Tools from the old world
- Thread starter Monte
- Start date
Thanks.
nice work
Thanks, next project is welding table
Member old-air-performance made very interesting table.
Today we finished workbench with pegboard, made from Croatian oak
I need to organize pegboard for spanners, pliers, screwdrivers...
Wow that is beautiful, fantastic job. Will you please provide some build specs on it? What did you finish with? Maybe I'm missing it in the pics, but isn't the back wall solid, where is the pegboard coming into play?
Laro13
Well-known member
Laro13
Well-known member
Knipex "mini" cobra 87 01 150
The handle/grip feels a bit to short for my hands, but we will see if it will get some use.
cheers, Jasper
The handle/grip feels a bit to short for my hands, but we will see if it will get some use.
cheers, Jasper
Thanks
Dimension of table are:
- length 1730mm
- Width 550mm
- Height 940mm
Legs 90x90x900 mm
Board 1730x5050x40 mm
Everything is made of oak, except back wall.
Back wall is made from plywood (imitation of oak) 1700x20x1000 mm, and will serve as pegboard. Just need to buy small hooks for hang spanners, pliers, hammers, screwdrivers...
Monte, thanks for encouraging me and here we have some more old goodies
USAG slotted screwdriver with same pattern as the PBSwiss, Not sure about coo but I am sure is made where was supposed to as it is dated at least 20 years old.
View media item 53596
View media item 53597
Brittool 1/2" extension and 22 mm socket Made in ENGLAND!
View media item 53594
View media item 53595
Allen Keys from Germany reading HF on them so it maybe HAFU? Probably soene here know more, Monte?
View media item 53584
IZELTAS Chisel not sure about coo I have to check again
View media item 53580
Pipe wrench - Stilson (I found the name of it) coo is Marabu???
View media item 53575
View media item 53574
Adjustble wrench by WEYERSBERG??
View media item 53572
USAG slotted screwdriver with same pattern as the PBSwiss, Not sure about coo but I am sure is made where was supposed to as it is dated at least 20 years old.
View media item 53596
View media item 53597
Brittool 1/2" extension and 22 mm socket Made in ENGLAND!
View media item 53594
View media item 53595
Allen Keys from Germany reading HF on them so it maybe HAFU? Probably soene here know more, Monte?
View media item 53584
IZELTAS Chisel not sure about coo I have to check again
View media item 53580
Pipe wrench - Stilson (I found the name of it
) coo is Marabu???View media item 53575
View media item 53574
Adjustble wrench by WEYERSBERG??
View media item 53572
Thought i'd post this here as seen similar model, have an old wolf drill that has lost its plate so don't know the exact specs of it, so curious about that and also the mods i'v done to it,
replaced the on/off trigger with a variable from a 1010w jcb drill, so far it seems to be working pretty well, i don't know the wattage of the wolf but i'm guessing its less than the drill the trigger came off, much easier to use it now as before you had off or oh **** speed.
and also forward reverse, i think the chuck unscrews but its on pretty tight and don't think it will come off in normal use, but at least it will get use now.
since taking pics the gearbox has been cleaned up/out, low gear has stripped a few teeth so grease was contaminated, used ultrasonic cleaner to clean gears, new grease and a nail added under the selector switch so it doesn't move, added more glue to hold cables and one of those tube things to limit electrical noise from a grinder added below trigger.
got more stuff i'l try get pics of later, some is at a friends house atm,
replaced the on/off trigger with a variable from a 1010w jcb drill, so far it seems to be working pretty well, i don't know the wattage of the wolf but i'm guessing its less than the drill the trigger came off, much easier to use it now as before you had off or oh **** speed.
and also forward reverse, i think the chuck unscrews but its on pretty tight and don't think it will come off in normal use, but at least it will get use now.
since taking pics the gearbox has been cleaned up/out, low gear has stripped a few teeth so grease was contaminated, used ultrasonic cleaner to clean gears, new grease and a nail added under the selector switch so it doesn't move, added more glue to hold cables and one of those tube things to limit electrical noise from a grinder added below trigger.
got more stuff i'l try get pics of later, some is at a friends house atm,
Last edited:
yes
Link ?Thanks, next project is welding table
Member old-air-performance made very interesting table.
