nanofroq, 'thanks' for the links, those CK Tools in the brochure are sweet looking! I have a couple of those screwdrivers in blue acetate handles.
Tools from the old world
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nanofroq, 'thanks' for the links, those CK Tools in the brochure are sweet looking! I have a couple of those screwdrivers in blue acetate handles.
It will be difficult to find Belzer tools besides Ebay (of course you can still find some at stores over here) i guess if you´re located in the US since these tools were mainly sold in Germany, Austria and Switzerland afaik. If i search the net for "Belzer" mostly "Bahco-Belzer" (new style) tools appear...
I will see next week what my dealer has in stock of Bernstein and Belzer...
I own a very little amount of chinese hand tools, i think i have a chinese Tajima scraper and 2 or 3 other things... about 0,5% of my tools.I usually try to find something with the "right" coo
...So you work for Apple or the Military ?
if you like translucent handles you could check out the "Wiha Classic" line too:
http://wihatools.com/100seri/153serie.htm
Monte, I have that exact Whia red acetate handle screwdriver in my collection. I also have a couple of tools from Facom with that deep orange handle, Even have a couple nut drivers from Facom with red handles?!
Speaking of nut drivers, I have a complete set from Vaco in various colors as well as an unusual four pack screwdriver set from Vaco with red acetate handles but are distributed through Klein tools. The set is the type that has a feature on them that holds the screw in place? I like that set a lot.
Also have a screwdriver set for electronics from Ames with the classic green acetate handles as well as a couple of Elora with the red handles and two from Japan simply known as Engineer with different shade of light blue acetate handle and another with an orange acetate handle. I have various other brands of different tools depending on what I am working on either our vehicles, fixing something around the house, plumbing, electrical, carpentry, etc. like Craftsman, Snap On, Matco, etc. Even have a complete set of screwdrivers tools from Japan known as Vessal (also a couple of other brands from Japan that I can't think of at the moment?) which come in nice classic red acetate handles, like those too! I also own a few Chinese tools, only purchased them when I was helping out a friend and needed something quick cause he didn't have any tools but hey I'm O K with it.
By profession I am a Metrologist (not Meterologist don't get the two confused!
) and my specialty is RADAR and that's all I can really divulge about it and that's it! One of my hobbies is collecting and repairing/restoring vintage (70's) audio equipment. I have around six reel to reels (Pioneer & Teac) as well as a few receivers and tuners with that nice real wood covering, from brands such as Tandberg, Pioneer, Sony, Akai, Fisher, Numark, Kenwood, etc. just to name a few, mostly from the 70's when audio products were built with quality in mind! Just one of a few of my hobbies!
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Never seen CK in blue.
With the others listed below, mind posting some ****, err,... I mean pics of your collection?
These? Seem to recall Vaco made some nice stuff (nutdrivers). Did a lot of rebranding too, didn't they (Xcelite, Easco & Proto?)?
By profession I am a Metrologist (not Meterologist don't get the two confused!
Funny you should mention this ... as it happens, I have an EE workbench. By chance do you do this from home, and if so, what are your rates and address?
Not quite the spirit of the thread. You shouldn't have bothered with advertising the fact that you bought a wrench. Pal. IF the regulars here operated on your attitude, it probably wouldn't be the huge thread it is.
Went on a business trip and had some time to walk around the city. Got my hands on some old world tools.
Any body know if these two are the real deal?
Also bought these 3 for a total of $17.00
Gedore 278 and 277 body hammers plus a unior no. 506 140mm
Any body know if these two are the real deal?
Also bought these 3 for a total of $17.00
Gedore 278 and 277 body hammers plus a unior no. 506 140mm
Went on a business trip and had some time to walk around the city. Got my hands on some old world tools.
Any body know if these two are the real deal?
Also bought these 3 for a total of $17.00
Gedore 278 and 277 body hammers plus a unior no. 506 140mm
yep its a real deal!
and unior pliers you got are made in 60's i eoild not use em if they are NOS they are hard to find..yep its a real deal!
You mean the Sandvik ones? Yeah it was funny because the most expensive thing I bought were a couple of Chinese PCB soldering holder things.
i have no idea how old are the sandvik pliers,i was talking about black handled unior cutters you have posted on the last picture next to the gedore's hammers.
Cool! Thanks!
lol
looks like you own the "Made on Monday" collection
it seems you own every acetate handled screwdriver ever madeMonte, I have that exact Whia red acetate handle screwdriver in my collection. I also have a couple of tools from Facom with that deep orange handle, Even have a couple nut drivers from Facom with red handles?!
Speaking of nut drivers, I have a complete set from Vaco in various colors as well as an unusual four pack screwdriver set from Vaco with red acetate handles but are distributed through Klein tools. The set is the type that has a feature on them that holds the screw in place? I like that set a lot.
