Tools from the old world

[Monte]

@superautobacs: Thanks for all the translations !! still waiting for my koken swivel head ratchet - luckily it seems they`re ok (different ratchet mechanism)

At least the text from the magazine states that they (proxxon, ks) don`t operate their own factories so everybody knows then or could imagine where the tools are from...

Probably you`re right with the blades, still no answer from koken though....

@uksteve:
the pic from the blog is from april 2008, i don`t know if they still have them ? I only wondered why they say 100% made in japan on their website and then the customer receive italian wrenches (not that they`re bad but i wonder...(but i heard the polished Beta wrenches are "not from Europe"....) (pliers china)) Since they have several wrench manufacturers...why not buy from Asahi etc. ?? Plus now i wonder where koken source their ratcheting ring spanners and micro ratchets from...( 102NM, 102KM,103KM,137,138,139 etc.) And where do they buy their sockets from ???

I personally don`t like the screwdriver handles as a driver. As a pick tool or clip remover ok , but if you have to turn/twist something , the turning zone should be round imho
(and i think they`re impossible to clean up because of all the dirt/grime between the *******/dots.
PS: do you have a fax/phone number from koken ???

@uksteve: please call Mr Yamashita and ask why he buys the screwdrivers from Lancer !
and who are the 96 companies ?? No companies left for Ozat and Momento sockets ??

 

[Monte]

I can hear audio, but just get a green screen for the video

i think you have to install the window media player or something....a window should pop up.... it works here... ?

 

[superautobacs]

I couldn't have put it better myself....no seriously I couldn't.....superautobacs
don't know where you are getting your info from but it is bang on. I have had 4 ratchets replaced for new ones.

My source IS the source itself. I'm glad my translation skills are up to snuff.
I'm glad to know that your dealer is aware and have dealt with it. I ordered my multi-ratchet online and I don't know how I'd get mine replaced, short of going to Japan. What about you Monte? Did you buy yours locally or through the internet?

.... for 96 different tool companies Worldwide

That is A LOT. Can you tell us a few examples? I think I once said this on some other thread on GJ--that Ko-ken is or has supplied Beta with sockets. Is this true?




@Monte,
RE: Taiwan innovative

My comment was pertaining KS-tools and how they state in their advertisements that they are "Offering the best in German Design and Engineering", with their so-called "144-tooth" ratchet (it's actually 72-tooth). So, you've established that that's total BS.

But I agree. The modern day tool innovations are almost exclusively coming out from Taiwan and has been for more than a decade (I think?). ...probably more so in the last 5 years.

.... if you just focus on one thing and you can even make them here [Germany].

For sure.

Aaaaah yes, the plier wrench; I love them; every tool enthusiast should have one in their tool box....especially since it's a product from a history-rich, world-renowned company.

The Böcker video:
So, I can see that they are the OEM for several German companies, and they even do the packaging for Stahlwille. That's interesting and .

I wan't to become friends with that UPS driver, snoop in the back of the truck, and visit each factory he delivers them to.

yes those stanley handles look nice , i don`t like the name too much ...

Yeah, neither do I.....but when it come to their affiliate companies somehow we don't care.
One of each from 5 different brands; that would be interesting!

 

[Monte]

@superautobacs: No problem with my koken ratchet so far since i didn`t receive it by now I once ordered the 3776J (45 tooth swivelhead w/plastic handle) but received the "P" version (Metal handle - snapon style) the pics are somewhere here in this thread , but i returned the ratchet and still waiting for the right one. My local car parts wholesaler has 1 koken item in his catalog (14201M - wheel nut sockets) so i special ordered a bunch of koken tools .

Beta + koken: Just called the Beta distributor today but now is holiday season - more info maybe on monday....
Some sockets are for sure from koken like their patented impact sockets with aluminium inserts (koken AR14300 = Beta 720IA ) They also offer bit sockets with exchangeable bits, other things looks close. I couldn`t find impact sockets with plastic sleeves in the koken catalog ( Beta 720PL)

@superautobacs: i just quit my job and hire at UPS my special service will include to pick up the tools right after the plating process so they don`t even have to package them....i will take care of this....at home....