Nice radio.
Looks a lot smaller than the previous model.
I wanted something which fits into the L-Boxx...
yes
Link ?
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=272532&page=2
Looks very good and well done
hautpot
Well-known member
Finally arrived! My dealer even upgraded me to the full size ASCM 18QX full size for free.
I love every aspect of it except for the electronic clutch, it seems mine is super strong even at torque setting one
Maybe I got a bad Fein? I did send USA Fein an email to see what can be done....
I will be being a Metabo LTX next Monte!
BONUS: I also purchased this Noga special Deburr, made in Israel.
I love every aspect of it except for the electronic clutch, it seems mine is super strong even at torque setting one
Maybe I got a bad Fein? I did send USA Fein an email to see what can be done....I will be being a Metabo LTX next Monte!
BONUS: I also purchased this Noga special Deburr, made in Israel.
Last edited:
Hi guys, can anyone shed some light on COO/OEM of this Stahlwille box?
https://www.bidbud.co.nz/956172173
https://www.bidbud.co.nz/956172173
Attachments
Thanks ! clever design !
nice drill !!Finally arrived! My dealer even upgraded me to the full size ASCM 18QX full size for free.
I love every aspect of it except for the electronic clutch, it seems mine is super strong even at torque setting one
I will be being a Metabo LTX next Monte!
iirc the clutch works different with different speeds...if in 1st gear and slow speed it drive the screws with less torque than 1st gear and high speed (iirc)
. It´s a heavy duty tool for larger screws.... For smaller screws they offer 10,8 volt tools....
Can´t go wrong with Metabo LTX !
Last Purchase, more on the way
Rau protective/workshop seat cover
hello from Finland Europe all. my 1st post here. Awesome thread. might take me a while to get up to date as i am now in page 100 or so. not sure if i need to skip few years or few hundred worth of pages...
i want to upgrade my ratchet sets to better quality ones. preferably really made in europe (or america). and this searching got me here browsing this thread. with lifetime warranty. smooth action and many teeths. got few hundred to spend.
any thoughts about Facom rs440e ratchet set? (1/4 and 1/2" ratchets).
i am not sure of are these still made in europe or are they chinese or somewhere in east. my friends facom sets made in 70s and 80s are still awesome but not sure of current quality anymore. like.. will they hold the sockets well, it seems they dont have that pushbutton locking the sockets.
or gedore 1919-90 (1/2" set). this i could get locally for about same price as the facom above that is sold in germany.
will i get better value in gedore than in facom set? (i know i need to buy a second set with 1/4" ratchet to have same amount of sockets as the facom set above.) something like Wera metallic Zyklop set looks interesting.
what would you guys suggest as euro tools that dont break the bank. (hazet and stahlwille ratchet sets seem to be abit too pricey in my mind, more than double of likes of gedore or facom previously mentioned)
my current midrange "no name" ratchet sets were 10year warranty tools and they have served me allright. they are now close or over their warranty age. getting worn and some parts have been lost/misplaced. brands like Bruder Mannessman, and IKH (but that likely dont mean anything, its just a name of the parts warehouse i bought them from, so they are just a set they collected from some company in china i think) the 3/8" mannesmann set needs a new ratchet atleast. (it is my car set, so it dont and cant be very expensive set in case of someone wanting to break in and steal it.)
and on top of these i do have some cheap junk chinese sets that i want to throw into metal recycling bin as soon as i get decent new "good" user sets. and then downgrade my current users to their place. tired of worrying busting my knucles when "forced" to use them (because lazyness of getting the better sets from somewhere inside or forgetting to take them with you.)
like said i got few hundred to spend and i thought to spend that money on something that might last my lifetime. i already started by ordering a set of open box 13 Stahlwille wrenches from tbs aachen. (i thought that was awesome price they had there now) and a set of stahwille double box end wrenches..
my pliers have always been knipex, bahco or nws.
my screwdrivers have been mostly wera and kamasa.
i used to have decent set of kamasa and old bahco ratchets and wrenches before they got stolen. after that, i had to replace them "temporarily"with cheaper brands. i am suprised that they have lasted this long.
