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The sanding blocks are pretty nice....I like the fact that they can be connected to a shop vac to cut down on airborn dust during sanding...
...made in...?
Looking forward to the vise repair!
i have to wait until it gets warmer :)
Oh no - I've just referred to tools that I bought new as 'vintage'! God knows what that makes me!
gramps Dave :p:D maybe buy some brand new tools so you´ll feel younger ;)
Not quite so picky myself (and holland doesn't make many tools)
maybe you can find some NOS dutch made Beargrip drivers...
New Ko-ken.
nice Koken haul ! :rocker:
I had a look through their website and Mega have been manufacturing in Spain since 1940. Their axle stands look nice and chunky.
i just mailed Compac, AC, Weber and Rodcraft and asked where their jack stands are made :) So maybe i´ll have some new stands from the EU soon :)














Piergiacomi pliers

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Hopefully we'll see a bit of honesty from the companies Monte has emailed !

I've got some Compac bogie wheels and stands ordered last week. See this thread for photos

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=288746&highlight=compac&page=2

If the stands turn out NOT to be made in EU I will be annoyed :gunfire:

Apart from computers I have a policy of no Chinese :monkey_po

The thing is some German companies have a habit of telling white lies. For example, if you watch the Fein company video on the tube, one is left with the impression most things are made in-house or at least in Germany. In fact the main gear in some of the angle grinders are Italian sourced powder metal types. Nothing wrong with that, but they are the same ones you find in some cheaper Hitachi and de Walt models. Some of the rear bearings used are from Taiwan.

These stands are 100% British made. Melco 4 ton high-lift.

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Hopefully we'll see a bit of honesty from the companies Monte has emailed !

I've got some Compac bogie wheels and stands ordered last week. See this thread for photos

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=288746&highlight=compac&page=2

If the stands turn out NOT to be made in EU I will be annoyed :gunfire:

Apart from computers I have a policy of no Chinese :monkey_po

The thing is some German companies have a habit of telling white lies. For example, if you watch the Fein company video on the tube, one is left with the impression most things are made in-house or at least in Germany. In fact the main gear in some of the angle grinders are Italian sourced powder metal types. Nothing wrong with that, but they are the same ones you find in some cheaper Hitachi and de Walt models. Some of the rear bearings used are from Taiwan.

These stands are 100% British made. Melco 4 ton high-lift.

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If what you said is true, I agree those videos are definitely deceptive. I've seen the Fein videos that make it look like they engineer and produce everything in house. Not that they say that at any point, so its our own misleading assumption, but of course its disappointing to hear.

How do you know thats where those parts are sourced? Find any makers marks stamped on those pieces?
 

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If what you said is true, I agree those videos are definitely deceptive. I've seen the Fein videos that make it look like they engineer and produce everything in house. Not that they say that at any point, so its our own misleading assumption, but of course its disappointing to hear.

How do you know thats where those parts are sourced? Find any makers marks stamped on those pieces?

Because the crown wheel is marked mG which is mG minigears S.p.A


Look at their client list. They also have a factory in china BTW.

http://hgears.com/product-application-market/power-tools/
 

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Very nice Mr. MoAizo. I need to fill out my Koken etorx set.....your post is right on time.

Koken looking good!
 

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gramps Dave :p:D maybe buy some brand new tools so you´ll feel younger ;)

Great idea Monte! I was thinking along the same lines...

In fact, as I'm working on a lot of small stuff right now I thought I'd order matching Knipex Cobra and Pliers Wrench in 125mm from TBS Aachen...

but that is a DANGEROUS website to look at. I'm up to about €200 already and I havn't looked theough the Hazet special offers yet!
 

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TBS ramped up their postage charges recently so you do need to order quite a bit to make it economic. That's my excuse anyway....

This thread is approaching 8 million hits so I would guess, and they probably don't know it, quite a bit of trade has gone their way from all the tool **** posted here.

Having said that, I guess some people have entirely missed the thread because they equate the thread title 'old world' with vintage tools...
 
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Hopefully we'll see a bit of honesty from the companies Monte has emailed !

