Tools from the old world

[hautpot]

WOW Etalon Slide Calipers! That is some fine, precise stuff.

 

[pozidriv]

That Vampliers packaging is so screaming! (and why is there a pokémon biting a bolt?)

Beautiful calipers!!

 

[hemdale]

Still don't understand why the green vamplier has its cap sold separately [emoji35]

 

[hemdale]

Ave convinced me to get a proper digi caliper to have consistent measures

 

[chrissalas1]

Hi Chris,

Thanks! Most of them have never or almost never been used (I am still at toolbox #1 with the "back-up tools" ;-)

Once I get to toolbox #2, these tools have been used at least sometimes. But I have to admit that I only occasionally work on my motorbike. Still, I feel it makes a difference if you have a high quality tool in your hands, even when you're not a pro. Not sure if it is psychological - but a tool that fits nicely just makes a difference in my opinion.

I think you are right.

 

[dede2897234]

those proto pliers look funky to me... like something you find in the discount bin at a store...

I bought them because I found this Proto-Germany combination very interesting, and the price was quite reasonable. Have not used them yet - somebody did and can say something about quality?

Reto,

I wouldn't worry about what Superbec said about those pliers. Like what Pureleaf said previously about them, they were made by NWS. They're high quality. The handles are chunky because you purchased the electrical insulated models. My advice to you is to use and put them through good use.


Dave

 

[Monte]

wow pretty cool Monte! I didn't know the 12v, 14v, and 18v can all fit. I wonder if i can fit my 18v ASCM battery into the new 12v tools

it don´t fit. The batteries fit in the light, but the 18 volt battery don´t fit in the 12 volt tool. There is a plastic stopper at the bottom of the tool. You could grind it away though

'New' Hazet items:

...and the mini-assi (160)!

sweeet ! How many assys do you have now ?

Pretty cool Monte.....I remember a week or two ago you said you would order one from your dealer and now you have it; does your dealer ship to US or Canada?

It´s from an small offline store. They only deliver with a car in the city

Facom France

nice Facom collection

Hazet NOS adjustable spanners from the 1920s. The smaller one is still original boxed in:

Some live news from Fein WSG 17-125 P

1700 watt !!! cool !! I want

Monte, how does it compare to the Bosch deciled?
cheers, Jasper

The ALED is more like a spotlight/flashlight, the DeciLed has a wider "beam", it´s more like a flood light. I´ll try to make some comparison pics.

Some news from pb swiss: the new t handle drivers

nice Garant T-handles ! Any close up pics ?

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Hi Reto ! Thanks for posting yours and your fathers tools here ! Please always keep them not only for reminiscence but also because "They don't make them like they used to"...

Proto Pliers Germany

I like them ! A american brand with "Made in Germany" tag is always exotic and interesting !

Still, I feel it makes a difference if you have a high quality tool in your hands, even when you're not a pro. Not sure if it is psychological - but a tool that fits nicely just makes a difference in my opinion.

...and you can feel like a pro...like you´re a professional motorcycle mechanic working with pro tools in your pro shop...without the drawbacks, like a boss

Pick your color....

pink is slowly taking over the tool world... first the US, now Japan, and soon the EU... ??

From my father´s toolbox (has of course lots of sentimental value):

even bought in switzerland









Guhring PowerTap machine tap + drill bit set

 

[hautpot]

Gühring makes exceptional drills! We always used those and Sandvik.

 

[jkuc003]

Ruko M4, 5, 6, 8, 10.


I should have gone with Guhring

 

[Snakevz]

Tools @ work [emoji4] in my messy garage [emoji21]

 

[chrissalas1]

Monte@
Are you going to use the guhring taps for hand tapping?

 

[Reto]

Here some Wiha screwdrivers. I really like these red transparent handles. And they don´t smell strange like the handles from the vintage PB Baumann drivers... Sorry for the bad quality pics.

 

[Reto]

Some older Facom screwdrivers - still available from an ebay seller in the US

 

[Reto]

SK France pliers

 

[Reto]

SK France screwdrivers (same as European Stanley Fatmax, I think)

 

[Exceller8]

Some bargain shopping:

Gedore set was $66 shipped (Amazon)

Facom (France) 10mm insulated wrench $12.50 shipped (Ebay)

 

[Peeb]

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[losvre]

They're an older style NWS if I recall right. And that eBay deal has been going on for a good half a year or longer. They're great pliers, long as you either need or don't mind the insulated handles. That seller also has Proto insulated Screwdrivers.