not sure if i need to skip few years or few hundred worth of pages... i want to upgrade my ratchet sets to better quality ones. preferably really made in europe (or america). and this searching got me here browsing this thread. with lifetime warranty. smooth action and many teeths. got few hundred to spend.
any thoughts about Facom rs440e ratchet set? (1/4 and 1/2" ratchets).
i am not sure of are these still made in europe or are they chinese or somewhere in east. my friends facom sets made in 70s and 80s are still awesome but not sure of current quality anymore. like.. will they hold the sockets well, it seems they dont have that pushbutton locking the sockets.
or gedore 1919-90 (1/2" set). this i could get locally for about same price as the facom above that is sold in germany.
will i get better value in gedore than in facom set? (i know i need to buy a second set with 1/4" ratchet to have same amount of sockets as the facom set above.) something like Wera metallic Zyklop set looks interesting.
what would you guys suggest as euro tools that dont break the bank. (hazet and stahlwille ratchet sets seem to be abit too pricey in my mind, more than double of likes of gedore or facom previously mentioned)
my current midrange "no name" ratchet sets were 10year warranty tools and they have served me allright. they are now close or over their warranty age. getting worn and some parts have been lost/misplaced. brands like Bruder Mannessman, and IKH (but that likely dont mean anything, its just a name of the parts warehouse i bought them from, so they are just a set they collected from some company in china i think) the 3/8" mannesmann set needs a new ratchet atleast. (it is my car set, so it dont and cant be very expensive set in case of someone wanting to break in and steal it.)
and on top of these i do have some cheap junk chinese sets that i want to throw into metal recycling bin as soon as i get decent new "good" user sets. and then downgrade my current users to their place. tired of worrying busting my knucles when "forced" to use them (because lazyness of getting the better sets from somewhere inside or forgetting to take them with you.)
like said i got few hundred to spend and i thought to spend that money on something that might last my lifetime. i already started by ordering a set of open box 13 Stahlwille wrenches from tbs aachen. (i thought that was awesome price they had there now) and a set of stahwille double box end wrenches..
my pliers have always been knipex, bahco or nws.
my screwdrivers have been mostly wera and kamasa.
i used to have decent set of kamasa and old bahco ratchets and wrenches before they got stolen. after that, i had to replace them "temporarily"with cheaper brands. i am suprised that they have lasted this long.
Welcome NonSenCe!
It's good to see some more Scandinavians!
I think Gedore offers good price/value balance in their sets, but feelings may have something to do with it too, and it's hard to beat Stahlwille on that! I have a bit of both, but I have to say I prefer my Stahlwille although the difference is mainly in how they look. Quality is excellent on both. (Not so on the spanners though. The smaller spanners from Gedore is a sad sight. You did the right thing buying the Stahlwille 13)
It's good to see some more Scandinavians!
I think Gedore offers good price/value balance in their sets, but feelings may have something to do with it too, and it's hard to beat Stahlwille on that! I have a bit of both, but I have to say I prefer my Stahlwille although the difference is mainly in how they look. Quality is excellent on both. (Not so on the spanners though. The smaller spanners from Gedore is a sad sight. You did the right thing buying the Stahlwille 13)
hautpot
Well-known member
Howdy NonSenCe, you will always find interesting in this thread!
The tools people post here I always end up buying
The tools people post here I always end up buying
NonSenCe - Good decision on the open box 13's, my shipment arrived today from tbs-aachen, open box 14's and stabil 20's. Couldn't pass up the deals they were having.
As Henning mentioned, it's hard to beat the Stahlwille socket sets. I decided to go down that route and purchased all of mine, used, from eBay.de (also a few bits and pieces from Hanico.com) and had them shipped down to this corner of the globe. For some reason I prefer Stahlwille's black handled drive tools. Here are some photos.
As Henning mentioned, it's hard to beat the Stahlwille socket sets. I decided to go down that route and purchased all of mine, used, from eBay.de (also a few bits and pieces from Hanico.com) and had them shipped down to this corner of the globe. For some reason I prefer Stahlwille's black handled drive tools. Here are some photos.
