Tools from the old world

[billymade]

I like the Hazet lug nut sockets with the plastic protection; how much were those? I would think expensive alloy rims would thank you, for using them!

 

[zuspiel]

More great stuff, Monte!

I only know Solingen from knives...

billymade, yeah, those thin impacts with the plastic sleeves look neat. The Toptul wishlist that I sent in yesterday included a 4 piece set for something like $27 (before the GJ rebate). I have a feeling the Hazet ones might have been a bit more expensive...

 

[bchee]

Yeah, what are these for?

 

[Monte]

The Hazet Socket-set (17,19,21mm) is on sale for 26.- + tax =30,94 Euro ( $ 40,15) Part no.: 903 SPC/3
Maybe there is someone in the US who can get close to this price...

 

[Monte]

Yeah, what are these for?

Yes Solingen, Remscheid, Wuppertal. Thats were all the good stuff comes from (and Stuttgart, Ingolstadt, München of course )

Thats a regular side cutter. Thats what the catalog say:

-Side cutters with new profiled and relieved back for better life endurance and much better cutting results.
-The new profiled and relieved back reduce the squeezing effect and the effort.
- Anti-slip function for cable, fix cutting position.

I didnt try it since i have a cable cutter for that application i just liked the design

NWS Tools PDF (core programme)

www.nws-tools.de

 

[Monte]

Some Knipex pliers with the old school handle sitting in the shelves of the dealer for about 7-8 yrs. Had to free them

shipment from the factory with the missing sizes..

"Kirschen" chisel, Bahco scraper, Knipex Self-Adjusting Insulation Stripper with adjustable length stop
(works like a charm ! )

 

[Skyline]

If you guys like Bahco...here's a pretty good deal on our side of the pond for a general service socket set:

http://www.toolsnow.com/browse.cfm/4,2333.html

If you search their site, they also have a 1/2" Bahco ratchet set for $49.99 as well.

 

[Monte]

nice set ! Whats the blue thing ? (torch ?) Did you watch the Rennsteig video on their site

 

[Hawk321]

Here a rare BERNSTEIN plier, BERNSTEIN is/was the Star for TV/Radio technicians




Next, some WIHA GERMANY screwdrivers. The one with the wood handle is for PoziDrive fasteners, often found at furnitures and EU Ford cars.I like wood handles, feels great.
The yellow one is VDE certified, and resist up to 1000 V !




Here is a KNIPEX plier, VDE too.


Some HAZET GERMANY tools


The pliers are often used by me, these are special tools for ClicR and hose clamps. The spline bit socket is brand new, my old ELORA is worn.
Some new bit sockets...I'm upgrading my set. Had used 10mm Bits from KLANN before. The red socket is made in germany and for expensive rims. The 2nd socket from left is a RIBE #6, found on ALFA ROMEO and FIAT vehicles and some VW+OPEL. Not listet in the SO catalouge.




My loved STAHLWILLE 1/2" set...all is with quick release, even the joint. Not possible to loose them until you push the metal button. Whole set has a value of ~ 500 $. It's nice to clean with WD-40.


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Hope you like what you see

 

[Monte]

Sweet ! I like the Bernstein pliers ! The Stahlwille set is nice too ! Does the square wobble or is everything perfect ? I cant decide between the Stahlwille 512QR and Hazet 916S. Maybe the Hazet ratchet will be in the new Hazet sales promotion.....

 

[Hawk321]

@Monte

it doesn't wobble much, only a very very lil' bit. To be serious...
if I had a Stahlwille shop here (not online shop) I wouldn't buy Hazet (except wrenches to short). The handle of the 1/2'' ratchet is so comfortable and give you more power, everthing moves smooth like my SO80's.

Try to find an offer at Ebay...you can save 50% for a new box.

@Monte 2nd

can you look at you Hazet lug nut sockets for the product number? Seems that Hazet has 2 versions here, one SLG and one SPC.

 

[Monte]

@ Hawk: Danke !
No Stahlwille shops here in Hamburg.... Only one but they closed their retail shop so you only can order by phone and they`ll send it to you... (Wollschläger) , the next shop is in Lübeck....

