Tools from the old world

[superautobacs]

BETA do the same bit holder in 1/4, 3/8 & 1/2" drive (made by Ko-ken)

Yup, Ko-ken does supply Beta with ratchets as well....in exchange for some Italian wrenches.

What Monte and I are referring to is this style of nut-holding socket:

For those that are curious...
It uses a spring clamp instead of Ko-ken's spring wire. Another difference is that this type apparently holds the fastener tighter than the spring wire type. This is acheived through the clamp's ablility to move on the shaft, allowing the clamp to spring more force onto the ball for greater retention.

 

[Monte]

@Monte,

I still like that Rastoflex of yours!
Ok, maybe it's the nut-grip socket then (?)....you know, I recall seeing a picture of that Ko-ken-like socket on a European tool brand...I just can't remember which brand it was. ....it's bugging me now.

Gedore socket...
even the new profile looks good. I think they studied the profile and did their homework. Have you noticed how some brands (cheap ones especially) have very well "sculpted" corners, with sharp edges? I try to stay away from them.

Do you mean "Wurth" ? I once posted a pic here. Here`s the link click They look like the Koken Nut-Grip sockets.
Yeah i once saw one of these sockets with a flat hex and "drilled corners". But the sharp edge will prolly be rounded off soon after using it often if it`s a cheap socket But for me also the old style sockets work...

from the Wurth page:

@UK Steve:
in fact there is a about 0,2mm difference measured from the inside of the square to the outside of the socket. I also measured the pictured noname spline socket which has a difference of about 0,15mm .Do you have koken sockets at home ?? I never feeled that there is something out of round while turning the ratchet/socket !? Time to measure other sockets

Some Beta impact sockets are also from koken. The koken Bitholders are nice, i have a 3/8 to 5/16" and 1/2" to 5/16" (came with the impact driver) bitholder..
perfect fitment..no gap ...

@superautobacs:
yes thats how the Carolus sockets did look too .. (iirc )
What manufacturer is that ?

 

[Monte]

@chreese:
Do you know who is the manufacturer of these "Garant" L-Keys with metal ball retainer ??
"Made in Germany" is on the holder.

Anybody already tried these ratcheting screwdrivers from PB swiss ?? They look good....

 

[superautobacs]

Do you mean "Wurth" ? ...

I don't think it was that...I'm not so sure. ...but that's certainly a Ko-ken Nut-grip socket there.

Some Beta impact sockets are also from koken. The koken Bitholders are nice, i have a 3/8 to 5/16" and 1/2" to 5/16" (came with the impact driver) bitholder..
perfect fitment..no gap ...

I have the 1/2" set and it sure is a nice peice of equipment.


The manufacturer is FPC (Flash Tool Co.)
I forgot....there's also Tone that makes a nut-holding socket:

 

[superautobacs]

Monte,

The holder for those hex keys are definately Wiha, but I'm not sure about the keys themselves as they offer the type with a ring for retaining purposes:

I want to try out the PB rat. driver, but I wish I can try it out in my hands first.

 

[Chreese]

@chreese:
Do you know who is the manufacturer of these "Garant" L-Keys with metal ball retainer ??

Sorry, I don't know. You might like to have a look at Bondhus.

Chreese

 

[Monte]

hey thanks superautobacs !! Then i guess its Wiha. Maybe they have a deal/contract to supply the keys first to Garant and then after a year or so to the public. Wiha also have colored Hex keys like PB but they`re not on their site but i found a PDF with them and also HaFu has coloured hex keys but also not on their site.
Wiha on page 8 click

Hafu:

@chreese:
yeah but i thought a metal ball is better since it is used on ratchets and extensions forever and will not wear. "Anex" from Japan has a similar system like Bondhus while "Asahi" from japan also has a metal ball.

@superautobacs: To try them first would be nice and to feel the ratcheting but i only can get the PB stuff via mailorder

 

[superautobacs]

Monte,

Interesting take on how the OEM might wait for an "official" release under their own name.
Being that it's not Hafu, I checked out AMF and they don't offer anything either. Any other key manufacturers in Europe?

Interesting you brought up Asahi's Daxkey and Catcher wrenches.....I was thinking what if Garant's set was actually a Japanese product.

[EDIT] In the Forum advertisment, there's a Carolus set on sale and there's a Readyflex ratchet in there...are these current production or NOS?

 

[Monte]

Yes i also first thought that they were from Asahi but then i spotted the "made in Germany" on the holder. I don`t know.... Japanese hex keys in an german holder....hmmm i thought..... But you convinced me they`re from Wiha, Wiha holder , Wiha keys. Next time i should check the holders...lazy monte.....
I talked to a sales rep from Kukko (puller manufacturer) they sold a set of windshield wiper pullers exclusively to VW dealerships for a year. Now they are also available to the public. There are also special tools and socket sets made just for VW for example from Hazet and a special set from Stahlwille for aluminium body repair with red handles. Also not available for the public only VW.



edit: yes the carolus stuff is still in production: click a link with 1/4 ratchets as example with prices. The earlier round head ratchets had no plastic ring on top of the disc though.

