Tools from the old world

rice rocket · Apr 3, 2015

Monte said:
cool ! How do you like it ?

It's pretty nice. I bought it mostly because I need the autoclean, and the Festool autoclean vac was $300 more. :scared:

Build quality is nice, but some things are still nicer on my Festool. i.e. the cable supplied is only 16AWG wire, which should be only good for about 10 amps. When you add a tool to the socket in the front, you could probably pull close to 15 amps. The Festool came with a 12AWG I think, which should be good up to 20 amps. The cable holder is easier on the Festool as well, but not a big deal.

It does seem quieter than the Festool though, and the double walled tub should be nice for durability.

jobo1004 · Apr 3, 2015

I love following this thread. Here's what I've got: Felo, Knipex, NWS, Wiha and some GripOn.

jetdawg · Apr 3, 2015

^beautiful

nice work monte

bahcoswed · Apr 3, 2015

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Does anyone know if there are any difference between Sandvik Belzer 1952m and Bahco 1952m? Sandvik are a little bit slimmer and some sizes are longer! Bahco are the newer version of 1952m, but i think sandvik are much better in strenght and holds up better! So is anyone sitting on more knowledge about these very nice and thin wrenches? Do not mix up Belzer 1952m with sandvik belzer 1952m! These wrenches are exactly the same as Bahco 1952m.

Monte · Apr 3, 2015

Cybermike said:
Very, very nice!
Do you own a sandblaster or did you take it somewhere?

i bought one of these cheap sandblast cabinets from ebay for 80 bucks or so.

Miskin said:
What do you mean "new"? Is there "old" batteries too?
I just won this 4Ah battery on ebay. Is it new or old? Differences?

the old ones were 1.5AH, the new ones are 2.0AH and the newest ones are 2.5AH. 4.0AH is their large capacity battery right now. Who knows maybe they´ll make a 5.0AH battery too.

But i think the 4.0AH battery is sufficient enough.

Miskin said:
Nice restoration!

thanks

udderlyoffroad said:
And as you've got this far, those PB doohickies are in fact Fondue forks....

cool !!!

rice rocket said:
It's pretty nice. I bought it mostly because I need the autoclean, and the Festool autoclean vac was $300 more.

Build quality is nice, but some things are still nicer on my Festool. i.e. the cable supplied is only 16AWG wire, which should be only good for about 10 amps. When you add a tool to the socket in the front, you could probably pull close to 15 amps. The Festool came with a 12AWG I think, which should be good up to 20 amps. The cable holder is easier on the Festool as well, but not a big deal.

It does seem quieter than the Festool though, and the double walled tub should be nice for durability.

did you already try it with a tool ? Does the fuse blow ?
Never heard of problems yet.
btw. here´s a topic about Starmix vacs and how to modify them so they can carry a systainer:
http://mafell-users-forum.freeforums.net/thread/55/starmix-vacs

btw. just found another Starmix customer: Ermator from Sweden:

jobo1004 said:
I love following this thread. Here's what I've got: Felo, Knipex, NWS, Wiha and some GripOn.

nice collection of quality tools ! I even see a NWS counterpart from Vice Grip

jetdawg said:
^beautiful

nice work monte

thanks !

bahcoswed said:
Does anyone know if there are any difference between Sandvik Belzer 1952m and Bahco 1952m?

Made in Germany vs. not made in Germany

bahcoswed · Apr 3, 2015

Monte said:
i bought one of these cheap sandblast cabinets from ebay for 80 bucks or so.

the old ones were 1.5AH, the new ones are 2.0AH and the newest ones are 2.5AH. 4.0AH is their large capacity battery right now. Who knows maybe they´ll make a 5.0AH battery too. But i think the 4.0AH battery is sufficient enough.

thanks

cool !!!

did you already try it with a tool ? Does the fuse blow ?

Never heard of problems yet.

btw. here´s a topic about Starmix vacs and how to modify them so they can carry a systainer:

http://mafell-users-forum.freeforums.net/thread/55/starmix-vacs

btw. just found another Starmix customer: Ermator from Sweden:

nice collection of quality tools ! I even see a NWS counterpart from Vice Grip

thanks !

