Tools from the old world

[dutch79]

sweeet ! How many assys do you have now ?

I just added a garage topic, so see for yourself
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310228

 

[Qualitytools]

I just added a garage topic, so see for yourself
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310228

Very Nice indeed!

 

[Monte]

.I like their consumables a lot. Dunno who actually makes them ? Monte ? Hermes ? Pferd ?

It seems they have various suppliers (Made in Germany, Made in EU or China...) In the US market they also sell made in USA products....So it´s difficult to tell. Sometimes it also might change or there are several versions (Saw cutting discs "Made in Germany" but also "Made in EU")

Monte you are right!
I still have my Golf MK4 serviced by my self and drives like new after 225K miles or 360K km.
Not in a rush for a new car but I was thinking for an Alfa Romeo with more hp and double wishbones.
I will keep the golf though because it does everything well and as a back up

K.I.S.S. principle: If it drives, keep it

Let's hope Fein will not be acquired by Panasonic anytime soon. [emoji52]

As long as the owner family don´t want to sell.....

I just added a garage topic, so see for yourself
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310228

Teaser pic:

 

[Mitkoasd]

Je suis parisien...

 

[rice rocket]

Panasonic already produces some of their cordless tools in a joint venture with Hilti.

As does Makita, pull up their recip saws and compare.

And Fein uses Milwaukee to make their impact driver/wrenches....in China.

 

[jkuc003]

What's wrong with Ruko, I thought they are very good?
Thanks

Oh, sorry, I may have given you the wrong idea, I do like the Ruko taps, and use them a lot, but I think Guhring are the better manufacturer - quality control etc.

I have quite a bit from Ruko, mainly twist drills, they are great compared to 99% of manufacturers out there but I only purchased them over Guhring as there is a dealer near by.

Im also not 100% sure where the Ruko items are made... Any insight would be awesome.

Monte, how come you went with spiral point over spiral flute if you are only going to be using them for power tapping?

 

[PureLeaf]

As does Makita, pull up their recip saws and compare.

And Fein uses Milwaukee to make their impact driver/wrenches....in China.

My metabo PSE 1200 reciprocating saw is shared with Porter Cable. Oddly too for a german company, its made in the USA. So maybe its Porter Cable that produces it?

 

[dutchgray]

My metabo PSE 1200 reciprocating saw is shared with Porter Cable. Oddly too for a german company, its made in the USA. So maybe its Porter Cable that produces it?

Makes sense to me since America is the home of the recip saw, not many builders have one here, I do (that Makita) but only because we use it with masonry cutting blades for cutting out brickwork, where it excels. One of the Electricians we use has one but that's it from all the trades that I work with.

 

[rice rocket]

Ridgid also sold Metabo grinders for a while.

Snap-On sells Metabo grinders and recip saw as well.

What's this world coming to?

 

[Monte]

As does Makita, pull up their recip saws and compare.

Makita 90.-$, Hilti 180.-$....

another Makita:
Hilti version:
https://www.us.hilti.com/cutting,-sawing-&-grinding/cutting-&-grinding/angle-grinder/2075615

Makita:
http://makitausa.com/en-us/Modules/Tools/ToolDetails.aspx?Name=GA7020

169.-$ from Hilti, 375.-$ from Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009KZKCG8/?tag=atomicindus08-20

And Fein uses Milwaukee to make their impact driver/wrenches....in China.

unfortunately

Monte, how come you went with spiral point over spiral flute if you are only going to be using them for power tapping?

http://www.threadtools.com/Files/Taps technical info.pdf
I want to use them for through holes and the spiral point is the recommended type. Spiral flute is for bottom holes i think.

 

[jkuc003]

http://www.threadtools.com/Files/Taps technical info.pdf

I want to use them for through holes and the spiral point is the recommended type. Spiral flute is for bottom holes i think.

That's understandable, I use mine in my drill press, mainly for through holes but on the rare occasion a blind hole and works a treat.


Neat little sample from a toolbox company, was enquiring about finishes for a big box, the guy told me he would coat and send me a small piece of scrap as a sample, this turned up, the finish is very close to my old Stahlwille socket sets, awesome.

 

[Monte]

My metabo PSE 1200 reciprocating saw is shared with Porter Cable. Oddly too for a german company, its made in the USA. So maybe its Porter Cable that produces it?

another Porter Cable from a german company:

and another:

Ridgid also sold Metabo grinders for a while.
Snap-On sells Metabo grinders and recip saw as well.
What's this world coming to?

Dewalt also sells Metabo

Walter too

That's understandable, I use mine in my drill press, mainly for through holes but on the rare occasion a blind hole and works a treat.

yeah should work too !

Neat little sample from a toolbox company, was enquiring about finishes for a big box, the guy told me he would coat and send me a small piece of scrap as a sample, this turned up, the finish is very close to my old Stahlwille socket sets, awesome.

the paint looks nice ! The box too ! for free !?!? NZ$ 80.-

 

[Lofthouse]

New Bernstein tweezer

:

they look identical to my Aldi Workzone

 

[jkuc003]

yeah should work too !

the paint looks nice ! The box too ! for free !?!? NZ$ 80.-

Yes paint is really nice, great little car/boat box, with a few spanners, screwdrivers, hammer, pliers etc.