Many thanks for this

 

[Qualitytools]

Hello everybody,

I wanted to take a moment to thank everybody on this great forum for all the things I have learned about tools. My father was a mechanic, and sometimes I used his tools when I was a kid, but I didn't know the difference between a Hazet, a Dowidat, a Facom, and a cheap Chinese socket.

It was about two years ago that I wanted to have my own quality tool box (talk about 30 or years later from being a kid). I am a teacher (business, so no expert like many of you). Somehow I (innocently) thought that Craftsman was a great brand, so I started with a $150 kit from Craftsman. Then I discovered the Garage Board, and especially Monte´s Tools from the Old World. That was a live-changing event - especially for my bank account. Since then, I have acquired a good amount of tools from Germany, France, and similar countries, and I have learned a lot about tools. This forum has been amazing in this journey.

My father did let me use any tools, except the Facom combination spanners he had displayed on the wall, so I started collecting Facom because it connects me to my father who passed away three years ago. My reflection on this is that almost all our possession fade away quickly, but these Facom combination spanners will stay there, they don´t wear like clothing and they don´t get out of fashion like your IPhone. Thus, in my future posting, you will see a bias towards Facom. My father was from Switzerland, so guess what other brand is I appreciate... ;-)

I did not want to bore you with this story, but I wanted to share a little bit of my background. The initiator of this thread, Monte, is of course my hero - let´s applaud him for this ongoing journey that is record-breaking when it comes to the number of postings. And let's keep alive the super-friendly and constructive nature of this thread. Keep these **** pics of your tools coming

Thank You for sharing your story and your dad, I was touched!

 

[Monte]

Gühring makes exceptional drills! We always used those and Sandvik.

good to know !

Ruko M4, 5, 6, 8, 10.
I should have gone with Guhring

why ? no good ?

Tools @ work [emoji4] in my messy garage [emoji21]

Monte@
Are you going to use the guhring taps for hand tapping?

I will use these with power tools. I own hand tapping sets but it´s too annoying to cut every hole 3 times...

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more nice french tools !

Some bargain shopping:
Gedore set was $66 shipped (Amazon)
Facom (France) 10mm insulated wrench $12.50 shipped (Ebay)

nice










Varo trestle

 

[Monte]

Hitachi takes over Metabo...:
http://www.hitachi-koki.com/about/ir/financial/2015_fi/20151113.pdf

 

[NonSenCe]

once again after few days of not coming here to look at this thread i was rewarded with pictures of awesome tools (old and new). very cool.
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hitatchi getting metabo. somehow that is a sad news. but hitatchi is not a bad brand. i have their 10.8v drill and impact drill combo and i do like them. they were the cheaper option of two manufacturers i could find that my smallish/short fingered hand fit around the grip comfortably. (all others i found that day were like made in same factory with same designer sizing up the handle.. bosch, makita, ryobi, milwaukee, all had too thick handle to my liking and only came with pistol magazine style battery in the kit.) but the hitachi had an "old style" square base batterypack. (so it will stand on the battery on table if needed). the other brand: dewalt. (and they lost the sale just because 4 stores i went to didnt have any in their stock that day.. and i needed them at the very moment. so hitachi won.)

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ordered a WIHA 6 tool set. it comes with a pouch that has 5 Wiha softfinish screwdrivers, and wiha linemans pliers. it was the last set they had left. 29euros (31usd). (if they had more i would of put the link to the " Euro Hot Deals" thread).

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not sure where to mention this.. but as alot of you are familiar how good pliers knipex cobras are i think you like this. i saw a neat "trick/hack" my friend do last week with Knipex Cobra pliers. he used them to crimp electrical connectors. the very base of the pliers is flat and you can use that part to crimp. one can close the pliers on the connector using very little power to crimp them. quick and easy.

tested it myself on few dozen connectors of different sizes (red yellow and blue) on scrap wires. and.. hmm.. i think i will be using the knipex cobras for this task from now on also.