Attachments
Hello al and welcome NonSenCe,
I own in 3/8, a new pear shaped facom 72 teeth with no coo, a Halfords 45 teeth and some no name ones from years ago. Facom feels precise but very stiff and huge drag. Halfors has little drag but not so precise and the rest are quite smooth but coarse and feel that they will break if you apply much force
I was at TBS in Aachen a few weeks ago and compared the Hazet, Gedore, Stahlwille and Zyklop in 3/8 and 1/2.
Overall quality and smoothness, the latest Hazet and Stahlwille are the best and very similar.
Gedore has slightly less drag than the other two but it does not feel as tight and quality as Hazet and Stahlwille and it is huge size compared to the others.
Zyklop feels rough and so I pass immediately.
I eventually got 3 Stahlwille, one 3/8 453 QRN 80 teeth and two 1/2 512 QRN 60 teeth. They are smooth as butter and precise as Swiss watch.
Actually Hazet looked of a better finish and I would have bought it but only reason is that they were "bulky" compared to Wille.
I would say Hazet and Stahlwille are the Best.
I also have lots of wrenches from Gedore and they feel cheap on the hand compared to the wille and hazet. They may be good though but with the use they see as DIY user is hard to test.
I will get pictures soon and maybe a video with the drag noise from the ratchets.
I own in 3/8, a new pear shaped facom 72 teeth with no coo, a Halfords 45 teeth and some no name ones from years ago. Facom feels precise but very stiff and huge drag. Halfors has little drag but not so precise and the rest are quite smooth but coarse and feel that they will break if you apply much force
I was at TBS in Aachen a few weeks ago and compared the Hazet, Gedore, Stahlwille and Zyklop in 3/8 and 1/2.
Overall quality and smoothness, the latest Hazet and Stahlwille are the best and very similar.
Gedore has slightly less drag than the other two but it does not feel as tight and quality as Hazet and Stahlwille and it is huge size compared to the others.
Zyklop feels rough and so I pass immediately.
I eventually got 3 Stahlwille, one 3/8 453 QRN 80 teeth and two 1/2 512 QRN 60 teeth. They are smooth as butter and precise as Swiss watch.
Actually Hazet looked of a better finish and I would have bought it but only reason is that they were "bulky" compared to Wille.
I would say Hazet and Stahlwille are the Best.
I also have lots of wrenches from Gedore and they feel cheap on the hand compared to the wille and hazet. They may be good though but with the use they see as DIY user is hard to test.
I will get pictures soon and maybe a video with the drag noise from the ratchets.
Miskin
Well-known member
There is a guy here who destroyed some wrenches for fun...
Qualitytools
Well-known member
I've owned a number of BMWs made from 1984 to 1999. Can't recall any non-DIN sizes. I know this because when I bought a French car, I found out to my horror, I had to buy a new haul of ISO standard wrenches 16 18 21
I'm planning to buy a 2007 3-series series, no doubt more new tools will be required !
I found 21 MM on the lower control arm inner ball joint on my 2003 BMW 330i
Without rereading your fantastic thread all over again, am I right in saying that the Stahlwilles lasted the longest of all the wrenches (fully) tested?There is a guy here who destroyed some wrenches for fun...
Miskin
Well-known member
That is correct, but i stongly believe that if i had more time to test that Snap-On wrench i had, or the Facom, or even better the Gedore No6(the hardest i think 52 HRC), the winner would have been a difficult decision.
Welcome.
Before starting buying ratchets IMHO it's good to have a plan for the overall usage. If not you might end up with many.
Perhaps this will help:
Consider 3/8 drive to replace 1/2 in most cases. Lighter tools and way better where access is limited. My standard length 1/2 ratchets only get used when I don't have 3/8 drive socket/bit socket for the job.
Out of 30 ratchets I have these are the one I use:
1/4 - short slim small head.
1/4 - long flex head
3/8 short light slim.
3/8 long flex head
1/2 - flex head 450 mm
1/2 - flex head 600 mm on the shopping list.
Welcome to Garagejournal !
