Tools from the old world

[Alfajuj]

And now... drum roll please,
my crown jewels
Hazet socket sets 882 and 900
For those who appreciate the finer things in life

 

[B.O.V. Norway]

That's some mighty sweet stuff Alfajuj.

Have a nice day.

 

[Phang]

Wow! That’s most impressive Alfajuj, I wanted to “upgrade” my current FACOM ring/box/close wrenches and combination wrenches to something made in Germany. Haven’t decide between Stahlwille and Hazet yet but more incline towards Stahlwille as we have a local dealer here. After viewing your collections, I got to seriously reconsider Hazet again, how convenient is buying Hazet online?

 

[Alfajuj]

Wow, those Facoms look nice French tools seem to have a certain stylish flair.

This is a quote from my reply in another thread. It more or less answers your question. Ordering from Germany you will get amazing prices compared to what your importer in your country would probably charge. We have a Hazet importer in Taiwan, but I just can't bring myself to pay his absurd prices knowing what I can get from Germany. But the shipping will wipe out any such price savings unless you buy a lot of stuff at one time. Whatever you do, don't order from an American company, their prices won't be any better than your Singapore importer; probably worse.

As for choosing between Stahlwille and Hazet, I have nothing to say. They're both great, just a different flavor. But I can say that the Stahlwilles have the edge in comfort to the hand.

I've bought from the following two:

http://www.weltweitwerkzeug.net/ (Hazet)

http://www.fluidonline.de/ (Stahlwille)
They were both very kind and helpful. The websites are not in English, but when you email them, they reply in English. I prepaid them by bank wire transfer. When they quote you, remind them that the EU tax does not apply to products shipped outside the EU.

I also had contact with these companies and they were also willing to ship to me but I haven't bought from them yet.

http://www.inox-schrauben.de/index.php?cPath=218&osCsid=ceba1e52c9e9ad865569b7f6896cc33c

http://www.weiner-autoteile.de/frameset.html

All the other companies were unwilling to ship outside of the EU. I sent emails to every single german online retailer I could find. Many ignored me. I even asked them why they would not ship outside the EU, but they did not give me a reason. I was annoyed by this because the site with the best selection and best prices on Hazet (tbs-aachen.de) just said: "we do not ship to Taiwan, we sell only in the EU". I sent him a long letter about why it is risk free to sell to me and so on, but he never replied

 

[stricht8]

Yes they are nice. Facom tools always have a better finish than Hazet or anything German. This doesn't of course mean that they are better. The Facom wrenches feel silky smooth in the hand due to that smooth satin finish. The German ones also have a satin finish but not as silky. Stahlwille wrenches do feel right in the hand, though.

 

[Phang]

Thanks for the pointers Alfajuj, I will throw more questions to you when I am ready for it

 

[stricht8]

Mmmm. Things of beauty! Those Stahwille line wrenches look tight (toight).

Thanks for the pointers Alfajuj, I will throw more questions to you when I am ready for it

 

[Phang]

Mmmm. Things of beauty! Those Stahwille line wrenches look tight (toight).

Stricht8, the Stahlwille line wrench indeed a very tight fit to the 10mm bleed ****** to the extend that I thought I got the wrong size when I took the photo. But once they are aligned, it slips and engages like chambering a round in the firearms.

 

[Phang]

Hi Monte, are those Preciforce 97 52 36 (left) and 97 52 3X (right) at the bottom of the photo?

I am tired of the crimper made from stamped metal which I bought years ago and wanted some serious crimpers for my car and bikes maintenance use. What would you suggest for the non insulated crimper? 97 52 34 or 97 52 35?

 

[Monte]

Hi Phang !
yes these are the preciforce 97 52 36 and 97 52 35 (4,8 + 6,3 mm ) . With the 97 52 35 you can use wires from 0,5 - 6,0mm² (20 - 10 AWG) I think this is the appropriate tool for what you plan to do. If you have acess to "Wezag" brand click or "Weidmüller" click i would check them out too.

 

[Monte]

@Alfajuj: what do you plan to order next ??
ps: Do you remember when you bought the Hazet pliers ?? The look like Belzer pliers. Very nice ! wanna sell ??

 

[carsounds_dan]

here are my stahlwilles, the marks in the photo's are due to my grubby hands.. they work a treat and fit even the most rounded of bolts fantastically without any fuss and undo them without a problem

 

[Monte]

This is my Ko-ken attack driver. Truly a must-have tool. Although it isn't from the old world, Ko-ken OEMs for many old world brands.
The Hazet attack driver is made OEM by Ko-ken (but not this model shown here).

i got this version. Seems to be the newer one from 10/2006 and newer




the older ones: Hazet

koken

It looks like the 5/16 bit-holder is incorporated into the the Hazet version of the ko-ken tool ?

