
Very nice collection - I really like the Bahco tools.
If you don't mind a question. By pure coincidence, I've recently been looking at getting either one of the two socket sets shown at the top of this photo. I've never used a "pass-through" type socket set (the one on the right), so I'm not sure how they work, or how robust they are. In my case it would be for light automotive use.
What are your experiences on using this "pass-through" set?
Thanks,
Beenman
Hello!
The final price for me getting them became around 750 SEK. The list price in the shop is much lower, but with shipping and customs added I'd say somewhere around that. Not cheap, but not really expensive either I'd say.
Thank you!
Yes, the Custom fees are just terrible...same here in Denmark. Beats some of the fun out of net-shopping...A little Video about combination wrenches, but only in German........because my English is so bad !
Super video, Duss, and think you´re spot-on. All the wrenches are "good enough" but some are just "Klasse"... I would send this video if a friend asked me for buying advise.
As I can read on the net, Narex is a part of the TTS gruppe (Festool). The plant started as a Siemens electric motor factory (pre-WW2 maybe?) Their website displays power tools made at their czech plant, sold under the Narex and Protools brands. Very nice. No signs of a in-house hand tool production, though. The black handle drivers looks exactly like my old Wisent drivers (made by Wiha for Bauhaus) to me...
But since they only print "Czech" on them, not "Made in.." they could be sourced anywhere...and Germany isn´t a bad choice then? (Wait...Wiha has facilities in Poland too...hmmm...).Old model. The store lay for many years.
As I can read on the net, Narex is a part of the TTS gruppe (Festool). The plant started as a Siemens electric motor factory (pre-WW2 maybe?) Their website displays power tools made at their czech plant, sold under the Narex and Protools brands. Very nice. No signs of a in-house hand tool production, though. The black handle drivers looks exactly like my old Wisent drivers (made by Wiha for Bauhaus) to me...
Previously, there was a lot of hand tools from "Narex". Previously, the country often written instead of writing "Made in". Screwdrivers bought on sale. Long lay on the counter.
But the truth I do not know.
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Applesauce
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Got my actual shipping confirmation today. All good!
A Rakutan thread might make sense. Maybe I'll start one when my stuff arrives...
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A little Video about combination wrenches, but only in German........because my English is so bad !
I'm sure your English is way better than all of our German......
Apart from Monte..... apparantly he's not too bad at German...
dutch79
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For the Hazet fans:
Restoration of a Hazet 100 from '52. I first welded the 8 holes (due to a silly guy in the past that made a custom lock with a pair of scissors
, repainted the exterior in Hazet blue, polished the chrome trim and door handles and currently the lock is at the lock smith for customisation of the broken lock + creation of a new key (which was missing).
Before:
After:
More pictures at TheSamba:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=579349
Restoration of a Hazet 100 from '52. I first welded the 8 holes (due to a silly guy in the past that made a custom lock with a pair of scissors
, repainted the exterior in Hazet blue, polished the chrome trim and door handles and currently the lock is at the lock smith for customisation of the broken lock + creation of a new key (which was missing).Before:
After:
More pictures at TheSamba:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=579349
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@TjoFrasse
Very nice pictures and tools !
What camera do you use ?
Thank you!
I have used my iPhone for all my pictures, currently a iPhone 5S.
You don't want them to have too strong of a neodynium magnet as the insert might get pulled out of your socket, especially with the larger sizes?
Go for the nut-grips...many advantages to them over the inserts.
That is a good point that the inserts might drop out also. I think you are right, a nut-grip set might be causing another Mutsuura order... We'll see.
Yes, as I'm doing much work on european cars I would like a 13mm.
That seems good. That construction looks like it might be a bit fragile though. I'm not really keen on the spring. It is nice to be able to choose, but it can can get a bit in the way. I generally use my pinkie finger to control the plier and do not need a opening spring.
See below.
Thanks!