@uksteve: I wonder if the koken ratcheting wrenches are sourced from the USA ?

RE: stanley:
i have a glass scraper from stanley (USA) and a measuring tape (france) thats what i can recommend besides their Fatmax screwdrivers (oh and their "Multi grip" french style locking pliers - but we don`t have them here in germany... )

 

[Monte]

ooops only 1 tool pic on this page, that`s no good

 

[Moose-LandTran]

ooops only 1 tool pic on this page, that`s no good

DO WANT.

 

[Monte]

@superautobacs:

you said you`ll order in japan shortly ? Do they also have KTC screwdrivers ? if so maybe we could work out a deal .... i need one....
ps: do you have a SK dealer somewhere ??

I think I`ll get some of these for the collection (e.g. 4mm slotted 2,08 € and 1,27 € for the orange one + v.a.t.) I can get these here, from Britool they only have complete sets unfortunately...

Several month ago i contacted USAG and requested info where i can find USAG + Pastorino tools here, i contacted the german company which they told me but they didn`t get back to me after i told them that i`m only a private person and no company...

since i also want these:

 

[Monte]

DO WANT.

buy them

ps:
I somehow have the feeling that king **** offers NWS pliers.....
(and SKG screwdrivers)

 

[superautobacs]

I once ordered the 3776J (45 tooth swivelhead w/plastic handle) but received the "P" version (Metal handle - snapon style) the pics are somewhere here in this thread ...

Yes, I do remember that now.
How much did you end up spending.

i just quit my job and hire at UPS my special service will include to pick up the tools right after the plating process so they don`t even have to package them....i will take care of this....at home....

I would expect to see some packages at my doorstep whenever you don't have enough room to take things back home in your car.

I wonder if the koken ratcheting wrenches are sourced from the USA ?

You're onto something again.

RE: stanley:
My eyes tend to glaze over when I'm in the Stanley hand tool section.

I sure hope Beta and Ko-ken will answer your questions.

you said you`ll order in japan shortly ? Do they also have KTC screwdrivers ? if so maybe we could work out a deal .... i need one....
ps: do you have a SK dealer somewhere ??

No SK dealer here.
Not sure when I'll be ordering next, but we can definitely work something out for sure.

...but they didn`t get back to me after i told them that i`m only a private person and no company...

That's sad, eh. ....that they care not to deal with small orders. I guess it'll be pretty hard to find some Pastorino ones....unless there some Italian GJ members lurking here.

 

[superautobacs]

Just when we thought we had enough of looking at ****** handles, here comes along another family member :

 

[superautobacs]

ps:
I somehow have the feeling that king **** offers NWS pliers.....

Man, I seem to confuse myself between King **** and King Tony. Monte, are there any King Tony stuff in Germany? None here.


Nothing special but here's some Anex bits:

You can see how short the Anex bits are compared to a typical 1/4" bit. Good for confined spaces. I like how there's an indented "ring" that allows easy removal of the bit from the tool and bit holder.


One more. Everything except for the bit in the yellow holder is Anex:

 

[Monte]

nooooooooooooooooooooo no more ****** handles please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I`m done with ******* !

Nice tiny bits ! especially nice combined with your SEK bit ratchet i think !

yep you can get king tony here (but no king **** (i wonder how you can sell tools with this name in the english language room )), never saw them live but i also never asked if they have a dealer in my city
http://www.kingtonytools.de/
i somehow like the red/blue band around the sockets....
but i don`t know if the color ring hold up (anodized i guess ??)

The socket on top was blue somewhen too...

Yes, I do remember that now.
How much did you end up spending.


41,65 € net ( + 19% v.a.t.) Not bad compared what the list price is in japan..

I would expect to see some packages at my doorstep whenever you don't have enough room to take things back home in your car.

Look at my garage.... enough space ! You`ll never see anything !

You're onto something again.



RE: stanley:
My eyes tend to glaze over when I'm in the Stanley hand tool section.

hmmm all those yellow-black goddesses

I sure hope Beta and Ko-ken will answer your questions.

