Tools from the old world

[drtyler]

For a little more money, the Gedore 7UR-012 set contains reversible wrenches: http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Gedore/Gedore_Magic_2014/Combination_Wrenches/Gedore_7_UR-012_Combination_ratchet_spanner_set_reversible_12_pcs_8-19_mm_i3747_41994.htm

As T45 mentioned above, the Gedore wrenches are made in Germany, but the box end is very thick.

There have been comments about the Gedore feeling a bit rougher while ratcheting than the Taiwan wrenches, but it may be a matter of the mechanism "breaking" in.

The Facom 467 series is available in 10 piece sets (8-19mm, skips 9 & 15) with a pretty handy storage clip.

If it is solely between the two you linked, I would go with the Stahlwille. The box end is offset, and the mechanism is reversible.

Advice needed! Sorry if this has already been covered, I am looking for opinions on ratcheting end wrench sets. Any experience between these two regarding how fine the teeth are? I like the case that the Gedore comes with, so I am leaning that way, only down side is that they are not reversible...

http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Stahlwille_special_offer/Stahlwille_17/12_Open-Ratch-Set_8-19_mm_i3736_55506.htm

http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Gedore/Gedore_Magic_2014/Combination_Wrenches/Gedore_7_R-012_Combination_ratchet_spanner_set_12_pcs_8-19_mm_i3747_41995.htm

 

[Monte]

Wera blue handle made for the Japanese market only?

They offered Wera "Rocko" drivers a while ago (with diamond tips) click

The guts of Gedore are german engineered and produced, but being a copycat design they are a generation behind. This means they have poor external measurements and tend not to fit. Their 10mm is something like 4-5mm wider than best of class (23 vs 18mm if memory is correct). Keep in mind a good socket is 14mm and a good combo wrench is like 15mm by comparison.

13mm reversible ratcheting wrenches (for example):

Gedore box end width: 25.7mm (click)
Facom box end width: 25.5mm (click)
Stahlwille box end width: 25mm (click)
Gearwrench box end width: 24.99mm (click)
Bahco box end width: 24.7 (click)
King Tony box end width: 24.7mm (click)
Dewalt box end with: 24.61mm (click)
KS-Tools box end width: 24.5mm (click)
Wurth box end width: 24.5mm (click)
Armstrong box end width: 24mm (click)

So it´s not that bad i think.

The Gedore wrenches can also be used as "normal" wrenches. Several times i read here that you can´t use ratcheting wrenches for initial loosening or final tightening of screws. But you can use the Gedore wrenches for that because they´re like regular wrenches.

 

[upgrading]

Blue Wera = very cool.

 

[wvrailroader]

Stahlwille 4891 3K Drall screwdriver set. The handles are very nice and the blades themselves look flawless. My first Stahlwille screwdrivers, but I have a few other tools from them.


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[losvre]

Advice needed! Sorry if this has already been covered, I am looking for opinions on ratcheting end wrench sets. Any experience between these two regarding how fine the teeth are? I like the case that the Gedore comes with, so I am leaning that way, only down side is that they are not reversible...

http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Stahlwille_special_offer/Stahlwille_17/12_Open-Ratch-Set_8-19_mm_i3736_55506.htm

http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Gedore/Gedore_Magic_2014/Combination_Wrenches/Gedore_7_R-012_Combination_ratchet_spanner_set_12_pcs_8-19_mm_i3747_41995.htm

I have had the opportunity to check both Stahlwille and Gedore from close. Stahlwille has one kind of ratcheting wrenches and they feel and sound smooth, made probably in Taiwan.

Gedore has 3 options, offset angle ones with reversible lever and flat ones without reversible lever, open box and double box (4R). The ones without reverse lever are even smoother than Stahlwile (the ones I checked). The ones with lever are a bit rougher with little backdrag though.