I called to see if he wanted any money but he said no. I have already spent a lot of money with them though

 

[hemdale]

So in a nutshell, which German manufacturers are making their OWN stuff without any rebranding or cobranding stuff or buying items elsewhere ?

 

[Blöckw@rt]

DUSS !!!! ....only the vacs are from Starmix.

 

[jetdawg]

Makita 90.-$, Hilti 180.-$....

another Makita:
Hilti version:
https://www.us.hilti.com/cutting,-sawing-&-grinding/cutting-&-grinding/angle-grinder/2075615

Makita:
http://makitausa.com/en-us/Modules/Tools/ToolDetails.aspx?Name=GA7020

169.-$ from Hilti, 375.-$ from Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009KZKCG8/?tag=atomicindus08-20

unfortunately


http://www.threadtools.com/Files/Taps technical info.pdf
I want to use them for through holes and the spiral point is the recommended type. Spiral flute is for bottom holes i think.

Makita also makes circular saws for hilti among other things.

 

[rodsnratfinks]

Makita also makes circular saws for hilti among other things.

Which model?

 

[losvre]

DUSS !!!! ....only the vacs are from Starmix.

I am actually looking at DUSS. I have never heard this brand until your signature caught my attention!

 

[mr_jack]

Je suis parisien...

Oh, please stop watching BG medias ...

And don't feel sorry for a piece of s**t nation that half of the world doesn't care for ...

 

[Reto]

Facom France Offset (plus one Dowidat which somehow sneaked into the set ;-)

 

[rune-hammer]

My local grocery store stocks some tools cause I live out on the country side and it's quite common here that the stores carry a bit of what the locals might need, and there are a lot of farmers here. Some of these stores have been around for decades and if lucky you can find some really old stuff that have been sitting on the shelves for ages.
Found some ironside wrenches, these are in their current lineup, the back says made in germany, anybody have any clue who made them?

 

[Monte]

Yes paint is really nice, great little car/boat box, with a few spanners, screwdrivers, hammer, pliers etc.

I called to see if he wanted any money but he said no. I have already spent a lot of money with them though

or bicycle box
sounds like a nice store

So in a nutshell, which German manufacturers are making their OWN stuff without any rebranding or cobranding stuff or buying items elsewhere ?

DUSS !!!! ....only the vacs are from Starmix.

what he said
If you don´t count vacuums:
Baier would be on 2nd place since they buy 1 tool (at least the motor)
Festool: 2 ?
Kress: i think they buy 3 tools elsewhere
Mafell: i guess 4 tools (3 cordless drills + 1 router)
....

Makita also makes circular saws for hilti among other things.

what actually does Hilti manufacture themself.....? Rotary hammers in Austria, some stuff in Lichtenstein...and...?....

 

[Reto]

Hazet Torque Wrenches. Disclaimer: Photos "in use" are for illustrative purposes only" ;-)

The 10 and 8mm hex keys are Bondhus USA (really like them) and the adapter from 1/2 to 3/8 is Craftsman USA.

 

[upgrading]

Hazet Torque Wrenches.

Looking good.
How many oil wells did you have to sell to get them ?

 

[neophyte]

or bicycle box
sounds like a nice store


what he said
If you don´t count vacuums:
Baier would be on 2nd place since they buy 1 tool (at least the motor)
Festool: 2 ?
Kress: i think they buy 3 tools elsewhere
Mafell: i guess 4 tools (3 cordless drills + 1 router)
....

what actually does Hilti manufacture themself.....? Rotary hammers in Austria, some stuff in Lichtenstein...and...?....

Suhner looks like it manufactures most of its own stuff, except maybe the cordless line they recently came out with. They did get the front sections for some of their tools like specialty sanders, but I think they may be producing those parts themselves now.



Back pre 2012 when Hilti was being sold thru Home Depot, a large number of the flagship Hilti tools were being made in Liechtenstein. This included the top end circular saws, reciprocating saws, screwguns, rotary hammers, jigsaws, etc. A lot of this production has been shifted elsewhere, and they definitely don't manufacture some of their tool lines themselves, but they do own a number of production facilities, some of which are used to produce tools or components.

According to Hiltis's Co. history page.

"1950-1959, Construction of the main plant in Schaan, Liechtenstein."

"1960-1969, Set up of Mauren, Liechtenstein facility as assembly plant for powder-actuated tools. Inclusion of Torna rotary hammer drill production."

"1970-1979, Establishment of production facility in Thüringen, Austria; Hilti’s first plant on foreign ground. Takeover of a production facility in Kaufering, Germany. Acquisition of a plastics plant in Strass, Germany."


"1980-1989, Establishment of a chisel manufacturing facility in Kecskemét, Hungary."

"1990-1999, Inauguration of a new production plant in Zhanjiang, China."