Beta ?I call them again and again and again and....
ko-ken ??? maybe....but I`m only a unworthy gaijin.....


No SK dealer here.
Not sure when I'll be ordering next, but we can definitely work something out for sure.

coo !


That's sad, eh. ....that they care not to deal with small orders. I guess it'll be pretty hard to find some Pastorino ones....unless there some Italian GJ members lurking here.

yeah but thats common, no hassle for them and no problems with warranty etc. (private 2 yrs. - business 1 year) ...
....or i just take a trip to italy to buy one screwdriver for 3€ only 1000 KM... (one way...)...

 

[Garage_Mahal]

Several month ago i contacted USAG and requested info where i can find USAG + Pastorino tools here, i contacted the german company which they told me but they didn`t get back to me after i told them that i`m only a private person and no company...

since i also want these:

Looks like the Pastorino is also made on the same line as the SK Expert 2 and the Bost. Check out the link I posted earlier in this thread if you want a nice set of the SK versions. K&G tools is always selling these sets at a resonable price.

 

[-B-]

Some new arrivals (PB Swiss) with a comparison to what they are replacing and some other cool tools. The chain tool is utter decadence this is a replacement for one stolen years ago , that was a gift from a good friend.

 

[Monte]

i think i need a new ratchet Heyco "Talenta"

tiny head....:

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[Monte]

Looks like the Pastorino is also made on the same line as the SK Expert 2 and the Bost. Check out the link I posted earlier in this thread if you want a nice set of the SK versions. K&G tools is always selling these sets at a resonable price.

they are all made in the stanley plant in France (Bost,stanley,pastorino,facom,sk,ktc,usag,britool,virax)

If you can get them for a good price i would buy a set they`re nice.


@ -B-: nice pics !!! sweet sockets - odd design - i like it

 

[-B-]

hex sockets with the evident swirls have been cut down by me. I think the PB will work out for week end netural work but not for daily we shall see.


I love the Felo pliers they are fantastic I will buy another pair as soon as feasible to replace many pairs of pliers in my work box.

One thing on the PB Swiss hex sockets they are only marked with the PB numbers good thing I do not need the numbers. (pro only tool?)

 

[superautobacs]

hex sockets with the evident swirls have been cut down by me.
.....
One thing on the PB Swiss hex sockets they are only marked with the PB numbers good thing I do not need the numbers. (pro only tool?)

I thought those hex bits looked like they were chopped. You do that once the hex gets chewed up, or for the length to suit your needs?

The sizes are clearly there, just like my set. Yours are 3,4,5,6,7 ?

Btw, how do you like that Proto ratchet? I've handled Proto stuff a few times in the past and I'm always unimpressed with their tolerance levels on the fitment side of things. Everything socket/ratchet/extension combination I've tried equates to a sloppy fitment...I suppose many don't mind it, but it's one of my peeves. Their ratchets are....uninspiring....and clunky.

 

[-B-]

I thought those hex bits looked like they were chopped. You do that once the hex gets chewed up, or for the length to suit your needs?

The sizes are clearly there, just like my set. Yours are 3,4,5,6,7 ?

Btw, how do you like that Proto ratchet? I've handled Proto stuff a few times in the past and I'm always unimpressed with their tolerance levels on the fitment side of things. Everything socket/ratchet/extension combination I've tried equates to a sloppy fitment...I suppose many don't mind it, but it's one of my peeves. Their ratchets are....uninspiring....and clunky.

I chop and grind bits to length as the longer they are the more likely to slip./off angle on most of the lower end fasteners. It is quite the process I do to not loose the temper of the tool. 3,4,4,5,6,8 in PB Swiss 13,14,15,4,,6,7,8,10 in the rail

Proto ratchet is ok it has as many teeth as my old S&K pros I have to use pear head ratchets for service. It use to be demanded that SO be used but I finally made good arguments against them as not re professional tools because of the on/ off stamed or printed on them. Beside the fact that all the guys are using coarse tooth ratchets that i can run circles around them with it. The ratchet shoe is the Big ********* no longer made I'd love to fined a 3/8 in 1/4 handle one now.