Gedore "felt" more pro/ stronger but that is personal feeling. Also, based on several checks the ratcheting mechanism of whrenches but also socket ratchets of all brands varies a lot, i.e. some are smmother/ less backgrag than others. Possible, they all get smoother after some time.

I did not buy either because the shop was closing accounts for the year and did not have time to test them enough.

Also, could not decide between flat and angled ones for when space is tight, what is the preference/ experience here?

 

[upgrading]

Anyone own these ?
http://www.sears.com/knipex-digital...lerId=SEARS&prdNo=48&blockNo=48&blockType=G48

 

[chrissalas1]

New wrenches from Elora

 

[gigamel]

13mm reversible ratcheting wrenches (for example):

Gedore box end width: 25.7mm (click)
Facom box end width: 25.5mm (click)
Stahlwille box end width: 25mm (click)
Gearwrench box end width: 24.99mm (click)
Bahco box end width: 24.7 (click)
King Tony box end width: 24.7mm (click)
Dewalt box end with: 24.61mm (click)
KS-Tools box end width: 24.5mm (click)
Wurth box end width: 24.5mm (click)
Armstrong box end width: 24mm (click)

Snap On SOXRRM13 24.0 mm - the Armstrong looks wider?

 

[chrissalas1]

The wera joker 13mm is 25mm

 

[Cwalter]

I bought Wera KK-40 set and I was very disappointed.

<img border=0 src="http://matchbox.persiangig.com/DSC05228.JPG">


Bits into the holder was very loose! Bit lead, 4 mm easily move left and right Like the pendulum!! It does not feel good to work with.

Not made in Germany+Low manufacturing precision+Expensive = you lost!

 

[Superbec]

did you lock the bit in place ???

 

[Pipe_guy]

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[dede2897234]

I bought Wera KK-40 set and I was very disappointed.

<img border=0 src="http://matchbox.persiangig.com/DSC05228.JPG">


Bits into the holder was very loose! Bit lead, 4 mm easily move left and right Like the pendulum!! It does not feel good to work with.

Not made in Germany+Low manufacturing precision+Expensive = you lost!

Cwalter,

Sorry about your frustration and disappointment with this Wera set. Hopefully, it is a fluke. Thanks for informing the Garage Journal community about it. Did you purchase this tool within the last 30 days to return it to your tool dealer for an exchange? If yes, you can see if another Wera KK-40 set performs as advertised.

If the dealer will not work with you on exchanging for another set or refund your money, contact this Wera International tool dealer in Iran:

Abzarsara Co.
No. 138, Sanai St.
Karimkhanzand
15866-45915 Tehran / Iran

Tel.: +98 (21) 8881 3120
E-Mail: [email protected]
www.abzarsara.com


Dave

 

[upgrading]

Nice looking Swiss rainbow there.

 

[PureLeaf]

Because Ryan won't let user's control their own posts for editing, deleting, etc

 

[Cwalter]

Cwalter,

Sorry about your frustration and disappointment with this Wera set. Hopefully, it is a fluke. Thanks for informing the Garage Journal community about it. Did you purchase this tool within the last 30 days to return it to your tool dealer for an exchange? If yes, you can see if another Wera KK-40 set performs as advertised.


Thank you for your attention Dave.
Today, I replaced it with a Wera Zyclop! Very nice ratchet. Although the locking system does not allow free use of the swivel head.


Superbec :

Yes of course. It holder, had a Locking mechanism that was very interesting and easy.


Wera Zyclop 1/4"
<img border=0 src="http://matchbox.persiangig.com/DSC05229.JPG">

<img border=0 src="http://matchbox.persiangig.com/DSC05230.JPG">

 

[losvre]

 

[losvre]

Just to add that the 1 mm or so in thickness of the Gedore has a big positive effect on the strength of the ratchet and will make all the difference between breaking loose a stubborn bolt or breaking the ratcheting mechanism under high torque.



Same with fine tooth slim ratchets. The more the teeth less is the surface of pressure on them unless you use many points of contact which will make the ratchet strong but with high back drag.



