Tools from the old world

[Blöckw@rt]

Older ones from Hazet with a hole.

 

[ttpete]

I have several 1/2" drive sockets which have the hole. All of them from '70s or '80s. I think its for the detent ball. There are no dents inside on each side for the ball, only the one hole on one side. So you must insert the socket always oriented the same. Hmmm... maybe it there to allow access to the ball if it gets stuck? You take a punch and strike it to release the ball?

Ps. I think all my impact sockets also have the hole (?).

The hole is there for industrial type drives that have a cylindrical pin rather than a ball detent. This is so the socket can't fall off. It has to be released by depressing the pin with a punch.

 

[GHBrumbaugh]

The hole is there for industrial type drives that have a cylindrical pin rather than a ball detent. This is so the socket can't fall off. It has to be released by depressing the pin with a punch.

That explains the hole and the reason for the pin type I've seen offered. Thank you sir.

 

[Miskin]

NOS Gedore cutting pliers 200mm made in Austria. When I saw this cutter to dealer's showcase, i was impressed. Finally got it from ebay half the money!

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Comparison with my NWS FantasticoPlus

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Stahlwille Motor 10 6-22

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Vessel Megadora screwdriver P2x100. Bought locally.
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It's a JIS screwdriver, but honestly i didn't noticed any deferences with common PH...

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[Monte]

btw. holes in sockets....Stahlwilly 1/4"...

Talking of Elora how come they never get much of a mention on this forum by German tool experten ? They are a traditional family owned business making a wide range of tools in Germany. In the UK they are distributed by Draper, one of the largest tool importers, so they must have significant sales.

i dunno...i guess the german tool experten already have enough Stahlwille, Gedore and Hazet tools.... ?
A set of these SAE nut drivers is on my wish list since a while though. Good price (€ 5.- to € 10.- ea.), comfortable handle and one of the few SAE sets out there...(Witte don´t offer SAE nut drivers e.g.), Wiha starts at 10€...

some more Gedore 3/8" impact sockets:

 

[sikora]

Tools..

Well, well, finally some proper tools

I also have Kuka robots and Fronius CMT Robacta in my "toolbox" along with some other goodies .

Unfortunately my employer doesn't allow me to take/divulge pictures of the equipment or tools.

The "tools" you have there looks brand new/unused, you work for a line assembler/integrator?

Greetings from Portugal.

 

[Alfajuj]

The hole is there for industrial type drives that have a cylindrical pin rather than a ball detent. This is so the socket can't fall off. It has to be released by depressing the pin with a punch.

In addition, if you pop the socket on with the ball lined up with the hole, it will hold on slightly better than if you put it on in the other positions. You can try it and compare. It makes a small difference.

It was an almost universal feature on old sockets from the 70's and earlier. I've got some old 1930's Plomb, 1940's Snap-On, 1960's Hazet and 1970's Elora sockets and they've all got the hole.
All things being equal, I think it's a good feature to have.
I haven't got any extensions with the pin type detent, but it you try to use one with a non-hole socket- It will not come off

 

[Luis Arturo]

Combination square Stanley

 

[decaf]

Typical new age Snap-on Corporate silliness.
No COO stamping on either the driver or packaging.
I assume Spain.

Jupp made by Irazola in Spian.

 

[spoon671]

Well, well, finally some proper tools

I also have Kuka robots and Fronius CMT Robacta in my "toolbox" along with some other goodies .

Unfortunately my employer doesn't allow me to take/divulge pictures of the equipment or tools.

The "tools" you have there looks brand new/unused, you work for a line assembler/integrator?

Greetings from Portugal.

Greetings from California! Yes, I work with mostly Kuka robots (occasionally Fanuc and ABB), Fronius CMT welders, Böllhoff self-piercing riveting systems, etc.

Although, I am not allowed to take/divulge pictures of my work either, similar to you. Can you tell that the robots are uncharacteristically, red?

That line pictured was brand new, yes. The facility I perform most of my work at has a maintenance system in-house. They like to maintain their own assembly line systems, which is fine by me. This means I usually get to play with strictly brand new toys all the time!

My company engineers, configures, installs, and supports robotic assembly line and special tooling systems for both automotive and small (electronic, pharmaceutical, surgical) scale industries around the world.

[emoji481]

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

Talking of Elora how come they never get much of a mention on this forum by German tool experten ? They are a traditional family owned business making a wide range of tools in Germany. In the UK they are distributed by Draper, one of the largest tool importers, so they must have significant sales.

Elora is decent made, as is germand-made Heyco (their maxline wrenches rock!) or german-made Matador.
In my opinion Elora is not mentioned that often as it is not as widely available as the big three Gedore, Hazet and Stahlwille.
For instance, I bought this long handle 1/2" ratchet from Stahlwille as it was cheaper than the Elora one and has more teeth.


