Tools from the old world

[Monte]

AEG jigsaw

 

[DS-21]

In the 70`s already ? I thought just a few years ago...


hmm i guess the Dowidat wrenches maybe even the Garant wrench
The garant ones are nice and sleek imho
ps: where did you get the garant wrench from ? They`re only sold through one wholesaler. ps: The Garant wrenches are made by Stahlwille.

Yes, they made adjustables in Enköping and ceased the production there a few years ago... but production of this type of wrenches was moved much earlier:They were made in Bahco's plant in Eskilstuna

So Garant are made by Stahlwille? Are they as good as the Willes or are they some low-buck alternative?
Anyway I found a bunch of Garant wrenches at a flea-market last year

 

[Monte]

thx for the info about Bahco ! Are there any other swedish manufacturers left ?

They just use a different forging die for the wrenches. Ratchets have just a different handle in their "Garant" design, sockets come without knurling. So you can expect the same quality.

what do you pay for a wrench at a flea market in sweden ? 5 kronor ? 10 kronor ?


ps:

Newest addition to the screwdriver collection:

 

[DS-21]

No I don't think so, at least no one who make the kind of tools we are talking about here....
Sounds good about the Garants, but I feel good when using old wrenches from Bahco, Dowidat, Gedore, Hazet, Stahlwille.

10 kronor(~1 eur) usually gets a low-buck **** wrench, but sometimes you can find good stuff for that money.
For NOS Bahcos I usually pay a little more, like 20-30 kronor a piece, except for the smallest sizes. If I'm lucky
There are usually a few "professional" tool sellers there too, they want much more and sell to the late guys.
Is it the same in Germany, or does NOS Stahlwilles and Gedores just lying there for 1 eur?

 

[dede2897234]

My first purchase from Nepros North American website (www.nepros.net) came in today via the mail. I purchased a 3/8" drive universal joint, a Phillips #2 screwdriver, and a flat 5.5mm screwdriver.

As can be seen in the pictures below, the Nepros universal is 11mm shorter than the Craftsman (made by Danaher Tool Group, U.S.A.). The Nepros is 41mm long and the Craftsman is 52mm long. Even though the Nepros has the advantage in close quarter work, in terms of maximum angle flex, the Craftsman has the advantage. The maximum angle flex of the Nepros universal is 30 degrees versus 55 degrees for the Craftsman. The Nepros is manufactured of higher grade materials. The interior ball joint in made of steel for the Nepros versus plastic for the Craftsman. In addition, the Nepros has a plastic ring close to the female drive opening to allow for easy removal with slippery hands.

As for both the Phillips and flat screwdrivers, the part of the shaft closest to the handle has a hexagonal shape for use with a wrench or locking pliers for additional torque. The shaft has a mirror polish finish. The plastic handles are textured (very grippy material) to allow for use with slippery hands. Lastly, the Phillips screwdriver features a metal impact cap and an anti-camout tip (no anti-camout ribs found on the tip).

Lastly, all three items come in compact and informative plastic packaging. Besides the tools and the packaging, I am very impressed with the customer service at KTC. The person who handled my order knows fluent English, processed my order very quickly out of Kyoto, and received my order in 3 days out of Japan via U.S.P.S. International Express Mail service.

Dave

 

[dede2897234]

I attached below a screenshot from the Nepros website that discusses the anti-camout tips on their Phillips and flat screwdrivers.

 

[ATTappman]

Even though the Nepros has the advantage in close quarter work, in terms of maximum angle flex, the Craftsman has the advantage. The maximum angle flex of the Nepros universal is 30 degrees versus 55 degrees for the Craftsman.
Dave

Maybe the limited angle is intentional? I always have trouble with a swivel socket at high angles - it tends to slip off the nut when I apply torque.

I had a similar good experience with Nepros. I definitely will order from them again.

 

[Monte]

No I don't think so, at least no one who make the kind of tools we are talking about here....
Sounds good about the Garants, but I feel good when using old wrenches from Bahco, Dowidat, Gedore, Hazet, Stahlwille.

10 kronor(~1 eur) usually gets a low-buck **** wrench, but sometimes you can find good stuff for that money.
For NOS Bahcos I usually pay a little more, like 20-30 kronor a piece, except for the smallest sizes. If I'm lucky
There are usually a few "professional" tool sellers there too, they want much more and sell to the late guys.
Is it the same in Germany, or does NOS Stahlwilles and Gedores just lying there for 1 eur?

NOS stuff you`ll find seldom, most is used and older , many Gedore and Dowidat wrenches, Wiesemann, Heyco etc. very few Hazet and Wille and a lot of "drop forged" brand and also a lot of older GDR wrenches from "Smalcalda" and "WFR". Ratchets and sockets also very seldom, dunno why ? So i pay around 50 €-cent , 1 € or 1,50 € for those wrenches no matter what brand . But if you look too interested prices could rise

That`s a cool extract of a Hazet catalog ! Do you have more pics ?

