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I have a feeling Monte has A LOT more goodies hidden in his garage. :bounce:
How many years have you been working on your tool collection?


I started about 5 years ago, before i always borrowed everything from my father but it was too annoying (for me and him :D ) so i started with cheap import stuff and then replaced everything step by step with the good stuff.

There are some treasures hidden in my garage :D but unfortunately its too cold and the digital camera quit...

But i found this for you :D

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got a shipment from the "HaFu" factory today :D

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Ball hex + ball-torx screwdrivers and Hex/Torx t-handles 2-10mm and T9-T40
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and bought this clip-remover at the local DIY-store :D

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@Monte,

I was looking at some of those precision screwdrivers the other day and noticed that on the display rack there were "Made in Germany" and "Made in Czech Republic" pieces. That is, two exact same part #'s, but different manufactured origins. I'm assuming that the newly arrived ones at the store are Czech made. Interestingly, I only noticed this on the smaller/precision screwdrivers; not with the larger pieces. Over there, are the larger sized ones also Cz-made?

I intently compared the two precision flat-head screwdrivers in anticipation that the Czech pieces would not be 'equal' to the German counterpart. The most notable difference was this--the two components that make the Wera handle are not the same. The green thermal plastic rubber is not as soft as the G-made one and the black plastic was different as well (though, I just can't remember exactly what it was about the black plastic). The spin knob wobbles quite a bit more on the Cz-made one as well.

Although the Cz-made one will do the job, the attention to fit and finish certainly falls short of the G-made ones period.

One last point: Wera purposely prints "Made in Czech Republic" in small, fine print, using a color that's low in contrast, too.
 

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Lots of nice tools from the old country I used to get alot of Usag stuff from Eurotool in Cal. but they went bust in the early 90's. Beta and Usag pretty much mirror each other in product and quailty. They both seem to copy what the German companies do over all.
 
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@superautobacs: The packaging of the small and also of the large screwdrivers (series 900 etc.) and also the screwdrivers are unmarked (which I own) . Also the drivers which I saw in the shop here are unmarked while some others in a german forum have screwdriver which are marked germany or czech while others are unmarked too. I cant compare them (czech/german) but I`m happy with them . If you want a "german" alternative there is Felo with similar handles, they`re really nice too ( i actually prefer their handle design a bit more) They`re avail. at chadstoolbox/Northern/SJ discount etc. for a VERY good price (cheaper than in germany !!! )

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I found three HAZET 603 wrenches from my grandparents, made in West Germany so those are over 20 years old
I have some kind of memory that grandfather had set of these at range 10mm to 19mm, so i'am trying to find missing pieces... If my grandfather is alive :Twitch: he would be proud because i take care of his tools

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Those wrenches got sentimental value, because we repaired grandfathers car with these when i was 8 years old
 

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@superautobacs: The packaging of the small and also of the large screwdrivers (series 900 etc.) and also the screwdrivers are unmarked (which I own) . Also the drivers which I saw in the shop here are unmarked while some others in a german forum have screwdriver which are marked germany or czech while others are unmarked too. I cant compare them (czech/german) but I`m happy with them . If you want a "german" alternative there is Felo with similar handles, they`re really nice too ( i actually prefer their handle design a bit more) They`re avail. at chadstoolbox/Northern/SJ discount etc. for a VERY good price (cheaper than in germany !!! )

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Point of interest to these thinking of such screw driver the Wera brand has steel wrench flats the Felo do not.

BTW I love my Felo T&G pliers so much so I gave away my 11 " Kipinx.
 

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Personally I recommend Wera's pistol grip driver....My favorite driver...clutchless and zero degree ratcheting...Included in this picture are Robert Schroeder Kompacts with Michael Schumacher limited addition one
 

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@jape: Thanks for the pics !

@-B-: The felo "steel wrench flats" (hexagon ?) is made of steel too

@dink: didn`t know that Michael Schuhmacher is famous in the US too ? ps: I like that Tajima knife
 

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@jape: Thanks for the pics !