Made in Germany vs. not made in Germany

Yes i know that

But they are not made in asia anyway...argentina isnt so bad

Or WAS, these days i dont know.

Vidar Wulff · Apr 3, 2015

bahcoswed said:
Yes i know that But they are not made in asia anyway...argentina isnt so bad Or WAS, these days i dont know.

does it say germany on the sandvik wrench if you twist it 180 degrees? Sandvik moved production to the old bahco factory in argentina,i am not sure exactly when they stopped making the tools in germany.

My Sandvik belzer 111 wrenches look similar,but there are small differences between the german vs argentina made wrenches.

bahcoswed · Apr 3, 2015

Vidar Wulff said:
does it say germany on the sandvik wrench if you twist it 180 degrees? Sandvik moved production to the old bahco factory in argentina,i am not sure exactly when they stopped making the tools in germany.

My Sandvik belzer 111 wrenches look similar,but there are small differences between the german vs argentina made wrenches.

I was so sure on the coo! I just checked my sandvik belzer 1952m(only have 3pc with 10,15 and 21mm). I thou have a set from 6-30mm with bahco 1952m! The only wrench with Germany on it is the 21mm wrench! The 10mm is missing coo but look like a german made! But the 15mm also without coo look like a bahco, same shape,same thickness on the box end and open end and the same length! Bahco has a bigger offset than sandvik on both argentina and germany made ones! Funny thing, the argentina made 15mm wrench look precisely like a bahco, but the 10mm Arg.made look like a german!

bahcoswed · Apr 3, 2015

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Here you have the newage 111m series, I like the older much better!

rice rocket · Apr 3, 2015

Monte said:
did you already try it with a tool ? Does the fuse blow ?
Never heard of problems yet.
btw. here´s a topic about Starmix vacs and how to modify them so they can carry a systainer:
http://mafell-users-forum.freeforums.net/thread/55/starmix-vacs

I haven't tripped a breaker/fuse yet, but I believe the vac is 11 amps (at least on the Metabo version, the knob goes to 11

), that's about the limit of 16AWG. My Festool sander is 720W or 6A, that would put it at 17A at full draw.

Yeah, thanks for linking that thread. I need to read that over again and figure out the docking situation.

I might just end up getting a cart for my systainers though, I've been looking at the Fetra Paketroller 1732.

sackkarre_fetra_paketroller_1732,p-1732_2,s-700.jpg

I'm not sure who originated this design, but it's been copied a million times it seems if you look on eBay or Amazon under Magna Cart. Petra is one of the few that makes it in Germany.

Also, this came in.

Cybermike · Apr 4, 2015

Gedore Magic 2015 (Dutch version)
http://www.gedore.nl/Prijsbestand/Magic/2947412_Pro_TEC_NL_Magic_2015.pdf

rice rocket · Apr 5, 2015

Systainer collection grows more diverse...

Monte · Apr 5, 2015

bahcoswed said:
Yes i know that But they are not made in asia anyway...argentina isnt so bad Or WAS, these days i dont know.

i dunno....there is only one real coo for Belzer tools

rice rocket said:
I haven't tripped a breaker/fuse yet, but I believe the vac is 11 amps (at least on the Metabo version, the knob goes to 11 ), that's about the limit of 16AWG. My Festool sander is 720W or 6A, that would put it at 17A at full draw.

Let me know if you have any problems since i´m very interested in getting a Starmix vac in the future !

rice rocket said:
I might just end up getting a cart for my systainers though, I've been looking at the Fetra Paketroller 1732.

I'm not sure who originated this design, but it's been copied a million times it seems if you look on eBay or Amazon under Magna Cart. Petra is one of the few that makes it in Germany.

What about the SysRoll
https://www.festoolusa.com/power-to...rt/sysroll-systainer-and-storage-dolly-498660

or Systainer cart ?
https://www.festoolusa.com/power-tool-accessories/storage-systems/sysport-cart/systainer-cart-495020

rice rocket said:
Also, this came in.

nice machine ! So you´re doing stainless steel work ?

rice rocket said:
Systainer collection grows more diverse...

nice !! btw. do you have some more pics of your new vacuum ? :drool:

Spax wood screw assortment

content:

screws made in.....:

box made by Raaco in:

And a lonely Spax Hi.Force screw

jetdawg · Apr 5, 2015

Monte what's the backstory for spax?

rice rocket · Apr 6, 2015

Monte said:
Let me know if you have any problems since i´m very interested in getting a Starmix vac in the future !