 

[Frank Elson]

I found a bunch of Stahwille "motor" and "open" in a bucket I've just cleaned up (see my "Spanners" thread.
They do feel so good in the hand, neat and well designed. But the chrome plating is the worst I have ever come across.
Of course, they are really, really old and the rust must have got underneath the plating.
After wire brushing the loose stuff I had to take a file to some of the hard flaking chrome and they're now in my regular use drawers even though they look a bit piebald.

 

[superautobacs]

i got this version. Seems to be the newer one from 10/2006 and newer

I'd like to get that exact same model, too.
Some features/benefits:
The entire body of the striker is nickel chrome plated first, but the difference with the newer one is that the shavened area of the striking face is given a hot black-oxide finish. This way, you don't get chrome flaking/chipping/peeling--a safety issue.
The newer version's body has been treated to be softer than the older counterpart--less prone to fracturing from hard impacts.
The newer version's output cam portion has been extra hardened to improve it's resistance to abrasion.
The overall body has been lengthened by 20mm for a safer operation.
The spring rate that dictates the efficiency of the cam mechanism has been changed to yield better usability and performance.

 

[Alfajuj]

@Alfajuj: what do you plan to order next ??
ps: Do you remember when you bought the Hazet pliers ?? They look like Belzer pliers. Very nice ! wanna sell ??

I'm thinking about getting the box set of deep well 1/2 drive sockets by Stahlwille. It's just sockets, no ratchets or extensions.

About the pliers, I don't remember when I got them, but they were already quite old new-old-stock when I got them. I paid a pretty penny for them, as I recall.
I never sell tools, I only buy them!

 

[Monte]

@superautobacs: Thanks for the translation ! (from this PDF ? click
i only paid 22,96 € without tax ( about 31$) which is particularly favorable compared to $87,95 list price...

ps: if you have a few seconds....:
could you be so kind translate what the left part of the koken website says http://www.koken-tool.co.jp/index.html (you have to wait a couple of seconds until the box appears, I only can read [Made in Japan] but what do they say below ? )
Thanks in advance !

 

[superautobacs]

@Monte,

Yup yup, that's the PDF file.

OK, here's the translation as best as I could:

We have produced sockets for half a century.
From shortly after WWII we had our eyes on the overseas market, and now we have gained success in 60 countries around the world. As a socket wrench maker, being produced in Japan, we continue to strive for an abundance in product line-up and quality standards.

 

[csquared]

Pure German tool ****. Also, the best tool website I have seen.

 

[Monte]

@Monte,

Yup yup, that's the PDF file.

OK, here's the translation as best as I could:

We have produced sockets for half a century.
From shortly after WWII we had our eyes on the overseas market, and now we have gained success in 60 countries around the world. As a socket wrench maker, being produced in Japan, we continue to strive for an abundance in product line-up and quality standards.

thanks a bunch !



a couple more koken pics:

3/8" wobble extensions with knurling. hey thats 2 patents in just 1 tool !







SAE sockets



picked up this extension w/ a locking pin, less hassle compared with the o-ring design cheaper than locking ext. and i think safer (?) than retaining ball at 9500 rpm...

 

[Monte]

Facom S.161 , R.161 and J.161 fine tooth ratchets

Facom (???) knock-offs for 4,99€ .....

"Proxxon" Dremel copy (but I like it better - more ergonomic, handy , ligther , made in EU)

 

[Monte]

2 of my favourite knipex tools. mini bolt cutter and cable shears.

"Peddinghaus" hammers made in france (reminds me to buy brake cleaner....)

Hazet oil filter spider wrench

 

[bchee]

a couple more koken pics:

3/8" wobble extensions with knurling. hey thats 2 patents in just 1 tool !

I want some of those Koken extensions. How does the knurling feel?

 

[Monte]

bchee : the knurling stick out about 1 mm or so , it`s great for turning the socket before you can engage the ratchet. It also prevents the extension from rolling around.

The price was good too ( 46 $ ) ... The 6pc. Snap-on wobble set was in the November 2008 sales promo for "just" $ 208 (!) here in germany... so the decision was easy...

 

[superautobacs]

Speaking of Ko-ken, here are my 3/8" wobble extensions I purchased over the winter:

 

[Monte]

@superautobacs: beautiful pics !


