Tools from the old world

[ultgar]

Non sloppy 1/4 extension-bits

I have the Facom R.235 and is the worst ever with the bit rattling like hell

Go with the R.245...........its a tighter fit.

 

[superautobacs]

Go with the R.245...........its a tighter fit.

So tight that you need pliers to remove the bits?



I have a Ko-ken one that fits with little play, but pull-out strength is low. On the other spectrum, I have a Genius one with a stiffer spring clip that holds the bit in too tight that I need pliers to separate the two or a punch to drift it out.

 

[M6erfan]

Damn it is also around 20 bucks over here and not sure when I visit Germany and TBS next in order to check from close.

Don't mind so much the money but if it is not perfect I will get mad.



I am quite sure my Facom is Taiwan so it might as well be a Vim

Go with the R.245...........its a tighter fit.

FWIW, mine is an R.235. As far as bit holding goes, like I said, its fine. I certainly haven't experienced "rattling around" on mine, but there is a bit of play in it...My Gedore is very secure, yet the bits are easily removed.

On the VIM, it's fine too, but it is relatively large. Compared to the Facom specs Ultgar kindly provided above, the VIM is just shy of 25mm long and about 12.45mm wide...The differences may not seem like much on paper but side by side the VIM looks much larger compared to the Facom/Gedore bit holders

I've never owned or used the Hazet adapter but it looks very similar to the Gedore with the same style of ball retention. http://www.hazet.de/produktkatalog/product_info.php?cPath=2_2210_2210210&products_id=896015443

Of course, as always, I prefer the totally awesome knurling on the Gedore (Hazet offers it too).

BTW, here's a pic of the Ko-ken 2137 bit holder...

 

[losvre]

FWIW, mine is an R.235. As far as bit holding goes, like I said, its fine. I certainly haven't experienced "rattling around" on mine, but there is a bit of play in it...My Gedore is very secure, yet the bits are easily removed.

On the VIM, it's fine too, but it is relatively large. Compared to the Facom specs Ultgar kindly provided above, the VIM is just shy of 25mm long and about 12.45mm wide...The differences may not seem like much on paper but side by side the VIM looks much larger compared to the Facom/Gedore bit holders

I've never owned or used the Hazet adapter but it looks very similar to the Gedore with the same style of ball retention. http://www.hazet.de/produktkatalog/product_info.php?cPath=2_2210_2210210&products_id=896015443

Of course, as always, I prefer the totally awesome knurling on the Gedore (Hazet offers it too).

BTW, here's a pic of the Ko-ken 2137 bit holder...

I have the 3/8 to 1/4 Gedore adaptor and is really tight and at the same time very easy to remove the bit which might be an advantage or not depending how you see it.



I just remembered that once I checked the Hazet 1/4 adaptor which is exactly the same as Gedore in fitment but the bit is held more strongly in place.



I think Hazet is the best fitment of the ones above but not sure how it compares to Stahlwille.



Damn GJ there is always more to look for....

 

[losvre]

Hazet is good.



































Lux plaster mixing cups:

Thanks Monte,



Silly question maybe, did you have a chance to try both Stahlwille and Hazet?

 

[losvre]

Losvre,

The pin retention on the Vessel is for safety, like dutchgray mentioned. Most manufacturers that produce impact socketry offer them.

I'm surprised that they don't fit your quick-release bit holders. They appear to be the standard 9mm spacement. What are you trying to chuck them onto?

Thanks Superautobacs,



I didn't think that these adapters are for impact/ power tools.



I did not phrase it very well; the adapters get into the holder but the fitment is poor with lots of play and easy to come out.

 

[losvre]

Go with the R.245...........its a tighter fit.


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Thanks now we have 3 options Facom vs Hazet vs Stahlwille

 

[dutchgray]

Thanks Superautobacs,



I didn't think that these adapters are for impact/ power tools.



I did not phrase it very well; the adapters get into the holder but the fitment is poor with lots of play and easy to come out.

