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Hi fellas, I'm Justin. My pieced together set of old world tools is slowly trickling in. Here are few teaser shots...I will be sure to post updates as more tools come in. They will be living in my Hazet 190!

I am flying to Germany tomorrow...staying in Bielefeld. I will try to take some time this week to visit a few tool stores, and hopefully can make the hour drive down to Remscheid!!!



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Speaking of old world tools can some of you shed some light on the Facom 467s wrenches and their COO, are they made in Taiwan like the 440s, I am thinking of buying a set
 
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Any idea on the intended purpose of those Monte?
i think maybe for grabbing/holding electronic parts ?
i think they belong to this group:
http://www.knipex.com/index.php?id=1216&L=1&page=group_detail&parentID=1336&groupID=1352
...but for 1,50€ i couldn´t resist :)

I got some gedore vice grips and stanley misc tools. They count as euro right?
depends on the coo of the Stanley tools :)















Hazet new tools flyer:

http://www.hazet.de/fileadmin/bilddaten/pdf/sww_2014_2.pdf

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Yeah,
I've never been impressed with the finish on Gedore wrenches either. Don't be suspicious, if they're stamped Germany, then they really are made in Germany.

I remember seeing images of the Gedore 1B wrenches and thinking that they are such a cool design with the flutes off the open end. Like old Williams or Belzer. But when I actually got some, I felt somehow let down by the finish when you see them "in-person".
They're meant as a heavy duty wrench and they have the mother of all box ends with loads of offset. So they don't fit in tight places so well. They're more of an industrial wrench rather than an auto repair type wrench. That role is filled by the Gedore No.7 series.
Gedores aren't such a joy to look at like Hazet.
So they're not the belle of the ball, but don't worry, the steel is excellent and they will be good wrenches for you. A little Autosol or Simichrome and some elbow grease and you're on your way.

Anyway, with Whitworth nowadays you're choices are getting very limited.


Agreed Whitworth options are far less than they used to be, but it is rare I need it these days. I am rebuilding an old Tough (Australia) drill press ( c. 1950's), and a couple of jobs on old John Heine ...

Way back when I worked on Morris Minors, Triumph and the odd Jag ( first car I ever bought was a Mk7; at 16), whitworth was 'normal'. The first set of sockets and spanners I was given was a Sidchrome set, sadly, stolen years ago.

The bit of storage rust will come off, it's not major, more an illustration of sloppier/cheaper production





ahh the Gedore "Farmers Choice®" finish :D
Their tools are not made for the eye of a DIY user :D ;)
The rust is a bit "unfavorable" though....Can you wipe it off or scrape it off with your finger nail ? (looks like surface rust and not really deep ?)


farmers finish! ha! good description. It doesn’t really matter, but the gross differences in the finish are an insight into Gedore production standards (or lack thereof). They are more than strong enough/functional to do what is required.

I guess it irks a bit, that Hazet, Stahlwille, Elora et al, can achieve decent plating… and finish standards generally . Why I normally only buy Hazet or Stahlwille




Gedore offer two styles of combination wrench. One style (No.7 I think) comes in a 'matte' finish, which is o.k. but they don't offer Whitworth in this style!

The only style they do offer Whitworth in (No.1?), has a fairly rough finish (what would be called 'industrial' in the U.K.) which I don't like much either! To be fair, they are tough, and work just fine, but they don't give much pleasure in use!

Wrench wise, you would probably be much better served by King **** or Elora! The former are British made, the latter German, but both have a much better finish than the Gedore. Snap On still offer their superb wrenches in Whitworth too, and I reckon it's worth acquiring a couple while you can! Sadly, none of these firms offer long pattern combination wrenches!

If you havn't discovered them already, KoKen make a huge range of sockets, at seriously reasonable prices!

Worth keeping an eye on fleabay U.K. as decent a Whit tools come up often, and don't always go for much money!

The series is 1B
Elora are ok, I have some small BA open enders. The only reason I went with the Gedore is that I already had one; can’t remember when I bought it, but must have been for a specific job, and all I could get at the time.

So getting the Gedore was just a means of completing a brand set, and the sizes I needed for a couple of current projects

Gedore was around when I was a kid, along with King **** and a few other 'exotics' , but mostly Sidchrome in 1950-1960's Oz. Gedore went off my mental list, when Gedore indian **** started infiltrating the little market share they had here. One of the local industrial supply houses carried it, same price of course as corresponding German made. No thanks; offside for life. I have read in this forum that they had changed position somewhat. But clearly still not on the same level as Hazet/Stahlwille.




Koken make nice stuff, agreed. A mate has some.

