Tools from the old world

[Monte]

Hi guys,

here is another short video, but this time in English.

I hope you can understand it !

buy Hazet !

holes drilled by Fein

Aske 636 ?

Edit: Thanks for the pics Monte. You must be recognized as a regular at these show by now.

haha yeah one of the Fein reps remembered me from the last fair The other rep probably will remember me now too since i asked him questions for almost half an hour













nice Bahco pliers production video:

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[N.I.]

Thought it was about time I picked up a compact 1/4" socket set to carry to a job instead of a random assortment in my pocket.

Choice was a Facom Nano of the Beta Mini.


I couldn't make my mind up, so I bought both.......









Verdict:

If I had to buy one I would buy the Facom. It more compact and is a more comfortable fit in my pocket. It is also handier to use, opens easier and the sockets are easier to remove.

Comparison:

Extensions- no noticable difference.

Universal joint - Facom is far better quality

Screwdriver Bits - The Beta seem to be to a tighter tolerance

Screwdriver handle - The Beta is grippier and a better fit, but the Facom is a nicer feel in my hand.

Ratchets - Beta is 40 tooth, Facom is 72 and more compact. The ratcheting action on both is really stiff - stiffer than some of my 3/8" ratchets which irritates me.

Sockets- I prefer the Beta. They are taller, are turned down, have thinner walls and are a better fit on fasteners. The drive end is slightly sloppy, but nothing to worry about.

 

[N.I.]

nice Bahco pliers production video:

As usual Monte, thanks for sharing these videos.

I love watching them and I am sure I am not the only one.


Do you think it would be worthwhile starting a separate thread to compile all these manufacturing videos in one place? I would rather watch a video of the product being produced, than read some marketing blurb .

 

[Monte]

I need to go to one of these tool shows with you!

you don´t have to travel that far only 2 hours and you can visit www.machexhibition.com in april

2" closed length and just over 4.5mm thick. Obviously doesn't lock as lock knives are illegal to have out in the public, here the good old, repressed United Kingdom.

same as here. In the red light district here it´s even forbidden to carry glass bottles with you ...

so I bought both.......

That´s always the best choice

btw. if you should need a 3rd set

As usual Monte, thanks for sharing these videos.

I love watching them and I am sure I am not the only one.

Do you think it would be worthwhile starting a separate thread to compile all these manufacturing videos in one place? I would rather watch a video of the product being produced, than read some marketing blurb .

there are a couple of threads where the "how it´s made" videos were posted and a couple of others from Hazet etc.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168071

some production vids:

USAG

Stahlwille

Gedore

Belzer

Beta

Hazet

http://www.hazet.de/de/home/mediathek/film-archiv/

Facom

Elora

Locking pliers:

power tools

drill bits

Fein promo items:

 

[brit road garage]

love the bahco video how much do those cutters retail at?

 

[dutch79]

Aske 636 ?

Yes and it's pretty old already.

 

[aussieracer]

Some eBay cheapie deliveries rolled in today.

Package from Korea included:
Smato combo snap ring pliers. I don't tackle snap rings and difficult ones often enough yet to justify dedicated pliers. Made in China
Smato lock or safety wire pliers - auto type. Casting finish isn't great, but they feel solid (more solid than another cheap pair I got years back). They'll do the job. Made in China
Anex fine point tweezers. Nice quality....made in Japan.

Package from UK was Neilsen 11 piece aluminium bearing driver set. Quality seems okay. Time will tell once put into use. Cheap as though. No COO, but probably China.

I have more eBay goodness on the way, as I continue build out my tools. I do want quality stuff where I can, but as you can tell happy to save where my usage doesn't require.

 

[Dave455]

I couldn't make my mind up, so I bought both.......

That's the GJ way of doing things! Respect!

I've already got some decent 1/4 drive tools, but I'm still tempted by one of these compact sets! There's a lot of capability there for something that's still pocket size!

I was leaning towards the Hazet version, but didn't even know about the Beta!

 

[bart1]

Hi guys,

here is another short video, but this time in English.

I hope you can understand it !

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Thanks got the video. Your English is great. This made me laugh: "Extreme wobble! Like a rattlesnake!"