BTW ratchet got my full treatment cleaning, lapping, break in and "your sister snot"(TM) lubing.

 

[Monte]

I chop and grind bits to length as the longer they are the more likely to slip./off angle on most of the lower end fasteners. It is quite the process I do to not loose the temper of the tool. 3,4,4,5,6,8 in PB Swiss 13,14,15,4,,6,7,8,10 in the rail

Wouldn`t it be easier just to buy a bit holder for 1/4" and 5/16" bits and buy the bits in the right length ?

One thing on the PB Swiss hex sockets they are only marked with the PB numbers good thing I do not need the numbers. (pro only tool?)

I thought every tool has a serial number ? So you can check when your tool was checked in the factory ? serial number check

 

[Garage_Mahal]

they are all made in the stanley plant in France (Bost,stanley,pastorino,facom,sk,ktc,usag,britool,virax)

If you can get them for a good price i would buy a set they`re nice.

Do you have model names or numbers for the versions sold under USAG or Virax? I don't think a FACOM branded version of these was ever sold. So far I have:
Bost - Expert

SK - Expert 2

Pastorino - 384

Stanley - Fatmax x-65-***

KTC - MDEA/PDEA

Britool SM/SE/SES/SDx

 

[Monte]

The USAG and Facom versions are different.

The Virax drivers:

click

PS: nice overview !

 

[Monte]

Finally my rolling workbench arrived:

Gedore sparkplug socket with magnets:

 

[-B-]

Wouldn`t it be easier just to buy a bit holder for 1/4" and 5/16" bits and buy the bits in the right length ?




I thought every tool has a serial number ? So you can check when your tool was checked in the factory ? serial number check

Insert bits have a bad habit of not staying with the tool i will only use permanent or swaged hex sockets.

PB Swiss number on ther tools are useless if you need to read sizing ..... I do not need it as i know what size it is and what I need.

 

[Garage_Mahal]

The USAG and Facom versions are different.

I know FACOM pretty well, and I knew I'd never seen 'em. I have a pretty complete collection of the red, soft-handled FACOM screwdrivers. USAG makes some very "Swiss watch" looking tools, even the screwdrivers look like jewels. I'm guessing they are sold for a premium over the other Stanley associated brands.

The Virax drivers:

click

Thanks, looks like 3418 is the magic model number, according to their dreadful website.

PS: nice overview !

Thanks, it's a labor of love. I hope superautobacs has enough info to find a brand he can get his hands on.

 

[superautobacs]

Insert bits have a bad habit of not staying with the tool i will only use permanent or swaged hex sockets.

PB Swiss number on ther tools are useless if you need to read sizing ..... I do not need it as i know what size it is and what I need.

How about the bit holders that have a set-screw to secure the bit? Are those prone to loosening under repetitive use?

The serial numbers are really small to begin with and etched in an inconspicuous area of the tool though....


Regarding their serial #...
I find that not all PB swiss items have serial #'s on them, even if it's within the same series. ...an inconsistency in their production? I wonder if anyone else has noticed this.

 

[superautobacs]

I hope superautobacs has enough info to find a brand he can get his hands on.

I'm sure it'll help other people narrow down their preferences having them all shown next to each other....if they so insist in having one brand over the other like us.

 

[superautobacs]

Finally my rolling workbench arrived:

How do you plan to set up those rather deep drawers? The top three must be like 4" or so?

 

[Garage_Mahal]

I'm sure it'll help other people narrow down their preferences having them all shown next to each other....if they so insist in having one brand over the other like us.

Aren't they all Stanley in the end?

The Bost, Stanley and SK have the color coded handle tips for the screw style. That's a nice feature the others don't seem to have. Of course with the color variations, and some judicious overseas shopping, you could have completely different handle colors for each style of screw.

 

[-B-]

How about the bit holders that have a set-screw to secure the bit? Are those prone to loosening under repetitive use?

Pined or set screwed will not do just as prone to loose the bit as insert bit holders.

Even at a race I may use one size upwards of a 100 time in one day 4&5mm hex are the work horses .