You need to find a good balance between these variables to have a strong and smooth ratcheting.

 

[Monte]

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Taiwan














Atlas winter work boots.

 

[upgrading]

Nice.
I like the reflective strip in it.

 

[losvre]

Taiwan

Hi Monte,

You are right, I have made a small set of these 1/4" only. I use them around home and to carry then in the pocket when away, cycling etc.

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For more serious work I would use the following
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[losvre]

Snap On SOXRRM13 24.0 mm - the Armstrong looks wider?

13mm reversible ratcheting wrenches (for example):

Gedore box end width: 25.7mm (click)
Facom box end width: 25.5mm (click)
Stahlwille box end width: 25mm (click)
Gearwrench box end width: 24.99mm (click)
Bahco box end width: 24.7 (click)
King Tony box end width: 24.7mm (click)
Dewalt box end with: 24.61mm (click)
KS-Tools box end width: 24.5mm (click)
Wurth box end width: 24.5mm (click)
Armstrong box end width: 24mm (click)

So it´s not that bad i think.

The Gedore wrenches can also be used as "normal" wrenches. Several times i read here that you can´t use ratcheting wrenches for initial loosening or final tightening of screws. But you can use the Gedore wrenches for that because they´re like regular wrenches.

Hi Monte et al.,

What do you think about the ratcheting whrenches? Is there a chance to be used often since we have so many ratchet/ sockets?

Also, are the offset one ok in tight places?

Just thinking if someone needs to buy some of these?

Thanks

 

[PavelK313]

Made in Germany

 

[T45]

13mm reversible ratcheting wrenches (for example):

Gedore box end width: 25.7mm (click)
Facom box end width: 25.5mm (click)
Stahlwille box end width: 25mm (click)
Gearwrench box end width: 24.99mm (click)
Bahco box end width: 24.7 (click)
King Tony box end width: 24.7mm (click)
Dewalt box end with: 24.61mm (click)
KS-Tools box end width: 24.5mm (click)
Wurth box end width: 24.5mm (click)
Armstrong box end width: 24mm (click)

So it´s not that bad i think.

The Gedore wrenches can also be used as "normal" wrenches. Several times i read here that you can´t use ratcheting wrenches for initial loosening or final tightening of screws. But you can use the Gedore wrenches for that because they´re like regular wrenches.

If you click on the link, above, and look at 10mm...

Gedore 23mm
King Tony 20mm

That 2-3mm is huge when working on 10mm fasteners. I think using 13mm because it looks better is being misleading.

Gedore 25.7
Snap on 24.0
Armstrong 24.0

Ok this is only 1.7mm, and many others are closer to 25 in this size, including snap-on gen1, making perhaps only 1mm different in the field..

The issue is that recessed and obstructed fasteners go hand in hand with smaller sizes -- they are usually recessed because of space and weight savings for example.

The gedore is particularly out of the ordinary in 10mm-- this very common size that is all over iso/din/jis spec applications.

 

[T45]

Also, on the topic of overbuilt -- one needs to also rememer that gedore tools are soft in terms of HRC--providing one clue why they may be slightly overbuilt -- From the 13mm wrench test:

40 Gedore No7
40 Hazet 603
40 Husky ratcheting combi
39.5 Craftsman USA

Where the stahlwille, snap on, facom, and proxxon were all around 10% hrc harder. Its also true that hazet didn't do so great with hardness in that test (Its true the hazet did pretty well in testing of breaking strength) -- but the tools that were softer were prone to denting on hardened hardware, regardless of absolute strength.

Ok - now back to some awsome tools :

 

[Puch]

I really appreciate all of the very thoughtful responses to my question. The impetus of my future purchase is all about utility, i.e. if only one set of combination wrenches is with you on the job, which one would be the most useful? Sounds like the answer for most people is a set of non ratcheting, low profile combination wrenches. Ok, perfect. Which set is best : ) feel free to provide links!

