Tools from the old world

[aussieracer]

Well that deserves a "You ****!" - well done

I would definitely buy more. That's the new version (quick release) of the pear-head ratchet as well. They've just started offering that here. And to think my mother in law has only just visited from Perth - where was this information a month ago!?

Thanks I guess Bunnings is Australia wide, but I'm based in Melbourne so not sure if your mother-in-law would have found. Interestingly $30 was the sale price, with $45 the regular price. Still a bargain.

I plan to buy more. Hopefully tomorrow.

Nicely done. One for your work, one for home, one for your car, and a spare?

The only real difference I can see is in some of the screwdriver bits.

What is your verdict on the 1/4 ratchet?

Now I've looked at your pics closely, you are right about bits being different around the shanks.

Ratchet has a nice feel. Plenty fine toothed. I always prefer a quick release head. Not the smoothest, but for $30 alone it would be about right. With all the other bits - amazing value.

Better pics of quick release/head

 

[2oolhound]

My Harbor Freight models were about $9. How good can a hand impact really be?

In the 70's I had 2 room mates who were motorcycle mechanics who used hand impacts daily. I've seen lots of the cheap ones blown apart which happened every month or so. The back of the handle cracks in a circle where the hammer hits it or they come apart just at the base of the handle before the wedge mechanism. The harbor frieght ones look like toys (I own a few) compared to my snap-ons and my old Wassel. Snappys 3/8 or 1/2 are only $65 for the drivers but extensive kits with lots of quality hardened bits run up to $670 so those prices seem in league with the pro stuff over here.

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/tools.asp?tool=all&Group_ID=674820&store=snapon-store

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...p_ID=674947&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog#Li

Sorry to pollute this thread with non old world tool links but I feel this is an important comparison.

 

[SJShaw672]

In the 70's I had 2 room mates who were motorcycle mechanics who used hand impacts daily. I've seen lots of the cheap ones blown apart which happened every month or so. The back of the handle cracks in a circle where the hammer hits it or they come apart just at the base of the handle before the wedge mechanism. The harbor frieght ones look like toys (I own a few) compared to my snap-ons and my old Wassel. Snappys 3/8 or 1/2 are only $65 for the drivers but extensive kits with lots of quality hardened bits run up to $670 so those prices seem in league with the pro stuff over here.

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/tools.asp?tool=all&Group_ID=674820&store=snapon-store

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...p_ID=674947&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog#Li

Sorry to pollute this thread with non old world tool links but I feel this is an important comparison.

I have a Teng Tools one that works well and has lasted - it cost me about £25!

 

[Forzato]

...I think the hammer might just knock the stud out of the wheel. I know for sure the electric or air ones would be better...

Thanks Westly, I'm not sure how a stud could come out of the wheel using a manual impact tool (could you explain?). For me, one of the reasons to get the manual impact tool is for times when air/electric is not available.

...Snappys 3/8 or 1/2 are only $65 for the drivers but extensive kits with lots of quality hardened bits run up to $670 so those prices seem in league with the pro stuff over here.

Sorry to pollute this thread with non old world tool links but I feel this is an important comparison.

Excellent point 2oolhound, thank you. Good that you pointed out the Snap-on alternative. I assume they have a metric version of the kit which may be what I get. I am definitely not anti-snappy, just anti-crappy. My current manual impact driver needs replacement and I need to minimize the possibility of tool failure.

I have a Teng Tools one that works well and has lasted - it cost me about £25!

Thank you kindly SJShaw. I'm glad the Teng Tools driver has worked well for you.

 

[Forzato]

My earlier post was missing a few photos of the Facom Overland tool kit. Here they are.


Another side of the Facom kit.

Bits for the driver.

Other components of the kit.

The Facom 'multigrip pliers'. Where I'm from we'd call these 'Channel-locks' but I realize this is incorrect. Note that these pliers have a button to adjust the jaws. First photo shows the button released, the second the button is depressed.

 

[morregerbert]

facom MT.J1

 

[Forzato]

Stahlwille wrenches and pliers.

