dutch79
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Pretty expensive stuff 
Tools from the old world
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user.nr.1
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My almost brand new Belzer mobil toolcart, took me almost a year to find a reasonable priced one.
Older than 1988, before Bahco acquisitioned Belzer.
Older than 1988, before Bahco acquisitioned Belzer.
dutch79
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Seems like new! Nice purchase.
the vacuum brush for €15.- is ok i thinkPretty expensive stuff
beautiful !!
new tools for 2014:
compact Metabo 18 volt impact wrench with 400NM, Brushless motor and adjustable torque setting (12 settings)
18 volt impact wrench with 600NM. Also available with cord
and some nice new flashlights in 10,8 and 14,4/18 Volt
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And some new boxes from Fein...:
Today's arrivals...
First, and most importantly thanks to the exceptional generosity of forum member Van Steele, I have a new grinder project. This is the baby brother to my Elliott Selecta 6" and 7" grinders:
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And secondly my recent £13 ebay Belzer puller:
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Just stamped Belzer Germany - no "made in" so where it's actually from is anybody's guess, but it looks and feels sturdy in any case:
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First, and most importantly thanks to the exceptional generosity of forum member Van Steele, I have a new grinder project. This is the baby brother to my Elliott Selecta 6" and 7" grinders:
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And secondly my recent £13 ebay Belzer puller:
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Just stamped Belzer Germany - no "made in" so where it's actually from is anybody's guess, but it looks and feels sturdy in any case:
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bart1
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Monte, as follow up from another thread, here is my current Assistent organization:
And a couple Hazet bitholders and bit selection:
And finally some big boys (Hazet 36mm combo and Walter 46/50mm open end)
And a couple Hazet bitholders and bit selection:
And finally some big boys (Hazet 36mm combo and Walter 46/50mm open end)
very nice !! Love the black + blue !
btw. for people looking for a cheaper version of slotted PB Swiss screwdrivers:
SW-Stahl is offering them now: http://www.tool-is.com/product/310604
Here is a selection of hazet relics of different varieties, a couple of early 450 DOE wrenches and an unusual DOE 14/15mm with both ends offset the same amount. Also a couple of V-10 DOE's and a ROBUR DOE 10/11mm. Does anyone know anything about the Robur?
aussieracer
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Thought it was about time I picked up a compact 1/4" socket set to carry to a job instead of a random assortment in my pocket.
Choice was a Facom Nano of the Beta Mini.
I couldn't make my mind up, so I bought both.......
Verdict:
If I had to buy one I would buy the Facom. It more compact and is a more comfortable fit in my pocket. It is also handier to use, opens easier and the sockets are easier to remove.
Comparison:
Extensions- no noticable difference.
Universal joint - Facom is far better quality
Screwdriver Bits - The Beta seem to be to a tighter tolerance
Screwdriver handle - The Beta is grippier and a better fit, but the Facom is a nicer feel in my hand.
Ratchets - Beta is 40 tooth, Facom is 72 and more compact. The ratcheting action on both is really stiff - stiffer than some of my 3/8" ratchets which irritates me.
Sockets- I prefer the Beta. They are taller, are turned down, have thinner walls and are a better fit on fasteners. The drive end is slightly sloppy, but nothing to worry about.
I got bitten by this post as it caused an itch I couldn't stop scratching. I kept hitting up eBay search, but couldn't find anything delivered to my door in Australia for less than AU$190 (≈ €120), so imagine my surprise when my big box hardware (Bunnings) had the Sidchrome Nano on special for AU$30!!! (≈ €19 / £15) Made in Taiwan, but as part of the same Stanley Group as Facom, it appears to be in comparison to the pictures a 99% the same as the Facom save for the different branding.
Tempted to buy what the store has left and flog it off on eBay! Can't find it on the store's website, so not sure why my local store has stock and so cheap.
Anyway my pictures:
In the packet
Yeap, looks the same on the inside
And on the outside
Well that deserves a "You ****!" - well done
I would definitely buy more. That's the new version (quick release) of the pear-head ratchet as well. They've just started offering that here. And to think my mother in law has only just visited from Perth - where was this information a month ago!?
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dutch79
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Nice! Are you going to restore/repaint it?
N.I.
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I got bitten by this post as it caused an itch I couldn't stop scratching. I kept hitting up eBay search, but couldn't find anything delivered to my door in Australia for less than AU$190 (≈ €120), so imagine my surprise when my big box hardware (Bunnings) had the Sidchrome Nano on special for AU$30!!! (≈ €19 / £15) Made in Taiwan, but as part of the same Stanley Group as Facom, it appears to be in comparison to the pictures a 99% the same as the Facom save for the different branding.
Tempted to buy what the store has left and flog it off on eBay! Can't find it on the store's website, so not sure why my local store has stock and so cheap.