I've got some Compac bogie wheels and stands ordered last week. See this thread for photos

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=288746&highlight=compac&page=2

If the stands turn out NOT to be made in EU I will be annoyed :gunfire:
i hope at least the danish companies will tell the truth:) But i have the feeling some of the stands might be from Germany :)
The thing is some German companies have a habit of telling white lies. For example, if you watch the Fein company video on the tube, one is left with the impression most things are made in-house or at least in Germany. In fact the main gear in some of the angle grinders are Italian sourced powder metal types. Nothing wrong with that, but they are the same ones you find in some cheaper Hitachi and de Walt models. Some of the rear bearings used are from Taiwan.
if you look at the cables of the power tools and google where these companies produce it´s obvious.
These stands are 100% British made. Melco 4 ton high-lift.
unfortunately not really available in DE...

If what you said is true, I agree those videos are definitely deceptive. I've seen the Fein videos that make it look like they engineer and produce everything in house. Not that they say that at any point, so its our own misleading assumption, but of course its disappointing to hear. How do you know thats where those parts are sourced? Find any makers marks stamped on those pieces?
Don´t look at the cables, screws, switches, bearings.... :)

Great idea Monte! I was thinking along the same lines...

In fact, as I'm working on a lot of small stuff right now I thought I'd order matching Knipex Cobra and Pliers Wrench in 125mm from TBS Aachen...

but that is a DANGEROUS website to look at. I'm up to about €200 already and I havn't looked theough the Hazet special offers yet!
:) pull the cable out of your internet router :)
cheapest solution :)
 

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Here's a Sherlock Holmes mystery. Sealey 2001HL jack called Premier Viking. As the name suggests a 2 ton high lift jack made in Denmark. ( AC hydraulics model DK20HLQ )

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parts diagram pdf

http://www.tooled-up.com/artwork/ProdPDF/2001HL.PDF


Sealey 2200HL. Says made in China on it. It's almost exactly the same apart from the handle.

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parts diagram pdf

https://www.mackay.co.uk/media/manuals/sealey/2200HL_P.pdf



So, 3 possibilities:

1) Sealey were selling both of these for a while but then dropped all the Viking stuff, perhaps because they got or commissioned, a Chinese made nut and bolt knock-off ?

2)Ac hydraulics get their jacks, wholly or in part from China !

3)Ac licensed their design (unlikely)
 
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****. Pure ****. :wtf: :moon:
Haha you know you love it mate! They weren't cheap but I had some Amazon gift cards, they might not be PB Swiss but are well worth it. I'm very happy with these. Just need to get some JIS and my screwdriver collection is complete.
Got the small set a week ago. Great screwdrivers!

That Said i have a single bahco #2 Phillips that I have owned for about ten years. It was always my go to for Phillips heads. I notice it's still my go to despite the quality and comfort of the weras.

Good quality tool that has no wear (other than the black fading on the head) and very comfy handles.

Out of this series:

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Wondering whether I should buy more to supplement the wera set.

Being bahco I assume they are European made but will check before buying. I guess it's kind of like the American members looking for made in USA tools.

Not quite so picky myself (and holland doesn't make many tools) but I do prefer to buy made in Europe / made in USA. For me it's very much a case of securing jobs in the western world and less reliance on the Far East.

I suppose there are perfectly good well made / quality controlled mad in China / Taiwan tools. But consistency in quality is also and issue and I can simply not be bothered in the hit and miss process of finding good stuff. Especially considering there are great reliable European and US tool makers.


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I feel ya, I love them very well made functional drivers. The basic pack is actually a damn good value. I have a soft spot for European screwdrivers, especially those from German companies. For my precision cutters, I love USA made Tronex over anything else.
 

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Hi!
Could someone recommend shop that sells NWS- pliers and send inside EU?
I tried to look "new" 109-49-180 pliers with black and red handles and all I find is the old type with black and yellow handles.
 
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So, 3 possibilities:

1) Sealey were selling both of these for a while but then dropped all the Viking stuff, perhaps because they got or commissioned, a Chinese made nut and bolt knock-off ?

2)Ac hydraulics get their jacks, wholly or in part from China !