 

[Dave455]

2" closed length and just over 4.5mm thick. Obviously doesn't lock as lock knives are illegal to have out in the public, here the good old, repressed United Kingdom.

Bear in mind that it's only an offence to have a knife (other than a readily folding knife with a cutting edge less than 3 inches) in a public place WITHOUT GOOD REASON.

A lock knife, or even a fixed blade, won't be a problem where you are working!

 

[CaseyR89]

Anybody know what year Hazet tools STARTED marking wrenches w. germany instead of just germany? Presumably really early 1950s but I cant find any info on it.

 

[dutch79]

I don't think that early. Maybe when they also changed the 'a' to 'A', but I'm not sure... Maybe Mac_Intosh knows. He's into the history of Hazet

 

[mac_intosh]

Well, I had to look it up myself, but it had something to do with the differentiation between the two german states back in the cold war times.

The german federal court discussed this problem in 1974. Since around then and at the latest till 1990 the marking "Made in W.-Germany" was used.

I don´t know if it was required by law, but I think the companies did it willingly to define them from the communistic "German Democratic Republic".

At which point HAZET marked their tools with special lettering I can´t tell. Maybe in the course of ongoing renewal of the forging/labeling tools. I looked through high end scans of the old catalogs, but it was not until 1979 when the "W.-Germany" marking started.

That´s no real proof, because they often used the pictures in a new catalog again, but nevertheless a note.

 

[user.nr.1]

Wera in disguise...

 

[Monte]

love the bahco video how much do those cutters retail at?

some prices:
mechanics pliers in chrome:
http://www.bahco-werkzeuge.de/categories/809_1899_1898.html
mechanics pliers in black oxide:
http://www.bahco-werkzeuge.de/categories/809_810_1886.html
Electricians pliers in chrome:
http://www.bahco-werkzeuge.de/categories/809_1899_836.html
Electricians pliers in black oxide:
http://www.bahco-werkzeuge.de/categories/809_810_833.html

Yes and it's pretty old already.

oldie but goodie

Wera in disguise...

looks better than the original













Found this Wiha hex key stand for only 2,50 at a dealer

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

Hello guys,

I hope you can help me out.
Where is the difference between Walter Schröder and Robert Schröder (now part of Peddinghaus)?
Both have the same style screwdrivers and PHZ bits.

 

[Alfajuj]

I have some Robert Schroeder screwdrivers and hex keys.
As far as I know, they are the manufacturer of the screwdrivers. (they are excellent, by the way)

It appears that the Walter Schroeder company makes the plastic handles for the screwdrivers?

 

[aussieracer]

Some more eBay goodies.

This time unfortunately it involves some disappointment. I'd been looking long nose locking pliers that were a step up from Irwin/Visegrip but not crazy Gedore prices. Thought I'd try Britool, but the quality at the jaw end is woeful. The gap at the end is approx 1mm when the jaws are firmly shut. I have let the seller know, so hopefully I'll get a refund or replacement to restore my faith. I was lead to believe Britool was going to be a safe bet on quality? Was I wrong?

This same order included a Draper 17mm male hex 3/8" drain plug key. I already had one of these in my other tool chest, and quality is similar (okay).

Also got some Koken torx sockets and 1/2" swivel joint. Posted info on the Tools of Japan thread.

 

[dutch79]

I replaced the sliding rails of a drawer in my Hazet Assistent 168N by new ones:



Stuff needed to get the job done: Bosch grinder, Skandia 4mm punch, Gesipa rivet pliers and rivets 4mm.

More details here: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7035174#7035174

 

[CaseyR89]

I don't think that early. Maybe when they also changed the 'a' to 'A', but I'm not sure... Maybe Mac_Intosh knows. He's into the history of Hazet

Thanks! Ive seen a handful of tools marked Germany with the lower case a (have one here on my desk actually) so must've been later than that.

Well, I had to look it up myself, but it had something to do with the differentiation between the two german states back in the cold war times.

The german federal court discussed this problem in 1974. Since around then and at the latest till 1990 the marking "Made in W.-Germany" was used.

I don´t know if it was required by law, but I think the companies did it willingly to define them from the communistic "German Democratic Republic".