Anyway my pictures:
Yeap, looks the same on the inside
Nicely done. One for your work, one for home, one for your car, and a spare?
The only real difference I can see is in some of the screwdriver bits.
What is your verdict on the 1/4 ratchet?
That's the plan, although I'm not yet sure whether to stick with red or reseda green to match the other 2. I'm thinking red though.
On the other hand, painting means losing the lovely Made in England decal, so a small part of me thinks just clean and refurbish. It's missing quite a lot of paint though, so maybe I can find a red that's close and just mask off the decal.
http://www.roburitaly.com/robur/gruppo_beta/index_en.html
awesome ! For that price i would pick up one too
Some DIN 894 and DIN 895 wrenches:
Thanks for the link Monte. For some reason I thought it was so old and uncommon it wouldn't show up on a google search. I posted at about 2 am and went to bed right after so maybe I was just too tired to do my own search but thanks again Monte, you do an amazing job hosting this thread! *****
Nephronracing
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Monte,
I am hoping you will check your German tool review websites for any reviews of manual impact drivers or, preferably manual impact wrenches. If possible post a link to the review(s).
I did see your Koken recommendation on the 'best manual impact driver' thread but I'd really prefer one of the European manufacturers.
Many thanks in advance.
PS: I caught the Euro-tool-bug from all your info here Monte!
I am hoping you will check your German tool review websites for any reviews of manual impact drivers or, preferably manual impact wrenches. If possible post a link to the review(s).
I did see your Koken recommendation on the 'best manual impact driver' thread but I'd really prefer one of the European manufacturers.
Many thanks in advance.
PS: I caught the Euro-tool-bug from all your info here Monte!
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That is really interesting, do you have any other pictures of how the sides work? It looks like there are panels that slide up to cover the drawers? When it is open can the drawers be opened on both sides? How do you access the bottom compartment? I searched google and couldn't seem to find any other info on that. Very interesting setup.
user.nr.1
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That is really interesting, do you have any other pictures of how the sides work? It looks like there are panels that slide up to cover the drawers? When it is open can the drawers be opened on both sides? How do you access the bottom compartment? I searched google and couldn't seem to find any other info on that. Very interesting setup.
There are slides on both sides of cart that can be opened by a release button on the top of each side.
You can pull out the drawers to both sides, about 2/3 of them slide out.
To access the lower compartment just push the lower slide to the other side.
A key on the back locks both sides.
user.nr.1
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New tools, at least to me.
Knipex 85 51 250 A
Spring Hose Clamp Pliers
More infos and pictures here:
Link to Knipex website
Hazet 863 1/4" ratchet, on of the smoothest ratchets I laid my hands on.
Knipex 85 51 250 A
Spring Hose Clamp Pliers
More infos and pictures here:
Link to Knipex website
Hazet 863 1/4" ratchet, on of the smoothest ratchets I laid my hands on.
dutch79
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Color is up to you, but when repainting I would mask it yes.
I also had to do that with my last project ('52 Hazet wall toolbox):
Krokodil
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Those new Knipex hose clamp pliers looks awesome!
Torque Matters
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Those are some nice pliers.
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New tools, at least to me.
Knipex 85 51 250 A
Spring Hose Clamp Pliers
More infos and pictures here:
Link to Knipex website
Hazet 863 1/4" ratchet, on of the smoothest ratchets I laid my hands on.
Nice Pliers
It's my Hazet Spring Hose Clamp Pliers
dutch79
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Well, yes it was pretty accurate and time consuming to mask and cut out all 13 letters + logo, but the result was great
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you´re welcome
There are a couple of threads about impact drivers in several car/motorcycle forums.
http://www.schwalbennest.de/simson/kaufberatung-hand-schlagschrauber-100213.html
http://www.vr6forum.eu/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=21813
http://www.svrider.de/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=80166
Most people seem to have a cheap one from Louis for example:
http://www.louis.de/_50b24beaf45e856869bd146125f1151225/index.php?topic=artnr&artnr=10003903
http://www.louis.de/_50b24beaf45e856869bd146125f1151225/index.php?topic=artnr&artnr=10003292
Wera and Gedore seem to make their own. Stahlwille seems to sell the Wera version, Hazet and Wiha seems to sell a Koken tool. Many companies seem to sell Koken impact drivers or copies of it.
Wera:
Gedore
misc. shop supplies:
Bondo/Body putty from Carlofon www.carlofon.de
180mm cutting disc from Klingspor www.klingspor.de
Anti spatter spray for welding from Abicor Binzel and OPN
www.binzel-abicor.com www.opn-chemie.de
Norton sandpaper www.Norton.eu
Here are the Facom Overland and the Gedore S1000 tool kits. Both are intended for carry in an automobile.
The cases (Facom on left, Gedore on right).
The Gedore S1000 is 47 pieces.