Also have a screwdriver set for electronics from Ames with the classic green acetate handles as well as a couple of Elora with the red handles and two from Japan simply known as Engineer with different shade of light blue acetate handle and another with an orange acetate handle. I have various other brands of different tools depending on what I am working on either our vehicles, fixing something around the house, plumbing, electrical, carpentry, etc. like Craftsman, Snap On, Matco, etc. Even have a complete set of screwdrivers tools from Japan known as Vessal (also a couple of other brands from Japan that I can't think of at the moment?) which come in nice classic red acetate handles, like those too! I also own a few Chinese tools, only purchased them when I was helping out a friend and needed something quick cause he didn't have any tools but hey I'm O K with it. By profession I am a Metrologist (not Meterologist don't get the two confused!
but why hide all the pics from us
some pics of your classic screwdriver collection would be very nice btw. the Ames drivers were made by SKGSo you work for "Nist" ?
btw. If you are a Metrologist and have to do with Metrology why do you measure in imperial and not metric in the US ? Some pics of your tools you need for your hobby would be nice too
if made in sweden, then yes
Wolfcraft microtip clamps
Never seen CK in blue.
With the others listed below, mind posting some ****, err,... I mean pics of your collection?
These? Seem to recall Vaco made some nice stuff (nutdrivers). Did a lot of rebranding too, didn't they (Xcelite, Easco & Proto?)?
Funny you should mention this ... as it happens, I have an EE workbench. By chance do you do this from home, and if so, what are your rates and address?
Well since you and Monte have asked about posting pictures, here are a few of my more 'colorful modest tool collection'
but these are not all of what I have.
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William Payne
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Must get a photo of it but I have a pen that was given to me at work. It came from the guhring salesman. It's cool because the pen has Germany molded into it.
Nice stuff there.Well since you and Monte have asked about posting pictures, here are a few of my more 'colorful modest tool collection'
Particularly like the Champion nut drivers and Urrea screwdrivers (was only familiar with the old Proto style grips).
Guess it comes down to we want what we can't have.
BTW, how do you like those Engineer PZ-58 Neji-Saurus pliers?
I like them a lot.
Those pliers have really come through for me when I come across a stripped screw, especially in very tight spaces. I recommend for anyone to get them if you can, believe me they come in very handy, make the process of removing a stripped screw so much easier.Thanks, I appreciate it.I like them a lot.
Been wanting a pair, but wasn't sure how well they actually worked or what size to get (aware of 2; PZ-57 & PZ-58). There's the "get both" approach of course, but that would take funds away from other tools.
very nice international tool collection !Well since you and Monte have asked about posting pictures, here are a few of my more 'colorful modest tool collection'
more tool pics please
I know you have wrenches and sockets too Alpen glas drill bit
I like them a lot.
2nd. Much, much better than regular pliers on stuff like screws and grommets for instance.
scored these freebies last week:
tinman's stake anvils; a Hatchet stake and a substantial Funnel stake.
Also a E.D.L. Lighting task lamp
EDL Lighting was originally founded in 1922 as a lighting and cable support manufacturer.
This lamp is one from the 1950's
tinman's stake anvils; a Hatchet stake and a substantial Funnel stake.
Also a E.D.L. Lighting task lamp
EDL Lighting was originally founded in 1922 as a lighting and cable support manufacturer.
This lamp is one from the 1950's
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Gedore 1/4" SL 2013 and 1/2" SL 1916 tool holder.
I think I saw Monte having them with COO Made in USA.
No COO on mine.
I think I saw Monte having them with COO Made in USA.
No COO on mine.
nice light
The 3/8" i bought few weeks ago has no coo, my older 1/2" are "Made in USA"............I think I saw Monte having them with COO Made in USA.
No COO on mine.
Fein impact bit set
Help me !!! Does someone know the OEM of the Fein set ???
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mr_jack
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nice light
The 3/8" i bought few weeks ago has no coo, my older 1/2" are "Made in USA"............
Help me !!! Does someone know the OEM of the Fein set ???
It's kinda like the same argue we had here a few weeks ago about the "Germany" and "Made in Germany" inscriptions on the Knipex tools.
Can you explain why the hell do they do that?
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according to this site they´re from china now:
http://www.wayfair.com/Mechanics-Time-Saver-1-2-Lock-A-Socket-LAS50-IJP1031.html
(Look under "specifications")
here too:
http://www.hardwaresales.com/mts-16-piece-1-2-lock-a-socket-holder-w-magnetic-back.html
....as usual: no coo on product = China
mr_jack
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I meant specifically about Knipex and whether there's a difference between "Germany" and "Made in Germany".
Cause they usually stamp "Germany" on the blades of the pliers and "Made in Germany" on the handles.
Cause they usually stamp "Germany" on the blades of the pliers and "Made in Germany" on the handles.
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I believe they're synonymous.
ttpete
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I would suggest that is the intention, to have one believe they are synonymous.
However, there is a difference between explicit and implicit.
"Made in Germany' is explicit. 'Germany' implies that it is made in Germany, and one is meant to infer from being labelled 'Germany' that it is made in Germany.
In reality, it may just mean that the Company is German, and that the actual item is made in china, or Croatia, or several locations.