 

[superautobacs]

Aren't they all Stanley in the end?

The Bost, Stanley and SK have the color coded handle tips for the screw style. That's a nice feature the others don't seem to have. Of course with the color variations, and some judicious overseas shopping, you could have completely different handle colors for each style of screw.

Yeah, just gotta try to avoid thinking that they're part of the evil Stanley giant.

Monte and I are gonna come up with some sorta arrangement so that we can achieve a colourful assortment of scewdrivers; would you like to be in on this, too?

 

[Diesel-Mech]

I thought every tool has a serial number ? So you can check when your tool was checked in the factory ? serial number check

I went over my PB swiss mini picks with a fine tooth comb and there are no serial numbers on any of them, several other guys here have said the same. I can only guess the smaller tools do not receive serial numbers.

 

[superautobacs]

Pined or set screwed will not do just as prone to loose the bit as insert bit holders.

Even at a race I may use one size upwards of a 100 time in one day 4&5mm hex are the work horses .

Do you use a lot of T-handles when working on hex fasteners on the bikes? As for socketry, 1/4" suffices for the majority of work?

I'd like to see some pictures of your travel box as I'm sure you have one or two.

 

[Monte]

@Garage_Mahal: yeah the red Facoms a nice ! i only have 2 of them (pz1,pz2)

They look nice too. Grey should be plastic, black rubber component.

I wish i could get usag and the other stuff here but all the manufacturers , also the spanish ones somehow "make a curve around" germany and not really sell their stuff here (Austria, switzerland, france etc. yes) probably because they already sell Facom/stanley (stanley group) and Bahco/Snap-on (snapon group) here so it basically makes also no sense to enter the market with 3, 4 or 5 different brands. (and there are all the different german companies too)

Like superautobacs said when there is no "stanley" on the handle we could live with these drivers Names like KTC or Bost automatically makes them professionell screwdrivers instead of the DIY stanley brand .

RE: PB swiss: my picks also have no serial number, the awl also not but the center punch has.

 

[Garagero]

This is definitely one of the more exotic collections I have seen! I like the Turnus locking pliers... very cool.

Thanks for sharing!

 

[Monte]

How do you plan to set up those rather deep drawers? The top three must be like 4" or so?

Hey good guess ! The top 3 are 12 cm deep (about 5") the other 2 are 7". The drawers are 49 cm wide (around 19") and 56 cm long (22"). I think i stuff some 1/2" and 1/4" tools in the top drawer , 2nd. drawer wrenches, 3rd pliers, 4th screwdrivers, and 5th other stuff . I already have some plastic inlays, but I`ll check how much custom made foam inlays are. A wholesaler here offers custom made ones for the tools they distribute where you can choose the layout:

 

[superautobacs]

@Monte,

Cool! Show us pics when you get it done....or teaser pics as you wish.

 

[billymade]

Monte, can you give us a review of your new box, more pics and will it be able to hold all your tools?

 

[Monte]

@Monte,

Cool! Show us pics when you get it done....or teaser pics as you wish.

i will ! but can take a while. Have to haul the workbench on monday or tuesday from my home to my garage and will take some preview pics.

Monte, can you give us a review of your new box, more pics and will it be able to hold all your tools?

It`s a little bit bent from what i saw (1 caster bent inwards) and the large door doesn`t close fully, so i have to check that, but i was told before that the bench was used for a couple of month but the customer didn`t pay. But for the money i can`t complain, and everything what is bend you can get straight again.
I already sourced a cabinet for the rest of the tools and i think everything should fit in then. Hopefully. Regular tools in the box and the workbench, special tools in the cabinet was the plan.

By the way... tools... :

purchased some tools for at home so i don`t have to borrow something anymore... Thanks to the yearly promo sales also not too expensive....:

Gedore universal pliers

Gedore roll pouch

Habero/Gedore 500 gram Hammer

Gedore 10" locking pliers

 

[Monte]

This is definitely one of the more exotic collections I have seen! I like the Turnus locking pliers... very cool.

Thanks for sharing!

stay tuned for more exotic stuff