Regarding Bahco S-line socket sets. I like them, the sockets and extensions are good hobbyist quality. Really happy with them for the price. The ratchets though... The standard pear head ratchets are usable at best. You might feel different about them though. The round head Bahcos are good though, and the newer slim S-lines I haven't tested. The ratchet in the pass-though set is ok also.
Regarding the pass-though set, there seems to be a discussed item here on GJ. I must say it is not used much. I have only used it on strut towers. I guess the correct tool to get is a set like http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Stossdaempfer-Hazet_4910/13_Stossdaempfer-Werkzeug_i3094_6464.htm but I just thought that was to much money. I paid around €40 for the Bahco set, and use it with long hex sockets or T-handles. There is also the even cheaper option of using a regular socket and spinning it with a plier instead of a ratchet, and thus being able to insert the hex.
I do not regret buying it. It has served well when it was needed. Do you need it? Probably not. Wrenches can cover 99% of all instances when you need something pass-though. Like so many tools that are outside of the "basic set", you can get by without it, but it has an advantage in some special cases. And also, it is also usable as a regular ratchet in a situation where the pass-though is not needed.
One thing though, get something that uses standards! This set is just a regular 19mm hex connection, so the ratchet can be replaced and all that. There are some sets which use a proprietary coupling between the ratchet and socket, I think that seems very unnecessary. Also, when it is standard size, you can use it with a torque wrench with a ring head.
If not the Bahco, perhaps consider this set: http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Proxxon/ca...-piece_special_set_13_to_27mm_i2520_42498.htm
Yep, I generally only shop within the EU for that reason.
If you create one, PM me a link.
I'm sure your English is way better than all of our German......
Apart from Monte..... apparantly he's not too bad at German...
I learned all my German from
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For the Hazet fans:
Restoration of a Hazet 100 from '52. I first welded the 8 holes (due to a silly guy in the past that made a custom lock with a pair of scissors
Amazing!
Will the inside only be cleaned (not repainted)?
dutch79
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I haven't decided yet. What do you think?
bart1
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I haven't decided yet. What do you think?
I think it looks freakin fantastic!
Laro13
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Nice work Dutch.
mac_intosh
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Hi, I came across this site while researching this nice little Hazet socket set I'm selling on ebay UK.
As you've been such a help in identifying it for me, I though I ought to say thanks.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261373450247?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649
It´s pre 1933!!! In this year a new ratchet came out. That tool case is to find in the 1930 catalog, but still in a wooden case. I would narrow it down to late 1931 or '32.
The photo is from a '33 case:
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dutch79
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Thanks Bart! I meant.. I haven't decided what to do with the inside of the box. It's still dirty and very hard to clean, so repainting the inside is also a possibility.
dutch79
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Wow. Now that is really old. 20 more years and it's antique.
mac_intosh
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Jepp and by the way, excellent job with your tool cabinet Dutch! 
Geil !
Thanks for your opinion ! I thought about a set, but it seems you only use it for struts (that´s what i thought i might use it too) but i think i pass and figure out other ways since i think i can do everything else with normal sockets and (ratcheting) wrenches. But maybe someone has another special application for such a set and can talk me into a set
Tools in action
I remember a wee bit from school, way back...
For the Hazet fans:
Restoration of a Hazet 100 from '52. I first welded the 8 holes (due to a silly guy in the past that made a custom lock with a pair of scissors
More pictures at TheSamba:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=579349
Fantastic job, that is really cool. I love the blue Hazet paint. How is the 5 drawer box coming along? Looks like that one needed a bit more help.
Beenman
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Thanks for the detailed reply.
I was not particularly after the pass through sockets, they just happened to be available from an online retailer within my price range. I wanted a compact socket set that I can carry with me to an off-site job (instead of having to pack my sockets every time - they hang on a board in my garage).
I have since seen the Bahco S240 set also available (image below), but a little above my price range. It is a 1/2" drive though so is more preferable. So its either that or the 3/8" S330 set.
There are other cheaper socket sets available here, but I really would not mind adding the Bahco brand to my garage.