One of the pieces is this knife. The knife has considerable play at the hinge, and is really not of the usual Gedore quality.
Another one of the 47 pieces is this clear box. Does anyone know what this is for?
Sockets, wrenches, pliers, etc.
The Facom Overland is 49 pieces and the case has straps that allow it to be somewhat propped open like so.
Inside the Facom.
Some of the Facom tools are labeled 'France'.
Other Facom tools in the Overland have no country of origin label.
Notice the gauge on the Facom adjustable wrench.
Here are the straps on the underside of the Facom case that can be adjusted to keep the case propped open (as shown above).
I just got both of these and have not had a chance to use them. They retail for a bit under $800 USD if one shops around. Note that the Gedore shown here is the S1000 which includes the hard case. The Gedore 1000 (no 'S') does not include the hard case. I am not partial to either the Gedore or the Facom kits. I intend to put one in my car and the other in my wife's.
Does anyone have info on the country of origin for the tools in these kits? (besides the tools labeled)
Thanks in advance.
The cases (Facom on left, Gedore on right).
The Gedore S1000 is 47 pieces.
One of the pieces is this knife. The knife has considerable play at the hinge, and is really not of the usual Gedore quality.
Another one of the 47 pieces is this clear box. Does anyone know what this is for?
Sockets, wrenches, pliers, etc.
The Facom Overland is 49 pieces and the case has straps that allow it to be somewhat propped open like so.
Inside the Facom.
Some of the Facom tools are labeled 'France'.
Other Facom tools in the Overland have no country of origin label.
Notice the gauge on the Facom adjustable wrench.
Here are the straps on the underside of the Facom case that can be adjusted to keep the case propped open (as shown above).
I just got both of these and have not had a chance to use them. They retail for a bit under $800 USD if one shops around. Note that the Gedore shown here is the S1000 which includes the hard case. The Gedore 1000 (no 'S') does not include the hard case. I am not partial to either the Gedore or the Facom kits. I intend to put one in my car and the other in my wife's.
Does anyone have info on the country of origin for the tools in these kits? (besides the tools labeled)
Thanks in advance.
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very nice tool sets !!
The Gedore sockets and wrenches are made in Germany, the hammer too, the pliers Austria and the hex keys too (afaik). The screwdrivers are from Slovenia.
I don´t know the coo of the plastic box
But i think you can store some spare screws or nuts or electric tape inside etc. The knife is probably from asia.The Facom drivers + pliers are from France, the adjustable wrench from China iirc, the punches are made by Racodon in France. The series 44 wrenches and sockets are from Taiwan iirc, the ratchet from Italy. The feeler gauge is imported too i guess. The hammer might be from Taiwan. The hammers with the black rubber handles are from Taiwan at least. Wire brush ? I dunno.
Thank you Monte for the info on the manual impact drivers/wrenches. The Facom impact driver claims 400NM of torque which is two to four times what others claim, and it sells for about $250 USD, including a dozen or so bits. The Stahlwille, with 120NM, cost $500 - 800 USD! I was hoping that your review sites had some objective insight into the matter. I'd like to be able to loosen frozen lug nuts and the like (besides screws) so I'd prefer a 1/2 inch drive or equivalent.
Thanks also Monte for the country of origin info on the Facom Overland and Gedore S1000 tool kits. Now that I look at the kits a bit closer I am favoring the Gedore for the more robust components. Both kits were essentially the same price. Either way, this is my first foray into tool **** and I rather enjoyed it!
Bahcoswed, I really meant to say 'scale' on the adjustable wrench. The photo shows 15mm. I personally have never seen a scale on a adjustable wrench before, but I am no tool-aficionado like most folks here.
Thanks also Monte for the country of origin info on the Facom Overland and Gedore S1000 tool kits. Now that I look at the kits a bit closer I am favoring the Gedore for the more robust components. Both kits were essentially the same price. Either way, this is my first foray into tool **** and I rather enjoyed it!
Bahcoswed, I really meant to say 'scale' on the adjustable wrench. The photo shows 15mm. I personally have never seen a scale on a adjustable wrench before, but I am no tool-aficionado like most folks here.
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bart1
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very nice tool sets !!
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I don´t know the coo of the plastic box
Indeed they are. I think I like the gedore better if he case fits.
Fuses or relays would be my first choice, as well as fasteners.
Krokodil
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The gedore plastic box looks like a business card holder.
My Harbor Freight models were about $9. How good can a hand impact really be?
Lug nuts, it would be better to use an electric or air impact wrench. This one's forte is screws, because when you slam it with the hammer not only does it turn the screw but the simultaneous downward force keeps it from stripping. That's its thing. I think the hammer might just knock the stud out of the wheel. I know for sure the electric or air ones would be better for that. But not for screws.
Cool, thanks for the additional pics. That is a really slick setup, both in function and aesthetics.