My socket set is the "SPC" version they are on sale every year ( 25.- oder 26.- netto) while the SLG set is the standard programme ( 47,40 netto in 2007). I dont know if there is a difference ? The other "SPC" stuff is different sometimes (no polished heads etc. to keep down costs, search the yellow german toolforum for info on that issue: "Hazet spc")

 

[Hawk321]

@monte

my dealer told me, that there are quality issues with the spc's...had paid 35,- without VAT for the "original"...can't find a difference...

Lillte bit curios here, no real shops for Stahlwille, Elora or Heyco...mostly I order my stuff from Hermanns in Duisburg.
Maybe I post some old german wrenches later.

 

[Hawk321]

Here are some old german tools (except facom), most printed with "w.germany" or "west germany".

Wrenches are from: WGB, unknown,Facom,Matador,unknown,RAHSOL and Promat


Up to down: Facom,AMF,SORA,WITTE,WIHA and Schroeder



An 1/2" extension from Elora, the printed name "Elofort" is a cheaper series from ELORA. But it still works and I abused it so many times. Undestroyable!


This is old Knipex plier, works still fine. Onlu the "cutter" is worn out.

 

[Monte]

@hawk: I bought a couple of 1/4" Heyco "E-torx" sockets from schuebo.de (only 2,98 a piece ) . Baukreis.de has almost the complete Elora lineup for an acceptable price.



some stuff from my father..

all are unbranded

some Felo`s ,Geta, craftsman, rebadged stuff: "pronto", "Meister" ,unbranded

Knipex + Orbis (red handle)

 

[B.O.V. Norway]

How is the quality on Orbis? I find them in some shops here in Norway. I have gone the Knipex route so far for my diy needs.

Have a nice day.

 

[Charles (in GA)]

Every car/motorcycle has to pass the TÜV inspection every 2 years. Is the car new the first inspection is after 3 years then every 2 yrs. The TÜV checks everything from the brakes, tires, wheels, frame/body, exhaust system, steering, shocks, lights (function , height adjustment) , wipers, horn, windshield, mirrors, seats, belts, and all safety systems (air restraint system, anti lock brakes etc.) plus the electrical systems (if OBD equipped car). They also check for rust/corrosion (underbody, structual parts, brake lines, suspension). They perform a brake test (machine looks like a dyno tester) , they they have to work evenly and surpass a certain value. They also perform a emission test and the proper function of the catalytic converter to see if the emission is within legal range.
Then they fill out a inspection report were the defects are written down. If the car is ok you pay your $122 and get the new stickers on your license plate . If there are any major defects you have to repair them within a month and they will check your car again and see if the defects are removed.

so if you drive an old jalopy with rust or many defects the inspector may look closer , if you have bad luck he will pull his screwdriver and try to pierce through the rusted parts. But most modern cars have zink plated bodys so thats more a problem of cars from the 80`s or 90`s . But nothing holds up forever so on older cars there is always something wrong like rusted exhaust system, steering linkage, shocks etc. So if too many defects occur it might not pay off to repair it since you can expect to pay about $80.- an hour (cheap) or if you drive to mercedes or audi etc. you pay around $ 130.- for a mechanics hour, so if you cant repair it yourself and have to hire someone its gonna be expensive. The other reason to scrap your older car is you pay more tax because they have higher co2 emissions .
And from january 2009 the goverment gives you 2500.- Euro (about 3300 $) if you bring your car to a junkyard and buy a new one, so you could buy a brand new "Dacia Logan" for $9900 minus $3300 = 6600 minus dealer rebate , so lets say you can buy a brand new car here now for just $6000.- so thats another reason to scrap your car

I'm sure the Demmycrats will try the same thing here eventually. This carbon credits **** is simply designed to make money for someone big and cost the little guy.

Charles

 

[russlaferrera]

Monte, Thank you for posting your GREAT collection of tools. Love the vice! The hand tools are great, well made. Enjoy them.

 

[Hawk321]

@BOV
I own a Orbis plier too...it's ok. Orbis produce all pliers for STAHLWILLE.

@monte

don't throw your wood handles away...seems theu have a great value even Snap-On has not wood handles and Hazet+Gedore blue coloured wood handles costs a lot of $$$ on ebay.