 

[neophyte]

Hitachi takes over Metabo...:
http://www.hitachi-koki.com/about/ir/financial/2015_fi/20151113.pdf

WTF

Did Metabo start manufacturing part of its tool range in China to boost the value of the company before selling?

Do I need to quickly purchase any Metabo accessories and parts before they old stocks wind up at the recyclers?

Is Metabo going to keep the nice dark green color scheme, or is Hitachi going to replace it with a lighter green and annoy Festool?

Are all the newer Metabo tools going to look like a pair or Nike sneakers like the newer Hitachi tools do?

 

[rice rocket]

Sounds like they're going to let them operate independently for now, and then probably poach some tools for their own lineup (and probably let Metabo take some of their demolition hammers to market in Europe too).

I'd be interested to see what this does with their relationship w/ other German mfgs though, they're cooperating pretty heavily with Mafell right now and I'd hate to see that go away.

 

[rice rocket]

Translated from http://www.werkzeug-news.de/de/branchen-news/15/hitachi-metabo-1365.html :

Perfect gain for Hitachi
"Metabo is in our opinion a perfect reinforcement for us, as both companies are highly complementary in many ways," explains Osami Maehara, CEO of Hitachi Koki. "For us, this is a partnership of equals. Our clear objective is to grow significantly in Europe. This goal we get a very big step towards the acquisition of Metabo. We have the utmost respect for the excellent results that has reached the Metabo team in recent years. Therefore, we will not only lead Metabo as an independent brand, but as a company within a company and allow him the independence that it needs to continue this success in the future. "

For Garbrecht the strengths of Metabo with the typical advantages of a large organization, like many advantages is in his own words in the foreground, in the shopping area, a complementary presence in the markets, a dense logistics and distribution network or large resources in research and development to combine , In sum, the resulting excellent prospects for Metabo. Close cooperation within the new corporate interconnection offer for example in the engine or the advancement of battery technology major advantages.

Location Nürtingen creates proximity to European markets
Hitachi is according to the specifications of Maehara all employees including the management to the Chief Executive Officer Horst W. Garbrecht and CFO Eric Oellerer accept. The location Nuertingen offers Hitachi excellent opportunities zoom zurücken with development, product management, production and marketing under one roof closer to the European markets. Oellerer sees in the takeover by Hitachi great opportunities. "We have used in the past, our medium strengths to compensate for the disadvantages compared to our larger competitors. We have discussed in detail many conversations with those responsible at Hitachi. We agree that these strengths, such as flexibility, short, fast decision-making, courage and a high pace of innovation, must be preserved. The recent diseconomies however we can compensate honored by belonging to Hitachi. The ability to combine these advantages, Hitachi makes an ideal partner for Metabo "explains Oellerer.

Focus On battery range
A very important point is loud Garbrecht mind that both Hitachi and Metabo focus on the promising segment of the battery-powered electric tools for years. Hitachi offers a wide range of wireless products and a strong 18 volt platform including a first-class technology in the field of brushless motor systems. At the same time Metabo has conquered with a number of world firsts, such as the recent extremely powerful LiHD technology, the technology leadership in the cordless range and a strong position in Europe. "I am convinced that the future of all power tool manufacturers in the field of battery is chosen. With Hitachi together we have the best starting position that we could ask for, "says Garbrecht.

In sum, the two brands complement his view very well. Hitachi belong in the Japanese home market of the leading suppliers and have in the rapidly growing Asia-Pacific market as a whole a very good market position. Metabo contrast achieved the majority of its sales in Europe. As regards the branches, have Hitachi based on the excellent reputation of its heavy drill and chisel hammers for example in the construction industry a strong position while Metabo is very well positioned particularly in the metalworking sector, but also in the building trade and the renovation. According Garbrecht the excellent supplement covers on many different product groups. Another strength of Hitachi are for example pneumatic tools and nailers or the large range of machines in the outdoor area.

 

[jkuc003]

As long as Fein stick to their guns I'll be happy.


Stahlwille 1/2" speed brace

 

[losvre]

Our world is nice because of the variety and unique features of every partbofbot, be it humans, animal, whatever.

When the authenticity is lost then there is nothing left.