@-B-: The felo "steel wrench flats" (hexagon ?) is made of steel too

@dink: didn`t know that Michael Schuhmacher is famous in the US too ? ps: I like that Tajima knife

He is....but the Michael Schumacher edition Kompact came from Robert Schroeder in Germany...got it from them when I represented there company here in Texas
 
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you could sell it for a lot of $$ over here i think :)


ps: some more stuff: :D

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Gedore metric open box wrenches

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Brake bleeder + Undercoating Gun

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Bosch bench grinder

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I think the punches are made by this french company www.racodon.com To see the products you have to look at the french version.
Since Facom and USAG belong together (stanley) they share some more items (the new fibreglass hammers for example) the same is true for the other stanley companies (britool and pastorino e.g.) . ps: take a close look at the britool/pastorino/bost/stanley-fat-max screwdrivers (also sold by SK and KTC japan)..
 
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yeah a carolus "rastoflex"

Here is an old version of the carolus website before Gedore bought them
Carlos *click* With more infos about the "Rastoflex" "Conterflex" + "Readyflex" ratchets....

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I think the punches are made by this french company www.racodon.com To see the products you have to look at the french version.
Since Facom and USAG belong together (stanley) they share some more items (the new fibreglass hammers for example) the same is true for the other stanley companies (britool and pastorino e.g.) . ps: take a close look at the britool/pastorino/bost/stanley-fat-max screwdrivers (also sold by SK and KTC japan)..

I didn't know that USAG was also under the Stanley umbrella....learn something new everyday. :beer:
Yep, I've known about the Bost screwdriver being rebranded...except I didn't know about Pastorino.
 

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I looked through the site and thought to myself, "what a crappy site, I can't see half of the images". Then I realized you typed it was their old site.
How much does the one like yours cost?

yeah a carolus "rastoflex"

Here is an old version of the carolus website before Gedore bought them
Carlos *click* With more infos about the "Rastoflex" "Conterflex" + "Readyflex" ratchets....

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@superautobacs: The site should load the pictures after a couple of seconds...

I got mine for at a close out sale for about 32$ . The ratcheting is a little bit rough, the snap-on swivel heads are nicer. Here`s an overview of the different ratchets + prices: click


ps: :)
Belzer stubby bitholder, Wera small screwdrivers, Wera bitholder with rotary magazine, Belzer voltage tester, Witte flexible bitholder, Wiha insulated screwdriver...

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"Sandvik Belzer" (Bahco) 1" pipe wrench, "Dako" (Gedore) "Eck-Schwede-snap" and Gedore "swedish pattern" pipe wrenches

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The new Facom screwdrivers:

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Does anyone know if the USAG wrenches are still made in Italy?
I saw some for sale online, but in the pictures they don't say "Italy" after the model number like they do in the pics in this thread.
 
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Maybe now taiwan or czech made like the Facom wrenches ? The new Facom ratchets doesn`t say "France" no more too... Stanley (Facom/USAG) has a production facility in czech republic *click*. Reversegear said that the new Facom wrenches are made in Taiwan so maybe the USAG`s too ?
how knows....
 

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Perhaps this is not such a far fetched statement? : If a respected and reputable tool brand, such as Facom/USAG/Britool, doesn't stamp the COO on the product, like they always used to do, then there's a good reason why they don't.

Perhaps the brand doesn't want to disclose the COO to save the brand's 'face', as an XXXX country may have a stigma attached to it?
 

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So companies like Facom and USAG are keeping their fingers crossed that people will let them coast on their brand name and not look too closely for a country of origin stamp. (As far as I know the COO labeling is not required in Europe) That way they can still charge the same prices at drastically lower production costs and thus make obscene profit margins. And everyone "assumes the position."
That kind of deception really bugs me. :Gun1:
Being bought by Stanley has something to do with it, I would think.

I'll stick with companies like Hazet who still label their products made in Germany. I know that not all of their products are German, but at least their core items, like wrenches, are.:rocker:

I heard that their crescent wrenches are made in Spain by Irega-can anyone confirm that, please?
 

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... (As far as I know the COO labeling is not required in Europe) ....
If so, that works in huge favour for them! They save money by not having to ask the supplier to create a new die just to stamp a COO on a product. It's doubly good for them.

... I heard that their crescent wrenches are made in Spain by Irega-can anyone confirm that, please?

If I'm not mistaken, a crescent wrench is a product produced by the Crescent brand of Cooper Hand Tools. The proper name would be: adjustable wrench.

Irega is mostlikely one of the largest producers of adjustable wrenches in Europe, and rebranded for sale around the world. Same can be said for Irimo and EGA as well though, both Spanish.
To answer your question: Yes, Irega is the OEM for USAG, Hazet, Signet, and even Channellock adjustable wrenches.
 