I have only ever used that type of adaptor with a 1/4" hex impact driver, usually a 3/8" one, great for driving coach screws or bolting rafters, usually have to tighten the last bit by hand. Always used chrome sockets as well, not enough impact to break them.

 

[matt_i]

Below is a 1/4 adapter compared to Koken. The Vessel has no ball indent but rather a nail like to hold the socket.

In my experience the pin-lock is for when you don't want the socket to come off as easily. More of a production-line tool that's dedicated to a single job. The ball-detent adapters are for multiple quick-swaps. The "industrial finish" sockets also usually have a matching hole drilled into the square recess for releasing the pin.

 

[superautobacs]

Thanks Superautobacs,



I didn't think that these adapters are for impact/ power tools.



I did not phrase it very well; the adapters get into the holder but the fitment is poor with lots of play and easy to come out.

Yup, like Dutchgray mentioned, the primary use for this type of adapter is for drill/drivers and impacting drills.

I ask again...what are you chucking those adapters into?





I've never seen this type of bit retention before. Unique to Stahlwille it seems....just like Ko-ken's 1/4" bit holder retention mechanism is unique.

Stahlwille

Given your choice, I would go for the Hazet. I have Ko-ken's bit holder for 5/16" bits which has the same retention method as Hazet's. It is the best type I've used....snug hold of bit with no play, yet still able to pull the bit out with your fingers.

Hazet

Ko-ken

 

[garfieldzzz]

We use the Stahlwille holders at work in combination with PB swiss bits, we have a couple of hundreds in use and so far no complaints. The bitsits pretty snug.

I also have a couple a home but they are nasty expensive.

We have also the some Hazet in 1/4" there.. I would take the Stahlwille.

 

[Blöckw@rt]

Witte VDE skrewdrivers.

 

[losvre]

We use the Stahlwille holders at work in combination with PB swiss bits, we have a couple of hundreds in use and so far no complaints. The bitsits pretty snug.

I also have a couple a home but they are nasty expensive.

We have also the some Hazet in 1/4" there.. I would take the Stahlwille.

Many thanks garfieldzzz,

Does it happen to also have PBswiss magnetic holders? Are the bits also snug in there?

Have a good wkd

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[burnin53]

Inspired by an earlier post in this thread. 2" Koken socket (one of my very few Japanese tools) adapted down to my wera bit ratchet. "For those special situations"

Those thin adapters are very interesting.
What brand would those be?

 

[losvre]

Those thin adapters are very interesting.


What brand would those be?

Stahlwille and Facom also make these. I saw a review somewhere on the net about these being invented long time ago and called star adaptors or something like this.

 

[burnin53]

Stahlwille and Facom also make these. I saw a review somewhere on the net about these being invented long time ago and called star adaptors or something like this.

Thank you,losvre.

Edit:Just found the Facoms online.I think I'll be buying a set of those.
Look a lot more compact than most adapters.

 

[Monte]

Thanks Monte,
Silly question maybe, did you have a chance to try both Stahlwille and Hazet?

Sorry i´ve not yet seen the Stahlwille version in person...













Bürstenmann scrub brush

 

[superautobacs]

Thank you,losvre.

Edit:Just found the Facoms online.I think I'll be buying a set of those.
Look a lot more compact than most adapters.

Just keep in mind that by design, these are for low-torque applications.

 

[burnin53]

Just keep in mind that by design, these are for low-torque applications.

Thank you,super.
I wondered about that.

 

[Superbec]

Here was an old web page I put together on CDX........see http://www.ultimategarage.com/Facom/cdx.html

The big advantage was 3/8" drive compactness with 1/2" drive strength. The CDX sockets could handle torque to well over 200 ft lbs.

Facom's Ferrari collector set (with the aluminum case) used a CDX ratchet and sockets. I still have a few CDX sets left in the Classic Facom section on my site.........see http://www.ultimategarage.com/shop/index.php?cPath=35_1205

thanks

still can't see any point in having those ...maybe like a collector's item

one fun thing about square drive is they are interchangeable

 

[romio_nat]

Sandvik 225 made in sweden

 

[Monte]

another WD-40 clone. W 44 T from Weicon.