Here are some good prices for Facom: http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Aktionen_Reste_Ausverkauf_c863.htm
Ideal shovel
thanks everyone. (i am at page 114 now)
Yes. i know i will get all three sizes 1/4, 3/8 and 1/2. (before
) in metric size.
and in the 3/8" size i think i should get a flex head version also. (versality)
and in 1/2" size i kinda want a long handle ratchet also. ("more" power)
but these "specialist" tools i might get in more cheaper brands.
and yes.. i agree, the 3/8" size wrench set i have now has been very convinient many times in car repairs.
i now consider it the most useful size.. almost small enough with small enough socket sizes to fit everywhere, and almost strong enough and big enough for bigger nutz and bolts.
but the ratchet in this set is now getting worn out. (had to abuse it while ago by using too long extension pipe on the handle as extra leverage to open too stubbornly rusted bolt on "roadside repair".. and when i need to do that on cheaper set.. i dont trust it to last long anymore.. or another job like that)
but basically the socket set is still fine, so i could get by just by getting new ratchet in 3/8 size now (save some money).. the smaller and bigger sets needs to be replaced totally for conveniences sake. (the big set for those mean big bolts that need it.) and small for the fiddly stuff.
ps. side note: i never got the idea of screwdriver type of handle in socket set.. i just dont like to use those. and most nuts and bolts i tend to need to wrench at that screwdriver will not fit anyways.
slim head is one of the demands i also have for them ratchets. it seems that it always is a tight fit, one way or another. so size matters. (one reason i liked facom. they have small round heads) this is why i do wonder if the flex head ratchets would be the wisest choices to by. (sadly they hardly ever come with set of sockets and good case) one negative i have with my current 1/2 ratchet is that it does have a rather big sized head in it.
---
went on today to shop (briefly before it closed) to try the gedore 1919 set in my hand. had the clerk open the package and spent few minutes inspecting it. but i didnt buy it because it felt.. hmm. kind of clumsy.
it had very solid lockup with sockets (i couldnt get 15mm size on the ratchet on first try). everything felt robust, kind of heavy and therefore high quality.
but suprisingly there was something like metal shavings inside the extension.. didnt expect that kind of thing in this kind of tool. also it felt somehow "too industrial" in my mind for lack of better better word.
the sockets felt very strong walled and heavy. and the all metal construction with the inside panel beeing metallic too made me think of it beeing noisy rattling thing.
there was a kamasa set right next to it and that felt more dainty and light and with smaller sized thin walled sockets. the ratcheting action click sound etc wasnt as smooth as in gedore though. and the kamasa 1/4 ratchet ..well that actually felt more like a toy than actual tool i would dare to try to twist an tight 10mm bolt open.
didnt have time to test the beta tools they had. if i had known they had those i would of tried them too. they look pretty in pictures. (will try them some other day/week)
----------
ordered a set of cheap kamasa screwdrivers from ebay.uk while ago and they came in today. and yep.. dissapointed. i doubt they are not kamasa tools. they dont look or feel like ones.. so they are likely fakes just named "kamasa". (looks like it is this set: http://kamasa.co.uk/item.aspx?cat=451&item=3766) .. oh well they were cheap and i keep loosing/misplacing all my cheap philips heads, so they will find a place in somewhere. but once again.. if it sounds too cheap and its on ebay. it likely is not what you think it is. and one really shouldnt buy stuff online after 2 am.
---------
ps. to me that looks far from truly "ideal" shovel. blade shape for instance.. looks flat, no curvature at all to hold stuff in. very big bump in middle of the blade. and then the straight handle (no grip handle in the end)
Yes. i know i will get all three sizes 1/4, 3/8 and 1/2. (before
) in metric size. and in the 3/8" size i think i should get a flex head version also. (versality)
and in 1/2" size i kinda want a long handle ratchet also. ("more" power)
but these "specialist" tools i might get in more cheaper brands.
and yes.. i agree, the 3/8" size wrench set i have now has been very convinient many times in car repairs.
i now consider it the most useful size.. almost small enough with small enough socket sizes to fit everywhere, and almost strong enough and big enough for bigger nutz and bolts.
but the ratchet in this set is now getting worn out. (had to abuse it while ago by using too long extension pipe on the handle as extra leverage to open too stubbornly rusted bolt on "roadside repair".. and when i need to do that on cheaper set.. i dont trust it to last long anymore.. or another job like that)
but basically the socket set is still fine, so i could get by just by getting new ratchet in 3/8 size now (save some money).. the smaller and bigger sets needs to be replaced totally for conveniences sake. (the big set for those mean big bolts that need it.) and small for the fiddly stuff.