Hazet and Bahco just for length comparison.

Although they have some interesting tools like their stainless-steel combo wrenches or the inverse 1/2" drive (I don't know what it is called in English) on their ratchets.


By the way: Hazet changed the handle on their fine-tooth ratchet
I liked the old style better.

 

[gti]

Well, well, finally some proper tools

I also have Kuka robots and Fronius CMT Robacta in my "toolbox" along with some other goodies .

Unfortunately my employer doesn't allow me to take/divulge pictures of the equipment or tools.

The "tools" you have there looks brand new/unused, you work for a line assembler/integrator?

Greetings from Portugal.

autoeuropa?

 

[ATW]

Having broken another plastic handled junior hacksaw and inspired by the recent best hacksaw frame thread I went looking for something a little different:

 

[Lofthouse]

 

[maico]

By the way: Hazet changed the handle on their fine-tooth ratchet
I liked the old style better.

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What do you think of the Hazet fine tooth ratchet ? Someone here posted this picture a while back. The head seems a bit more bulky in design than it could be...




My 1/2" old Facom palm for comparison and a Nepros 90 tooth pear

 

[Monte]

Having broken another plastic handled junior hacksaw and inspired by the recent best hacksaw frame thread I went looking for something a little different:

both german made ?















Ersa soldering bath www.ersa.com

 

[ATW]

Yes both labelled "Made in Germany".

Although they still feature in the Bahco catalogue they seem to be quite rare out there in the wild, only one supplier (rapidonline) in the UK with any stock.

 

[SawtoothJL]

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A Nepros 90 tooth pear

It's interesting to see how the Nepros compares to the Koken Zeal

 

[Skin]

Not sure how you can compare the two considering the Nepros has about triple the tooth count.

 

[SawtoothJL]

Not sure how you can compare the two considering the Nepros has about triple the tooth count.

Thickness, comfort, ratcheting action..... There are lots of ways to compare them. And most are a lot more practical than tooth count.

 

[ricleh]

The Koken Zeal and the Nepros are both very nice, but I personally prefer the Nepros between the two. The majority of the time I go for a ratchet I end up with a Snapon though. You really can't go wrong with any of those three.

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

What do you think of the Hazet fine tooth ratchet ? Someone here posted this picture a while back. The head seems a bit more bulky in design than it could be...

I think the picture is Monte's.
The head is bulky so I will choose Bahco/Snap-On over the Hazet for work in very confined areas like motorcycles. On cars I have never encountered a problem with them.
The head ist also a bit wobbly. But nonetheless, the Hazet finetooth ratchet are good quality, especially if you use the 1/2" with a cheater pipe.




Keep in mind that the left/right selector switch on the Hazet is recessed.

I have a Hazet 3/8" finetooth ratchet which ist very slim from pre-1990 (Made in W.-Germany) that has 60 teeth I think and a slim head in comparison with the new one. The style is like 60 teeth Stahlwille or Facom.
I will post pictures next week.

I would love to try a 90 teeth Nepros but they are very rare in Germany - I don't know someone who owns KTC or Nepros tools.

I have worked with a 144 teeth, 2.5° swing arc ratchet from taiwanese company Triangle Tools. The ratchet is called 'Nano' an was sold under KS Tools ('Turbo' ratchet) in Germany. The pair of 1/4" and 3/8" was very cheap on Sears (it was ~30$) but for more than a month now it is no longer offered. The website from the manufacturer is down, too...
I was very impressed how good they perform and how effortless the ratchet mechanism works.
Those might be worth a try.

And if someone can help me out and has a set of these Nano ratchets in new or mint condition he no longer needs/wants, send me a PM .

 

[dutch79]

I was looking for an extensive Torx and E-Torx set for an affordable price and bought this Vigor set (daughter company of Hazet):

http://www.vigor-equipment.de/de/produkte/?id=103&hk=210&uk=210120&produkt=V1781

They look pretty good. Haven't used them yet.
No idea of the COO. But tested by Hazet, so quality must be quite good

Also I found the right ratchet (with round black handle) I was missing for my Hazet 1/2" socket set:

Now I have 4 different 1/2" ratchets of Hazet:

 

[sikora]

Greetings from California! Yes, I work with mostly Kuka robots (occasionally Fanuc and ABB), Fronius CMT welders, Böllhoff self-piercing riveting systems, etc.

Although, I am not allowed to take/divulge pictures of my work either, similar to you. Can you tell that the robots are uncharacteristically, red?

That line pictured was brand new, yes. The facility I perform most of my work at has a maintenance system in-house. They like to maintain their own assembly line systems, which is fine by me. This means I usually get to play with strictly brand new toys all the time!

My company engineers, configures, installs, and supports robotic assembly line and special tooling systems for both automotive and small (electronic, pharmaceutical, surgical) scale industries around the world.