I sometimes check fleabay,; but just easier most time to stump up the $$ for a new set, and get on with it, rather than chasing the missing sizes… I had a look on ebay au yesterday and of course there was a set of old Sidchrome W for c. $19 :) / :-(

The 3/4 is quite large too
 

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"breaker-bar" and "S-bent bar" (what's the proper name in English... :headscrat).
Hi dutch79 FYI:
920 "knee joint-adapter" = universal joint
915 "breaker bar" = sliding T (that is not a breaker bar in your set, it's a sliding T) The breaker bar (aka hinge handle or flexible handle) is a 914-15 or 914-18
911 "S-bent bar" = speeder or speeder brace
930-13 "slotted screwdriver-socket" = drag link socket:)
 
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Saltus 1/4 set arrived yesterday.Im not convinced the set are made in germany, the "crv" and size marking reminds me of taiwanese markings,and the plastic case does look like a cheapie too.All the tools are stamped Solingen,Germany.Any input?
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farmers finish! ha! good description. It doesn’t really matter, but the gross differences in the finish are an insight into Gedore production standards (or lack thereof). They are more than strong enough/functional to do what is required.

I guess it irks a bit, that Hazet, Stahlwille, Elora et al, can achieve decent plating… and finish standards generally . Why I normally only buy Hazet or Stahlwille
seems you had bad luck with Gedore... :(
i´ll try to find some good looking Gedore tools for you :D

then it´s ok :)

Saltus 1/4 set arrived yesterday.Im not convinced the set are made in germany, the "crv" and size marking reminds me of taiwanese markings,and the plastic case does look like a cheapie too.All the tools are stamped Solingen,Germany.Any input?
...at least the spinner handle seems to be made here :)
...the rest i don´t know ... Maybe in the future in Sweden since Atlas Copco bought Saltus last year... :)
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Saltus will recieve an email soon.yeah i noticed They were bought by atlas copco.Well the ratcheting wrenches saltus sell are laser etched with solingen germany,so i guess coo will be far far away instead of sweden......:)
 

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Re: Stahlwille adaptors

I use a Taiwan equivalent impact grade and pound the heck out of them. I actually think they are stronger since the std anvil is inside them, there isn't twisting going on.

Thanks for the reply.
From which company are yours?
The Stahlwille ones aren't impact, but I would prefer impact.
 

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new arrivals (at last) AMF toggle clamps. Size 3 , M8x45mm clamping screw. max 2.5 kN, 250 kilogram-force. 22 EUR (ex VAT)

Horizontal acting toggle clamp with open clamping arm and horizontal base.
Galvanized and passivated. Rivets made of stainless steel, which, for sizes 2 to 5, run in hardened bushings. Bearings are pre-lubricated.
Ergonomic, oil-resistant handle with large grip surface and soft components. Lock washer for the thrust bolt at the end of the clamping arm.
Complete with tempered, galvanized clamping screw no. 6890.

http://www.amf.de/application/amf_app000005?SID=1542806801&ACTIONxSETVAL(artlist.htm,APGxNODENR:191532,USERxEBENE2:No.%206830)=Z

Nothing to indicate where they are made.

Last shots are comparison to American made DE-STA-CO 2027-U.
DE-STA-CO are larger and heavier, have bigger pivots and flanges
Both have nominal 8mm clamping screw.


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The catalogue photo presents a little differently to the actual item. That plating and punching is not from the same plant ( or country).
 

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Random question, i seem to recall that there was a way to tell if facom tools were produced in the EU vs taiwan by their part number or something? Is that true?

I'm looking at a facom t handle hex set "FF-MOD.84TZS" and the price has me thinking it is made in taiwan. I seem to recall these same exact t handles were a bit more expensive a few years ago as well ($35 shipped for the set now).
 

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Random question, i seem to recall that there was a way to tell if facom tools were produced in the EU vs taiwan by their part number or something? Is that true?

I'm looking at a facom t handle hex set "FF-MOD.84TZS" and the price has me thinking it is made in taiwan. I seem to recall these same exact t handles were a bit more expensive a few years ago as well ($35 shipped for the set now).
All Facom hex keys, torx keys, screwdrivers and most pliers are still made in France. I have the same t handle hex and torx drivers, the handle is marked "France".
 
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Saltus will recieve an email soon.yeah i noticed They were bought by atlas copco.Well the ratcheting wrenches saltus sell are laser etched with solingen germany,so i guess coo will be far far away instead of sweden......:)
let me know what they write :)

Nothing to indicate where they are made.
:(

Random question, i seem to recall that there was a way to tell if facom tools were produced in the EU vs taiwan by their part number or something? Is that true?

I'm looking at a facom t handle hex set "FF-MOD.84TZS" and the price has me thinking it is made in taiwan. I seem to recall these same exact t handles were a bit more expensive a few years ago as well ($35 shipped for the set now).
i think they´re still from France.
I think you can look up the coo at the Grainger website.