ps. side note: i never got the idea of screwdriver type of handle in socket set.. i just dont like to use those. and most nuts and bolts i tend to need to wrench at that screwdriver will not fit anyways.
slim head is one of the demands i also have for them ratchets. it seems that it always is a tight fit, one way or another. so size matters. (one reason i liked facom. they have small round heads) this is why i do wonder if the flex head ratchets would be the wisest choices to by. (sadly they hardly ever come with set of sockets and good case) one negative i have with my current 1/2 ratchet is that it does have a rather big sized head in it.
---
went on today to shop (briefly before it closed) to try the gedore 1919 set in my hand. had the clerk open the package and spent few minutes inspecting it. but i didnt buy it because it felt.. hmm. kind of clumsy.
it had very solid lockup with sockets (i couldnt get 15mm size on the ratchet on first try). everything felt robust, kind of heavy and therefore high quality.
but suprisingly there was something like metal shavings inside the extension.. didnt expect that kind of thing in this kind of tool. also it felt somehow "too industrial" in my mind for lack of better better word.
the sockets felt very strong walled and heavy. and the all metal construction with the inside panel beeing metallic too made me think of it beeing noisy rattling thing.
there was a kamasa set right next to it and that felt more dainty and light and with smaller sized thin walled sockets. the ratcheting action click sound etc wasnt as smooth as in gedore though. and the kamasa 1/4 ratchet ..well that actually felt more like a toy than actual tool i would dare to try to twist an tight 10mm bolt open.
didnt have time to test the beta tools they had. if i had known they had those i would of tried them too. they look pretty in pictures. (will try them some other day/week)
----------
ordered a set of cheap kamasa screwdrivers from ebay.uk while ago and they came in today. and yep.. dissapointed. i doubt they are not kamasa tools. they dont look or feel like ones.. so they are likely fakes just named "kamasa". (looks like it is this set: http://kamasa.co.uk/item.aspx?cat=451&item=3766) .. oh well they were cheap and i keep loosing/misplacing all my cheap philips heads, so they will find a place in somewhere. but once again.. if it sounds too cheap and its on ebay. it likely is not what you think it is. and one really shouldnt buy stuff online after 2 am.
---------
ps. to me that looks far from truly "ideal" shovel.
blade shape for instance.. looks flat, no curvature at all to hold stuff in. very big bump in middle of the blade. and then the straight handle (no grip handle in the end)Dave455
Well-known member
NonSenCe - you will find the Kamasa very variable!
It was originally produced in Japan, and was made to quite a high standard! I still have a 1/4 inch drive set from that era and it is superb! I also have a ball hex driver set with interchangeable blades, same applies! The prices were awesome too, and these were the first japanese tools to be sold widely in the U.K. I have a couple of genuine Kamasa screwdrivers from the 1980's and they are lovely!
Sadly, good things couldn't last, and the story I heard was that the Japanese family who owned Kamasa sold out to the Taiwanese. The Taiwanese stuff of that era was real **** and they couldn't sell it, so for a while they put the same **** in green boxes and sold it as Kamasa! It wasn't fake, as they owned the name, but it might as well have been!
If you are buying on eBay be really careful. If it's real 'Made in Japan' you will be fine, but I suspect the majority of the stuff advertised is not!
If you can't be sure, stick to ordering German made from firms like TBS Aachen (their prices are very keen if you are anywhere in Europe). You will never go far wrong with Stahlwille or Hazet. I know they are both costly, but worth it! The TBS special offers are awesome. I flagged these up in the U.K. Hot Deals thread! Maybe you should start a Finland Hot Deals one!
I also find much of the Gedore a bit industrial, certainly more so than the other makes, but it varies from product to product. I have some Gedore 1/4 drive and it is very flimsy compared to others. A friend has Gedore long series combination wrenches and they are superb! If I was buying ratcheting combination wrenches I'd buy the Gedore before any of the others as they are actually made in Germany! Most others are not, though I believe this is largely for patent reasons! Best to see before you buy!