 

[Monte]

@dede2897234:

Thanks for the review and the pics !!!

 

[Monte]

Old style spark plug wrench:

Facom universal scissors:

 

[dede2897234]

Maybe the limited angle is intentional? I always have trouble with a swivel socket at high angles - it tends to slip off the nut when I apply torque.

I had a similar good experience with Nepros. I definitely will order from them again.

ATTappman,

Which Nepros hand tools have you purchased from their North American website? Have you used any of the Nepros hand tools in an automotive or home repair situation? If yes, what is your impression of the Nepros hand tool(s) under use? When you mention the tested Nepros hand tool(s), please specify the automotive or home repair situation.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[ATTappman]

ATTappman,

Which Nepros hand tools have you purchased from their North American website? Have you used any of the Nepros hand tools in an automotive or home repair situation? If yes, what is your impression of the Nepros hand tool(s) under use? When you mention the tested Nepros hand tool(s), please specify the automotive or home repair situation.

Thanks,

Dave

12x14mm zero offset box end wrench
3/8" drive ratcher spinner
3/8" drive 10mm shallow socket (just to see what their sockets are like)

I just got them a couple weeks ago so I haven't done anything but put the wrench on a nut and break it loose. I bought the wrench to get to my idler pulley nut - I tried it out and it's long enough. I'll use it to replace the idler pulley, belt tensioner, and belt as soon as the weather cools off. I looked at those serpentine belt tools but didn't really like them. A few months ago I loosened the idler pulley nut to adjust the belt tension using the box end of a regular 14mm combo wrench with a piece of PVC pipe slipped over the open end. It was embarrassing.

This is my first ratchet spinner - what can you say about it other than it has a nice finish and it works. The socket fit on the spinner with absolutely no play in it. I like the socket because it's very short, has a rubber ring on it for gripping, and the finish on the inside of the socket is perfect (not that important I know, but it bugs me when a socket has a good finish on the outside but looks like an old tin can on the inside, like Craftsman). I intend to order some socket sets from them, because they offer sets with only the sizes common to Japanese cars, for reasonable prices.

I liked that they shipped direct from Japan for only $10, and they used a box made out of the thickest cardboard I've ever seen.

 

[dede2897234]

ATTappman, thanks for posting a review of your recently acquired Nepros hand tools.


Monte, you're welcome about the thread review and pictures of my recently purchased Nepros universal joint and 2 screwdrivers.


Dave

 

[Garage_Mahal]

I have to assume this Wurth socket set is a Facom relabel. What do you know of Wurth tools?

 

[Garage_Mahal]

I'm guessing the wing on this Bondhus driver is so you can spin it with an extended finger. Never saw anything like this from a NA company.

 

[Monte]

I have to assume this Wurth socket set is a Facom relabel. What do you know of Wurth tools?

The Wurth stuff usually is top notch supplied by name brand manufacturers. The older socketry seems to be from Facom, I don`t know about the newer ones. The ratchets look different now (Bent beam, different wheel )

 

[dede2897234]

Here's a couple IPS slip-joint, long nose pliers (300mm). They have very little slop in the joints, unlike typical slip-jointed tools out there. The notches on the business end are handy for traditional hose spring clamps.

After "superautobacs" posted pictures of his IPS' HLS-300 and HLB-300 "Hyper Long Pliers" over a month ago, I contacted various distributors in the United States, Japan, Australia, and Hong Kong about selling to me those pliers from the Igarashi Pliers Company. I got rejection after rejection about my purchase inquiry except for 2 companies in Australia. One of the companies is located in Sydney, Australia. It is called "The Wood Works" (www.woodworks.com.au). A customer service representative at "The Wood Works" has a contact in Japan who could sell to us the 2 IPS' "Hyper Long Pliers" models. I received an e-mail from my contact at "The Wood Works" asking me how many of the HLS-300 (straight tips pliers) and HLB-300 (curved tips pliers) pliers he can order from his contact at a Japanese tool distributor. My contact at "The Wood Works" would like to place an initial order of 6 HLS-300's and 6 HLB-300's. I am planning on ordering 1 of each depending on price (I am hoping to pay up to $70 U.S. dollars for the 2 models). The $70 price tag includes shipping. Would anyone of you please state in this forum thread which model(s) of IPS' "Hyper Long" pliers you would like to potentially purchase? In addition, would you please mention the maximum price in U.S. dollars (including shipping) you would pay for the interested IPS pliers? I would like to e-mail my contact at "The Wood Works" on Tuesday (9/8/2009) with the quantity of the "HLB-300" and "HLS-300" pliers he should place with the Japanese hand tool distributor.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[DS-21]

NOS stuff you`ll find seldom, most is used and older , many Gedore and Dowidat wrenches, Wiesemann, Heyco etc. very few Hazet and Wille and a lot of "drop forged" brand and also a lot of older GDR wrenches from "Smalcalda" and "WFR". Ratchets and sockets also very seldom, dunno why ? So i pay around 50 €-cent , 1 € or 1,50 € for those wrenches no matter what brand . But if you look too interested prices could rise

That`s a cool extract of a Hazet catalog ! Do you have more pics ?