What about the SysRoll
https://www.festoolusa.com/power-to...rt/sysroll-systainer-and-storage-dolly-498660

or Systainer cart ?
https://www.festoolusa.com/power-tool-accessories/storage-systems/sysport-cart/systainer-cart-495020

nice machine ! So you´re doing stainless steel work ?

nice !! btw. do you have some more pics of your new vacuum ?

Heh, not sure there's much to show.

Cord management is a bit fussy. I'm going to look into that Mafell/Metabo topper conversion, which has a cord wrap and should accommodate the hose a little easier.

As for systainer transport, the SYS Roll doesn't fold up at all, the footprint is what it is, which is really inconvenient for transport unless you have a work van. I think I can add some tabs to the folding cart to stabilize and it should be fine.

The Metabo burnisher is currently for refinishing my appliances, hopefully I'll be getting into more furniture fabrication and will be using it more. :thumbup:

Got some Wera Hex Plus in, made in the Czech Republic, like most of Wera's stuff.

(borrowed pic)

zaboravi · Apr 7, 2015

@Monte, do you know witch models of Bosch Schlagbohrmaschinen are made in Germany or made in Switzerland? Thanks

Qualitytools · Apr 7, 2015

Monte, I sent you a PM about a Gedore ratchet, Please check!
Thanks

Blöckw@rt · Apr 7, 2015

I'm not Monte

but.............

GSB 21-2 Re
GSB 21-2 RCT
GSB 162-2 RE

are Made in Switzerland

zaboravi · Apr 7, 2015

Blöckw@rt said:
I'm not Monte but.............

GSB 21-2 Re
GSB 21-2 RCT
GSB 162-2 RE

are Made in Switzerland

Thanks...

What do you know about GSB 18 RE model? Man told me that is swiss made and I cant find it on Bosch website? Any opinions about Russian made Bosch? Thanks a lot :beer:

Blöckw@rt · Apr 7, 2015

I know that the GSB 19-2 RE is made in Russia and I would suspect the GSB 18 too, but I can't say anything about the quality.

But I do not think that the russian made impact drills are really bad.

Monte · Apr 7, 2015

jetdawg said:
Monte what's the backstory for spax?

Spax produces screws since 1823 in Germany. "Spax" is the synonym for woodworking screws in Germany. So if you go to a store and ask for Spax screws everybody knows what you mean even if they don´t carry Spax (which is seldom). So basically they´re good screws for woodworking.

They also manufacture other screws like wheels bolts and cylinder head bolts etc. for major car manufacturers like Audi, Porsche and Bentley. They also own the Trufast brand from the US.

rice rocket said:
Heh, not sure there's much to show.

Cord management is a bit fussy. I'm going to look into that Mafell/Metabo topper conversion, which has a cord wrap and should accommodate the hose a little easier.

As for systainer transport, the SYS Roll doesn't fold up at all, the footprint is what it is, which is really inconvenient for transport unless you have a work van. I think I can add some tabs to the folding cart to stabilize and it should be fine.

The Metabo burnisher is currently for refinishing my appliances, hopefully I'll be getting into more furniture fabrication and will be using it more.

Yeah the parts storage could be better...i think that will be solved with the next generation. yes you´re right, i thought you can fold the Sys roll...indeed thats inconvenient.....the prices are also a bit

.......

Hey cool maybe you can show some pics when you use the burnishing machine !

zaboravi said:
@Monte, do you know witch models of Bosch Schlagbohrmaschinen are made in Germany or made in Switzerland? Thanks

here:

Blöckw@rt said:
I'm not Monte but.............

GSB 21-2 Re
GSB 21-2 RCT
GSB 162-2 RE

are Made in Switzerland

you also could check out Metabo..........