In Europe I would also consider KoKen. Lovely tools, very high quality, but very keenly priced here! By far the largest range too, so my first choice for things like long/flex ratchets! (I use my long handle flex ratchets more than any others now, so yes I'd go for one of these. If I was buying new, maybe I'd just order the bits I really wanted rather than a set?
It's worth taking the time to look through the various catalogues/ websites too. Stahlwille, for example, produce a range of ratchets with all metal handles. These are vastly superior tho the regular ones in my opinion, but they don't promote them much!
When you start looking at things like long handles and flex handles, I'd definitely go for KoKen!
It was originally produced in Japan, and was made to quite a high standard! I still have a 1/4 inch drive set from that era and it is superb! I also have a ball hex driver set with interchangeable blades, same applies! The prices were awesome too, and these were the first japanese tools to be sold widely in the U.K. I have a couple of genuine Kamasa screwdrivers from the 1980's and they are lovely!
Sadly, good things couldn't last, and the story I heard was that the Japanese family who owned Kamasa sold out to the Taiwanese. The Taiwanese stuff of that era was real **** and they couldn't sell it, so for a while they put the same **** in green boxes and sold it as Kamasa! It wasn't fake, as they owned the name, but it might as well have been!
If you are buying on eBay be really careful. If it's real 'Made in Japan' you will be fine, but I suspect the majority of the stuff advertised is not!
If you can't be sure, stick to ordering German made from firms like TBS Aachen (their prices are very keen if you are anywhere in Europe). You will never go far wrong with Stahlwille or Hazet. I know they are both costly, but worth it! The TBS special offers are awesome. I flagged these up in the U.K. Hot Deals thread! Maybe you should start a Finland Hot Deals one!
I also find much of the Gedore a bit industrial, certainly more so than the other makes, but it varies from product to product. I have some Gedore 1/4 drive and it is very flimsy compared to others. A friend has Gedore long series combination wrenches and they are superb! If I was buying ratcheting combination wrenches I'd buy the Gedore before any of the others as they are actually made in Germany! Most others are not, though I believe this is largely for patent reasons! Best to see before you buy!
In Europe I would also consider KoKen. Lovely tools, very high quality, but very keenly priced here! By far the largest range too, so my first choice for things like long/flex ratchets! (I use my long handle flex ratchets more than any others now, so yes I'd go for one of these. If I was buying new, maybe I'd just order the bits I really wanted rather than a set?
It's worth taking the time to look through the various catalogues/ websites too. Stahlwille, for example, produce a range of ratchets with all metal handles. These are vastly superior tho the regular ones in my opinion, but they don't promote them much!
When you start looking at things like long handles and flex handles, I'd definitely go for KoKen!
Last edited:
actually, Kamasa Tools is from Sweden (like bahco and mora).
their production have been in japan and now days more in taiwan. (could be chinese too.. no company really wants to tell where every tool is actually made if it is made in country that has a "lower" quality stamp.) my old kamasa set that was stolen decade ago was japanese
koken. looks old skool. and pricey too as far as those that i found.
i do have to work in freezing temperatures sometimes so i do want some kind of plastic handle in my main tools. grip and comfort issue.
flexing ratchets.. i need to look more into those clearly. i didnt know that there are flex heads that one can lock in to place. (the ones i have seen have been cheap and freely flopping style and i didnt like them..) but ability to lock the angle of the head.. yeah that is cool idea.
EZred was brand i saw with such feature.. never heard of them.
gearwrench also seems to offer them.. strange brand also..
their production have been in japan and now days more in taiwan. (could be chinese too.. no company really wants to tell where every tool is actually made if it is made in country that has a "lower" quality stamp.) my old kamasa set that was stolen decade ago was japanese
koken. looks old skool. and pricey too as far as those that i found.
i do have to work in freezing temperatures sometimes so i do want some kind of plastic handle in my main tools. grip and comfort issue.
flexing ratchets.. i need to look more into those clearly. i didnt know that there are flex heads that one can lock in to place. (the ones i have seen have been cheap and freely flopping style and i didnt like them..) but ability to lock the angle of the head.. yeah that is cool idea.
EZred was brand i saw with such feature.. never heard of them.
gearwrench also seems to offer them.. strange brand also..
If you want very good long flex head ratchet with comfort grip I recommend Snap On.