"2000-2009, Hilti's manufacturing plant in Zhanjiang, China expanded by 50%. Opening of the production facility in Shanghai, China. Production of small power tools and the corresponding motors is relocated to the Hilti plant at Shanghai. Opening of the new plant in Matamoros, Mexico. Acquisition of Diamond B, based in Los Angeles, USA; manufacturer of accessories for heavy-duty diamond tools. Hilti and Panasonic found a joint venture in China for manufacturing Hilti cordless screwdrivers."

"2010, Purchase of a majority of Bhukhanvala Diamond Systems Private Ltd. in India to strengthen the diamond tool accessories business. Hilti und Trimble expand partnership with joint venture in the field of measuring technologies Inauguration of plant expansions in Kaufering and Strass, Germany. Shift of the Mauren, Liechtenstein plant’s assembly lines to Thüringen, Austria and Schaan, Liechtenstein."

I'm not sure whether the joint ventures can really be described as Hilti manufacturing their items themselve, and some of the production centers are likely for manufacturig fasteners and other hardware, but they do actually own more of their manufacturing than I might have thought.

 

[jkuc003]

or bicycle box

sounds like a nice store

Actually, I just remembered, the owner of this company told me they used to make toolboxes for Stahlwille back in the day. I can only assume they were only for the NZ market.

 

[Vinko]

New Bernstein tweezer

they look identical to my Aldi Workzone

I'd be interested in what work holding stands (maybe with or without rolls) are being made in Germany or other parts of Europe. I think I bought a few with the Haberle 350 we have. I'll have to notice who makes them next time.

 

[Vinko]

Also -- not sure how entirely useful it would be, but I saw in this thread:

http://festoolownersgroup.com/other...ences-in-specs-between-good-brands-shop-vacs/

that Metabo offers an adapter for the Systainer on some of their vacuums.

I've got the ASR35 -- don't know if it's solely a US-model or not.

But I'd love to find an adapter just to have to carry more gear in a more organized way.

http://www.metabo.be/Toebehorencatalogus-handgeleid-elektrisch-gereedschap.24142+M5cb686e6626.0.html

A google search of several pages doesn't reveal if the ASR35 takes this part or if there's another part no. for that vacuum.

 

[Vinko]

Also:

got some Stahlwille screw drivers, wrenches and Reilang oil cans from Jens -- photos forthcoming.

Now everyone in our shop wants this stuff And the German stuff is more reasonably priced than the USA truck brands. Several people have commented they prefer the "satin" of the Stahlwille to the polished chrome of the SO wrenches.

One initial impression (and it's purely aesthetic) is the Stahlwille finish isn't nearly as clean as the SO wrenches I have. Maybe it's just the models I have. I don't mind it at all though.

 

[Vinko]

what actually does Hilti manufacture themself.....? Rotary hammers in Austria, some stuff in Lichtenstein...and...?....

The Hilti Jigsaw I have is made in Lichenstein. I don't know what the COO rules for that country are (or for the EU in general - i.e. to what extent does something have to be "made" in such-and-such a country to be allowed to wear the tag "Made in"?) -- but I've found the Hilti jigsaw is my favorite. More so than the Bosch made in Switzerland. --- the weight, the feel, the handling. Able to do some scroll work with it too very easily. I've got a drill made(I think) in Switzerland that's top as well.

 

[Reto]

Looking good.
How many oil wells did you have to sell to get them ?

Oil wells are typically a little bit more to the north in Texas. Here at the border we import drugs from Mexico and export weapons back to Mexico. Alternatively, you can just sell a kidney or other bodily spare parts you do not really need... ;-)

But yes, they were very expensive, especially because I bought them when the Euro was still very strong. But I think still a bargain in comparison to Snap On

 

[Reto]

Dowidat metric offset.

I had three of them and was lucky enough to find a store in Germany via US ebay who had the missing sizes brand new and at a very good price with very reasonable shipping. Very happy with this set

 

[Reto]

Dowidat Offset No. 4

 

[rice rocket]

Also -- not sure how entirely useful it would be, but I saw in this thread:

http://festoolownersgroup.com/other...ences-in-specs-between-good-brands-shop-vacs/

that Metabo offers an adapter for the Systainer on some of their vacuums.

I've got the ASR35 -- don't know if it's solely a US-model or not.

But I'd love to find an adapter just to have to carry more gear in a more organized way.

http://www.metabo.be/Toebehorencatalogus-handgeleid-elektrisch-gereedschap.24142+M5cb686e6626.0.html

A google search of several pages doesn't reveal if the ASR35 takes this part or if there's another part no. for that vacuum.

Even though it's not meant to fit, some people have adapted it to work.


http://mafell-users-forum.freeforums.net/thread/55/starmix-vacs

Here's the white one from Mafell. This is probably easiest to import this one, as you can just call up Timberwolf Tools, give them the part number, and they'll have it shipped to you.

 

[dutchgray]

Those Dowidat No4 are lovely, can't be many sets of those around.

 

[Reto]

Mixed open end wrench set (all Germany)

 

[Reto]

Vintage Dowidat metric nutdriver 7 and 8mm

 

[Reto]

The following may be something Monte likes (not sure, though). Unfortunately, only four of them and not exactly the sizes I use most.

 

[Reto]

Dowidat - but no COO. Someone has any info on them?