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Reto

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And the Victorinox knife that goes with it (kind of...)

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Reto

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Victorinox chain for their knives
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Monte, here some stuff you could put on your key chain:

2014 Spartan Damascus

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This one has a bail and not a key ring - but it should work ;-)

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Another one with a bail...

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This one has a key ring! :)

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This one combines with my bike :)

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For the Chinese market, but not made in China

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Another one with a key ring:

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Now let´s get back to tools... ;-)
 

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That's odd, you've got 15A breakers? Here even the lighting circuits typically run off 230V 16A breakers. Hell, our 30 year old vacuum cleaner draws 2000W:scared:


20A breakers, but the plugs/outlets are 15A rated most of the time. 20A outlets are available, but not common.
 

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After i find out that my new Mitutoyo digital calipers was fake, i was very disappointed.
I decided my new digital caliper not to be a Mitutoyo (even though for 15 years I worked only with those) because fake Mitutoyo calipers are the majority on the net, especially on ebay.
So i bought these Swiss made Sylvac digital calipers. The small one is for a friend here...

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Nice calipers, I had never heard of the brand. But it is Swiss made so it must be very accurate and wellmade. :thumbup:

Tesa has also a nice line of measuring tools. http://www.tesagroup.com/en-gb/home/#.Vm8HhNLhBdg

I own a Gedore 711. Like this one: (but with two screws;))
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I don't think it is made by Gedore. It looks asian, who does know the OEM? Luckily I bought it on sale for like 50 euros. If your gonna pay the normal price (almost 100 euros), you better spent iton a real measuring tool brand.
And what are your experiences with digital calipers, mine uses a lot of batteries. I dont use it that often but the battery doesn't last longer than a year. No big deal cause a battery is cheap and fast replaced. I just need to keep one in stock :eyecrazy:. Or use the good old "analogue" Mitutoyo.
 
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Electric chainsaws are good for small jobs , around the house and quiet.I have had Makita/Dolmar 2000w for a while , good features!.The Dolmar PS-420 has a split magnesium crankcase , good price/quality.Here around 350 eur incl tax (But it is not the smallest and lightest 40cc saw)
I looked at several models around 3 HP and less from Stihl, Husqvarna, Dolmar and Hitachi. But all saws except the Dolmar PS 350 and 420 are made out of plastic. The cheaper stihls also have plastic tooth. What i did like about the Stihls was the see-through gas and oil tanks. I think Husqvarnas have the clutch on the outside ? Don´t like that too much. Hitachi: Simply looks too cheap :).....So Dolmar for me....best price/performance/features. A stihl etc. is 100.- more. Dolmar PS 420 SC cheapest price over here: 326.-€

What are 2000w small grinders good for? That is already 230mm grinder territory.
230mm power in a small and light package :)
Monte, here some stuff you could put on your key chain:
nice collection !!! Love those Alox models ! :drool:
2014 Spartan Damascus
Damascus steels blades are awesome !!!! :pimpflash:pimpflash:pimpflash

After i find out that my new Mitutoyo digital calipers was fake, i was very disappointed.
I decided my new digital caliper not to be a Mitutoyo (even though for 15 years I worked only with those) because fake Mitutoyo calipers are the majority on the net, especially on ebay.
So i bought these Swiss made Sylvac digital calipers. The small one is for a friend here...
nice calipers ! Hopefully these are original :)

















Ideal spade

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After i find out that my new Mitutoyo digital calipers was fake, i was very disappointed.
I decided my new digital caliper not to be a Mitutoyo (even though for 15 years I worked only with those) because fake Mitutoyo calipers are the majority on the net, especially on ebay.
So i bought these Swiss made Sylvac digital calipers. The small one is for a friend here...

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Hi miskin
Do you have any photos of the fake mitutyo calipers?
 

Miskin

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Nice calipers, I had never heard of the brand. But it is Swiss made so it must be very accurate and wellmade. :thumbup:

Tesa has also a nice line of measuring tools. http://www.tesagroup.com/en-gb/home/#.Vm8HhNLhBdg

I own a Gedore 711. Like this one: (but with two screws;))
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I don't think it is made by Gedore. It looks asian, who does know the OEM? Luckily I bought it on sale for like 50 euros. If your gonna pay the normal price (almost 100 euros), you better spent iton a real measuring tool brand.
And what are your experiences with digital calipers, mine uses a lot of batteries. I dont use it that often but the battery doesn't last longer than a year. No big deal cause a battery is cheap and fast replaced. I just need to keep one in stock :eyecrazy:. Or use the good old "analogue" Mitutoyo.
SYLVAC!
I worked for many years with Mitutoyo IP 67 and i was very satisfied!