Carolus at the Gedore site click

 

[Monte]

ok foud the VW tools page again: Link

some examples:

special set from Stahlwille to work on the VW Lupo 3 Liter car
Red handles to use only on aluminium parts:

special screwdriver from Hazet (250mm long) for VW cars with carburetor (idle adjustment)

special punch tool for Alumium cars (Audi A2, A8) from Hazet:

VW special tool for the compressor of the air condition

special socket set for VW by Hazet, also not available normally.

Torx bitholder

special pliers from Stahlwille for the roof of the Audi A2

special pliers from Hazet to remove the ignition lock

special scissors from Löwe for cutting hoses ( air suspension repair VW Tuareg)

Air restraint system pliers (repair of side "Airbags" Audi A4 + A8)

for ear clamps

relay pliers

new developed brake line flare tool for 5,25 mm brake lines

coil compressor from Klann for armored Audi A8 models

special puller from Kukko for the VW Crafter van (transmission repair)

special torque wrench from Carl Walter for cylinder head repair

 

[Monte]

just found the customer magazine from my car parts distributor in the p.o. box
with a advertisement of Kukko T-handle nutdrivers for triangular bolt heads on Bosch diesel pumps

@superautobacs:
hex key manufacturers besides AMF, Wiha, Wera, Hafu, Witte are Wuro/Athlet, USH , Schilt, SKG
Facom makes them and there is a company in Holland but coulnd`t find the site.
I also don`t know if they are all real manufacturers or just rebadged. A lot of the AMF stuff for example looks like it`s from Hafu: click screwdrivers and T-handles e.g.

The folding "Foldex" hex keys from Hafu you find also in the USH catalog and from AMF for example, the T-handle you`ll also see in the USH catalog.
The pictured blue box is patented by Hafu (the white hex is the button to open it) so you can identify even more Hafu customers like "Format", "Promat" and "Holex. The green "Fablex" holder you`ll also see often.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Mmmm... VW tools...

 

[UK Steve]

@Monte:
in fact there is a about 0,2mm difference measured from the inside of the square to the outside of the socket. I also measured the pictured noname spline socket which has a difference of about 0,15mm .Do you have koken sockets at home ?? I never feeled that there is something out of round while turning the ratchet/socket !? Time to measure other sockets

I can hardly see the keyboard never mind 0.2mm, I think it's maybe an optical ollusion with the hex & the sq drive in view.
I do have Ko-ken sockets at home as I work from home.....


Ko-ken have dropped the Italian wrenches from the catalogue. I have some somewhere and they are terrible.

If you go through the Beta & Facom catalogue you would be amazed what Ko-ken produce for them.

 

[Monte]

Mmmm... VW tools...

only the tools or also the cars ?

If you go through the Beta & Facom catalogue you would be amazed what Ko-ken produce for them.

That what was mentioned above and what else ?? impact sockets .....??




Grip-on plugweld pliers

 

[Monte]

I thought Hazet makes nice "Bowtie" style wrenches until i found this one from KBS kobayashi.

The japanese chevy bowtie wrench:

 

[superautobacs]

Chevy Bowtie wrench ...

How do such rare(?) wrenches end up in Germany? Flea market find?

 

[MD11]

Monte, lots of nice stuff... I love my German made tools as much as my American ones.. Swiss, UK, all of them... So long as it's not China!

I'll post pics of my extensive Knipex and Wiha collection one of these days... once I get all my tools re-assembled after my theft.

 

[Monte]

Chevy Bowtie wrench ...

How do such rare(?) wrenches end up in Germany? Flea market find?

i would be lucky to find such a wrench here but the pic is stolen from the japanese blog from the dude with the 1000 adjustable wrenches...

Monte, lots of nice stuff... I love my German made tools as much as my American ones.. Swiss, UK, all of them... So long as it's not China!

I'll post pics of my extensive Knipex and Wiha collection one of these days... once I get all my tools re-assembled after my theft.

yes pls post some pics !!



The stubbiest stubby bitholder i found:

some lights:

 

[american lockpicker]

Those lights(torches) are USA made, it looks like 2 Underwater Kenetics and a Pelican(named Peli in Europe due to the name Pelican being used by another company.)

 

[Monte]

yeah i know , i just wanted to post them
I also own a set of SAE craftsman wrenches but i don`t want to post them

 

[superautobacs]

i would be lucky to find such a wrench here but the pic is stolen from the japanese blog from the dude with the 1000 adjustable wrenches...

Ahhh, that's the source, eh.
That guy is nuts, btw. .... in the good way.

And cute little Belzer there. It'll work as a nice shift knob, too.

 

[Monte]

lol yes !

hm shift knob...goood idea... But i think a hard handle snap on screwdriver handle will fit better to my monte carlo...


ps:
Does somebody speak french here ? if so maybe you could translate this:
(something about Facom employees demonstrating... only 41 seconds)

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[superautobacs]

IIRC, OKU already implemented a S-O stubby screwdriver handle onto one of his farm implements. Oh, but it wasn't a hard handle.

Hrmm, must be a union workers strike...i think i heard "benefits". They probably hate Stanley's capitalistic, greedy chairpersons.