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Found this statement from 2006: "the Facom Tools
plant in Nevers, France and distribution center in Cannock, UK were
successfully closed in September and a second plant in Ezy, France is
scheduled to close in the fourth quarter.
source: click
The 2006 annual Stanley report says that 580 jobs were quit because of rationalizing
2 plants closed and 4 distribution centers are closed (UK,Belgium,Germany,Switzerland) and another 440 jobs quit from the 2 factories and the UK distribution,....... (now I know why i have to wait 1,5 - 2 weeks before the Facom stuff i ordered arrive...)...
source: click (search: facom)

The 2008 stanley news: 2000 jobs planned to be cut and another 3 plant to be closed.
source: click

.....hmmm....
 

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Being part of the Stanley Works group is killing Facom as a French manufacturer. Stanley is a publicly traded corporation. Corporations don't have national loyalties or sentimentality. They are stictly focused on maximizing profits and minimizing costs. Since French labor is expensive, they will step-by-step close every French and western European plant that they possibly can. Since Europe doesn't have country or origin requirements, they will move all production to lower cost countries. Some of Stanley's other companies like Proto have a strong "Made in USA" image that's important to their marketing. But not Facom.
They're screwed forever now...Even if they were to escape the clutches of Stanley, would they be able to reopen their French plants now that they've closed them?

All the best European tool makers are family-owned, private companies:
Hazet, Stahlwille, Elora, Wiha, Knipex are all family owned.:thumbup: An exeption is Gedore, which is a corporation.

According to the Gedore website:

"...But when, precisely, may a product use the “Made in Germany” label?

There are no legal provisions defining this, but there is an essential understanding in the industry that the stages of production that determine the quality must have been carried out in Germany.
In the case of hand tools, this means that the metal machining, required to ensure the close manufacturing tolerances, and the heat treatment to guarantee optimum hardness and toughness, must have been carried out in Germany.

In the GEDORE Group, everything is produced from a single source – from the material blank to the end product."
 

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I have a question for our European friends. Have any of you guys heard of Orenco tools out of Sweden? I have some flex wrench and hex wrench sets, but don't know anything about them. They seem to be a mystery tool, even to the guru's here on GJ board. Any insight would be great. Thanks. :bowdown:
 

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Thanks Billymade, that's the company. The wrenches I have are so so quality and nowhere near Hazet, Facom or Stahlwille in terms of fit and finish. Maybe some of our friends across the pond will have some more information on this tool company. :thumbup:
 
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@alfajuj: Unfortunately i think you`re right.... same with SO and Bahco and all the spanish manufacturers they bought. Last info i heard about Bahco is that they wanted to release almost all empolyees except 90 or so from the swedish plants... And i don`t think that they need 4 manufacturing plants alone in spain... (most Bahco tools over here are already from spain,argentinia, taiwan etc.)
Gedore is a corporation/limited company with 4 "bosses" (among them Mrs. Dowidat) , i spoke to an Gedore employee who already works there for 40 yrs. and he told me that she still "pull the strings" ...
 
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some different tools... Böcker magnetic pick up tool, stahlwille pipe cutter, Hazet gasket scraper, Pferd files, Hazet valve holder, Kirschen chisel, Dako + Belzer scrapers , Jokari wire strippers, Facom door trim tool and Gedore oil plug wrench

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Flex polisher and result... :thumbup:

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what spanish manufacturers did they buy?

@alfajuj: Unfortunately i think you`re right.... same with SO and Bahco and all the spanish manufacturers they bought. ..

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And i don`t think that they need 4 manufacturing plants alone in spain...
 
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The internet shows prices between 24,99 and 57,30.- euro here in Deutschland :) , the average price range is between 30 and 40 Euro...
I don`t know what the list price is, my dealer told me 56.- Euro... I paid 35.- Euro = 45$
...not really cheap but it`s always the same with those gadgets you wanna have .... :)
 
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yeah i alread noticed that you have really good prices for Wera stuff in general and also Felo is very good priced in the US ( 6pc. Felo "ergonic" only $29,95 , for that price you can only find the 3pc. set over here). Seems they both have good distributors over there. (wera seem to have their own branch since they state that they have employees in USA and Canada)
 
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