I do not accept that size is an insurmountable restriction to labelling with 'Made in Germany'. Attached photo is a Knipex 87 01 125. At 125 mm length, as long as a hand is wide, there is room for 'Made in Germany'
When something is not clearly labelled "Made in abc", I interpret that as most likely to be deliberate ambiguity on the manufacturers part.
A recent batch of Bessey KR clamps I received, had not country labelling AT ALL. That has to tell you something.
Governments should clean up labelling laws. Too many manufacturers are getting away with these sorts of deceptive practices.
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Nope, again im pretty sure its synonymous. Likewise most products made in the USA are simply labelled "USA" and it is the exact same as "Made In USA". Im pretty sure I had this discussion some time ago and it was the same in Germany. No product manufactured outside Germany may be stamped as such.
Crown Imperial
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Some manufacturers can get pretty deceiving.
I bought this BGS composite ratchet thinking it was made in Germany. Going by the price alone I should have known it wasn't but oh well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/281109855766?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
I am 99% sure it's Chineese. The label on the ratchet says BGS Germany but nowhere on the ratchet or the label does it say made in Germany. The construction is also exactly the same as the Harbor Freight ratchets I have for $10.
http://www.bgstechnic.com/products/detail/2408
I bought this BGS composite ratchet thinking it was made in Germany. Going by the price alone I should have known it wasn't but oh well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/281109855766?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
I am 99% sure it's Chineese. The label on the ratchet says BGS Germany but nowhere on the ratchet or the label does it say made in Germany. The construction is also exactly the same as the Harbor Freight ratchets I have for $10.
http://www.bgstechnic.com/products/detail/2408
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Dave455
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I think all this depends on the company you are dealing with, and the country you are selling in!
I am 95% sure that Knipex pliers are made in Germany. Firstly because of the quality - if they are not German made they'll be the only firm I have ever seen who can outsource and maintain the quality, and secondly because I don't think the folks who run that company would ever dream of outsourcing and then deceiving the customer!
Unfortunately, there are any number of tinpot little firms who want to import cheap tools, and attempt to enhance their sales by pretending they are made somewhere reputable. Standard practice seems to be, instead of calling your firm 'El-cheapo' you call it 'El-cheapo Germany' and stamp that on your tools!
It's a legal (but ******) thing to do in some countries, and illegal in others. In the U.K. it's the latter, but I see enough companies trying it on to believe it's probably legal in the U.S.
Don't think it's a problem if you deal with reputable companies, but if you're dealing with a firm you don't know, or who have a reputation for outsourcing, then if it doesn't say 'Made in...' it probably isn't!
I am 95% sure that Knipex pliers are made in Germany. Firstly because of the quality - if they are not German made they'll be the only firm I have ever seen who can outsource and maintain the quality, and secondly because I don't think the folks who run that company would ever dream of outsourcing and then deceiving the customer!
Unfortunately, there are any number of tinpot little firms who want to import cheap tools, and attempt to enhance their sales by pretending they are made somewhere reputable. Standard practice seems to be, instead of calling your firm 'El-cheapo' you call it 'El-cheapo Germany' and stamp that on your tools!
It's a legal (but ******) thing to do in some countries, and illegal in others. In the U.K. it's the latter, but I see enough companies trying it on to believe it's probably legal in the U.S.
Don't think it's a problem if you deal with reputable companies, but if you're dealing with a firm you don't know, or who have a reputation for outsourcing, then if it doesn't say 'Made in...' it probably isn't!
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But nonetheless they work well, so it is no big deal for me.
The packaging said gedore.com, not gedore.de.
Nice Wiha Maxxtors. They are my fav impact bit.
To Knipex "Germany./.Made in Germany":
In my opinion all pliers besides the gripping pliers (Bollmann) and the cable strippers (Jokari) are made in house at Knipex or Knipex group (Rennsteig, OrbisWill).
As it is already said, they don't have enough room for the whole sentence on the handle.
i don´t know, but in case of Knipex i think all products labeled with "Germany" or "Made in Germany" are also made here. If it don´t say where it´s made then it´s from elsewhere like France or Italy etc.
my 1/2" somehow work smoother than the 3/8" ....?
their sheet metal crimpers, their new scissors, the screwdrivers and certain other tools are not labelled with coo.........
Fein hose sleeve/tool coupling with suction control:
simply not so. 125mm long pliers (5" for the metrically challenged) can fit made in Germany; as illustrated:
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I'm fairly confident that country designation alone is just the same as if it said "made in", at least when it comes to reputable brands.
Check out my Gedore Grips... why would they say "Austria" if they weren't made in Austria? They're not made in Germany, obviously, right? What's Gedore's incentive to trick us into thinking they're made in Austria? Know what I mean?
Check out my Gedore Grips... why would they say "Austria" if they weren't made in Austria? They're not made in Germany, obviously, right? What's Gedore's incentive to trick us into thinking they're made in Austria? Know what I mean?
Fein hose sleeve/tool coupling with suction control:
Did not knew Fein has a factory in Romania. Most probably a supplier of Fein's has business here.