 

[voodooaw]

Just got my first new tool for 2017. A Vallorbe Glardon Valtitan file. It has a cut 0. Here are some comparison to Sandvik oberg cut 2 and cut 4.
According to their website, this file has a unique surface coating that gives products a surface hardness of 72 HRc. The chromium-plating process also make it stainless and encourage chip removal.

 

[voodooaw]

I bought Wera KK-40 set and I was very disappointed.

<img border=0 src="http://matchbox.persiangig.com/DSC05228.JPG">


Bits into the holder was very loose! Bit lead, 4 mm easily move left and right Like the pendulum!! It does not feel good to work with.

Not made in Germany+Low manufacturing precision+Expensive = you lost!

I have several Wera tools with the Rapidaptor Universal Bit holder, all of them are very loose. This is a design problem, not a manufacturing issue. The holder can hold the C6.3 bits very tight but cannot hold E6.3 bits properly. This is because the rear end of the E6.3 bits are shorter than the C6.3 ones.
My solution is to stick a plastic or card paper disk in the holder. They will hold very tight.

 

[drtyler]

Here is a good start: http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=258941

Hazel 600N and Facom 440 are my favorites for automotive work.

I really appreciate all of the very thoughtful responses to my question. The impetus of my future purchase is all about utility, i.e. if only one set of combination wrenches is with you on the job, which one would be the most useful? Sounds like the answer for most people is a set of non ratcheting, low profile combination wrenches. Ok, perfect. Which set is best : ) feel free to provide links!

 

[losvre]

Also, on the topic of overbuilt -- one needs to also rememer that gedore tools are soft in terms of HRC--providing one clue why they may be slightly overbuilt -- From the 13mm wrench test:

40Gedore No7
40Hazet 603
40Husky ratcheting combi
39.5Craftsman USA

Where the stahlwille, snap on, facom, and proxxon were all around 10% hrc harder. Its also true that hazet didn't do so great with hardness in that test (Its true the hazet did pretty well in testing of breaking strength) -- but the tools that were softer were prone to denting on hardened hardware, regardless of absolute strength.

Ok - now back to some awsome tools :

I also think the Gedore normal wrenches are "softer" that other brands although difficult to prove from one measurement.

Depending where the hardness indentation was taken from and bearing in mind that Gedore uses Nickel vs chrome on the surface it may not be exactly precise.

In addition, the ratcheting part seems to be different metal or hardened/ tempered.

Some more measurements someone?

Also flat or offset version[emoji16] ?

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[losvre]

Just got my first new tool for 2017. A Vallorbe Glardon Valtitan file. It has a cut 0. Here are some comparison to Sandvik oberg cut 2 and cut 4.
According to their website, this file has a unique surface coating that gives products a surface hardness of 72 HRc. The chromium-plating process also make it stainless and encourage chip removal.

Nice Vallorbe , did you get it as as part of set or a one off?

May ask where it was bought from?

Thanks

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[macgee]

Here 's something recently acquired, a 15 inch " Zubi-Ondo " adjustable wrench made in Spain. Adjustments are smooth and easy wth little play. Seems well made but doesn't open as wide as my Proto.

 

[Cwalter]

Cwalter,

Sorry about your frustration and disappointment with this Wera set. Hopefully, it is a fluke. Thanks for informing the Garage Journal community about it. Did you purchase this tool within the last 30 days to return it to your tool dealer for an exchange? If yes, you can see if another Wera KK-40 set performs as advertised.


Dave

I have several Wera tools with the Rapidaptor Universal Bit holder, all of them are very loose. This is a design problem, not a manufacturing issue. The holder can hold the C6.3 bits very tight but cannot hold E6.3 bits properly. This is because the rear end of the E6.3 bits are shorter than the C6.3 ones.
My solution is to stick a plastic or card paper disk in the holder. They will hold very tight.