 

[zktk01]

Got this from Flea Market Yesterday.

 

[losvre]

Just keep in mind that by design, these are for low-torque applications.

Stahlwile states the torque limits if there is a chance to be exceeded and this instance does not say anything.

Maybe Facom being slimer, however if the ratchet locks into the adaptor and altogether into the socket cannot see what it can go wrong.

Please try and let us know[emoji4]

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[losvre]

Decisions Decisions- which one?

Motorad (porche) or





Flaig?

 

[marlinspike]

I haven't looked here in ages. I saw a discussion on ratcheting wrenches that happened several pages back. I've been looking at these, but it seems like the best ones didn't get mentioned - am I wrong, or at the SK ratcheting wrenches with their very tight angle between clicks the best?

 

[HCNDM]

I haven't looked here in ages. I saw a discussion on ratcheting wrenches that happened several pages back. I've been looking at these, but it seems like the best ones didn't get mentioned - am I wrong, or at the SK ratcheting wrenches with their very tight angle between clicks the best?

SK is pretty difficult to get outside the USA. I also don't know if they are USA made but that might be the reason they were omitted.


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[HCNDM]

Decisions Decisions- which one?

Motorad (porche) or





Flaig?

In good garage journal trend I would say why not both?

But seriously; I think both would be decent quality, but I find the Flaig much prettier. Almost Art Deco. Definitely 30's engineering look!


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[Monte]

Flaig

yes












Burgwächter padlock to lock away tools

 

[losvre]

In good garage journal trend I would say why not both?

But seriously; I think both would be decent quality, but I find the Flaig much prettier. Almost Art Deco. Definitely 30's engineering look!


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Yeah, I think I need two in case I lose one[emoji16]

For that money though I need to get the best for accuracy.

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[marlinspike]

SK is pretty difficult to get outside the USA. I also don't know if they are USA made but that might be the reason they were omitted.


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Checked, they're made in USA. Fair enough, but I think it is safe to say they're the best in the segment, though maybe not since it looks like there is no offset to the ring end.

 

[losvre]

yes












Burgwächter padlock to lock away tools

Thanks Monte,

It is hard to believe that this lock cannot be cut with a good hacksaw.

Hopefully the thiefs in your area do not watch GJ otherwise there would be nothing to stop them from getting hold of Monte's tool box[emoji1]

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[Cwalter]

Old wooden handle screwdrivers just for collecting!

W&F from Germany.
New Britain from new world . Blade = Snap on
Felo from Germany.
Orion(witte) from Germany.

<img border=0 src="http://matchbox.persiangig.com/DSC05334.JPG">

<img border=0 src="http://matchbox.persiangig.com/DSC05335.JPG">

 

[losvre]

Sandvik 225 made in sweden

Where did you buy this one???

 

[Monte]

Thanks Monte,
It is hard to believe that this lock cannot be cut with a good hacksaw.
Hopefully the thiefs in your area do not watch GJ otherwise there would be nothing to stop them from getting hold of Monte's tool box

it´s more like a "anti borrowing device" than theft protection There are numerous saws, angle grinders and pry bars laying around in the shop....









Bosch GBH 2-20 D rotary hammer

 

[ttpete]

it´s more like a "anti borrowing device" than theft protection There are numerous saws, angle grinders and pry bars laying around in the shop....

That's not a particularly secure lock. Even with a hardened shackle.

If you want a very secure one, consider the ABUS 82/90 hidden shackle lock.

 

[marlinspike]

Is Stahlwille not making the short sockets anymore? I own one, but can't find more on the website.

 

[losvre]

Is Stahlwille not making the short sockets anymore? I own one, but can't find more on the website.

What drive size and how short?

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[marlinspike]

What drive size and how short?

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3/8", they were about half the height of a standard socket.

 

[losvre]

http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Stahlwille...lle_3046_32_mm_Special_socket_i3372_48436.htm