 

[Forzato]

Facom ratcheting hinged combination wrenches. Hinge on these is consistent and firm (not too loose). The three small attachments pictured allow the use of sockets and bits in very tight spots. The 1/2" socket attachment fits on the 19mm wrench, and the 1/4" socket attachment fits on the 10mm wrench. These have proven to be very useful to me. Quality seems good so far. I only wish the ratcheting mechanism was rebuildable like on some of the Gedores. Torque wrenches cover 5-25 NM, and 20-100 NM. For the small torque wrench I purchased an additional head and knob (same as used on the big torque wrench).

 

[Bhae]

 

[dutch79]

@Forzato: that knob on a torque wrench is great. I've never seen that, but it seems very useful.

 

[upgrading]

Any clue who makes that ?
Wilde ?

 

[Monte]

The Facom impact driver that claims 400NM. Look like a re-brand? Country of origin?

i wonder if the impact really can generate 400 NM...
sorry i don´t know about coo. But Ultimategarage carries them maybe he knows.















Finally received the other Koken bit holder for short bits: #14142-D6.3


14142-F6.3 for long bits and 14142-D6.3 for short bits


14142-D6.3 takes long bits too though:

 

[superautobacs]

WOW. Beautiful, both toolbox and picture itself!!

The Facom 'multigrip pliers'. Where I'm from we'd call these 'Channel-locks' but I realize this is incorrect. Note that these pliers have a button to adjust the jaws. First photo shows the button released, the second the button is depressed.

I'm a bit confused with the second picture. I thought these adjustable push-button types would all be spring loaded, but the second picture shows the button depressed on its own.

BTW, welcome to the world of fine tools, and thank you for all the fine photos.

Any clue who makes that ?
Wilde ?

My guess is Bost, in France. There should be 'France' stamped on the handle itself. SK, when they were part of Stanley, had the same made-in-France screwdrivers, pry bars, etc.

Finally received the other Koken bit holder for short bits:

Nice!

 

[Forzato]

@Forzato: that knob on a torque wrench is great. I've never seen that, but it seems very useful.

I agree. I feel it really helps to get an accurate torque. The knob rotates freely and assists in proper positioning of the torque wrench.

i wonder if the impact really can generate 400 NM...

I am doubtful. Perhaps it is a typo, or merely inflated for marketing.

I'm a bit confused with the second picture. I thought these adjustable push-button types would all be spring loaded, but the second picture shows the button depressed on its own. BTW, welcome to the world of fine tools, and thank you for all the fine photos. [...] There should be 'France' stamped on the handle itself. SK, when they were part of Stanley, had the same made-in-France screwdrivers, pry bars, etc.

Thanks for the welcome and kind words. The button on the pliers merely stuck momentarily as I was trying to figure how to photograph them. Not a defect - just a bit of pressure from the handle holding the button down. It is spring loaded as you said. Also, I double checked that pry bar and there is definitely no country of origin label anywhere on it.

 

[Forzato]

Stahlwille baby wrenches and Facom Torx and Allen 1/2" sockets.


Stahlwille.
















Facom Torx/Allen sockets.

 

[dutch79]

WOW. Beautiful, both toolbox and picture itself!!

I know one like this for sale over here, but that says Sandvik Belzer. Would be nice, but already have enough carts of Hazet.

 

[CanUK]

Any clue who makes that ?
Wilde ?

Also, I double checked that pry bar and there is definitely no country of origin label anywhere on it.

I bought the 3-piece Facom pry bar set a while back and it was suggested that Wilde was the manufacturer. They certainly appear to be identical - including the screen-printing(?) on the shaft and the plastic tray/packaging they come in, so it's probably a safe bet. In that case the coo would be USA.

The same pry bars are also sold under the Britool name, but slightly cheaper.

My guess is Bost, in France. There should be 'France' stamped on the handle itself. SK, when they were part of Stanley, had the same made-in-France screwdrivers, pry bars, etc.

As above I think Wilde in the US. None of mine have France stamped anywhere on them, atlough they are roughly similar to my Britool hard handles (made in France).

Wilde pry bar set (made in USA according the packaging) -apologies for the pic size:

Facom pry bar set:

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Britool hard-handles - made in France (stamped on handle). Very similar, but slightly smoother transitions at the tapered part of the handle:

View media item 35580

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

14142-D6.3 takes long bits too though:

What do you guys say: Are the Wera Impaktor or the Wiha Terminator/Maxxtor the better bits that last longer? Which one fits the screws better?

btw nice Ko-ken holders!