Gedore SL 3014 socket rail:

 

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Nice socket rail Monte.i sent Saltus an email on sunday,no reply so far.Until i know where the set is made,i just keep it in the house.Anyway clarke spotwelder artived today made in the eu:) The hex keys that was included feels kind of ikea........
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Gedore SL 3014 socket rail:

nice socket rail indeed.

this is what the website of gedore says:

Gedore SL 3014 Tool holding rail 3/8", magnetic, 480 mm
• External squares to take 14 standard commercial 10 mm (3/8") sockets
• Two female square adaptors to take ratchets, sliding T bars, extensions etc.
• A strong magnet securely holds the socket rail to ferrous metals
• Additional holes are provided for wall mounting the socket rail or attaching to non-ferrous materials
• The sockets are securely locked by the ball at the square-drive end by turning them 90°
• It is a simple matter to “unlock” and remove the sockets, by turning them 90° in the opposing direction
• Delivery without tools

Gedore part no. 1761099


what's that with the locking/unlocking? have you tried that ?

They also have 1/2" versions:
http://www.gedoretools.co.uk/180-accessories-1-2
and 1/4":
http://www.gedoretools.co.uk/181-accessories-1-4
 
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Nice socket rail Monte.i sent Saltus an email on sunday,no reply so far.Until i know where the set is made,i just keep it in the house.Anyway clarke spotwelder artived today made in the eu:) The hex keys that was included feels kind of ikea........
nice spot welder ! Did it came with different electrodes ?
what's that with the locking/unlocking? have you tried that ?
They also have 1/2" versions:
http://www.gedoretools.co.uk/180-accessories-1-2
and 1/4":
http://www.gedoretools.co.uk/181-accessories-1-4
I already have 2 of the 1/2" rails for my impact sockets:
here you can see how they work:
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P.S. Monte i didn't forget your request about the Gedore slogging spanners, i'm just looking for some privacy to take some pics. :)
Don´t worry ! I´m patient ;)














Zenten pipe deburring tool www.zentenbg.com



Blades made in Solingen :)
http://www.zentenbg.com/index.php/en/products/plumbing-tools/pipe-reamer-3-42-mm-detail


inside deburring


outside deburring

 

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Just those electrode included,but i can buy other types too,but probably i will just make my own as i need different types.Well i know this thread is about tools,but i think wee need more fashion here.Arrived today,Gedore work jacket
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Monte

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Just those electrode included,but i can buy other types too,but probably i will just make my own as i need different types.Well i know this thread is about tools,but i think wee need more fashion here.Arrived today,Gedore work jacket
yeah that´s right, it also should be easy to manipulate copper electrodes i think !?
Nice ! i have the same jacket ! (and pants)

nice ! Thanks for the pics ! What´s the largest one ? 85mm ?:shocking:












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yeah that´s right, it also should be easy to manipulate copper electrodes i think !?

Nice ! i have the same jacket ! (and pants)





Cool,i dont think i will use my jacket in the garage,ill use it as a everyday jacket:) Bending copper will be no problem "my office desk " looks like the machine on top of the page:http://www.pedax.de/346.html just a older version made when Peddinghaus (Paul Ferd) still made them:)
 

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Spending my last night in Bielefeld! Thanks Monte for giving me a heads up on tool stores.

Fritz Gabriel is number one! Talk to Nils!

Here's peek at what I'm bringing back with me: Stahlwille 19pcs 3/8" drive Quick Release set with QR extensions and QR sliding t-handle. This particular set I picked up from Hoffmann Oltrogge (industrial supply store).

It's something like 36tooth, around there, I don't have specs. This is my first Stahlwille product. The ABS case is pretty substantial, and the foam shadowing inside is top notch quality. There is a steel pin holding the two case halves together, and the case is closed by thick ABS folding clips.

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Here's peek at what I'm bringing back with me: Stahlwille 19pcs 3/8" drive Quick Release set with QR extensions and QR sliding t-handle. This particular set I picked up from Hoffmann Oltrogge (industrial supply store).

It's something like 36tooth, around there, I don't have specs. This is my first Stahlwille product. The ABS case is pretty substantial, and the foam shadowing inside is top notch quality. There is a steel pin holding the two case halves together, and the case is closed by thick ABS folding clips.

I doubt you will be disappointed with the Stahlwille. Most of my Metric sockets are Stahlwille and the longer I own them the more impressed I get! They are very durable, and the satin finish even seems to polish slightly with use!

Don't be alarmed if you think the Chrome is flaking off when you first use them. It isn't! It's just a protective paint they apply to the inside when new!

If you like the quick release, they offer a quick release ratchet with an all steel handle too!
 

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Thanks for the tip! I much prefer the comfort grip handles for sure; so much that I bought Gedore, and Hazet with comfort grip as well. :thumbup:
 
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