Many drop forged brands here too...but Wille & Hazet are about as common here, or uncommon, as Gedore & Dowi. Maybe W & H had better distributors? Other old german brands are scarce. Very seldom you find any snap-on or another old US-brands. New puzzle: Which 14mm is the 50-center?

PS. I asked about ITMA a while ago. By chance yesterday I met an old tool salesman from 1960s-80s, he said he sold a lot of cheap Itma tools to stores...a low-buck brand? To workshops he sold Belzer, they wasn't as expensive as Bahco maybe 75% from what he recall.

 

[superautobacs]

....
Even though the Nepros has the advantage in close quarter work, in terms of maximum angle flex, the Craftsman has the advantage. The maximum angle flex of the Nepros universal is 30 degrees versus 55 degrees for the Craftsman. ....


Dave

Maybe the limited angle is intentional? I always have trouble with a swivel socket at high angles - it tends to slip off the nut when I apply torque.

....

ATTappman is correct; the 18* angle was derived from KTC's research.
They determined that a universal joint sees its most use within a 18* range of motion. By limiting the working degree, the universal joint become user-friendly as it greatly limits the 'fastener slip' that is common on full-range universal joints.

 

[superautobacs]

Do you have more pics of this Anex (?) hammer ?

Yup, that is an Anex hammer.

Here's the anatomy of a PB dead blow.

 

[bchee]

Here's the anatomy of a PB dead blow.

oh that's cool. I thought they had beads inside. Who else uses that design?

 

[superautobacs]

Bchee,
I'm not sure who else does. AFAIK, it's only PB Swiss.

Even the common shot filled ones are not equally made.

 

[DS-21]

five more Hazet hardpaper posters Monte have you searched at your Hazet rep's attics?

 

[Monte]

Many drop forged brands here too...but Wille & Hazet are about as common here, or uncommon, as Gedore & Dowi. Maybe W & H had better distributors? Other old german brands are scarce. Very seldom you find any snap-on or another old US-brands. New puzzle: Which 14mm is the 50-center?

PS. I asked about ITMA a while ago. By chance yesterday I met an old tool salesman from 1960s-80s, he said he sold a lot of cheap Itma tools to stores...a low-buck brand? To workshops he sold Belzer, they wasn't as expensive as Bahco maybe 75% from what he recall.

The 50 cent wrench ? maybe the Bahco I guess they are plentiful ? Or the Peugeot wrench ? Because nobody wants their cars and the wrenches either

US-Brands you`ll also find seldom here. I bought one Husky wrench from the flea market , other than that i only found 2 or 3 other us-tools in the past 4-5 month, probably holiday souvenirs.

In oct./november here will be a fair, Hazet will be there so I`ll ask them if they can tell me something about Itma.
Belzer was always the most expensive brand over here. Here are some pics with prices from a 2004/2005 distributor catalog:

Combination pliers:





Mechanics pliers:





5 pc. screwdriver set:

 

[Monte]

@superautobacs:
welcome back !
Thx for the Anex pics and also the very interesting PB hammer pic !!
Thanks for cut open your hammer Hopefully you can weld it back together

 

[superautobacs]

DS-21,
I like these Hazet illustrations. How long did they keep using illustrations in their catalogs for?

Monte,
Yeah, I had to open er' up so that I can lube it with that red lube of luv.

 

[Monte]

five more Hazet hardpaper posters Monte have you searched at your Hazet rep's attics?

lol
Thanks a lot !! I wish i could find such a catalog here !! Probably everything is already in the trash can..... All shop windows should look like the one in the catalog
ps: From when is the catalog ?
Do you have more pics ?


@superautobacs
yeah the red luv lube also should cushioning the recoil even more because of the hydraulic dampening effect of the oil


PS: The new Hazet sales promo flyer. The covers getting better every time
http://www.hazet.de/fileadmin/media/aktionen/sww2009_2010.pdf



ps: Ko-Ken "Handy-endy" (TM) socket:

 

[dede2897234]

Monte,

Would you be interested in purchasing either of the IPS slip-joint pliers model# HLS-300 or HLB-300 from "The Wood Works" in Sydney, Australia? Please check the top thead posting on this page for the details, including pricing?

Thanks,

Dave

 

[rodm1]

Yup, that is an Anex hammer.

Here's the anatomy of a PB dead blow.