 

[bart1]

Inspired by an earlier post in this thread. 2" Koken socket (one of my very few Japanese tools) adapted down to my wera bit ratchet. "For those special situations"

 

[Plombob]

Saw this at an estate sale yesterday.

View media item 37558
It is metric, sockets were unplated and not very attractive. The ratchet was replaced with an old C-Man tee handle. The speed handle was average. The tools didn't have the fit and finish to make me want them.

View media item 37559
Never heard of this brand. Any info on it? Any good, how old etc.

I meant to ask the guy what they wanted for it, but was distracted by this good looking gal who said: "I'd like that ShopSmith, but it won't fit in my wagon." I said: "You want a ShopSmith?" Gal: "Yeah, this one is nicer than the one I have now." Me thinking: "Where were you when I was single?"

 

[Flash21]

Forzato - Thanks for the stahlwille pics ... love stahlwille

 

[MadMeier]

Old Wera chiseldrivers made in germany


Wrenches: VBW No.87, Stahlwille Motor 10 and Dowidat No.111


Rahsol No.9


Dowidat No.1

 

[superautobacs]

Thanks for the welcome and kind words. The button on the pliers merely stuck momentarily as I was trying to figure how to photograph them. Not a defect - just a bit of pressure from the handle holding the button down. It is spring loaded as you said. Also, I double checked that pry bar and there is definitely no country of origin label anywhere on it.

I know what you mean now....as I was able to duplicate the same thing with my Knipex pliers.

Facom Torx/Allen sockets.

Since you are concious of not calling Facom water-pump pliers as 'Channellocks'....
those Facom 'Allen' sockets can rather be called hex-bit sockets or in-hex sockets. Allen is the generic term, but is also a brand on its own: http://www.allenhex.com/

BTW, that 4mm Electric wrench, considering it's small size, looks to be beautifully finished.

I know one like this for sale over here, but that says Sandvik Belzer. Would be nice, but already have enough carts of Hazet.

How about one for the living room, bed room, kitchen, etc.

*snip


Wilde pry bar set (made in USA according the packaging) -apologies for the pic size:

I'll be darned, thanks for correcting me!

I'm a bit surprised that Facom decided to source them from Wilde.

What do you guys say: Are the Wera Impaktor or the Wiha Terminator/Maxxtor the better bits that last longer? Which one fits the screws better?

This is my opinion: If you're constantly using a high-torque, 18v impact driver with these small 1/4" drive bits, then I'd say those built-in torsional zones should prove to outlast standard 1/4" drive bits. But, if you're using a 10.8/12v system impact driver with much lower torque output, I don't think the extra cost of the Impactor (for example) is neccessary.

Inspired by an earlier post in this thread. 2" Koken socket (one of my very few Japanese tools) adapted down to my wera bit ratchet. "For those special situations"

Looks like an old Ko-ken socket....what does the three digit date code say?

Dowidat No.1

I like that one as it has the same size on both ends. One of the very few double-box wrenches of that kind that I've seen.

 

[Monte]

Inspired by an earlier post in this thread. 2" Koken socket (one of my very few Japanese tools) adapted down to my wera bit ratchet. "For those special situations"

let us know if you find a application for that combination

Never heard of this brand. Any info on it? Any good, how old etc.

it seems it´s from the GDR.

I meant to ask the guy what they wanted for it, but was distracted by this good looking gal who said: "I'd like that ShopSmith, but it won't fit in my wagon." I said: "You want a ShopSmith?" Gal: "Yeah, this one is nicer than the one I have now." Me thinking: "Where were you when I was single?"

it´s never too late

What do you guys say: Are the Wera Impaktor or the Wiha Terminator/Maxxtor the better bits that last longer? Which one fits the screws better?

btw nice Ko-ken holders!

i dunno which last longer.... both fit very good....
I guess you can´t go wrong with either one...

Major companies choose either Wera or Wiha. Bosch for example chooses Wera:

Metabo choosed Wiha:

Fein too:

Würth too:

Festool offers impact bits too but i don´t know the oem. Witte, Elora and Wekador offer impact bits too.