Imagine that you buy a Mercedes, get home and when you open the bonnet you find that the engine is a Hyundai and the body is made in Egypt. How would you feel?

I hate seeing all these happening around me!

Damn!!!!

 

[losvre]

Ι say that all these words from executives are plain boltshit.

A takeover and consolidation is not good for anyone except the CEOs that get the bonuses. Everyone else looses; the employees, the families, the consumers and sometime whole cities or even countries.

This is called Corporape where only a few get everything.

Have a good wkd all

 

[Tony21]

Has anyone tested multiple screwdriver brands, and can advise on reliable screwdriver tips?
I am willing to buy new ones and I will probably buy a set with full tip assortment. This is a huge amount of money, so I am trying to collect info before buying
thanks

 

[jetdawg]

Wow that is huge news.

 

[rice rocket]

Ι say that all these words from executives are plain boltshit.

A takeover and consolidation is not good for anyone except the CEOs that get the bonuses. Everyone else looses; the employees, the families, the consumers and sometime whole cities or even countries.

This is called Corporape where only a few get everything.

Have a good wkd all

lolz.

So what was your evaluation of the 2012 takeover of Metabo by Chequers Capital? All of that progress they made was awful for everyone, except the ones filling their coffers?

We should draw the conclusion then, that other corporations trying to expand their market share are more nefarious private equity firms? What kinda bizzarroworld do you live in?

 

[losvre]

lolz.

So what was your evaluation of the 2012 takeover of Metabo by Chequers Capital? All of that progress they made was awful for everyone, except the ones filling their coffers?

We should draw the conclusion then, that other corporations trying to expand their market share are more nefarious private equity firms? What kinda bizzarroworld do you live in?

I have no time to follow all these merging of companies but since you know more about Metabo maybe this is the second step. The third one could be when they move production elsewhere and possibly the quality drops.

Of course I maybe totally wrong, that is my opinion though from my experience of the "restructuring" in companies I have worked for in the Last 20 years.

I have old AEG, Bosch and Black & Decker still working for over 30 years.

Lately I bought some more of them but I have had to warranty most

 

[Monte]

We will see what happens with Metabo....on the short run i guess everything will stay like it is, but on the long run..... Do you remember what happend to Elu, AEG or Milwaukee.......?

Imagine that you buy a Mercedes, get home and when you open the bonnet you find that the engine is a Hyundai and the body is made in Egypt. How would you feel?

If you own a A-class or B-class Benz then the engine might be from Renault.... If you own a Mercedes Citan then you own a Renault Kangoo...

 

[Kensgarage]

I never got overly excited about Metabo anyway.Another company with half-assed distribution network.Their angle grinders were always damn good.I pounded a many.They're as good as any. No better than a Makita or Bosch.
Maybe a bit less vibration.I like their consumables a lot. Dunno who actually makes them ? Monte ? Hermes ? Pferd ?

 

[losvre]

We will see what happens with Metabo....on the short run i guess everything will stay like it is, but on the long run..... Do you remember what happend to Elu, AEG or Milwaukee.......?

If you own a A-class or B-class Benz then the engine might be from Renault.... If you own a Mercedes Citan then you own a Renault Kangoo...

Monte you are right!

I still have my Golf MK4 serviced by my self and drives like new after 225K miles or 360K km.

Not in a rush for a new car but I was thinking for an Alfa Romeo with more hp and double wishbones.

I will keep the golf though because it does everything well and as a back up&#55357;&#56833;

 

[rice rocket]

Klingspor makes a lot of their abrasives, flap discs and sanding belts for sure (most made in the USA). Not sure who makes their grinding discs, most of those I see are made in Germany.

 

[hautpot]

World renowned bolt cutters! They are fantastic! I accidentally purchase American version of bent nose pliers

, no chrome plating

cutting nails brings much satisfaction with mini bolt cutters

 

[hemdale]

Let's hope Fein will not be acquired by Panasonic anytime soon. [emoji52]

 

[losvre]

Ruko M4, 5, 6, 8, 10.


I should have gone with Guhring

What's wrong with Ruko, I thought they are very good?

Thanks

 

[neophyte]

Let's hope Fein will not be acquired by Panasonic anytime soon. [emoji52]

Panasonic already produces some of their cordless tools in a joint venture with Hilti.