3)Ac licensed their design (unlikely)

which fakes/copies do you prefer ? heat guns, chain saws, pressure washers, swiss army knives....?

http://plagiarius.de/index.php?ID=42&SETSPRACHE=2

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The EU-authorities seized 36 million fakes in 2013 in the EU. Most of them come from China. Most of them are sold through the internet (Ebay).

do you need some Witte copies from china ?:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B014SYJRH0/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Makita fakes:
http://www.makita.de/173.0.html

do you recognize this design ?
http://www.hongyupt.com/proList.asp?Shop_ID=419
(hint: take a look at the Bosch website)

Makita polisher copy:
http://www.hongyupt.com/pic/201482592550.jpg

Hazet fakes:
http://www.hazet.de/de/home/service/pneumatikmaschinen/plagiate/
(with video which shows Sata paint gun fakes too)

original from Greenlee/Klauke:
https://greenlee.ebizcdn.com/0/550/88fcf48a99a38a0ffb078d0d5762dc1b
fake from china:
http://www.zuppertools.com/pro/2011124153622.jpg

colors copied from Klauke:
http://www.zuppertools.com/product_show.asp?id=181
everything else stolen from Klauke too....

Knipex, Wiha, Jokari etc. everything available as copy from china and everything else imaginable like brake discs, watches, clothes and i just heard of copied Harry Potter books....

Hi!
Could someone recommend shop that sells NWS- pliers and send inside EU?
I tried to look "new" 109-49-180 pliers with black and red handles and all I find is the old type with black and yellow handles.
NWS dealers in Finland:
www.kipinamies.com
www.stctools.fi

Hopefully we'll see a bit of honesty from the companies Monte has emailed !
just received a email from Weber. Their axle stands are made in Germany.















some "Lux" knives available @ Obi

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Good post Monte.

Glad my new stands are made of superior steel
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No trips to the hospital or morgue for me.

It's a poor show when a long established tool distributor like Sealey sell the Chinese copy. The jack I showed sell for similar money to my superior Danish Compac jack.

( If you shop around. I got mine from eurocarparts.com. Went to the website from topcashback.com to activate 15% cashback. On checkout at eurocarparts entered 'extra10' in the coupon code box for an additional 10% off. From time to time extra15 or rarely 20 also work !)
 

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Interesting you prefer Tronex, to me they don't feel as good as Lindström, Schmitz, or the knipex.
For me it's the reverse, I found them to be damn nice compared to the others I have tried. I like how they feel in my hands, they fit very precise and they cut damn clean. I found the Lindstrom to be the most disappointing for me, while I found the Schmitz that my buddy has to actually be pretty damn good. I don't if it is the fact that I have big hands (being 6' 4") or what but my two favorite are Tronex and Schmitz.
 
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Interesting you prefer Tronex, to me they don't feel as good as Lindström, Schmitz, or the knipex.
I also prefer Tronex to Lindstrom. Not only do I find they cut better, but they have better ergonomic grips to me as well (FWIW, I'm also 6'-4").

I'm also quite fond of my Swanstrom, Erem, and Lindstrom in that order. Lindstrom is sucking hind *** for me due to it's cutting ability as well as ergonomics (COO = Spain, which aren't in the same league as the older Swedish made). They just flex too much in my hands (thought I was going to break them cutting 26AWG solid copper CAT5E :wtf:).

I don't own any standard profile cutters from Schmitz, but they'd be added to that list if I were in the market.

I like how they feel in my hands, they fit very precise and they cut damn clean. I found the Lindstrom to be the most disappointing for me...
+1 on both counts. :thumbup:

I'd also add Swanstrom to that list, and it's a real toss-up between them and Swanstrom as to where they'd fall in ranking (all personal preference at this point of course, as all 3 cut extremely well).

For those with smaller hands/prefer the smaller style handles, Erem would need to be added to their short list as well IMHO. ;) I find Erem's cutting ability are amazing (right up there with the absolute best), but their ergonomic grips slip around in my hands, so get dinged for that.

Swanstrom is very similar to Tronex in build & quality, and my go-to cutters for field work (got them at the right price = I'm not so concerned with loss or damage). :evil: Seriously, if you get the chance, give them a go (*clicky*).

I've also some Schmitz and Belzer stand-off cutters that are very nice as well (dipped style grips & plastic sleeve respectively). I'm familiar with Schmitz's cutters rebranded as CK Tools, and they are very nice. But I'm not rushing out to buy any as I've enough cutters as it is. :eyecrazy: :spit:
 

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I think tools are like finding the love of your life... It's subjective and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What works for one doesn't for the other.

It's always nice to to see someone else find their match even if that isn't your own match.