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Never have issues with batteries even with the old black version, like the fake one, which always forget to push the close button. And we 're talking about professional usage. Back in the good days the caliper was working 18 hours a day flawlessly.

Now i'm working with Tesa the older model. It' ok, but have appearance issues...

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I don't know about Gedore OEM, but Facom OEM is Sylvac!

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nice calipers ! Hopefully these are original :)

Thanks, i bought a unpopular brand like Sylvac to avoid fakes.
 

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Man, I love Gedore very much, but come on Gedore :rant:
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I was very disappointed, this is after only one use doing suspension work on my vehicle, and I like my tools enough not to abuse them. It looks and feels even worse in person, pictures are not clear enough :sad:

Monte, is this normal? Is Gedore going the way of PRC :)

Take a look at the 13mm wrench destruction thread. Post #250 chart.
The Gedores did better than Hazets. Certainly nothing wrong with their hardness figures. Personally I prefer Stahlwilles though.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=201468&page=13



Brand--------------------------HRC--
Proxxon-------------------------45--
Acesa----------------------------32--
Gedore No7---------------------40--
Garant---------------------------41---
Matador 190---------------------41--
Garant---------------------------41---
Stahlwille-----------------------47----
Matador 190 old series---------38----
HR (India) Lidl------------------34----
Bost-----------------------------49 ----
Dowidat No6 12-13-------------38----
Gedore No6 14-17--------------52 ----
Unior----------------------------47.5----
IUS------------------------------47 -----
Izeltas---------------------------44------
Cobalt Ratcheting Wrench------45-------
Hazet 600N Beam--------------35---------
-------------open end------------- 34------
Hazet 603-----------------------40----
Facom 440----------------------44-------
Stanley 87-073------------------41-------
Snap-On-------------------------45,5----
Husky combi---------------------43------
Husky ratcheting combi----------40------
Craftsman USA-------------------39,5------
Pittsburgh-------------------------35?-------
Heyco 410 Maxline---------------44---------
Heyco 400------------------------28---------
Gedore 1B------------------------42.5--------
Beta 55 13-17---------------------43
 
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After i find out that my new Mitutoyo digital calipers was fake, i was very disappointed.
I decided my new digital caliper not to be a Mitutoyo (even though for 15 years I worked only with those) because fake Mitutoyo calipers are the majority on the net, especially on ebay.
So i bought these Swiss made Sylvac digital calipers. The small one is for a friend here...

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Very nice!

We use Sylvac extensively here at work and they are very good items. The best feature of the S-cal Pro vernier is that it switches on automatically when you use it. It is also IP67 rated which means it withstands contact with fluids and oils etc. Handy when using it inside the CNC.
 

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Very nice!

We use Sylvac extensively here at work and they are very good items. The best feature of the S-cal Pro vernier is that it switches on automatically when you use it. It is also IP67 rated which means it withstands contact with fluids and oils etc. Handy when using it inside the CNC.

TESA IP67 - Haven't seen much use so it is in very good condition. Seems accurate, switches off automatically and in general when I was looking around it came on top of the reviews with a few others, including the original Mitutoyo.

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Since we are talking about measuring devices, what do you think about the following. Is it worth it to have one? How is the accuracy of them and if you have any experince using them?

I want to buy one since I need to make some holes on the walls. Some people say that they lose the sensitivity over time - Is that true?

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i made the pics here:
www.sandhack.de

Bauzentrum Sandhack
Osterbrooksweg 50
22869 Schenefeld

They also have a small selection of Dewalt and Bosch Green as well as a larger selection of Makita and Bosch Blue (+Fein Multimaster).

Eibenstock offers several price categories just like Metabo, so a 120.-€ mixer with 960 watt made out of plastic is probably not as good as the 350.-€ mixer with metal gear case and 1800 watt. But in the higher price category you will find premium quality just like the higher priced Metabo tools, maybe no Duss quality but they´re in their own league...But if Eibenstock can supply drill motors for major mag drill manufacturers like Powerbor or Karnasch which means heavy duty use then i believe they offer high quality. The good thing about Eibenstock is that most tools are made here and that they didn´t change the tools too much from their GDR manufactured ones:
http://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-...hrgeraet,-eibenstock-ehm120/278222280-84-2036
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Zweihand-Boh...075130?hash=item4af5012dfa:g:23cAAOSwAKxWYAmS
So it seems they are reliable constructions.