Anyone have the head dimensions and weights of this hammer?

 

[Monte]

Monte,

Would you be interested in purchasing either of the IPS slip-joint pliers model# HLS-300 or HLB-300 from "The Wood Works" in Sydney, Australia? Please check the top thead posting on this page for the details, including pricing?

Thanks,

Dave

Hi Dave,
I already have a couple of long pliers and also the price keep me from buying. But thanks for the offer !

 

[Monte]

Open end wrench from "Stubai" Austria http://www.stubai.com/

Old Hazet wrench:

Old Stahlwille wrench

 

[DS-21]

So I wasn't the only one who like old Hazets It's a 1957 brochure that belongs to a friend and it was sooo nice that I couldn't resist taking a few pics. I'll take more. What a good illustrator they had! No I have not a single clue how long they used illustrations of that quality. Yet. Monte you must ask around at old shops and dealers for the Hazet posters. Don't forget the attics

Old Bahcos are not THAT common. How could Peugeot the big carmaker put their name on such a crappy wrench, it's soft, too.... maybe they think it's good?

So Belzer is the most expensive brand at their homemarket? Has it always been that way? What about Wille, from what I have seen the old Belzer wrenches are not as sleek as Willes/Dowis but perhaps things have changed over the years? I have an old Belzer wrench that says "finished in UK".

 

[Monte]

So I wasn't the only one who like old Hazets It's a 1957 brochure that belongs to a friend and it was sooo nice that I couldn't resist taking a few pics. I'll take more. What a good illustrator they had! No I have not a single clue how long they used illustrations of that quality. Yet. Monte you must ask around at old shops and dealers for the Hazet posters. Don't forget the attics

Old Bahcos are not THAT common. How could Peugeot the big carmaker put their name on such a crappy wrench, it's soft, too.... maybe they think it's good?

So Belzer is the most expensive brand at their homemarket? Has it always been that way? What about Wille, from what I have seen the old Belzer wrenches are not as sleek as Willes/Dowis but perhaps things have changed over the years? I have an old Belzer wrench that says "finished in UK".

I`ll see if i can find older literature somewhere in somebodies attic .
Sometimes i find older tools which are stamped "W. Germany" from Belzer, NOS Dowidat wrenches or old Knipex pliers when they had bare metal handles.
But literature mostly is thrown away.

Peugeot tools are still available today: http://www.peugeot-muller.com
PS: They also think their cars are good

Unfortunately there is no one who i could ask about Belzer. The wrenches i saw where sleek and say "Germany". The Dowidats have a "normal" finish, some older ones which i saw have excessive burrs but they could be even older, the package said "Belzer Dowidat Werkzeug-Union" a time when they belonged to "Saarbergwerke AG" (a mining company) which was owned by the government.

PS: NOS Knipex pliers with old style handle:

 

[-B-]

Prat and Reid on the right hand side and Felo on the left the Felo's are quite different from the head to the overall thickness of the pliers ( sorry that picture did not come out and they are now out of state) The Felo's are a more refined tool, also note the cast in lettering similar but different.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Moose' contribution:

Some Irazola screwdrivers from Spain:

I have a couple of these (well, VDE ones.) at home i bought a few years ago and have been lusting after more ever since. Extremely well made and very ergonomic. This set was 70% off so i couldn't resist. They have a Dual-density handle made from Elastomer and something called Rudolit. confused It's like a hard plastic with rubber grippy bits.

They also make electronics screwdrivers, i have a long flatblade one of these at home. The make some of these for Snap-on (who owns a small stake in Irazola) in red and black. (http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...em_ID=79922&group_ID=672&store=uk&dir=catalog) These for were also on sale, for 2 Euros a piece, so i bought some torx (T6, T7, T8.) and one #1 Philips.

I'm going to look for some more over the next couple days, as they also have a new handle now.

 

[Monte]

Interesting "wave form" design of the joint/adjustment slot of the Felo pliers ! Never saw this design before.

@Moose:
Looks good ! I wish they would be available here. Irazola has a nice selection of different screwdrivers !



Some pics from todays flea market:

Grip-On and rebadged grip-on`s:
The seller said he bought a lot of 7000 (seven thousand) pieces ....

 

[-B-]

Nice hauls Moose and Monte !

Monte I absolutely love the Felos the best they look and feel delicate in the hand but once you use them you understand that they are quite up to the task and beyond.


No 3/8 torque wrenches ...... sad , sad sad .

 

[Monte]

no torque wrenches this time, but plenty of locking pliers .....

ran out of money so i bought only this one:

 

[Monte]

Latest addition to the screwdriver collection:

Hazet "HEXAnamic" screwdriver:

 

[billymade]

Those remind me of Wiha stuff.... I wonder who the OEM for Hazet is or do they made screwdrivers "in house"?