[emoji481]

Hi, spoon 671!

I'm on the receiving end of your line of work. My main occupation is operating/mantaining the lines and equipments in an automotive industry bodyshop.

Have you been in Portugal by any chance?

We deal with some "supplyers" in this line of trade like FFT, Inproelectric, Siemens, KUKA, etc...

Anyway, nice to meet you!

 

[sikora]

autoeuropa?

Hi, GTI!

Darn, i didn't expected been busted so quickly!

Work there also?

 

[gti]

Hi, GTI!

Darn, i didn't expected been busted so quickly!��

Work there also?

eheh, yes, i do work there.

 

[Qualitytools]

It's interesting to see how the Nepros compares to the Koken Zeal

Now that I see the inside of the Nepros I wonder how much torque can it handle with that many fine little teeth? I do like the clean mechanism, it looks robust vs. the Koken with 2 springs but I don't have either and can not comment hence the need for information.
Thanks for raising the question and posting photos of the guts

 

[SawtoothJL]

Now that I see the inside of the Nepros I wonder how much torque can it handle with that many fine little teeth? I do like the clean mechanism, it looks robust vs. the Koken with 2 springs but I don't have either and can not comment hence the need for information.
Thanks for raising the question and posting photos of the guts

Actually the koken zeal doesn't use a system of two Springs. It's very unlike other koken ratchets, its basically a single pawl and then the gear!

 

[ricleh]

Now that I see the inside of the Nepros I wonder how much torque can it handle with that many fine little teeth? I do like the clean mechanism, it looks robust vs. the Koken with 2 springs but I don't have either and can not comment hence the need for information.
Thanks for raising the question and posting photos of the guts

The fine tooth ratchets are typically stronger than older coarse tooth ratchets since more of the teeth are engaged and the torque load is spread over a larger area. I primarily use my long handled 3/8" Nepros ratchet and I have not had a problem when applying a lot of torque. I also use my long handle Snapon ratchets with lots of torque and have had no failures. Of course it is possible to damage any tool if not used properly. If you need tremendous torque then the breaker bar or something similar is the proper tool, not a ratchet.

 

[maico]

Now that I see the inside of the Nepros I wonder how much torque can it handle with that many fine little teeth? I do like the clean mechanism, it looks robust vs. the Koken with 2 springs but I don't have either and can not comment hence the need for information.
Thanks for raising the question and posting photos of the guts

The Nepros 3/8th can handle more than 300Nm before the drive square shears according to a Japanese magazine test.

 

[Monte]

PB Swiss scriber

 

[maico]

Here's the 80 tooth Stahlwille 435 QRN I recently got compared to a French made Facom 3/8th 72 tooth.
The Stahlwille has less drag back and is smoother. It's a FOD compliant design. They also make a 1/2" version.

 

[dede2897234]

Here are pictures of my first Wiha pliers purchase . It is Swiss made too! Great attention has been made to assure that there is no jaw gap when the cutters are in the closed position.












Dave

 

[Qualitytools]

Actually the koken zeal doesn't use a system of two Springs. It's very unlike other koken ratchets, its basically a single pawl and then the gear!

Thanks for clarifying I was looking at a photo of one and took it for granted that they were all like that.

Always learning something new!

 

[Qualitytools]

The fine tooth ratchets are typically stronger than older coarse tooth ratchets since more of the teeth are engaged and the torque load is spread over a larger area. I primarily use my long handled 3/8" Nepros ratchet and I have not had a problem when applying a lot of torque. I also use my long handle Snapon ratchets with lots of torque and have had no failures. Of course it is possible to damage any tool if not used properly. If you need tremendous torque then the breaker bar or something similar is the proper tool, not a ratchet.

Now that you describe it, it makes sense thanks for sharing Yes I agree if a lot of torque is needed the use of a breaker bar is the proper tool.

Always learning something new!

 

[Qualitytools]

The Nepros 3/8th can handle more than 300Nm before the drive square shears according to a Japanese magazine test.

Wow, That's impressive!! That's good to know. Now that I have received all this great feedback, who has the best price for Nepros products especially a 3/8 drive 90 tooth ratchet?


Always learning something new!

 

[Ruger_556]

I think this is one of only 2 European made tools in my box...

 

[SawtoothJL]

Here are pictures of my first Wiha pliers purchase . It is Swiss made too! Great attention has been made to assure that there is no jaw gap when the cutters are in the closed position.

Looks awesome! [emoji106] [emoji106] wish I owned a pair and will probably be picking one up soon!

 

[Van Steele]

NOS William Whitehouse signature series 3/4 lb. ball peen hammer and a size 1 rawhide hammer.

 

[ricleh]

Wow, That's impressive!! That's good to know. Now that I have received all this great feedback, who has the best price for Nepros products especially a 3/8 drive 90 tooth ratchet?


Always learning something new!

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