 

[Monte]

i thought every canadian can speak french ?

yes the "oku" dude is krazy .... it looks like he is buying every adjustable wrench which is available on the planet and lots of other stuff too Or maybe he just has 20 employees

a link to a japanese blog with loads of interesting tools: click

another one: click (a lot of snapon "conversions" and other interesting stuff)

 

[superautobacs]

With my pseudo French accent, "No" is my answer.
Maybe Garfunkle can help us out with the Facom news story.

I'm thinking he's the premiere collector for adj. wrenches in the world!
I posted this before on GJ:

I think he's added more into his collection since he posted that.

 

[Monte]

With my pseudo French accent, "No" is my answer.

merde !

I think he's added more into his collection since he posted that.

yes like the wood handle ones posted above and a bunch of others (snap-on, Top,Proto, Mac,KRC,supertool, Sanki,Tone, KTC) since he posted that photo from you above.

2 which he don`t have yet:

 

[the spyder]

How much is one of those 10" Facoms?

I drove to Lowes today after reading they started carrying Knipex. I now must have a full set of their tools

 

[Vinko]

Does somebody speak french here ? if so maybe you could translate this:
(something about Facom employees demonstrating... only 41 seconds)

The sign says something like (very roughly): Capitalism benefits at the expense of the workers. There's a play on words in the sign I think. Also Ouvriers has some sort of sense in French that it doesn't in English (or American English). Like a skilled worker I believe. I could be wrong

I couldn't make out 100% what the guy was saying. A summary: and not a literal one: That Stanley/Facom has money but not for the workers. We know they have money because when the partnership of Stanley/Facom provided extra infusions of capital. But we ain't see it.

If I wasn't so tired and listened to it 25 times, I might understand figure it out

I hope a Frenchman or one of our Canadian cousins can correct me

 

[Monte]

How much is one of those 10" Facoms?

I drove to Lowes today after reading they started carrying Knipex. I now must have a full set of their tools

In the UK around 17-20 pounds. In the US i only found these: click . This older french one looks interesting: click
Maybe he can get also the newer style, he is member here too.



@vinko:
thanks for the translation !! I only can understand Facom, Stanley, continue benefits , continue investment and million dollars (????)
Is french now the 2nd language in california ?? I thought spanish ??

 

[superautobacs]

From looking at that page on Ultimate's website, I noticed that there's a chrome polish finish and an electro-chrome finish. What's the difference? I assume electro-chrome means the traditional electroplating process. What's the chrome polish finish then?

 

[Monte]

hm good question ?? on the comparison pic click the left one looks like the head is polished and then plated. The right one seems to be just grinded and then plated. Maybe Mr. D'Gerolamo accidentally find this thread..... Or the easier solution you buy both and take a look at them and then send me the one which you don`t like


i like these ones

 

[Moose-LandTran]

only the tools or also the cars ?

Does this answer your qestion?

some lights:

My dad had a Peli light like that when i was a kid, it was awesome. Bright yellow with a clear lens/head. I should buy one, have been meaning to for years.

 

[superautobacs]

ErgoTop 771 --that's an interesting one.

Found a video demonstration of a Bahco retractable knife with a fancy feature. Cool, but I don't fancy it.

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[american lockpicker]

I kinda want one.

 

[Vinko]

I kinda want one.

I remember seeing it on Harry Epstein's site. It's $10 or at least a model that looks similar. You can also get the blades there. Made in Sweden, from Swedish steel I hope

http://www.harryepstein.com/snaponbahcowilliams.htm

 

[the spyder]

In the UK around 17-20 pounds. In the US i only found these: click . This older french one looks interesting: click
Maybe he can get also the newer style, he is member here too.



@vinko:
thanks for the translation !! I only can understand Facom, Stanley, continue benefits , continue investment and million dollars (????)
Is french now the 2nd language in california ?? I thought spanish ??

I will have to find out. That has to be one of the nicest adjustable wrenches I have ever seen.

 

[american lockpicker]

I remember seeing it on Harry Epstein's site. It's $10 or at least a model that looks similar. You can also get the blades there. Made in Sweden, from Swedish steel I hope

http://www.harryepstein.com/snaponbahcowilliams.htm

Thanks for the link.

 

[Hawk321]

Seems like a cool winspector tool?! Is that japanese?

 

[superautobacs]

Indeed, that's of Japanese origin. I think I may have seen that when I was a kid. There were lots of similar superaction hero programs just like that.

 

[Monte]

Does this answer your qestion?

yes ! Looks like a VW dealership !!


My dad had a Peli light like that when i was a kid, it was awesome. Bright yellow with a clear lens/head. I should buy one, have been meaning to for years.

Yes the Peli is nice. I like it better than the UK one.

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The Bahco knife looks like a neat idea ? for $ 10.- i would buy one. Here they want 15.- € (22,50 $)
But is it really from sweden ? The Epstein website say yes but those gadget things usually are from Taiwan.


@hawk:
the winspector dudes look like the Power Rangers... Your favorite TV programme ??


ps: here some finger tip ratchets for you all