 

[Monte]

For the americans:

FEIN angle grinder for only $99.99 !!

http://www.toolnut.com/Fein_WSG_8_115_4_1_2_Angle_Grinder_p/wsg-8-115.htm

 

[bart1]

...
Looks like an old Ko-ken socket....what does the three digit date code say?



...

I didn't see one. Japan 44 and 6464 on there?

let us know if you find a application for that combination
...

Hmm, my Porsche has a big plastic nut that holds the fuel sender, right on top of the gas tank. Pretty small space, so maybe that is the correct application once you loosen it.

 

[SJShaw672]

Looks like Facom have America in their sights:

Also, the rest of the Catalogue has all sorts of new stuff in it (cue sealed-flex-head-pear-head-extending ratchets etc...)

http://www.facom.com/Facom/Catalogs/Facom_Selection-Automotive-2014-SANSPRIX.zip

 

[bahcoswed]

forzato! You have a very very nice taste of toolbrands! How does the facom flexhead ratcheting wrenches held up? I tought because they have a pinjoint, not a screw that you can tighten when the flexhead are floppy over the years!

 

[Monte]

Hmm, my Porsche has a big plastic nut that holds the fuel sender, right on top of the gas tank. Pretty small space, so maybe that is the correct application once you loosen it.

ok on the wish list













Tools in action:

 

[north]

My Koken 3/8 breaker bar bought on Rakuten from tuzukiya.

Cost was 3076 yen + shipping (EMS) at 1800 yen.

Procedure was as follows:

Jan-1: Ordered and received automatic confirmation email.

Jan-3: Received an email of apology from tuzukiya/diy-tools that they were on holiday until Jan-6.

Jan-8: Received email with shipping cost. If I accepted I were to reply to the email and pay the total amount due, to their paypal account. (I chose paypal when I ordered.) I payed the amount, stating the order number in the message box just in case, and replied that I accepted the cost and had paid.

Jan-9: Received confirmation that they had received my payment and would arrange shipping.

Jan-15: Received email stating that the goods would be shipped the next day.

Jan-16: Received confirmation of shipment.

Jan-22: Picked it up at the local post office.

The bar is 15" long, uses a pin in the head and has a ball and spring with detents at zero and 90 degrees. Comfy handle grip that is a little beefier than Snap-on.

 

[Alfajuj]

ok on the wish list













Tools in action:

Well, I AM impressed!

Fein, Festool and Flex

Top notch power tools

I especially like the Fein drill. I've got to get me one of those...

 

[Forzato]

Forzato - Thanks for the stahlwille pics ... love stahlwille

You are welcome! More to come - vintage Hazet, Stahlwille, Dowidat, Gedore. All from my father, when we lived near Stuttgart (where I was born) - Böblingen to be precise.

...Since you are concious of not calling Facom water-pump pliers as 'Channellocks'....
those Facom 'Allen' sockets can rather be called hex-bit sockets or in-hex sockets. Allen is the generic term, but is also a brand on its own:

Duly noted - thank you.

forzato! You have a very very nice taste of toolbrands! How does the facom flexhead ratcheting wrenches held up? I tought because they have a pinjoint, not a screw that you can tighten when the flexhead are floppy over the years!

You are right! No means to adjust tension with a screw. They are brand new, but if (when) they get sloppy I will report back here. Then I will try a few smacks with a pointed punch... unless anyone has a more effective approach to suggest.

 

[Monte]

Well, I AM impressed!

Fein, Festool and Flex

Top notch power tools

I especially like the Fein drill. I've got to get me one of those...

Good quality power tools are as important as good quality hand tools
The Fein drills are very ergonomic and build "into the hand". Very nice.
All of mypower tools: http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=122580&highlight=suhner+atlas+fein















Bosch GSC 10,8 V-LI (Bosch PS70) metal shear

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

This is my opinion: If you're constantly using a high-torque, 18v impact driver with these small 1/4" drive bits, then I'd say those built-in torsional zones should prove to outlast standard 1/4" drive bits. But, if you're using a 10.8/12v system impact driver with much lower torque output, I don't think the extra cost of the Impactor (for example) is neccessary.

i dunno which last longer.... both fit very good....
I guess you can´t go wrong with either one...