Qualitytools said:
Monte, I sent you a PM about a Gedore ratchet, Please check!
Thanks

ok

ash95608 · Apr 7, 2015

Spax produces screws since 1823 in Germany. "Spax" is the synonym for woodworking screws in Germany. So if you go to a store and ask for Spax screws everybody knows what you mean even if they don´t carry Spax (which is seldom). So basically they´re good screws for woodworking.
They also manufacture other screws like wheels bolts and cylinder head bolts etc. for major car manufacturers like Audi, Porsche and Bentley. They also own the Trufast brand from the US.

I love spax screws, I use them all the time. Homedepot has them now, on the package they say made in Germany or USA. I believe they are setting up a actual production plant here in the US.

Patrick Boyle · Apr 7, 2015

I'm gonna throw in another recommendation for Spax. Anyone who hasn't use them needs to give them a shot. I'm SO glad they made their way into the US market, they're all I use anymore.

jetdawg · Apr 7, 2015

Monte said:
Spax produces screws since 1823 in Germany. "Spax" is the synonym for woodworking screws in Germany. So if you go to a store and ask for Spax screws everybody knows what you mean even if they don´t carry Spax (which is seldom). So basically they´re good screws for woodworking.
They also manufacture other screws like wheels bolts and cylinder head bolts etc. for major car manufacturers like Audi, Porsche and Bentley. They also own the Trufast brand from the US.

Thanks for the information sir.

Monte · Apr 8, 2015

Heco screws are pretty good too imho
(Heco Unix)
http://www.provenbuildingsupplies.com/heco.php#unixBubble
www.heco-schrauben.de

willhollin · Apr 8, 2015

Interesting, any guesses to the two competitor's angle grinders?

rice rocket · Apr 8, 2015

Second one to die is a Bosch. Not sure about the first.

willhollin · Apr 8, 2015

Other one looks like a Makita SJS model grinder on closer inspection.

Monte · Apr 8, 2015

yes Bosch and Makita

dutchgray · Apr 8, 2015

Monte
Can you add direct links to youtube in future, the embedded videos don't work on my phone and its annoying having to click quote to grab the vid ID.
Metabo grinder looks like it can take some serious use, might have to get one.

Jure · Apr 9, 2015

Lofthouse · Apr 10, 2015

New Welding Cable, 9"Cutting Disk, TIG Welding Rod

Monte · Apr 10, 2015

dutchgray said:
Monte
Can you add direct links to youtube in future, the embedded videos don't work on my phone and its annoying having to click quote to grab the vid ID.
Metabo grinder looks like it can take some serious use, might have to get one.

ok, i try to remember it

the new Fein "ErgoGrip" angle grinders...

upgrading · Apr 10, 2015

Monte said:
Wiha corporate video 2015:

Interesting.
I never knew it snowed in Vietnam.

rice rocket · Apr 10, 2015

I have a Fein WSS14-125 angle grinder that I'm not too fond of. Ergonomics seem weird, but it's also my newest grinder so maybe I'm not used to it.

I just ordered a Metabo WEPBA14-125 yesterday, should get it on Monday, and I'll have a little grinder shootout. :willy_nil

LG63 · Apr 11, 2015

rice rocket said:
I just ordered a Metabo WEPBA14-125 yesterday, should get it on Monday, and I'll have a little grinder shootout.

Looking forward to the comparo. I have the Metabo 6" with autobalancer that I use exclusively with a cut off wheel. Very smooth just like in the video. I never felt the need for a brake on a grinder. (unlike a skilsaw) Seems like the brake would tend to make the quicknut loosen, also another component to wear out.

Monte · Apr 11, 2015

upgrading said:
Interesting.
I never knew it snowed in Vietnam.

lol

rice rocket said:
I have a Fein WSS14-125 angle grinder that I'm not too fond of. Ergonomics seem weird, but it's also my newest grinder so maybe I'm not used to it.

the weird shape is part of the ergonomics

window shopping

BK13 · Apr 12, 2015

Man, that's just mean putting Festool and Fein in the same post.

dutchgray · Apr 12, 2015

I wish we had shops like that here, always have to order the cool stuff as nobody local stocks much.

neophyte · Apr 12, 2015

You'd think with all the free publicity, they'd find a Hilti core drill to put in the window.

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