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chrissalas1

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Does the QR mechanism opens?

If yes we can put a bigger bearing ball and drill a bit more of required?
I think is a 'one-piece' mechanism.If not, it is very difficult to drill it to put a slightly bigger ball because it is very hard metal.
 

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I think is a 'one-piece' mechanism.If not, it is very difficult to drill it to put a slightly bigger ball because it is very hard metal.
As long as I can dismantle the mechanism I am sure with some patient it will be done[emoji111].

How do facom ratchets compare between France and Italy made?

Have a good day, ****** freezing in UK

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As long as I can dismantle the mechanism I am sure with some patient it will be done[emoji111].

How do facom ratchets compare between France and Italy made?

Have a good day, ****** freezing in UK

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All facom ratchets i have are Italy made.
A mechanic friend of mine has a facom ratchet made in France and after years of using and abusing it is very very smooth.The smoothest of all ratchets i have seen.
Have a nice day!!!!!!
 

losvre

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All facom ratchets i have are Italy made.
A mechanic friend of mine has a facom ratchet made in France and after years of using and abusing it is very very smooth.The smoothest of all ratchets i have seen.
Have a nice day!!!!!!

Great stuff, I am looking for one made in "France"...
 

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Great stuff, I am looking for one made in "France"...

I've got both a French one from the 1980's and a current Italian one. IMHO the current one is smoother, if that matters ....
I've also got an SJ171 where the QR is fine....maybe I was lucky!
A conventional 3/8 drive ratchet will fit the CDX sockets, but a CDX ratchet won't fit a square drive without an adapter.
 

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I've got both a French one from the 1980's and a current Italian one. IMHO the current one is smoother, if that matters ....
I've also got an SJ171 where the QR is fine....maybe I was lucky!
A conventional 3/8 drive ratchet will fit the CDX sockets, but a CDX ratchet won't fit a square drive without an adapter.
From all info I have gathered and personal experience it seems that all ratchets vary a bit depending on the batch.

You have to be lucky to get the smoothest[emoji6]

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losvre

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Hello all,


What are these pliers used for?

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M6erfan

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A conventional 3/8 drive ratchet will fit the CDX sockets

How is this possible???

I have a CDX set and can confirm that a 3/8 square drive will NOT fit a CDX socket. I believe there is a Facom adapter though for 1/2" drive > CDX sockets...
 

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How is this possible???

I have a CDX set and can confirm that a 3/8 square drive will NOT fit a CDX socket. I believe there is a Facom adapter though for 1/2" drive > CDX sockets...

They do as others have said....you can still use your 3/8" drive torque wrench with the CDX sockets. Facom has discontinued the CDX series and all of the accessories although many dealers still have stock.
 

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As do mine, I'm not sure I would want to use the sockets that way but they go on and the ball detent even works.

Yes, the QR works, and the fit is not great. But I haven't got a long CDX ratchet!:lol:

They do as others have said....you can still use your 3/8" drive torque wrench with the CDX sockets. Facom has discontinued the CDX series and all of the accessories although many dealers still have stock.

Holy shite you're right. I never would've thought...I just tried and low and behold you can fit a CDX socket on a 3/8 drive :shocking:

Dont know if i'd use them like that, but they do fit. :beer:
 
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PB Swiss Special editions! (I have some arriving:D)

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what would be the point of having cdx anything?

Here was an old web page I put together on CDX........see http://www.ultimategarage.com/Facom/cdx.html

The big advantage was 3/8" drive compactness with 1/2" drive strength. The CDX sockets could handle torque to well over 200 ft lbs.

Facom's Ferrari collector set (with the aluminum case) used a CDX ratchet and sockets. I still have a few CDX sets left in the Classic Facom section on my site.........see http://www.ultimategarage.com/shop/index.php?cPath=35_1205
 
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1. The QR does not work! and Monte can confirm this. I am thinking to fit a larger bearing ball if it is possible to dismantle the mechanism.
yes :) The ball has to be larger or stick out more...
Hi Monte
Do you know what happened to 'Walter Tools'? I got a socket set from my parents for my 21st in the 1970's ( I asked for a Hazet one but got this!)
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/album.php?albumid=5466&pictureid=67585

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/album.php?albumid=5466&pictureid=67586

Thanks
Nigel
They´re still around:
http://www.cwalter.de/en













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Nigelhirst

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Thanks Monte!
So they are - and the designs haven't changed in 40 years...
Now, all I have to do is find a supplier so I can replace the 6" extension I lost in 1976!
Nigel
 
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losvre

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Non sloppy 1/4 extension-bits



Could you advise which brand has almost no play when attach extension and bits on the ratchet and when connected together?



How is Stahlwille 412 25 D 6,3 Bit holder

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I have the Facom R.235 and is the worst ever with the bit rattling like hell

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Many thanks!!!
 

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losvre

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Guys I am not sure about Vessel screwdrivers and bits. It seems like they have some good and some not so good it's.



Below is a 1/4 adapter compared to Koken. The Vessel has no ball indent but rather a nail like to hold the socket.



Also not sure why these have a concave part at the end of them since they do not fit to any bit holders I have.

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HAZET 190L-1 (No COO stamped but Made in Germany according to the website) aluminium handle,very well made

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Bolle Pilopsi Pilot II safety goggle very clearly without distortion, the best safety glasses that I had (no COO)

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M6erfan

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Non sloppy 1/4 extension-bits



Could you advise which brand has almost no play when attach extension and bits on the ratchet and when connected together?



How is Stahlwille 412 25 D 6,3 Bit holder


I have the Facom R.235 and is the worst ever with the bit rattling like hell


Many thanks!!!

I dont have that Stahlwille, but I have the Facom, Gedore & VIM bit holders

The Gedore is by far the best out of my bunch, very secure, no play at all. The Facom & VIM are pretty similar, the bits do have some play in the holders but not too bad IMO, both are very usable. I'll add that my Facom example (France) is the most compact out of all 3...

I would like to try the Stahlwille, the spring retention is interesting, but it is expensive over here. $27USD! (Chadstoolbox)
 
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losvre

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I dont have that Stahlwille, but I have the Facom, Gedore & VIM bit holders

The Gedore is by far the best out of my bunch, very secure, no play at all. The Facom & VIM are pretty similar, the bits do have some play in the holders but not too bad IMO, both are very usable. I'll add that my Facom example (France) is the most compact out of all 3...

I would like to try the Stahlwille, the spring retention is interesting, but it is expensive over here. $27USD! (Chadstoolbox)



Damn it is also around 20 bucks over here and not sure when I visit Germany and TBS next in order to check from close.

Don't mind so much the money but if it is not perfect I will get mad.



I am quite sure my Facom is Taiwan so it might as well be a Vim
 
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dutchgray

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Guys I am not sure about Vessel screwdrivers and bits. It seems like they have some good and some not so good it's.



Below is a 1/4 adapter compared to Koken. The Vessel has no ball indent but rather a nail like to hold the socket.



Also not sure why these have a concave part at the end of them since they do not fit to any bit holders I have.

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Japan has a different standard for locking 1/4" hex holders, that will be why they don't fit. The Vessel will hold a socket more securely, no sockets accidentally flung off an impact driver some where you can't reach.
 

superautobacs

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Losvre,

The pin retention on the Vessel is for safety, like dutchgray mentioned. Most manufacturers that produce impact socketry offer them.

I'm surprised that they don't fit your quick-release bit holders. They appear to be the standard 9mm spacement. What are you trying to chuck them onto?
 
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