 

[Monte]

How is the quality on Orbis? I find them in some shops here in Norway. I have gone the Knipex route so far for my diy needs.

Have a nice day.

you did well ! I would stay with Knipex since in every test they score top results, but Orbis will work too (subsidiary of Knipex) . I also can recommend Gedore who makes their own pliers and also "NWS". If you see "VBW" pliers they cant be bad too (Stahlwille group).
PS: Just surfed through some norwegian websites
(searched for "Knipex tenger" ) ..damn you have some high prices over there !! are you a millionaire ???

@Charles (in GA): hey there are some great new cars out there like the 09` Mustang or the challenger so you could drive a nice new car and help the environment

@russlaferrera: you`re welcome !

@hawk: I can`t throw them away cause they belong to my father on the other hand he always buy the Aldi **** (hammers, files etc.) so i could take them and keep them for me and replace them with tools from Aldi and he wouldnt even notice

 

[Monte]

16" sander

my fathers:

 

[Hawk321]

@monte

where have you bought that Knipex spark plug plier???

 

[B.O.V. Norway]

Thanks Hawk321 and Monte.
I have an okay collection of pliers now but would like to expand with some shorter combination and carpenter pliers. And of course some slip-joint and some angled and some electronics and...
Not always easy to get hold of Knipex in the right size and price range so I'm exploring other options.
As for being a millionaire; not since the Lira went the way of the Dodo bird. Now I'm a billionaire, in Zimbabwe dollars.

Enclosed are two pictures of my current collection. (And I should post my other tools as well, I know. Soon(ish))

Edit: The green and yellow handles are of RACO brand. Two out of a very few items in the socket/wrench/screwdriver/pliers set that didn't fall apart when exposed to more than .02 lb of force.

 

[Monte]

@monte

where have you bought that Knipex spark plug plier???

I bought it from www.hoffmann-group.com (18,25 netto) . I did a quick search and found them here and here. If you dont have one i would get a catalog from hoffmann sice they only have the good stuff ( stahlwille, knipex, PB Swiss, wera, hazet, ko-ken, bahco, facom etc....) and their rebadged brand "Garant" is always from top suppliers too (sockets + wrenches from Stahlwille + ko-ken (sockets,ratchets etc.), mitutoyo, PB swiss, bahco saws etc.)

@B.O.V., Norway
lol
looks like you already have the most important pliers together !
Let us see some pics of your USAG tools ! Some pics of your Belzer tools (original or Bahco-Belzer ?) would be fine too !

 

[jape]

Hello from Finland!

I'm only 18 years old so i don't have massive collection of tools but i am saving money to buy some ratchet wrenches and Facom 3/8 socket set...

Tool situation in my town is better than nothing, because i live in small town (population is 13500) Town contains only Stahlwille, Wera, Kamasa, Gedore stores and one store sells only Bahco and Knipex pliers and sometimes Wiha Screwdrivers and some China stuff branded GeeTee, and IKH...
Today there is very bad situation with quality tools, those cost lots of money and most of stores sells only China-****. And tool stores mostly don't have online store so good tools are hard to buy if you live in small town... And buying from ebay is very expensive because delivery costs...

Tool culture is very different than in USA. Tool companies trucks sells tools only to the companies, and most of people haven't even heard about MAC and Craftsman And only one of my friend own toolcart...

How about Snap-on? Here you can't bought SO from store, only from truck, if you have own company... And i have heard that prices are something horrible I have used SO and Craftsman tools at my summer job (i installed AMF bowling machines), those were from 70's. He also has couple of new SO tools but i didn't like those, too shiny for me...

Here is some tools from my toolbox, Stahlwille tools are less than three years old, but others are almost 30 years old, i get those from my grandfather...
He had some SAE tools cause he owned Massey Ferguson tractor which have inch-size bolts.

Stahlwille combination wrenches sizes 7mm-10mm-13mm-17mm-19mm-21mm

Stahlwille open-end wrenches sizes 3/8 - 7/16 and 1/2 - 9/16

Stahlwille 8mm and 10mm 1/2 inhex sockets, long 5mm 3/8 inhex socket and 1/4-3/8 adaptor

Some Facom sockets from end of 70's, sizes are 15mm and 23mm 1/2

Vintage Bahco open-end wrenches from begin of 70's, sizes are 3/8 - 7/16, 1/2 - 9/16 and 5/8 - 11/16, these are made in Argentina... So strong that you can use them with 2m pipe extension

 

[superautobacs]

Always great to see the old and latest European tools on this thread.