At which point HAZET marked their tools with special lettering I can´t tell. Maybe in the course of ongoing renewal of the forging/labeling tools. I looked through high end scans of the old catalogs, but it was not until 1979 when the "W.-Germany" marking started.

That´s no real proof, because they often used the pictures in a new catalog again, but nevertheless a note.

Gotcha. Thanks for the info! I was hoping anything with a lower case "azel" and germany marking meant it was from before the inception of West Germany, but it looks like that is not the case.

 

[mac_intosh]

You´re welcome!

The small "a" tools are from before 1965 by the way .

 

[CaseyR89]

You´re welcome!

The small "a" tools are from before 1965 by the way .

Gotcha. I guess I'll share why I'm interested.

I picked up this Hazet 450 DOE wrench in great shape. It's a 1" and 1-1/8" with the lower case a and the L shaped underline, marked germany. It seems pretty unusual to find a Hazet piece this old in an imperial size and I'm trying to figure out it's a rare treasure or totally worthless

Thanks for your help!

 

[mac_intosh]

You may wonder how high these are traded - for example at eBay...

 

[Coventry]

Some more eBay goodies.

This time unfortunately it involves some disappointment. I'd been looking long nose locking pliers that were a step up from Irwin/Visegrip but not crazy Gedore prices. Thought I'd try Britool, but the quality at the jaw end is woeful. The gap at the end is approx 1mm when the jaws are firmly shut. I have let the seller know, so hopefully I'll get a refund or replacement to restore my faith. I was lead to believe Britool was going to be a safe bet on quality? Was I wrong?

The old Britool had 'Made in England' on it and is very good but you have the 'Expert' range and it's made elsewhere. It doesn't look to even have Britool stamped on it, which is common for the Expert range: the sockets are the same.

In summary, those vice grips are Britool in name only.

 

[Monte]

Hello guys,

I hope you can help me out.
Where is the difference between Walter Schröder and Robert Schröder (now part of Peddinghaus)?
Both have the same style screwdrivers and PHZ bits.

Walter Schröder manufactures mechanics and electronic screwdrivers (formerly "Gebra" brand). They also make the screwdrivers for Robert Schröder and others (Bernstein, Connex, Elora...). Robert Schröder make ratcheting screwdrivers, ratcheting tap holders and screw extractors.

I'd been looking long nose locking pliers that were a step up from Irwin/Visegrip but not crazy Gedore prices.

do you can get "Grip-On" pliers locally ?












Bosch GWB 10 RE angle drill

 

[knightmasks]

My new toy

 

[flyingkite]

Re: Back in USSR - tools from the Soviet Union

3 at once?

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Very old post (page 153), but thanks for this picture. Inspires me to make one myself for al the HSS drills.

dutch79,

Good like with the Drill project.

FYI,

The last vertical row is for the tap drills, i.e. 2.9mm drill for the M3.5 tap, 3.3mm drill for the M4 tap and so on.

METRIC THREAD - Drill & Tap Chart

 

[dutch79]

I already posted a few pages ago:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3681851&postcount=18119
It's a simpler version than yours, but it already helped with. Much faster than grabbing in a bucket with several sizes or opening/closing different drill containers.

 

[aussieracer]

The old Britool had 'Made in England' on it and is very good but you have the 'Expert' range and it's made elsewhere. It doesn't look to even have Britool stamped on it, which is common for the Expert range: the sockets are the same.

In summary, those vice grips are Britool in name only.

Bag it came in says "Made in China". So lesson learnt. Luckily the seller is helping sort out. Doesn't always happen.

do you can get "Grip-On" pliers locally ?

Is that Knipex? If so, yes.

 

[superautobacs]

Is that Knipex? If so, yes.

Nope.
http://www.grip-on.com/
All made in Spain, AFAIK.


Australian distributor:
ENDEAVOUR TOOLS
50 Jellico Drive
Scoresby Vic 3179
TEL: +61 (3) 9753 3800
[email protected]
http://www.endeavourtools.com.au/

 

[aussieracer]

Thanks superautobacs

Love this forum. Wallet doesn't, although it is learning to like

 

[MadMeier]

Heyho! Here some screwdrivers from Walter Schröder

 

[N.I.]

btw. if you should need a 3rd set

Don't tempt me - I already have the standard Hazet set, a Stahlwille set, a wera set, and now the Facom and Beta sets.