Major companies choose either Wera or Wiha. Bosch for example chooses Wera:
Metabo choosed Wiha:
Fein too:
Würth too:
Festool offers impact bits too but i don´t know the oem. Witte, Elora and Wekador offer impact bits too.

Thanks for the replies.

My friends said that I should stick with USH as I do not use them only in powered tools (just like superautobacs said).
They said the company is top notch.

They said (they are carpenters) that Athlet and standard Wera are very soft and tend to give up.

 

[durallymax]

So is the 400mm plierwrench in the US yet?

 

[bart1]

You are welcome! More to come - vintage Hazet, Stahlwille, Dowidat, Gedore. All from my father, when we lived near Stuttgart (where I was born) - Böblingen ...

I have a friend who lives in Fellbach, I visit every summer.

 

[superautobacs]

Thanks for the replies.

My friends said that I should stick with USH as I do not use them only in powered tools (just like superautobacs said).
They said the company is top notch.

They said (they are carpenters) that Athlet and standard Wera are very soft and tend to give up.

Maybe it wasn't a fair comparison. ....ie. comparing Wera/Athlet's standard line against USH's, top-of-the-line, DiaTin series bits?

Interesting to learn that USH is located in Hilchenbach! Maybe I'll go for a visit the next time I'm there (my German cousins live there).

...
The Fein drills are very ergonomic and build "into the hand".
...

Looking at that picture, I was thinking to myself how nice that drill is situated in your hand. Very ergonomic indeed.

Bosch GSC 10,8 V-LI (Bosch PS70) metal shear

Cool. Can I request for a demo of this tool in action?

 

[TjoFrasse]

There are slides on both sides of cart that can be opened by a release button on the top of each side.

You can pull out the drawers to both sides, about 2/3 of them slide out.

To access the lower compartment just push the lower slide to the other side.

A key on the back locks both sides.

Very nice! I once had a chance to buy a similar cart (Orange, Bahco branded) at a good price new, but couldn't afford it at the time...

New tools, at least to me.

Knipex 85 51 250 A
Spring Hose Clamp Pliers

More infos and pictures here:
Link to Knipex website

Please giva a review on these when you have the used them a bit. I am curious if these are a better choice than the common style. Should have more leverage, but no locking.

Here are the Facom Overland and the Gedore S1000 tool kits. Both are intended for carry in an automobile.

Wow, that is some good looking sets! Both are nice, but I must say I'm a bit surprised that the Gedore has no Torx tools in it. On many new cars they are needed.

Dowidat No.1

I like that one as it has the same size on both ends. One of the very few double-box wrenches of that kind that I've seen.

That Dowidat is a neat idea. I have an older Gedore wrench with the same pattern (straight and offset same size). That type is no longer sold though.

My Koken 3/8 breaker bar bought on Rakuten from tuzukiya.

Nice to get a PayPal experience in the mix also. Did you manage to escape import costs?

And also, shame on you for not posting a picture of the goods!

 

[Antella]

Hello all, I'm new to this site and would like to get feedback on tools from the old world. Has anyone seen the first crank action screwdriver that was invented over 130yrs ago? We use the almost the exact same tools today, Klein and Greenlee make it and are used most by Electricians. They can be called a "Twirly", "Rapidriv" or "Crank Action" screwdriver. Just trying to get some feedback on what people think of it and why they do or don't like it. I appreciate the responses and look forward to the feedback. Thank you!

 

[2oolhound]

Hi Antella and welcome to the site! It's nice of you to include photos in your 1st post, much appreciated! I haven't seen this style of screw driver before or I'd have tried to warranty it .

You are welcome! More to come - vintage Hazet, Stahlwille, Dowidat, Gedore. All from my father, when we lived near Stuttgart (where I was born) - Böblingen to be precise.

Sounds Great! I love the vintage stuff and thanks for your photos! In the mean time here's some fairly vintage Matador stuff. I'm not sure of the vintage but the sockets are marked in both AF and UN sizes presumably from one of the now defunct unified thread forms.