Expensive yes, but there is no compromise involved. The longer Snap On dual 80 handles are absolutely fantastic. If you find anything comparable for less price - please let me know.
Expensive yes, but there is no compromise involved. The longer Snap On dual 80 handles are absolutely fantastic. If you find anything comparable for less price - please let me know.
clumsy ? Heavy Duty
Silver paint maybe ? The inside of a square is difficult to plate so there might be discolorations in the surface so the inside is painted for the looks.
noisy and rattling if you shake it all day...yes
...AND lasts forever....Do you own stuff made out of plastic or foam which is lets say 50 years old ? still intact ? Wiha, Witte, PB Swiss, Schröder, Wera.....
ps. to me that looks far from truly "ideal" shovel.
There is a curve in it You also can get the shovels with T-handles or mount a D-handle http://www.idealspaten.de/produkte/grabewerkzeuge/schaufeln/
The shovel i bought is the standard type of shovel in Germany and used on every construction site and everywhere else
From a subjective point of view imho this is the strongest looking flex head ratchet: (can be locked too)
Ha ! nice ! I have almost the same one
Festool sanding block
upgrading
Well-known member
You got some great stuff.JUNGK Tools NOS.
superautobacs
Well-known member
JUNGK Tools NOS.
The machining is just superb on them. True sign of craftsmen who had dignity and pride over what they made. I almost want to say that plier makers of today, running an automated machining facility, won't care to produce finishing like that.
clumsy ? Heavy Duty
Perhaps they aren't the choice for the automotive industry, but are perfectly suited for the industries dealing with plant maintenance, agriculture, mining, construction, etc. From a subjective point of view imho this is the strongest looking flex head ratchet: (can be locked too)
When I saw one in person, I was like, "WOW, now that's a robust looking flex head
" That 1/4" drive head looked like it was perfectly suitable for a 1/2" drive flex. That Carolus is a 1/2" drive for scale.
Attachments
made my choice..
its 3 am friday night.. im online.. paypal ready..
normally i would say that is one of worst times to buy anything.. one makes bad choices at this hour. hjahah. midnite-shoppin is often bad idea.
anyways i ordered a small HAZET ratchet and socket set. 3/8" version.
specifically Hazet 880N-1. its got 10mm-15mm, +17, 19, 21 and 22mm sockets.
paid about 170$ for it. now i just have to anxiously wait for it to come from germany. late next week hopefully.
------
still thinking of the other sets, undecided what to get.
its 3 am friday night.. im online.. paypal ready..
normally i would say that is one of worst times to buy anything.. one makes bad choices at this hour. hjahah. midnite-shoppin is often bad idea.
anyways i ordered a small HAZET ratchet and socket set. 3/8" version.
specifically Hazet 880N-1. its got 10mm-15mm, +17, 19, 21 and 22mm sockets.
paid about 170$ for it. now i just have to anxiously wait for it to come from germany. late next week hopefully.
------
still thinking of the other sets, undecided what to get.
superautobacs
Well-known member
Hrmmmmm. The ratchet that comes in the 880N-1 is an old-school 32-tooth mechanism with quite a heavy back-drag. I'm not sure if that matters to you or not. I can't stand that mechanism, whether it's a brand new one or a well broken-in oldy.
What other sets are you considering?
I have a question regarding the spanners Hazet 600N, after work I wiped it with a cloth and balistol oil.
I noticed that my fingers from something shiny. Is it a protective layer on the keys or? It seems to me as if painted in spray...
Here are pictures:
I noticed that my fingers from something shiny. Is it a protective layer on the keys or? It seems to me as if painted in spray...
Here are pictures:
When I saw one in person, I was like, "WOW, now that's a robust looking flex head
That Carolus is a 1/2" drive for scale.
nice comparison shot ! yeah they simply could mount a 1/2" drive and sell it as mini flexhead ratchet since you started with Hazet....
i guess they might paint it where the tool is attached to the holder during plating.
dutchgray
Well-known member
View media item 53932View media item 53933Got a new Gedore 1/2" ratchet of eBay for a lot less than the normal price, very low backdrag 60 tooth quick release ratchet. Got far too many 1/2" standard length ratchets already but these are especially nice to use.