My everyday use set is an Expert set, which is holding up fine, especially considering it gets use with an impact driver.

That's the GJ way of doing things! Respect!

I've already got some decent 1/4 drive tools, but I'm still tempted by one of these compact sets! There's a lot of capability there for something that's still pocket size!

I was leaning towards the Hazet version, but didn't even know about the Beta!

I would definitely recommend the Facom over the Beta. Don't know how the compact Hazet stacks up, but their sockets are on a completely different level quality wise. Not overly fussed about the triangular shaped screwdriver, but it does the job.

Bear in mind that it's only an offence to have a knife (other than a readily folding knife with a cutting edge less than 3 inches) in a public place WITHOUT GOOD REASON.

A lock knife, or even a fixed blade, won't be a problem where you are working!

I always have a locking knife when working. Personally I think the law is the wrong way round. Folding knives that do not lock should be banned. ****** dangerous things!

The Spyderco Honeybee is the size of a house key, so is not intrusive and means you always have a sharp blade to hand.

there are a couple of threads where the "how it´s made" videos were posted and a couple of others from Hazet etc.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168071

some production vids:

Thanks Monte, thats a good start. When I get some more free time I will add to it. There are loads more.

 

[Monte]

Heyho! Here some screwdrivers from Walter Schröder

nice ! Where did you get them ?

Don't tempt me - I already have the standard Hazet set, a Stahlwille set, a wera set, and now the Facom and Beta sets.

ok ok i think you´re officially GJ equipped














Stanley FatMax saw



"Made in France"

 

[MadMeier]

@monte

I got them from hagebau for 18.99Euro!

and a 2nd set torx screwdrivers

 

[CanUK]

Hi guys,

here is another short video, but this time in English.

I hope you can understand it !

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This was interesting so it inspired me to check mine:

- 2 sets of "Asian" 1/4" dr Facom sockets
- 2 x round head Facom R.161 ratchets
- 1 x flex head Facom R.158A ratchet
- 2 x pear head Facom RL.161 ratchets
- 2 x Facom R.263C 1/4" dr handle (from the Nano kits)

Results: The drive handles rattle a bit. The pear-heads very slightly (when shaked vigorously), and the round heads are totally silent.

I recall bringing a couple of 3/8" Facom sets over to Alx a while back to compare fit/finish (with his Hazet) and the Facom was at least on par with negligible wobble on any of them (I don't want to speak for him, but I believe he was surprised particularly in the case if the Taiwanese pear-head Facom).

Maybe you got a slightly dodgy set, or maybe I've been very lucky and got a lot of really good sets?

Unfortunately the only France-marked Facom sockets I have are an old 1/2" AF set, so I can't compare those. I also don't have a French 1/4" ratchet (R.151) as that might be nice to try with the Asian sockets as well.

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

I have some Robert Schroeder screwdrivers and hex keys.
As far as I know, they are the manufacturer of the screwdrivers. (they are excellent, by the way)

It appears that the Walter Schroeder company makes the plastic handles for the screwdrivers?

Walter Schröder manufactures mechanics and electronic screwdrivers (formerly "Gebra" brand). They also make the screwdrivers for Robert Schröder and others (Bernstein, Connex, Elora...). Robert Schröder make ratcheting screwdrivers, ratcheting tap holders and screw extractors.

Thanks guys.
I thought they were brothers like Gedore and Dowidat.

 

[MadMeier]

Some Hazet stuff

Hazet 600N combination wrenches


Hazet 450N open end wrenches


Hazet 1/4 Socket set SmartCase


I like that

 

[dutch79]

Like it too!

 

[Monte]

@monte
I got them from hagebau for 18.99Euro!

and a 2nd set torx screwdrivers

at out Hagebau they only sell "Connex" tools

Thanks guys.
I thought they were brothers like Gedore and Dowidat.

i dunno if there are family connections but the name Schröder is quite common i think














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