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I was not aware Lindström has moved production to Spain. Seems that the Snap-On acquisition has tarnished the Bahco and Lindström name now.
 

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Thanks for the reply. I am aware of those distributors but I asked online shop because it would became cheaper if I fly to Germany and buy the pliers there. :eyecrazy: and there was no new model either.
I usually order everything online because I can't get anything nicer than Bahco from the stores here. There's two stores which sells stahwille and hazet and they are "we just sell for the industry" types of shops and the prices are crazy and there is no new models and if you want exact model they have to order it somewhere.
There's a saying: "In soviet Finland..." and sometimes it's true.
 
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Thanks for the reply. I am aware of those distributors but I asked online shop because it would became cheaper if I fly to Germany and buy the pliers there. :eyecrazy: and there was no new model either.
I usually order everything online because I can't get anything nicer than Bahco from the stores here. There's two stores which sells stahwille and hazet and they are "we just sell for the industry" types of shops and the prices are crazy and there is no new models and if you want exact model they have to order it somewhere.
There's a saying: "In soviet Finland..." and sometimes it's true.

I have some friends in Tampere and Helsinki and I ship tools from Germany to Finland. My online store is not open for EU orders but you can buy from me directly. Just send me an email and you will receive a fair offer and fast shipping.
 

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I was not aware Lindström has moved production to Spain. Seems that the Snap-On acquisition has tarnished the Bahco and Lindström name now.

Don't blame Snap-on. I think it is Sandvik's acquisition that tarnished bahco and Lindstrom. Everything began moving to argentina and elsewhere, SNA just carried over Sandvik's plan. Sandvik acquired Bahco in 1991 and sold it to SNA in 1999. Wrenches, sockets, pliers, files, hammers, screwdrivers all changed their COO in these eight years.
 

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Mmm Yes!

Snap On make nice pliers!

I seem to recall that Snap On bought out the old 'Vacuam Grip' company many years back!

I have a pair of cutters and a pair of needle nose that were the last of the original Vacuam Grip designs, which were still available into the 80's! What tools they are! Nice designed handles. No plastic grips to get messy or damaged in a real workshop. And a level of quality unsurpassed by anything else before or since!

The regular, vinyl grip, designs of the same era were good too. But not as good!

Unfortunately, as time has passed, every redesign sees the designs cheapened. Yes, the 'Talon Grip' are good tools. But the original joint has given way to a much cheaper lap joint, and the finish isn't as good as the traditional patterns, and nothing like the Vac Grips!

When I see the Snap On publicity about the Talon Grips, the phrase "Don't piss in my pocket and tell me it's raining" comes to mind!

If you like the current offerings (and, despite my whinging, they are still a good tool, and I suspect long lasting) you'll be blown away by the vintage stuff!

Oh no - I've just referred to tools that I bought new as 'vintage'! God knows what that makes me!

Hello Dave,

Now that I am looking better at them you are right, the joint is not the same as others like Knipex/ Stahlwille. Yet, they feel good on hand and strong and hopefully they will be alright for the little use they get.

On another note, I would like to buy some good Vaccum Grips. If you have any that you would like to sell I will make the trip to Sussex...from Guildford:D

Thanks for the feedback, I have learnt something again
 

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Hi!
Could someone recommend shop that sells NWS- pliers and send inside EU?
I tried to look "new" 109-49-180 pliers with black and red handles and all I find is the old type with black and yellow handles.

I think that ash from german hand tools ships to most countries, including Finland, I have checked it;)
 

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This tool **** was lurking under the Christmas tree for me this year. Comes with an assortment of 10 common bits in the handle, the other bits I already had. Nice smooth ratchet that can be changed F/R/L one-handed.

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Thanks a lot Maico, you made me buy another tool :lol_hitti
I have changed the two allen bits for a Pz1 and Ph2 bit.

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Got the small set a week ago. Great screwdrivers!

That Said i have a single bahco #2 Phillips that I have owned for about ten years. It was always my go to for Phillips heads. I notice it's still my go to despite the quality and comfort of the weras.

Good quality tool that has no wear (other than the black fading on the head) and very comfy handles.

Out of this series:

84eeb9737279df7c8c6d5ddc657e3b1f.jpg

Wondering whether I should buy more to supplement the wera set.