@Jape
Interesting to know that at one point in time Argentina supplied wrenches for Stahlwille.

Here is a 19/32 open box that I found at the my local flea market (the one below it is a Williams brand that I puchased together for about $2.50). The Stahlwille has a great shape to it and feels good in the hands.
Do you happen to know when these were in production from?

 

[jape]

Always great to see the old and latest European tools on this thread.

@Jape
Interesting to know that at one point in time Argentina supplied wrenches for Stahlwille.

Sorry if i understand wrong but those Bahco "UD" are made in argentina, I think that Stahlwille is always manufactured in Germany or some other european country

Here is a 19/32 open box that I found at the my local flea market (the one below it is a Williams brand that I puchased together for about $2.50). The Stahlwille has a great shape to it and feels good in the hands.
Do you happen to know when these were in production from?

Wow, you got a great deal, here in Finland new one cost's 9€, it is almost 15$...
I think that your Stahlwille is made in 90's, because Stahlwille get DIN EN ISO 9002-certification at 1990 and wrench type were changed in that year cause certification...

 

[Monte]

Stahlwille is german made. They only have production facilities here in germany. The Bahco wrench is from Argentinia. They make them there since 1963 (sockets, wrenches, ratchets).
The letter "N" next to "made in germany" on your stahlwille wrench should be the production date. But i don`t know how to decode it.

 

[superautobacs]

Whoops, I made a misconnection between Stahlwille and Argentina.

What do you guys think of Heyco?
I found a Heyco 17mm/19mm double box wrench today at my local pawn shop....I had to snag it as it was in great condition. Cost for that one was a mere $1.00.

 

[B.O.V. Norway]

Managed to cram my Belzer collection into one picture.
10mm says FINISHED IN U.K. and the 4,5 mm says GERMANY.

Have a nice day.

 

[B.O.V. Norway]

USAG ratchet, breaker bar and sockets. Some of the sockets has a spring device that will secure the nut/bolt inside the socket. And not to worry, the dirt in the groove on the ratchet is all gone now.
The ratchet has an identical cover plate on the 'down' side as well and with two pawls and two springs it's a bit more juggling to get things back together. 32 teeth and light action.

Edit: All 1/2" size.

Have a nice day.

 

[B.O.V. Norway]

USAG wrenches. 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 19, 22mm + 7 and 8mm.

Have a nice day.

 

[B.O.V. Norway]

Gedore 1/2" drive SAE set. 5/16" to 1-1/4" including the well known sizes of 13/32", 19/32" and 25/32".
Also two wrenches, 10mm and 5/8".
Bought the set and wrenches new back in 1986.

 

[B.O.V. Norway]

Elmo hex and torx sets. Kukko puller. Rest is USAG stuff. The locking plier has been exposed to a salty environment for a period of time, hence the rust.

Have a nice day.

 

[Monte]

My assortment of “Rennsteig” chisels Made in Germany.
Long lifetime due to the good steel quality.

The Striking Tools

Nice chisels ! I also have some of them - good quality - and the price is ok too !

 

[Monte]

@jape: Tervetuola !
When I was 18 i had no tools at all... i always had to borrow them from my father (cheaper) So you already have a good collection !

 

[Monte]

Gedore 1/2" drive SAE set. 5/16" to 1-1/4" including the well known sizes of 13/32", 19/32" and 25/32".

Haha !! did you ever used the 13/32", 19/32" and 25/32" sockets ?? if so where ?? airplane ?? rocket ?
Nice large Belzer collection ! Thanks for the USAG fotos ! I only knew the screw/nut holding device from some "Carolus" sockets, didnt knew USAG made them too !

 

[Monte]

old metabo drill

some more from the old world

 

[B.O.V. Norway]

I really like that old Metabo drill.

Have a nice day.

 

[superautobacs]

I have a feeling Monte has A LOT more goodies hidden in his garage.
How many years have you been working on your tool collection?