I think you're right. When I took it to replace, we tested several other K-44 set but they all had the same problem. But short bits were perfectly fixed. The problem is in the long bits. I forget it and I took a Zyclop in his stead.

 

[losvre]

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[Monte]

Hi Monte et al.,

What do you think about the ratcheting whrenches? Is there a chance to be used often since we have so many ratchet/ sockets?

Also, are the offset one ok in tight places?

Just thinking if someone needs to buy some of these?

Thanks

I don´t want to live without ratcheting wrenches anymore

If you click on the link, above, and look at 10mm...

Gedore 23mm
King Tony 20mm

That 2-3mm is huge when working on 10mm fasteners. I think using 13mm because it looks better is being misleading.

Please take another (very) close look at the dimensions (drawing and dimension "b1" ) of the 10mm wrench

(ps: Facom 20,2mm/Stahlwille 21mm/Bahco 20mm/Würth 20mm/Gearwrench 19,81mm/Armstrong 19.77mm/Dewalt 19.84mm)

Also, on the topic of overbuilt -- one needs to also rememer that gedore tools are soft in terms of HRC--providing one clue why they may be slightly overbuilt -- From the 13mm wrench test:

40 Gedore No7
40 Hazet 603
40 Husky ratcheting combi
39.5 Craftsman USA

Where the stahlwille, snap on, facom, and proxxon were all around 10% hrc harder. Its also true that hazet didn't do so great with hardness in that test (Its true the hazet did pretty well in testing of breaking strength) -- but the tools that were softer were prone to denting on hardened hardware, regardless of absolute strength.

Ok - now back to some awsome tools :

If you send me your adress via PM i´ll send you a 13mm Gedore ratcheting wrench for testing

 

[jessysirazvan]

Monte how fit Atlas work boot ,i mean nr.44 is a normal 44,and how find Atlas boot against "Elten boot",are Elten work boot made in germany?

 

[losvre]

Some pics





Longest screwdriver only from Hazet I think





I have already the 603 and I got this one as it is more compact to carry in the box tools, little lighter and although you cannot cut in any angle is easier to use.

 

[Monte]

Monte how fit Atlas work boot ,i mean nr.44 is a normal 44,and how find Atlas boot against "Elten boot",are Elten work boot made in germany?

There are dozens of different shoes from Atlas and Elten so i don´t know if they are all made the same. Every foot is different too. I only can say that i would try the shoes in a store....I usually wear 44 and my work boots are 44 too. The Atlas shoes i have were more comfortable (for me) than Elten.
I dunno if Elten makes all their shoes here...here´s a video which shows some steps of production which (at that time the video was made) happened here:

.
Here´s a longer video:

Other well known brands are Lowa, Otter, Haix, Steitz-Secura and Baltes who produces in Germany or Europe.














New tools from Flex:

new 10,8 volt brushless drills:

new vacuum range:

brushless 18 volt angle grinder:

SDS-Max hammer:

 

[jessysirazvan]

There are dozens of different shoes from Atlas and Elten so i don´t know if they are all made the same. Every foot is different too. I only can say that i would try the shoes in a store....I usually wear 44 and my work boots are 44 too. The Atlas shoes i have were more comfortable (for me) than Elten.
I dunno if Elten makes all their shoes here...here´s a video which shows some steps of production which (at that time the video was made) happened here:

.
Here´s a longer video:

Other well known brands are Lowa, Otter, Haix, Steitz-Secura and Baltes who produces in Germany or Europe.



Thanks Monte i will try to buy it on amazon germany because Atlas boot,Haix or Elten are dificult to find in italy in safety boot store,and on amazon.it are very expensive

 

[T45]

Please take another (very) close look at the dimensions (drawing and dimension "b1" ) of the 10mm wrench

OK, For some reason the table shows the values opposite the picture



Monte appears to be right here--Gedore spec's this at 21,0 not 23,0.