Being bahco I assume they are European made but will check before buying. I guess it's kind of like the American members looking for made in USA tools.

Not quite so picky myself (and holland doesn't make many tools) but I do prefer to buy made in Europe / made in USA. For me it's very much a case of securing jobs in the western world and less reliance on the Far East.

I suppose there are perfectly good well made / quality controlled mad in China / Taiwan tools. But consistency in quality is also and issue and I can simply not be bothered in the hit and miss process of finding good stuff. Especially considering there are great reliable European and US tool makers.


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I've got the Bahco 600 series screwdrivers and have used and abuse them for some years but they are still in a good condition.

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Hello Dave,

Now that I am looking better at them you are right, the joint is not the same as others like Knipex/ Stahlwille. Yet, they feel good on hand and strong and hopefully they will be alright for the little use they get.

On another note, I would like to buy some good Vaccum Grips. If you have any that you would like to sell I will make the trip to Sussex...from Guildford:D

Thanks for the feedback, I have learnt something again

Stahlwille (VBW) do make box joint pliers and lap joint. For example model 6531 is box joint

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Good post Monte.
Glad my new stands are made of superior steel
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No trips to the hospital or morgue for me.
:D:thumbup:

I think tools are like finding the love of your life... It's subjective and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What works for one doesn't for the other.
It's always nice to to see someone else find their match even if that isn't your own match.
:thumbup:

Thanks for the reply. I am aware of those distributors but I asked online shop because it would became cheaper if I fly to Germany and buy the pliers there. :eyecrazy: and there was no new model either.
I usually order everything online because I can't get anything nicer than Bahco from the stores here. There's two stores which sells stahwille and hazet and they are "we just sell for the industry" types of shops and the prices are crazy and there is no new models and if you want exact model they have to order it somewhere.
There's a saying: "In soviet Finland..." and sometimes it's true.
:) sorry didn´t know that. Maybe email www.wuppertools.de
за здоро́вье! :D
I think that ash from german hand tools ships to most countries, including Finland, I have checked it;)
from Germany to the US, from the US to Finland. Makes sense :D


















added the Wera spoon to the Wera kitchen tools collection:
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New Ko-ken.
All made in Japan.

3/8" torx bit sockets 140mm long

T9 T10 T20 T25 T30

1/2" torx bit sockets 140mm long

T45 T50 T55 T60


Mr MoAiZo,

Wow! Very nice Ko-ken tool purchases! :drool:


Can you please provide me the Ko-ken model numbers of the 3/8" drive 140mm long, Torx bit sockets (T9, T10, T20, T25, T30)?


Can you also please provide me the Ko-ken model numbers of the 1/2" drive 140mm long, Torx bit sockets (T45, T50, T55, T60)?


Thanks,

Dave
 

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Have anyone purchased something from, or dealt with ToolTeam before? They Seem to have better prices and availability than TBS Aachen. They have never been mentioned here on this thread before.

http://www.toolteam.de.com/

I just had a look at the site out of curiosity. Top right corner you can click on the flag and a window will pop up asking if you want to change language, shipping country and currency. Very well laid out actually. The prices seem slightly better than TBS on some bits and slightly worse on others, shipping for me seemed pretty high though.
 

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What are you looking to import?

The guys on the Mafell forum use this place, and they've been very good on price and service.

http://www.elektrowerkzeug-shop.net

Thank you. Sorry, I should have perhaps mentioned that I am looking mainly for Hazet hand tools.

I just had a look at the site out of curiosity. Top right corner you can click on the flag and a window will pop up asking if you want to change language, shipping country and currency. Very well laid out actually. The prices seem slightly better than TBS on some bits and slightly worse on others, shipping for me seemed pretty high though.

Thanks for the feed back.
 

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Have anyone purchased something from, or dealt with ToolTeam before? They Seem to have better prices and availability than TBS Aachen. They have never been mentioned here on this thread before.

http://www.toolteam.de.com/

I've used them a number of times and the shipping is very fast and items well packed.

ToolTeam & TBS Aachen are my first ports of call and you cant go wrong with either online retailers.
 

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I've used them a number of times and the shipping is very fast and items well packed.

ToolTeam & TBS Aachen are my first ports of call and you cant go wrong with either online retailers.

Thanks svranjic, good to hear that. I will be placing an order with them soon.
 
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