Here`s a Koken swivel head ratchet:

The odd thing is that the handle is (Tig ?) welded to the beam:

 

[Monte]

High leverage cutter from NWS Tools Solingen:

Deep offset Stahlwille wrenches

 

[Phang]

Good morning Monte,

This thread has made me torn between Hazet and Stahlwille. I wanted to add a ½” socket set to my toolbox but unable to make up my mind, I would appreciate if you can shed some lights here

 

[Monte]

Hi Phang !
sorry for the late reply !

I don´t think there is much difference in quality between the two - It`s more a difference in the finish and the target market and the concept of the companies .

The Hazet sockets have a combined matt/polished finish/look with a very helpfull double knurling which sticks out while the Wille sockets have a knurling which is inboard (like the snapon sockets) and a matte finish with turned "heads" but no polished appearance like the Hazets.

Hazet

Stahlwille

So the Hazet concept is to have a matt (sandblasted on wrenches ) finish always combined with a polished part (except open end wrenches and bit sockets)

Stahlwille has this smooth satin like finish on their wrenches , extensions, ratchets etc. and a matt finish on their sockets

I own almost everything from Hazet since they`re easier to get + i like the design better and the matt side and knurling makes sense, you have a good grip if you turn the sockets with your hand , yet they`re easy to clean on their polished heads e.g. so fitment on countersunk bolts is no issue. So you have both advantages of easy cleaning which is better with sleek polished/chrome plated tools and a good grip because of the matt rough side and the double knurling which is better if you have oily hands or rust remover is all over the place. The wille sockets offer less grip but they are a fraction thinner .
But since it`s not bad to own a tool twice I`m currently building another socket/wrench set with stahlwille tools so I don`t have to decide.

 

[Phang]

Hi Monte,

Thank you for your excellent review and photos. You have highlighted the differences accurately

While waiting for your reply, I took the plunge to order a relatively basic Wille ½” set (STAHLWILLE 52/9/3) to start with.

The Stahlwille logo on the metal box is silk screen printed, I guess they no longer offer the nice (more expensive to make) die stamped logo anymore.

 

[Monte]

Nice boxes ! Whats inside ?

The only thing missing in the wille box is a universal joint i think.

Here`s a pic from buddy`s box which he got 1/2 yr. ago , also the newer style.

some more stahlwille tools

 

[Mr.Nutcase]

go with Stahlwille....

 

[Phang]

This is what you’ll see in the silver colour KTC box.

 

[FiftyCalAl]

To Monte and the others who took the time to share with those of us in CONUS-



THANK YOU!

 

[Monte]

@Phang: Nice ! I like those extensions ! That`s a removable socket rail integrated ?
Do you own other japanese tools ? Nepros ? Asahi ? Keiba ? Anex ? ... ?

 

[superautobacs]

Here's my set of KTC 3/8" sockets:
Of all the sockets that I own, these have the closest tolerances; they fit the bolt/nut tightest and in combination with the ratchets that I own, is virtually wobble-free at the square drive.

A side by side picture of the 8mm and 17mm.

 

[Phang]

Yes, the socket rail is removable as shown in superautobacs’ excellently taken photos. The red plastic socket holder slides along the wire rails and you can customise it by adding more holders to the rails.

The Japanese tools in my box are all from KTC as they are easier to get and priced reasonably here.

Here is my electronic torque wrench (6Nm to 30Nm) from KTC which is not commonly seen in CONUS and Old World I guess

Guess what is the size of the KTC torque wrench drive

 

[Monte]

If its the GWE2-30 model then 1/4" if the GWEC3-30 then 3/8" (same body) . So because you ask i guess 3/8"

ps: Asia is old world too:

;-)

 

[Phang]

Bingo I am impressed with your knowledge in tools.

It is a 3/8” drive electronic torque wrench. ¼” size body but fitted with 3/8” drive.

Some photos taken alongside with my 3/8” ratchet

It reminds me of this

p/s: I think the ancient people got it wrong, Asia is not that big

 

[superautobacs]

Phang, do you like your KTC デジラチェ "dejirache" and your primary use for it would be motorcycles?

I think my next ratchet purchase is going to be the KTC BRC3FS, which is a stubby flex 3/8" drive in a 1/4" body. It's 80mm long and the head is 20mm wide.

Here's a couple drive adaptors from KTC:

IIRC, they won a Japanese Good Design award for them.

They act, not only as adaptors, but also as finger speeders. There are others that make these, but I've never been able to make any comparisons. The only concern I have with my mine are the magnets that are set into place--that's what holds a socket in place. I wish they had stronger neodymium magnets placed in there. If you are working on grimy nuts/bolts, you may find the socket detaching from the adaptor to be an annoyance. In a cleaner environment, they are just fine.