Since you are from the UK you might be able to check out a couple of Eibenstock tools at your Makita dealer (!!):
these tools:
http://www.makitauk.com/products/construction/mixers/ut1600-paddle-mixer.html
http://www.makitauk.com/products/construction/mixers/ut120-mixer.html
http://www.makitauk.com/products/drills/diamond-core-drills/dbm080-diamond-core-drill.html
as well as other mixers and core drills are labelled "Made in Germany" and i´m 99,99% sure they are made by Eibenstock.

edit: their UK importer: http://eibenstock.co.uk/
some prices: http://www.rapidtoolsdirect.co.uk/category/paddle-mixing-machines

btw. here a company video:
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Hi Monte,

Do you think that Mafell sources their battrey drills from Metabo they seem identical to the one I have

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My Metabo - Made in Germany
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I was not aware of that, thanks for pointing that out. Very disconcerting. How do you distinguish fake from real ones? Are there any official sellers on ebay or online for the US?

Edit: Would you say this one, for example, should be ok?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IG46NL2/?tag=atomicindus08-20

This is not ok

http://www.banggood.com/Mitutoyo-6inch-0-150mm0_01mm-Digital-Caliper-Stainless-Steel-Electronic-Vernier-Calipers-p-1012111.html


Many calipers on ebay are fakes.
 
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I found this relic in my inspection room while looking through the drawers for some gauges! it was really abused by the previous inspectors and machinist, nonetheless very cool.

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I was not aware of that, thanks for pointing that out. Very disconcerting. How do you distinguish fake from real ones? Are there any official sellers on ebay or online for the US?

Edit: Would you say this one, for example, should be ok?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IG46NL2/?tag=atomicindus08-20

I've bought from amazon, that is genuine. Your safest bet is buying from an official distributor of Mitutoyo. Unfortunately, these calipers fall into the same demise as Nikes, Louis Vouton, Prada, and so on as counterfeiting targets. I usually order from MSC, as I know someone who can get me killer deals that noone can match.

If you have a machinist's eye, you can easily tell that the caliper is of poor manufacturing quality upon holding it. Other than that, don't cheap on your tools. If it is too good to be true, it probably is.
 
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I found this relic in my inspection room while looking through the drawers for some gauges! it was really abused by the previous inspectors and machinist, nonetheless very cool.

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It doesn't look that beat up. What's odd is that the indicator is calibrated in ten thousandths of an inch, but the tips appear to be sized in mm.
 

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Why do people quote/re-post ALL the pictures from previous posts and make this thread unnecessarily long????
 
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Because of Monte!

He likes photos and has threaten that won't answer question if we don't post photos:beer:

losvre, what I meant to say is that if someone posted five photos for example, and I liked the photos and wanted to respond to it, I don't have to include all the pictures that have been posted already in my reply/respond to the OP because it will be mundane and repetitive when you have to scroll through the same photos that have been re-posted over and over. I know it will require a bit of work to edit the quoted text, but its a good idea to keep the already massive thread organized.
 

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yes, the 18 volt and 10,8 volt drills are from Metabo

exactly !! :D;)

Monte vielen dank for your services so far:thumbup:

Magnifying inspection with real mirror and top price -
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Stanley adjustable knife that works better than the new ones!!!
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Various spanners- Original Britool, Smalcalda, WEP? etc. The Smalcalda has an exotic colour - really nice and no rust after so many years.

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Made in England pipe wrench
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Stanley no 4 plane 80 years old, made in England - Tested and super functioning
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PS: I will post the same photos after I get better pictures with a decent camera.:eyecrazy:

Thanks again Monte and all of you for the time and effort you have input this forum
 

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Original Mitutoyo looks like this
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You are right, i can't prove that they 're fake, so i erased the links. The only way to know is to buy one. :dunno:

Check some videos on YouTube, battery cap and the battery itself (LR44 instead of SR44).


My seller on ebay has sold a lots of them too. All feedbacks positive.
 

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Why do people quote/re-post ALL the pictures from previous posts and make this thread unnecessarily long????

If you think this is bad, spend some time in the garage sale thread. Its a strange quirk of this forum, i hate it, but this place is a lot of fun otherwise.
 

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This guy always does amusing reviews. Nails the counterfeit, the correct term for a product made to deceive.

 

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I am pleased to share that I have placed my order with ash for some Felo Tools!

Original Mitutoyo looks like this
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Actually there are three generation of that series of slide Calipers, that being the latest variation. I will find some time to take a group picture of all of them together at my work.
 

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I am pleased to share that I have placed my order with ash for some Felo Tools!



Actually there are three generation of that series of slide Calipers, that being the latest variation. I will find some time to take a group picture of all of them together at my work.
Yes, do that please because that's the reason I bought them, I was working with the oldest version in my previous work, those looked like the counterfeit.
 
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